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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #425 on: 14/04/2008 02:03:37 »
If it has to do with hormones and glands, I suppose an endocrinologist  would be the right type of consultant to get. Diabetes is the main type of disorder they usually deal with, but I firmly believe POIS is almost the same reaction to sex as diabetes is to sugar. Both also are closely related to cortisol hormone. Please read this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocrinologist [nofollow]

BTW I am also in, but remember I am in South Africa, our currency is very weak against the US Dollar (8/1), so my contribution will not be so high.

But I suppose our Endocrinologists will also be the cheapest to hire? I'll find out what they charge for research....
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #426 on: 14/04/2008 04:47:06 »
Yes, I agree that endicrinology seems like the closest field to POIS-issues.  However, I went to see an endocrinologist recently, who said that given his training, he had no ideas and no suggestions for me.  That was discouraging, but I suppose that other endocrinologists could have more insight.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #427 on: 14/04/2008 07:25:19 »
Can anyone recommend a top endocrinologist?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #428 on: 14/04/2008 22:57:51 »
Jim, I would not say my experience with Relora was bad, only that it affected me a lot. My insomnia is very sensitive to substances, even a wee bit of alcohol will throw me off. If anything my experience is positive in that it demonstrates that it actually has a real effect, perhaps not beneficial for POIS, that's undetermined as of yet.

Demografx I do not think it is profitable to invest hiring a consultant. Many years of strange looks from doctors and test after test unable to find a problem or at least demonstrate it...I have given up spending time or money on it, other than perhaps the occasional supplement. I do much better to just avoid it. I think any consultant would be very expensive and I am very doubtful of any success. Any researcher would need data to analyze. Perhaps someone with an in depth knowledge of human physiology could listen to our experiences and give some suggestions, but I am doubtful that it would be worthwile.


 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #429 on: 15/04/2008 04:29:27 »
My experience with doctors have been the same-even my endocrinologist who just looked at me funny.  Suffice it to say, they've given up because they simply can't find anything wrong no matter how many tests they run.

Though I'd like to mention a method that has greatly helped reduce the symptoms in intensity and duration; I get better in a matter of a single day as opposed to an entire week.  The way it works is a little weird and people tend to ignore it whenever I try to discuss it.  Basically it is prolonged masturbation without ejaculation.  I came across it in my own research about POIS - apparently its an ancient Chinese tradition of Taoism where they believed prolonged masturbation without ejaculation enhances wellbeing and health.  To my surprise, it does have a noticeable affect on me...its not perfect, but its better than nothing.

There's also some scientific evidence that seems to support this found here if anyone is interested:
http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/cgi/reprint/177/1/57

It seems just before orgasm, levels of epinephrine and norepinephrine reach a peak.  I think its possible that if ejaculation is avoided, no orgasm occurs and these chemicals are not allowed to drop from their peaks.  Likewise, levels of dopamine would also stay at its peak that would inhibit any excess prolactin present (which in my case is unusually high, which is said to inhibit dopamine).  I think its possible that its the replenishment of dopamine that restores concentration and the feeling of well being.  Of course anything could be happening.  One thing I know for sure is that this is probably the most direct method I know of how to change the levels of chemicals in our body, and somehow these changes trigger these levels to reset at a quicker pace than having to wait for an entire week.  This method has worked better than any of the medications and supplements I have tried...or should I say endured...

 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #430 on: 15/04/2008 14:35:45 »
Pyropeach,

That method sounds interesting--when did you first discover it?  Do you find that it makes a difference whether the masturbation-without-orgasm session goes on for an extended period of time, repeatedly getting close to orgasm and then stopping, or does it work just as well if you simply get close to orgasm once and then stop?

Also, how soon after you have the POIS-inducing orgasm do you employ this 'reset' method?  Right away? Within a couple hours? Or the next day?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #431 on: 15/04/2008 17:47:44 »
Discovered it about 3 years ago, but only started trying it in the recent year.  At least for me, the method works pretty well by getting close to orgasm only once and then stopping.  Repeated this method an additional time did not seem to have any additional affect that felt significant.  I've been able to successfully use this method in as little as within a few hours after getting the symptoms.  In a matter of minutes, the symptoms start to diminish and by the next day the symptoms are still there, but to the point where they're almost gone and I can get on with the day.  It sounds pretty good, but I'm not jumping for joy because it is a very inconvenient and frustrating thing to do,

My main worry about this is it being a placebo affect, which I doubt, but still consider it a possibility.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #432 on: 15/04/2008 21:48:00 »
pyropeach

thanks for sharing, as it explains also why smoking a cigarette after sex also helps a bit... nicotine elevates epinephrine and norepinephrine levels.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #433 on: 16/04/2008 02:39:47 »
Can anyone recommend a top endocrinologist?

I dont think just an endocrinologist will be able to shed any more light. A research endocrinologist tied to a university would be the best way forward. Ill leave it up to you guys to find and presuade one.
 

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« Reply #434 on: 16/04/2008 02:43:22 »
Yes, I agree with Bizzy that a research endocrinologist, rather than simply a clinical endocrinologist, would be more likely to be of help.  It seems that many clinical endocrinologists are only trained to diagnose things that are already 'in the books.'
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #435 on: 16/04/2008 11:49:58 »
exactly Guthrie! our doctors always refer to the books, and then find nothing related, therefor the reason why we are all monitoring this site.... waiting for a solution. it should be somebody thats more than a doctor. somebody that is a professor in endocrinology at a university. and I think he would not even charge us if it will make him famous!

I think we can contact the University of Oxford. Below is the link:

http://www.medsci.ox.ac.uk/gazette/previousissues/54vol2/Part19 [nofollow]
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #436 on: 16/04/2008 19:42:49 »
POIS FORUM ADVISOR - NEXT STEP

hk1979, excellent point about "POIS fame" AND "...more than a doctor needed"! - now, would someone please volunteer to initiate the contact with Oxford? (I'm a musician, and there are people here better qualified to write to a scientist than me, plus I have a bias with 75% POIS cure with Levitra). It should be mentioned that there is only one paper out on POIS, but that this is a critical cure mission, surely to be covered by the media, as was Dr Waldinger's POIS study/article). If Oxford doesn't cooperate there are many other prospects, and the same letter can be used.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #437 on: 16/04/2008 20:48:58 »
For John21 and those of you who mentioned "blank stares" from doctors, I've been there!!! But maybe, just MAYBE, the 21 pages on this Forum reveal that POIS is............R E A L !!!!!!!! We also have some success to show, e.g., Levitra. But now we need to find out (just as an example here) what makes Levitra work for POIS, and how can everyone benefit whether they have ED or not?

I'm sure that if today we approached those same doctors who gave us blank stares in the past, and SHOWED them the 21 Pages here, that some of the doctors (not all, because after all - -  lazy is lazy :)) might sit up and take notice. And then actually DO something about our POIS ;D
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #438 on: 17/04/2008 11:12:16 »
I would collect and put in this forum keyboards like Bayer, Novartis, Merck, Pfizer, Roche, Glaxo, Quintiles and POIS.
The target is to attract people and scientists to get here and learn about this uncovered illness that affect many men in this world.
Why not all of us write an request to  clinical.info@quintiles.com requiring an investigation about POIS as well?

Hi Solution,


May I ask if you are in any way affiliated with Quintiles ?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #439 on: 17/04/2008 22:58:05 »
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... is well known that too much masturbation sucked the life force of a man.

B_Jim: Be careful with a such statement. We have a problem after ejaculation, but that's not a general rule. We can't afford to lose the little credibility that we have.

It may be possible that the phenomenon is more universal, but that only certain people are more affected in such a direct, extreme manner. I have wondered if many common everyday mental disturbances such as depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, emotional disturbances etc were partially born of "sex abuse", the product of lust in adolescence.

Unmentionable, unrecognized... unsolvable.

« Last Edit: 21/04/2008 10:47:56 by John21 »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #440 on: 18/04/2008 14:56:37 »
or what is the consequences of having TOO MUCH ORGASMS over a spread of 20 years?...
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #441 on: 18/04/2008 19:33:56 »
B_Jim, an Oriental acupuncturist/herbal medicine practitioner years ago - when I trusted her, then told her about my POIS - was _convinced_ that my POIS was because I had (too) small adrenal glands.
 

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« Reply #442 on: 18/04/2008 19:37:29 »
Yes I am the owner..  just kidding...

I'm not sure if you're kidding about commercialism or not, but one serious point I have: the pharmaceutical giants have no interest in anything this small of a population. My guess is that POIS suffering is limited to a tiny, tiny percentage. Big Pharma only makes money on problems affecting large segments of the population.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #443 on: 18/04/2008 20:04:16 »
Just out of curiosity, how many of us are there on this forum with POIS?

B_Jim, an Oriental acupuncturist/herbal medicine practitioner years ago - when I trusted her, then told her about my POIS - was _convinced_ that my POIS was because I had (too) small adrenal glands.

The last doctor I saw also thought the problems were in the adrenals.  However, they found no abnormalities from blood and urine tests.  I used to use DHEA thinking it would help with adrenal fatigue, but it always quickly wore off probably because it was acting more as neuralsteroid, and only masking the symptoms.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #444 on: 19/04/2008 17:24:26 »
It may be possible that the phenomenon is more universal, but that only certain people are more affected in such a direct, extreme manner. I have wondered if many common everyday mental disturbances such as depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, emotional disturbances etc were partially born of "sex abuse", the product of lust in adolescence.

Unmentionable, unrecognized... unsolvable. Unthinkable in today's world.


I think you make a valid point about "sex abuse", too much sex. I think it is true for some people and for people who mix sex with drugs such as cocaine. But I can remember feeling confused, depressed and depersonalized from my very first few orgasms, "sex abuse" had not taken place yet. So I know POIS is not exclusively tied to "sex abuse", its a lot more complex.
As for other mental conditions becomming worse after orgasm, im sure that happens for some people. Why that happens is not known. The condition or underlying mechanism has not been studied.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #445 on: 21/04/2008 04:09:46 »
SUGAR

I must admit that I'm guilty of excessive sugar intake for most of my life. Wonder if that's why I have POIS?? If so, I wonder what connection Levitra has...
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #446 on: 21/04/2008 15:54:57 »
Me too. I even used to prepare and enjoy a drink made only with water sugar and ice. Eating bread with butter and sugar I ve used to do so when younger.
 

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« Reply #447 on: 22/04/2008 01:37:56 »
Heres some science that I worked out that may help explain why too much sugar is bad for the mind.
High sugar makes your insulin levels go up, which makes your growth hormone levels go down. Lower growth hormone levels is bad news because it allows for relatively higher CRF levels within the hypothalamus. Higher CRF levels at the hypothalamus maybe the cause of some mental illness.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #448 on: 22/04/2008 05:36:41 »
Well, when Levitra works it's 75% magic for my POIS, but I continue my excess with sugar (no, I'm not proud of it). I wonder if I quit sugar and continue with Levitra if it would be a 100% cure? But sugar is soooooooooooooooo hard for me to quit!!! I'll just wait for B_Jim's experiment! ;D
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #449 on: 22/04/2008 14:46:40 »
I love sugar, it makes me feel better. Every cell in your body, including your brain cells, need sugar to function normally. I just dont think low to moderate amount of sugar is bad for you. I dont think you will achieve anything from quitting sugar.
 

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