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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #475 on: 02/05/2008 05:41:55 »
I believe that there are 2 groups of individuals with pois.
1st those with diarrhea after an orgasm and 2nd those with constipation after an orgasm.
In my case I am in the second group.
What are your views on you.
 

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« Reply #476 on: 02/05/2008 12:43:31 »
Hi, I'm new on this forum, I discovered this thread recently while I was searching the internet for the post orgasmic illness syndrome, to see if there's already more to find about POIS. To my surprise I found this thread about POIS which is a real support to me after I've read through all the posts and I all the nasty symptoms and huge struggles recognised that this disease brings with it.

I have POIS ever since I became sexually active, though for a long time I didn't know that my complaints occur after sexual activity, because they appear very gradually and last for at least two weeks.
I suffer from complaints like severe to extreme tension (physically and mentally), nervousness, depression, anxiety, insecurity, concentration problems, cognitive memory problems, tiredness, frequently occuring diarrhea and other complaints ever since before my teen years.

I've tried many therapies and tried many ways and searches to find a solution to my complaints and always suspected that I might suffer from them because of difficult and traumatic experiences that I experienced in my youth (not sexually related).
Only until many years later I began suspecting that my complaints might be linked to sexual activity. Although before that I already had the feeling that sexual activity might have some influence on my complaints but at first I didn't believe it was the main source where they came from and part of me wanted to deny the possibility that my complaints might be linked to sexual activity. Also the fact that the symptoms after sexual activity appear very gradually and last for at least two weeks or more for me, made it less obvious to recognise where they come from.
At some point I began tracking the link to sexual activity and my complaints and it became actually very obvious that all my complaints occur after sexual activity.

Some time later I searched for quite some time and discovered about POIS on the internet, about 1 years ago and read about dr. Waldinger and his research about POIS. I made an appointment with him and he confirmed that I have POIS. He told me that he thinks that POIS might be caused by an allergy to your own sperm and he referred me to an allergologist who did a test and found a reaction to my sperm.
Though I don't think that POIS is caused by an allergy to my own sperm. I discovered that the complaints also occur after sexual activity without having an ejaculation/orgasm.

Since before I knew of POIS, I always suspected that the symptoms that occur after sexual activity might be caused by excessive amounts/deficiencies of neurotransmitters/hormones/other substances.

So after some time now, I decide to go look again if I can find out why I'm suffering from POIS, I'll post about that later.

 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #477 on: 02/05/2008 14:08:35 »
Welcome Deloun. You have probably the orginal form of POIS described by Dr Waldinger. My opinion is that the auto-immune reaction after orgasm theory is only possible for long case ( at least 5-6 days).
But lot of guys here have symptoms during 3 days.
If orginal POIS is compared to a normal flu, i think it's impossible to get the virus, be ill and be healed in only 3 days.

Dr. Waldinger told me that there are also patients with symptoms that occur for only a few days and that there are patients which suffer for a longer duration. I don't think it's an auto-immune reaction in the form of an allergy to my own sperm causing the symptoms in my case (or maybe any case), but caused by excessive ammounts/deficiencies of neurotransmitters/hormones/other substances instead. Because the symptoms also occur after sexual activity while I don't have an ejaculation/orgasm. Maybe an auto-immune reaction can be an additional consequence of POIS and not the cause. I do believe that there are different variations in the complaints that people suffer from and likewise that there are different variations of the causes.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #478 on: 02/05/2008 19:00:00 »
I've had a bloodtest done about 2 years ago, but only for some vitamins and minerals. It indicated deficiencies of the vitamins B6, folic acid (B9/B11), B12, E and of selenium.

This is the result of the test for vitamins of 2 years ago:


And this is the result of the test for minerals of 2 years ago:


Does anyone else here with POIS symptoms have such deficiencies?

I'm planning to go to an endocrinologist and have a more extensive bloodtest done, this time besides for vitamins and minerals also for neurotransmitters and hormones.
« Last Edit: 03/05/2008 00:11:02 by deloun »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #479 on: 02/05/2008 21:28:10 »

(1) too much sugar is very very bad!!!

(2) in South Africa there is a drink that helps with this called Lucozade:

It consist primarily of Glucose.



hk1979: I thought Glucose _is_ sugar!!!???

You are right that glucose is in sugar, but not 100%. Sugar as we know it, is called Sucrose.

Your body still need to change it into Glucose. Glucose and Fructose is better to take directly. They are used for body electrolyte recharge.

Diabetes will fall ill when taking sugar, but it is OK for them to take Fructose, as Fructose is called the LOW GI sugar. It doesn't give that spike, therefor it also doesn't have that sugar crash :-)

My psychotherapist, who has worked in hospitals with dying patients, insists that sugar, even in excess, is fine for most people. Can I give her any EVIDENCE that this is wrong?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #480 on: 02/05/2008 22:33:29 »
Did your dr have you do a blood test ? Particularly after an ejaculation when  you have the worst symptoms ?

You can see page 11 all the cases of POIS. Agjchs is healed with DHEA, Demografx feels much better with dopaminergic Levitra. That's why I think now that the main problem is adrenal glands. The first thing to do for adrenal glands is correct blood sugar. Then make a blood test after ejaculation to check cortisol and DHEA/hormones.


B_Jim, several years ago, my acupuncturist/Oriental therapy advisor thought my POIS was caused by TOO SMALL adrenal glands. Does this make sense to you? Thanks.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #481 on: 02/05/2008 22:37:44 »
Did your dr have you do a blood test ? Particularly after an ejaculation when  you have the worst symptoms ?

You can see page 11 all the cases of POIS. Agjchs is healed with DHEA, Demografx feels much better with dopaminergic Levitra. That's why I think now that the main problem is adrenal glands. The first thing to do for adrenal glands is correct blood sugar. Then make a blood test after ejaculation to check cortisol and DHEA/hormones.


Do you think this would also apply if POIS comes from orgasm WITHOUT ejaculation? (I tried it - hoping to avoid POIS - and successfully had orgasm without ejaculation...but still developed full-blown POIS!)
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #482 on: 02/05/2008 23:29:49 »
I suppose that you took vitamins/minerals supplement after this, without real  effect on POIS. Anyway a good diet is an essential starting point.
  I'm looking now cortisol and flu-like and other POIS symptom link. 

Yes, I took supplements after that, though that doesn't necessarily mean that I didn't have those deficiencies anymore. Because my diet is good, so the reason for the deficiencies is not my diet, it has a different reason like often can be the case in general that it isn't ones diet causing deficiencies but like for instance that the body doesn't take the vitamins/minerals up well or that something isn't functioning correctly in the body and simply taking supplements doesn't always help.
 
Many vitamins and minerals like those B-vitamins play a vital role in the making and regulating of neurotransmitters and hormones. So it's important to also look at vitamins and minerals besides neurotransmitters and hormones.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #483 on: 04/05/2008 22:34:51 »
Over the past 15 years I have tried many different vitamins, minerals and amino-acids to see if a supplementation can help reduce POIS symptoms. I have found this a difficult process because the illness cycles and its onset is so subtle. I found this form of nutrient supplementation to be largely useless with the exception of Magnesium. I have found that Magnesium 200mg once daily has excellent stress and depression lowering properties.

During a summer several years back I went on a high protein diet using protein powders made for body-builders. I felt that maybe a high protein diet might restore my hormonal balance and lessen my depression. I had no idea if this would work but after a month it did work, I felt a lot better. I had to stop this therapy though because the powder shakes were causing kidney pains. Afterwards I tried different brands of powder but didnt achieve the same benefit.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #484 on: 05/05/2008 12:06:39 »
I think it could be the high amount of amino acids that are present in the protein powder that relieved your symptoms. Maybe l-phenylananine, l-tyrosine and tryptophan could help, they are converted in the body to a few neurotransmitters which may be linked to POIS symptoms:

l-phenylalanine -> l-tyrosine -> l-dopa -> dopamine, epinephrine (adrenaline), norepinephrine (noradrenaline)

tryptophan -> 5-HTP -> serotonin

Like I mentioned earlier, I've always suspected that excessive amounts/deficiencies of neurotransmitters and other substances that have a relation with neurotransmitters could be causing my POIS symptoms.

In my opinion it seems to me the best thing to do is to get an extensive blood/urine test done.

I'm having an appointment with an endocrinologist and I'll request an extensive blood and urine test for at least neurotransmitters, hormones, amino acids, vitamins and minerals.
 

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« Reply #485 on: 05/05/2008 12:10:14 »
Oh and enough vitamin B6 available in the body is also necessary to convert the amino acids to neurotransmitters.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #486 on: 05/05/2008 15:11:46 »
I found out this month that l-phenylalanine works better than l-tyrosine. The body can absorbs it better, and it is a better form of supplement to reap the benefits that l-tyrosine would essentially give.

@deloun: you are correct, but also include Vitamin B12. I prefer to take the B-complex and Vitamin C with lunch. Other people take the multivitamin but I feel B-complex and C works out better for me when I take it seperate.

At the end of the day you find yourself taking about 10 pills a day and you feel like "Oh my God this doesn't feel normal/natural". But I think with POIS if you can get your carb/protein ration in balance, and take only neccesary supplements, you should be fine. My new "daily diet" is:

1)Wake up and take l-phenylalanine or l-tyrosine, and ginseng with water on empty stomach.
2)Protein rich (bacon and eggs) Breakfast with Omega 3 and 6, orange juice and a banana.
3)Midmorning (10h00) I drink a cup of soup (usually tomato). I used to take coffee but I feel the soup is better in the long term.
4)Lunch again something with protein the size of my fist, together with either rice or pasta, and an extra veg. Afterwards I take Vitamin B Complex and Vitamin C with Zinc with a juice or cordial.
5)Midafternoon (15h00) I drink a cup of soup again.
6)For dinner/supper, it is similar to lunch, but I take Magnesium and Calsium afterwards.

I always have a protein meal replacement in my cupboard, and also at work, just in case I miss a meal, then I drink a chocolate shake. There are a lot on the market. The one I prefer is Pro-Plex from Muscle Science. But I must drink carbohydrates with it otherwise I can very tired in the next 2 hours. I also don' take as much as the recommended dose, as it is formulated for muscle builders:

http://www.musclescience.co.za/products/pro-plex.htm [nofollow]
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #487 on: 05/05/2008 20:24:10 »
I insist on believing that fatigue in the period pois arises as a result of changes in the digestive.
In my case does not appear diarrhea, I immediately want to go to the bathroom but then comes a great constipation who fervently believe that is what produces fatigue throughout the body and mind.
Another symptom that I get is that I get a lot of heat in the body especially in the face to the point that I put the red cheeks and sweat a lot, feelings of shame that may arise are increased so as well when I get nervous.
Someone has the same symptoms?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #488 on: 05/05/2008 21:30:56 »
hi folks. just found this site. first post.

some Q's/thoughts:

re: Levitra - are people taking it before or after ejaculation? and are you taking it regularly (daily/weekly) or just before after exaculation?

re: mantak chia: i was experimenting with non-ejaculation for a while, which helped a bit, but not enough. (what i mean here is "in-jaculation, where there's orgasm while pressing on the perenium. the ejaculate stays "in." wierd, but doable.)

my symptoms sound like less than many posting here (no diarrea, or constipation) but i find that post ejaculation, i feel slow, but not tired first 2 days, then, most tired after 3-4 days.

takes me about a month before i feel energetically back to normal.

I have experimented for years with not ejaculating for 3 months at a time. my energy would build amazingly well. tiredness was not as bad after ejaculating, but still dispointing.

i've actually had pretty good improvement from going to an accupuncturist and taking a custom blend of herbs she made up for me. (don't know what's in it, it's all in chinese.)

i've often found that after ejaculating, i get a cold, which i have now, which came on about a week after ejaculating. not saying the ejaculation gave me the cold, but likely lowered my immune system and then after exposure to someone elses cold.

i eat very little sugar, mostly animal protein and veges. (grains make me sleepy.)

was on topical testosterone (gel that i would rub onto skin, need perscription, of course) for a long time, which had a little bit of impact on energy. i recommend it for many reasons, but can't say it was the "magic bullet" for energy loss.

that's all for now. read you soon.

-clem
« Last Edit: 05/05/2008 21:34:09 by uh-clem »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #489 on: 06/05/2008 00:22:02 »
Can you give more details of you diet with protein powder ? (alone or you kept a normal diet ? carbohydrates ? ) Protein powder is not really dangerous for kidneys if you don't abuse it and if you drink a lot of water.
Now, it's intersting to understand why you feel better. Protein/Carbs ratio ? Or maybe there is specificly an amino acid in this powder (and not/less the other you took later), effective for sexual hormones cycle ? Can you give the name of this powder ?

It was summertime and I decided to replace most of my meals with protein shakes, although I did eat a normal meal. I was taking a lot of shakes during a day along with water to help.
I was taking powders made by a company called bio-hazard, no longer available. But they were getting a proper company to make it for them to their specifications. They boasted that the composition of the powder, in terms of amino-acid profile, was the same as found in real muscle. I tried two types of powders from them. One was protein only and the other protein with lots of glucose mixed in, so very high carb. They both worked equally well. So I think it was the protein composition that was important. I dont have any of the containers left against which I could check the composition levels.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #490 on: 06/05/2008 00:22:34 »
welcome uh-clem!!

How often you go to defecate after pois? my theory indicates that intestine defecation may occur (depending on the individual and the circumstances) from once every two or three days to several times a day but after Pois even going to defecate  some feces and gases still remain generating discomfort This makes one more tired and low defenses.
 I've noticed the opposite effect when I go to defecate, the body relaxes to the point where I run a chills through the body that restores vitality at least for a moment, this happens until the feces and gas remnants again placed inside bowel and that generate discomfort and fatigue until the next defecation.
  I've tried that I feel much better by accelerating the process of eating and defecating, I mean by this that eating foods such as broccoli, cauliflower and rye bread with another meals are much help to make this happen.
   
In the case of those with diarrhea after pois (is not my case) would have to see if it is only in the first defecation. In my case I do not have diarrhea but I can always say that I have a terrible desire to defecate immediately after pois.
The first days after pois realize that I have very bad breath and gas that fuels the theory that not all feces go to the bathroom

May be all this sounds funny but I would like to know your views and experience about that. thanks
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #491 on: 06/05/2008 01:00:12 »
welcome uh-clem!!

How often you go to defecate after pois? my theory indicates that intestine defecation may occur (depending on the individual and the circumstances) from once every two or three days to several times a day but after Pois even going to defecate  some feces and gases still remain generating discomfort This makes one more tired and low defenses.

--ejaculation has no impact on my stool. i crap once a day, in the morning, regardless of whether i've ejaculated recently. i've done a lot of work on my digestion etc. however. i take digestive enzymes and occasional pro-biotics when i have any diarrea like symptoms. which i highly recemmend for anyone with diarrea problems regardless of POIS!

also, eat more salad and less sugar and less wheat!



 
In the case of those with diarrhea after pois (is not my case) would have to see if it is only in the first defecation. In my case I do not have diarrhea but I can always say that I have a terrible desire to defecate immediately after pois.

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any of you with diarreaa ( sorry i can't spell it, but i do feel your pain.)

get a colonic or do an emema. they will clean out whatever crap is in there that doesn't belong there.

my intuition is that those of you with diarrea symptoms are most likely already experiencing digestive problems and the lack of strength and energy post ejaculation are making this worse.

i'm not a doctor, but i would run and get a good probiotic (should be stored in the refrigerater, when you buy it in the store!) and get a colonic or two (once a month) and see what happens.



The first days after pois realize that I have very bad breath and gas that fuels the theory that not all feces go to the bathroom

--interesting. never heard this. it makes sense that post orgasm all sorts of things in the body are moving and are stimulated. you might also try a digestive enzyme.

May be all this sounds funny but I would like to know your views and experience about that. thanks
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #492 on: 07/05/2008 16:23:51 »
FOR B_JIM

Hi, B_Jim, in your posts, you mentioned two properties of Levitra: (1) dopaminergic and (2) stimulant. This is very interesting, can you explain a little bit more? Thank you.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #493 on: 07/05/2008 16:29:07 »
re: Levitra - are people taking it before or after ejaculation? and are you taking it regularly (daily/weekly) or just before after exaculation?

I think I'm the only one here taking Levitra. I think it should only be taken for ED, which I have, but it also works for me and my POIS (75% cure).

It is to be taken before sex, but I experimented after sex as well and it works, but not as good as before sex. I have NEVER taken it "regularly", outside indicated times.

I strongly urge anyone considering this to consult with a physician, because Levitra may possibly have an effect on the heart if one does not have ED.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #494 on: 07/05/2008 19:38:25 »
Ive started a POIS cycle again, but for me it takes over a week to recover properly and to get to the point to where I can think right again, and i have exams coming up. I am so close to suicide right now
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #495 on: 07/05/2008 23:13:47 »
Rapidgaming: I can only presume you are serious, as I have been in the depths with this problem and can understand such a sentiment, but please, it is a horrible feeling but IT WILL PASS. And I know what it's like to feel like dirt because you are afflicted with something so awful yet nobody really knows or understands, I have been there for so long... it erodes you, your self image declines. My best defence is to avoid anything that would lead to the situation, I avoid erotic images or even TV with mild sexual content, to keep nocturnal emissions to a minimum.

Doing poorly on your exams would be a stressful event, but if it happens IT IS NOT THE END. You might have to put your aspirations in life on hold and find an environment that you can survive in, employment that will accommodate the problem that isn't too stressful or taxing on you... focus on finding a way to just get by, give yourself time to work on this problem. Forgive yourself because YOU KNOW what it is you are going through. Nobody blames a man with a broken leg for not being able to run a marathon. In this condition we are broken, don't blame yourself because you can't "run". 

There are many ideas to try floating around here, just be cautious whatever you decide and research it for yourself. I tried a little tyrosine one episode and I didn't have POIS symptoms, yet I was mentally off from it, I think perhaps the amount was too much. Any experiment like this is of interest, but of course is only valuable with repeated success, and is complicated by the shifty nature of this condition.

I had an episode this prior week and I wasn't affected too much, I was capable enough. I think that because I have few POIS events, the severity is perhaps lessened. Later on in the week I caught a cold and I wondered about what I read somewhere above here, that the immune system might be lessened in this state. I am considering taking the supplement Cold FX to see the effects on my next event. It is purported to enhance the immune system. I believe it is actually a type of ginsing.

Please let us know how you are doing.

« Last Edit: 07/05/2008 23:24:53 by John21 »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #496 on: 08/05/2008 01:09:30 »
hallo rapidgaming... you say you have exams and this tiredness is killing you? if you don't have diabetes, try something that should be harmless in medical terms: i suggest get some energy drink with mostly only glucose and a flavour, not with all these funny things, maybe if it has vitamins and minerals it is ok. drink 500ml every 2 hours until you feel better, and drink some ginseng and ginkgo biloba on an empty stomach before you start studying. don't drink too much glucose, you musn't feel all the sweetness too much. if you think you drank too much just drink some water also. if you can find a electrolyte refuel drink, even better. In Southa Africa we have something called REHIDRATE, it has a mixture of glucose, magnesium, calcium and bicarbonate of soda.

it will be perfect if you can find the original lucozade flavour somewhere, plus the ginseng and ginkgo biloba for the mind energy

you can only try it maybe it will help, i guess it is better than killing yourself :-) whatever you decide to do please let me know, all the best!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #497 on: 08/05/2008 01:39:23 »
uh-clem

thanks for your input, i also take digestive enzymes now and then, it is crazy that you can sometimes eat something, but is not always digested properly. the probiotics is also brilliant to take! i also totally agree on the sugar thing, but sometimes it is necessary to get your body blood sugar index back to normal, and I suspect it falls rapidly after orgasms.

IS THERE ANYBODY THAT HAVE TAKEN THEIR BLOOD SUGAR INDEX DIRECTLY AFTER AN ORGASM, PLEASE INFORM ME THE RESULT ???

Please read this:

http://diabetes.webmd.com/tc/hypoglycemia-low-blood-sugar-symptoms [nofollow]
http://www.nutrimed.com/news_sugar.html [nofollow]

I found that pure sugar is not the answer it makes me nauseas. Like I mentioned previously i replaced all my pure sugar with fructose and glucose in the house, it works much better for me! But not too much of the fructose also, just when needed.

must be careful with too much carbohydrates. everybody must find their own balance of protein/carb/minerals/vitamins that works best for them.

hopefully an endocrinoligist will give us the perfect diet for POIS oneday.....
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #498 on: 08/05/2008 03:09:44 »
Guys,

I am going to see my endro doc next week.  I am going to have him check my cortisol levels and my HGH levels.  I wouldn't be surprised if my HGH level is low.  I have a sneaking suspicion that  a lot of us have low HGH levels.  The problem is if my level is low insurance may not pay for it and I can't afford it at $800-$1,000 per month.  Has anbody had this checked?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #499 on: 08/05/2008 05:20:01 »

I am so close to suicide right now


RAPIDGAMING IF YOU ARE SERIOUS AND IN THE USA PLEASE CALL
***1-800-SUICIDE***, OR PLEASE CALL AND GET SOME HELP FROM A SIMILAR COUNSELING ORGANIZATION. OR GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM OF YOUR LOCAL HOSPITAL. AT LEAST YOU KNOW YOU'RE IN TOUCH WITH FELLOW POIS SUFFERERS.

RAPIDGAMING, WE ARE ALL WITH YOU IN OUR THOUGHTS WISHING YOU THE VERY BEST!!!!
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