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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #450 on: 22/04/2008 21:47:53 »
Bizzy, do you ever have a sugar crash? I do. But then again, I'm not exactly moderate with it!
 

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« Reply #451 on: 23/04/2008 01:04:27 »
What is a sugar crash ?. How do you get it and what does it feel like ?. Ive never heard of it.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #452 on: 23/04/2008 02:12:55 »
I think you're definitely close to something when you talk about adrenals, but I won't agree it's the whole picture.  I've been taking tyrosine for what its worth. 

I'd like to share my recent experiences.
Like many of us, I dread POIS so I avoid ejaculation.  This time around, I was more determined than ever to avoid it and I went almost 4 weeks without one...sort of.
What happened for me which had never happened before is that I just masturbated to 'the edge' and would then stop.  But what was interesting this time was that one time I went slightly past that point of no return but then with absolute focus, I stopped the orgasm just as it was starting, just leaking out a little semen and suffering no ill effects.  Had to make sure all contact with the penis was ceased at that moment (you knw how it is).  I had never done this before.   I then proceeded to experience the same thing twice more in the following week, leaking out just a little semen each time.  So I had developed a new skill.
But then of course, the pressure builds and one day you just want to come, damn it, and so I let myself start to come, but then decided, hey I'll try stopping it again because I'm not so sure about this, and lo and behold, I even managed to turn off the semen after a few good squirts.
Now the significance of this to you all and myself, is that after this particular episode, I had satisfied enough my need for release BUT to my amazement, no POIS!
It's like I can handle losing some semen, especially after a more lengthy period, with no effects.
Now I know this may be useless if you actually are with a woman (I am but my wife has lost interest in sex..we're 55) because it's hard to focus enough to turn it off if you're inside her and also if you use condoms they are stimulating by themselves on the penis head.
But for me this is progress and I'll take it.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #453 on: 23/04/2008 11:49:35 »
Hallo just to answer the question on sugar:

You get Glucose, Sucrose and Fructose.

Sugar as we know it, is purely Sucrose.

Our bodies convert them into Glucose and Fructose through some processes.
For some people sugar is very sensitive in the endocrine system, causing a chronic disease called Diabetes. Other people tends to get this "sugar crash", similar to POIS, after a "sugar rush". It is because sugar spikes the hormones, just like a drug, and you get high on energy for a short while, until you go down, which is called the crash (what goes up must come down).

Always remember the following:

Carbohydrate Energy Lifetime:
High GI carbohydrates like glucose (Glycemic Index) - Energy from 10-30 minutes.
Low GI carbohydrates like pasta and rice - Energy from 60 - 240 minutes
Protein - energy after 3 hours going on for more than a day.

Remember to mix in minerals, vitamins, fatty acids and water into your diet, as they work together with energy (protein and carbohydrates).

Like B_Jim said, always use 2:1 Carbohydrate:Protein ratio, as you will become fat otherwise.

Important Vitamins: C, B, E
Important Minerals: Magnesium, Calcium, Zinc, Iron.
Imortant Fatty Acids: Omega 3 and 6.

The amount/portion of protein you take in at one time frame of 3 hours, should not be more than a fist size, and remember to take in double the amount of carbohydrates at the same time (not more than double and not too much sugar!!!), because protein also needs quick energy to be digested properly, otherwise you get tired and sleepy.

AND... if you take carbohydrates, especially High GI, and especially sugar, without any protein, you can expect a Sugar Crash, unless you are exercising afterwards.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #454 on: 23/04/2008 19:27:11 »
ABOUT FIDDLERPAUL'S EXPERIENCE

For some time, I practiced a Taoist technique of withholding semen yet still having an orgasm. (For those of you curious, the author of the book is Mantak Chia, he has a couple books out). But, for me, the orgasm still resulted in full-blown POIS. Someone else I asked said that the orgasm affects the central nervous system, and that orgasm leads to POIS, and that it has nothing to do with the semen release.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #455 on: 23/04/2008 19:32:11 »
VOLUNTEER NEEDED

Would someone be willing to initiate contact with a research endocrinologist to study the posts here?

Someone mentioned Oxford. And possibly to do this at no charge since the results can make them famous!

As I mentioned earlier, I think others here are better qualified than me, with more of a scientific orientation.

THANK YOU!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #456 on: 23/04/2008 20:33:45 »
Jim,
I think its a case of if you affect one aspect you can affect the other.
I don't know if you read my original story, but I once had 3 months where I had no POIS and on the contrary felt BETTER afterwards.  The reason was I had been spiritually transformed on some energetic level of my being and it turned the sexual release into an energy building process somehow.  My whole life was that way. 
But no doubt now x amount of semen release equals more likelihood of POIS as somehow the system is stressed.  I'm just glad that I have something after, what is it now, 42 years of sexual activity. 
I am fairly skeptical of a chemical solution after trying a number of things over my life, but then, I'm way too sensitive to a lot of substances and for every good effect there always seems to be a price to pay.

Congratulations but once again you avoid the problem with this trick but you don't resolve it. :)
But it seems to prove POIS is mainly hormonal and maybe not/less neurologic as i originally thought. With the semen retention trick you avoid to start the hormonal cycle engaged by ejaculation (DHEA, testosterone). We probably have a temporary difficult to produce theses hormones (Adrenal glands tired ? Lazy ? ... ).


 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #457 on: 23/04/2008 23:07:29 »
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I had been spiritually transformed on some energetic level of my being

huh?!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #458 on: 24/04/2008 02:23:04 »
...i have contacted on my side an endocrinologist to ask infos about adrenal glands.I hope he will give me new elements. And I wait final results of a case who is testing the low carbs diet.His first results are encouraging.  Then, I will write to ISSM to ask if we can have acces to the study they have.

Excellent, B_Jim, thank you!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #459 on: 24/04/2008 02:43:09 »

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...But no doubt now x amount of semen release equals more likelihood of POIS...

(2) 
...I am fairly skeptical of a chemical solution after trying a number of things over my life...

(1)
In my experience, semen release has no connection to POIS. "Taoist-technique" orgasms (without semen release) have still led to very strong bouts of POIS for me.

(2)
Levitra cures 50-75% of my POIS now. The lower % occurs when there is not enough time lapsed between releases. For me, that means weeks.

As always, please note that using Levitra without ED may possibly lead to heart problems. Always consult a physician.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #460 on: 24/04/2008 06:47:22 »
OK, I know it sounds weird, but its a long story and involved being involved with a 'guru' kind of guy that I somehow picked up on his energy and became conscious of myself as separate from everything, but only for 3 months, I don't know why only that long.  It was very liberating and also depressing when it ended.  I could elaborate but...well, if you really want to know, let me know and I can go into it.

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huh?!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #461 on: 24/04/2008 06:50:51 »
Ok, I'll grant you it may not be that, but the stopping of the full orgasm to its conclusion accomplished something...then what?  We are energetic beings and there is nothing more extreme energetically than an orgasm taken to its conclusion.  The shifting of energies has effects which ripple throughout ones emotional/physical/spiritual being in ways we cannot fully understand. 
If I was once in a state where I could feel good from orgasm based on my spiritual alignment within, and experience POIS when not in as good an alignment, then it begs the question...


(1)
...But no doubt now x amount of semen release equals more likelihood of POIS...

(2) 
...I am fairly skeptical of a chemical solution after trying a number of things over my life...

(1)
In my experience, semen release has no connection to POIS. "Taoist-technique" orgasms (without semen release) have still led to very strong bouts of POIS for me.

(2)
Levitra cures 50-75% of my POIS now. The lower % occurs when there is not enough time lapsed between releases. For me, that means weeks.

As always, please note that using Levitra without ED may possibly lead to heart problems. Always consult a physician.
 

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« Reply #462 on: 24/04/2008 13:30:05 »
Hi fellow POIS sufferers

Do you folks find that POIS seriously affects every aspect of your life everyday ?.
I find this a very powerful illness which affects me everyday. This is because the mental symptoms linger for so long after an orgasm.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #463 on: 25/04/2008 01:43:47 »
but the stopping of the full orgasm to its conclusion accomplished something...


fiddlerpaul, does this technique relieve your POIS symptoms if you do it while you're symptomatic?  I ask because right after doing this technique, my POIS symptoms are greatly diminished when I have them.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #464 on: 25/04/2008 06:23:02 »
Hi fellow POIS sufferers

Do you folks find that POIS seriously affects every aspect of your life everyday ?.
I find this a very powerful illness which affects me everyday. This is because the mental symptoms linger for so long after an orgasm.


Not only do they linger, but the constant THREAT of the NEXT orgasm>>POIS cycle hanging over our heads surely affects our daily living as well.
 

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« Reply #465 on: 25/04/2008 18:24:22 »
too much sugar is very very bad!!! if you feel you drank something with too much sugar, like a Coke, try to find something with protein to balance it, like fish or meat, but within 30 minutes.

the worst POIS that I ever had was after 5 orgasms within 3 hours. I fell asleep, and after I woke up, I was so tired, and during the day I got a  fever and I was notious. I ended up in the clinic. I was too scared to tell them what I did, but they took me up and put me on a drip with electrolytes. I felt much better after two hours of this treatment.

It made me think that POIS is directly link to complete depletion of energy levels, and in South Africa there is a drink that helps with this called Lucozade:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucozade [nofollow]

It consist primarily of Glucose.

Like I said before, don't take DHEA more than a month. Try to follow the correct diet, but it is very easy. Don't take Protein alone and when you take carbohydrate alone, not too much, otherwise search for some protein to add.

And if you take carbohydrate, try to avoid SUCROSE (sugar). Look for products with Glucose and even better, Fructose. You will feel so much better!

 

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« Reply #466 on: 26/04/2008 01:23:07 »
OK, I know it sounds weird, but its a long story and involved being involved with a 'guru' kind of guy that I somehow picked up on his energy and became conscious of myself as separate from everything, but only for 3 months, I don't know why only that long.  It was very liberating and also depressing when it ended.  I could elaborate but...well, if you really want to know, let me know and I can go into it.

Please elaborate....was he a sex guru....
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #467 on: 26/04/2008 20:34:45 »
Hi everybody. I also suffer from most of the symptoms ever since I began ejaculating.. I am 30 years old.. Similar to the experience of most of you, these rare symptoms have been attributed to psychological factors by the doctors I contacted, which is really disappointing.. By chance, during my efforts to find something through the web, I found the abstract of thearticle published by M. Waldinger and it has been good to learn at least that I am not crazy :) and there are others like me..

I am living in Turkey, therefore I did not have the chance to talk to Mr. Waldinger face to face, I only contacted him through e-mail and received a few messages (I received the latest one a few years ago) that indicated they have still been working on this issue but could not come up with a final solution.. Later on, I could not reach him even through his e-mail. I have no clue about their progress.

With this e-mail I just wanted to say hi to you all. I hope finally we will have a solution for this really annoying and disappointing set of symptoms..
 

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« Reply #468 on: 27/04/2008 16:18:22 »
I haven't tried it while suffering symptoms because SO far I've managed to avoid another full orgasm.
Can't believe how good I'm getting at this.  At first it happened just because I was desperate not to have orgasm but now I can turn it off pretty easily. 
The only explanation I can think for why it would help in your situation is that the rush of endorphin chemicals from getting to orgasm might counterattack your symptoms.

but the stopping of the full orgasm to its conclusion accomplished something...


fiddlerpaul, does this technique relieve your POIS symptoms if you do it while you're symptomatic?  I ask because right after doing this technique, my POIS symptoms are greatly diminished when I have them.
 

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« Reply #469 on: 27/04/2008 16:23:11 »
No.  He was connected to a popular meditation group but had experienced 'enlightenment' and had broken off from their group.  He had a powerful presence about him and I learned some meditation techniques from him.  The problem was I had already been doing another spiritual practise and at one point I decided his was not what I wanted, so I had actually quit going to him and doing his practise when this experience came to me. 
I experienced a sense of myself that was separate from everything else and this freed me to not be threatened by anyone or anything.  I had/have been prone to insecurity and fear through my life, so this was quite an experience and I found myself able to love others and have a very rich experience, and most significantly had more overall energy.  One day after 3 months, it just broke up and left me back where I had been.  During that time orgasms were a gas and I would just keep on truckin after them.
OK, I know it sounds weird, but its a long story and involved being involved with a 'guru' kind of guy that I somehow picked up on his energy and became conscious of myself as separate from everything, but only for 3 months, I don't know why only that long.  It was very liberating and also depressing when it ended.  I could elaborate but...well, if you really want to know, let me know and I can go into it.

Please elaborate....was he a sex guru....
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #470 on: 27/04/2008 20:24:01 »

(1) too much sugar is very very bad!!!

(2) in South Africa there is a drink that helps with this called Lucozade:

It consist primarily of Glucose.



hk1979: I thought Glucose _is_ sugar!!!???
 

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« Reply #471 on: 27/04/2008 20:28:10 »
Hi everybody. I also suffer from most of the symptoms ever since I began ejaculating.. I am 30 years old.. Similar to the experience of most of you, these rare symptoms have been attributed to psychological factors by the doctors I contacted, which is really disappointing.. By chance, during my efforts to find something through the web, I found the abstract of thearticle published by M. Waldinger and it has been good to learn at least that I am not crazy :) and there are others like me..

I am living in Turkey, therefore I did not have the chance to talk to Mr. Waldinger face to face, I only contacted him through e-mail and received a few messages (I received the latest one a few years ago) that indicated they have still been working on this issue but could not come up with a final solution.. Later on, I could not reach him even through his e-mail. I have no clue about their progress.

With this e-mail I just wanted to say hi to you all. I hope finally we will have a solution for this really annoying and disappointing set of symptoms..

Welcome, Curtis!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #472 on: 28/04/2008 05:10:30 »
Hi,

I haven't posted in a while.  I have noticed that if I masturbate WITHOUT ejaculation I still feel bad.  I am wondering if the loss of prejaculation fluid from the prostate, etc., maybe part of the problem, or all of it.  Has anybody noticed this?  I also notice REALLY vivid dreams and I could sleep for 10 hours!

Jeff
 

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« Reply #473 on: 29/04/2008 16:55:27 »
I get POIS only after a full release, a partial release does'nt do it. I think POIS is triggered only after a signal is sent from the testicles to the hypothalamus for the manufacture of GnRH. So in some people this signal might be occuring without a full release, as I have read on this forum.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #474 on: 30/04/2008 23:27:10 »

(1) too much sugar is very very bad!!!

(2) in South Africa there is a drink that helps with this called Lucozade:

It consist primarily of Glucose.



hk1979: I thought Glucose _is_ sugar!!!???

You are right that glucose is in sugar, but not 100%. Sugar as we know it, is called Sucrose.

Your body still need to change it into Glucose. Glucose and Fructose is better to take directly. They are used for body electrolyte recharge.

Diabetes will fall ill when taking sugar, but it is OK for them to take Fructose, as Fructose is called the LOW GI sugar. It doesn't give that spike, therefor it also doesn't have that sugar crash :-)
 

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