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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4350 on: 19/05/2009 06:53:50 »

A wikipedia user has changed the article. Here is the original list of symptoms:

Of the known cases:
 
   
   

Thank you CP for the list.
Someone changed all the text!
For me the new one is not very good, lack of details..

This is not true at all : "The phenomenon was first described in 2002.[2]"
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4351 on: 19/05/2009 07:51:38 »

A wikipedia user has changed the article. Here is the original list of symptoms:

Of the known cases:
 
   
   

Thank you CP for the list.
Someone changed all the text!
For me the new one is not very good, lack of details..

This is not true at all : "The phenomenon was first described in 2002.[2]"


Yes.. I disagree with the person's editorial ideas; I don't think that one should follow protocol exactly, if it sacrifices the quality and accuracy of an article.  I'll probably leave the article as-is for awhile though, since there was a deletion debate and the result was keep.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4352 on: 19/05/2009 10:21:12 »
Search "garlic testosterone", and there's some interesting results.

I had emission today and just ate some garlic cloves. I feel good a bit after eating, hope it continues after sleeping. Apparently the garlic is a natural supplier of testosterone(?) Anyone else besides the couple who already have tried garlic? I'd like to see if everyone who posts here gets good results from garlic.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4353 on: 19/05/2009 10:32:30 »
FYI, you can search the web pages of other languages by using Google Translate. My IE8 browser has it accessable under the Command Bar, but you can also go here and paste in a URL. It's pretty cool.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4354 on: 19/05/2009 14:31:28 »
Description du P.O.I.S :

parmi les cas connus :

  • Plus de 97% sont des hommes.
  • Une majorité rapporte seulement des symptômes cognitifs bien que des symptômes physiques (ressemblant à ceux de la grippe) soient souvent mentionnés.
  • Les symptômes ne dépendent pas de la manière utilisée pour parvenir à l'orgasme.
  • Les symptômes apparaissent habituellement dans les minutes qui suivent l'orgasme.
  • En moyenne les symptômes durent de 1 à 3 jours.
  • Les symptômes sont présents de 20 à 70% du temps durant un mois donné, selon un certain nombre de variables.

Symptômes les plus fréquents :

  • Anxiété
  • Difficulté à trouver ses mots
  • Difficulté de communication (possiblement aphasie temporaire)
  • Etat de manque pour le soulagement suivant l'orgasme
  • Fatigue ou épuisement
  • Irritabilité
  • Lenteur d'esprit
  • Manque de spontanéité ou de créativité
  • Perte de la capacité à se concentrer (déficit d'attention)
  • Phobie sociale
  • Problème de mémoire à court terme
  • Troubles cognitifs (brouillard mental)

La plupart des cas de POIS mentionnent presque tous les symptômes ci-dessus, qu'ils soient ou non atteints des symptômes décrits plus bas. Une exception pour la fatigue ou l'épuisement: un grand nombre de cas de POIS en souffrent mais pour d'autres les symptômes ci-dessus sont rapportés sans mention de fatigue, ou encore la fatigue peut être présente sans les symptômes mentionnés ci-dessus.

Autres symptômes rapportés:

  • Aphtes buccaux
  • Aversion pour la lumière
  • Aversion pour le froid ou le chaud
  • Chaleur dans le bout des doigts
  • Dépression
  • Déréalisation
  • Diarrhée
  • Hypertension
  • Hypoglycémie
  • Insomnie
  • Maux de tête
  • Pâleur
  • Palpitations
  • Problèmes de peau
  • Pupilles dilatées
  • Spasmes musculaires
  • Symptômes grippaux
  • Tremblements
  • Troubles de l'appétit
  • Troubles visuels

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4355 on: 19/05/2009 14:38:53 »
Thanks, Martin! for the translation.

And all excellent points in your WHO post. Yes, I think "severity" absolutely applies.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4356 on: 19/05/2009 14:41:46 »
John, cool graphics!

Maybe we can get ideas for POIS treatment from other countries? We're not necessarily more advanced or knowledgeable!

Asian countries have certainly been dealing with it much longer.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4357 on: 19/05/2009 15:36:39 »
Googling fatigue après orgasme now shows us as the #1 search result.

An interesting one, result #2 is from Sexologie Magazine, which looks like a man, late 30's, who is reporting POIS (intense fatigue après orgasme), citing Waldinger. What follows is a "Dear Abby" type of reply:

Here is the Yahoo Babel Fish translation of the above post (keep in mind automated translations are imprecise, only to be used as a very rough guide)
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sexologie-magazine.com%2Fcorps%2FquestionsCorps%2FCorpsQR25.html&lp=fr_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

The original post above in French:
http://www.sexologie-magazine.com/corps/questionsCorps/CorpsQR25.html

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4358 on: 19/05/2009 17:43:29 »
Great work Martin!!!

We could help make POIS more known by linking our Wikipedia article into other relevant Wiki articles, and posting re-directs for synonyms, and including it in different categories (e.g. medical health) etc. (As it is, to find the article, you basically have to type 'post orgasmic illness syndrome' into Wiki search.. it seems unlikely many people will do this).  I can help with these updates, but I probably won't have too much time this week or next.

Then we could translate the Wiki article and post it in the different language sections of the site.
 

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« Reply #4359 on: 19/05/2009 18:11:20 »
Thanks, Counterpoints, your continuing work is really appreciated!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4360 on: 19/05/2009 18:15:20 »

I can try to do a draft next week-end, if you agree Pronobis, it's your idea :)

Then I hope you'll arrange this in correct english Demo.


Pronobis, is that ok with you that Martin drafts a letter to WHO? (And I will help edit)
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4361 on: 19/05/2009 18:38:00 »
I'll also volunteer to help edit.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4362 on: 19/05/2009 19:50:39 »

I can try to do a draft next week-end, if you agree Pronobis, it's your idea :)

Then I hope you'll arrange this in correct english Demo.


Pronobis, is that ok with you that Martin drafts a letter to WHO? (And I will help edit)

Sure, one of you should do that, cause you know better the problem and you're native english speaker.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4363 on: 19/05/2009 19:54:49 »
my POIS has dramatically improved. Most times I feel healed 90%. This is after 30+ years of consistently agonizing POIS episodes.


It means that you have solved your problem or you have aggravated it?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4364 on: 19/05/2009 20:22:46 »
Bonjour,

Je suis très fatigué et épuisé après le sexe (toute sorte d'éjaculation; que ça soit la masturbation ou le rapport sexuel). S'y ajoute encore les simptômes grippaux (les yeux qui grattent, le nez qui coule), les problèmes de peau (démangeaisons, pellicules), les problèmes de concentration, les maux à la tête, au dos, les spasmes musculaires etc. qui peuvent durer jusqu'à 1 semaine et plus (en fonction du nombre d'éjaculation). Les medecins nient toute liaison entre le sexe et ces problèmes, ils disent que c'est dans ma tête alors que j'observe cette liaison depuis des années et j'en suis absolument sûr. Finalement je suis désespéré et je suis resté devant le choix dûr - je dois choisir entre le sexe et la vie normale.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4365 on: 19/05/2009 22:13:52 »

my POIS has dramatically improved. Most times I feel healed 90%. This is after 30+ years of consistently agonizing POIS episodes.


It means that you have solved your problem or you aggravated it?


It means that I have solved my problem 90%. If I exceed "reasonable" limits as to frequency, it is less. I'm finding these new limits by trial and error. So far, the "safe" new limits appear to be 10X greater than the old limits.

This assumes that my testosterone therapy (Androderm patches, 10mg daily) will continue to work. I've been on them now for over 3 months.
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« Reply #4366 on: 19/05/2009 22:31:19 »
Thank you, Pronobis, for posting that in French! :)
 

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« Reply #4367 on: 19/05/2009 22:33:26 »

I'll also volunteer to help edit.


Thanks, CP!
 

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« Reply #4368 on: 19/05/2009 22:59:36 »
Martin, Pronobis, B_Jim, please feel free to invite this French POIS-sufferer to our forum!
http://www.sexologie-magazine.com/corps/questionsCorps/CorpsQR25.html
 

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« Reply #4369 on: 20/05/2009 01:02:32 »
Martin, Pronobis, B_Jim, please feel free to invite this French POIS-sufferer to our forum!
http://www.sexologie-magazine.com/corps/questionsCorps/CorpsQR25.html [nofollow]


It is impossible to contact persons who ask questions in this site. It would be very interesting because he wants even to create an association.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4370 on: 20/05/2009 01:03:57 »
Thank you, Pronobis, for posting that in French! :)

Thank YOU for the hope :))
 

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« Reply #4371 on: 20/05/2009 02:04:05 »

Thank you, Pronobis, for posting that in French! :)


Thank YOU for the hope :))


We all get it from each other here.

Before coming here 2 years ago, I was resigned to a hopeless outcome, since I tried everything - for decades - and nothing seemed to work. Now, all that has changed with this forum. I've become very hopeful because of it.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4372 on: 20/05/2009 02:51:39 »
Some potentially significant bloodwork results:

This past week, I went to my doctor for a routine physical.  They did some standard bloodwork (CBC profile, metabolic panel), which I had also had done in previous visits.  All of these came back normal. 

However, this time, they also tested for Vitamin D, which I had not been tested for previously.  According to the results, I am severely deficient in vitamin D!  The normal range is 25 to 80 ng/mL, whereas mine was measured at 12.9 ng/mL.  So, the doctor recommended supplementation, which I will start right away.

The doctor's primary concern involved the relation between vitamin D and calcium absorption, such that a deficiency in vitamin D could lead to bone problems over the long term.  However, after coming home from the doctor, I did some further investigating, and found that Vitamin D is also involved in other processes that may have a more direct connection to POIS!

Just drawing upon the basic wikipedia article on vitamin D (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D), it appears that vitamin D is involved in autoimmune response, seasonal affective disorder (i.e. certain forms of depression), and forms of cognitive impairment (including "foggy brain" i.e. our old friend brain fog).  All of these seems related to key POIS symptoms.

From searching the POIS thread on the forum, I noticed that vitamin D had been mentioned a few times before.  So, I will start supplementation, and report on my results.  Who knows, perhaps this could turn out to be a key breakthrough (although I shouldn't jump too quickly to any conclusions). 

The one thing that I'm most happy about (although this may seem a little weird) is that the doctors finally found something wrong with me.  That is, I'd been going to the doctor for a couple of years now specifically for POIS, and I've had a number of tests done (including testosterone), and they all came back normal--ARRRGH!  Now, at least, there is a little proof that my personal experience of "unhealth" is not all in my head (even though this vitamin D issue may turn out to be unrelated to POIS).  So, that is nice.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4373 on: 20/05/2009 04:44:46 »
Then we could translate the Wiki article and post it in the different language sections of the site.
Let me know exactly what we need to translate, I'll try to do this.

I am severely deficient in vitamin D!  The normal range is 25 to 80 ng/mL, whereas mine was measured at 12.9 ng/mL.  So, the doctor recommended supplementation, which I will start right away.

Guthrie,
Your report is terrific! Wish you better health soon.
There was also one or two other case of pois who were tested and deficient.
What dosage did your doctor give you ? That can explain why I'm better with halibut liver oil, even if I think that vitamin A can also be helpful for pois.
The advantage of this oil is that a very small amount contains a big dose of vitamin. (5000 UI A and 400 UI D for one small capsule). Not to be taken everyday because it can be toxic.


Vitamin A and D are also given for pancreatic insufficiency (source:from a book written by MD or here :
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.medicinales.fr/Insuffisance-pancreatique&ei=UXsTStWxNJSS9QTs96X_Aw&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=6&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dinsuffisance%2Bpancr%25C3%25A9atique%2Bvitamin%2Ba%2Bd%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #4374 on: 20/05/2009 05:40:36 »
Some potentially significant bloodwork results:

This past week, I went to my doctor for a routine physical.  They did some standard bloodwork (CBC profile, metabolic panel), which I had also had done in previous visits.  All of these came back normal. 

However, this time, they also tested for Vitamin D, which I had not been tested for previously.  According to the results, I am severely deficient in vitamin D!  The normal range is 25 to 80 ng/mL, whereas mine was measured at 12.9 ng/mL.  So, the doctor recommended supplementation, which I will start right away.

The doctor's primary concern involved the relation between vitamin D and calcium absorption, such that a deficiency in vitamin D could lead to bone problems over the long term.  However, after coming home from the doctor, I did some further investigating, and found that Vitamin D is also involved in other processes that may have a more direct connection to POIS!

Just drawing upon the basic wikipedia article on vitamin D (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D), it appears that vitamin D is involved in autoimmune response, seasonal affective disorder (i.e. certain forms of depression), and forms of cognitive impairment (including "foggy brain" i.e. our old friend brain fog).  All of these seems related to key POIS symptoms.

From searching the POIS thread on the forum, I noticed that vitamin D had been mentioned a few times before.  So, I will start supplementation, and report on my results.  Who knows, perhaps this could turn out to be a key breakthrough (although I shouldn't jump too quickly to any conclusions). 

The one thing that I'm most happy about (although this may seem a little weird) is that the doctors finally found something wrong with me.  That is, I'd been going to the doctor for a couple of years now specifically for POIS, and I've had a number of tests done (including testosterone), and they all came back normal--ARRRGH!  Now, at least, there is a little proof that my personal experience of "unhealth" is not all in my head (even though this vitamin D issue may turn out to be unrelated to POIS).  So, that is nice.



Hi Guthrie.  Good news!  Interestingly enough, a very good endocrinologist, after hearing my symptoms, actually suggested I get "25 OH Vitamin D" tested.  Is this the specific test you had?

PS.  Don't overdose on vitamin D! It can be dangerous to take too much.
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