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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5500 on: 07/09/2009 13:14:46 »
Hey, I'm back (sort of).  Just have time for a short post.... I haven't had time to read everything that's gone on in the last few weeks but...
- GoingCrazy seems to be describing the 'subsequent orgasm' effect I've noted
- I am quite sure that I have (severe?) reactive hypoglycemia, and I think there is a strong connection with my POIS.  I was travelling with a physician friend, and I realized, more clearly than I had before, that whenever I eat any food with a moderately high glycemic index, I get really hungry (unless I have a LOT of it, in which case I just feel strange).  I also get a mild headache, and have trouble concentrating.  This is alleviated by having something like cheese.  This connects alot of the POIS dots in my case (feeling weird after caffeine, alcohol, certain foods, high sugars, etc).  I described my symptoms to the physician friend who had been observing me, and he suggested that I have hypoglycemia; he was quit ecertain of it.  (Hypoglycemia not hyperglycemia).

Hypoglycemia, it seems, can often be a side effect of a different problem.... and it can also sometimes be hard to test for.  The most standard test in the US is the 4 hour glucose tolerance test, and it is probably the test I will try first. 
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5501 on: 07/09/2009 15:24:53 »
that is confusing if you are hypoglycemic, shouldnt that mean glycemic foods to help you, or those hypoglycemia mean inabillity to digest glucose or break it down.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5502 on: 07/09/2009 16:03:04 »
that is confusing if you are hypoglycemic, shouldnt that mean glycemic foods to help you, or those hypoglycemia mean inabillity to digest glucose or break it down.

This may be related to something called 'dumping syndrome' also.

Basically, if I eat something with a high glycemic index, my body overcompensates by producing too much insulin.  This drives my blood sugar way down.  The process of my blood sugar shooting down would cause me to have bad symptoms (at least as much as low blood sugar itself). 

So, for example, if I am hungry, and I eat some creme brulee, I'll get REALLY hungry, and a mild headache, and have difficulty focusing.  In order to feel better, I'll have to have a cheese sandwich or something like that.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5503 on: 07/09/2009 20:04:40 »
As BJim commented, pure cran really impacts blood sugar. I've tested for several weeks now. It feels like regulation of card sensativity.

I'm waiting for the next NE. I've been on the juice for 3 weeks :)
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5504 on: 07/09/2009 21:15:49 »
As BJim commented, pure cran really impacts blood sugar. I've tested for several weeks now. It feels like regulation of card sensativity.

I'm waiting for the next NE. I've been on the juice for 3 weeks :)

good luck, what brand of cranberry juice are you drinking?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5505 on: 07/09/2009 21:22:46 »
I think its about time for me to join the NE group, it's just so hard for me to wait that long.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5506 on: 07/09/2009 22:35:08 »
L&A
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5507 on: 08/09/2009 18:41:26 »
After a carb rich meal I feel glycemic symptoms. If I drink cran thoughs symptoms reduce wihin 30 minutes.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5509 on: 09/09/2009 03:53:24 »

I've been on the juice for 3 weeks :)


LJ, have you tried Cranberries Anonymous? :)
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5510 on: 09/09/2009 03:59:06 »
Drunk on cranberry?

Now I've heard it all. They make cranberry cocktails with all types of liquor/liqueur...and even cranberry and beer!
http://www.in-the-spirit.co.uk/cranberry_cocktails.html
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5511 on: 09/09/2009 04:56:56 »
Cranberrry liqueur? Good find demografx  [O8)]

These connections to glycemia look very interesting, but as far as Chi goes I'm not convinced till I see a good argument for it.

Is anyone looking into taking a prescription antimicrobial after/around POIS?

I'm seeing a strong connection between Relora/Fenugreek/Garlic/Cranberry. I think that they all have antimicrobial properties. More to come...

 
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5512 on: 09/09/2009 05:55:58 »
So I was reading about Encephalitis on the merck site and found the article very informative. I hope some people take time to read it with an open mind and see if you make the same connections below that I see.

http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec16/ch217/ch217c.html [nofollow]

Some things that caught my attention from this article regarding Encephalitis:

-RELATED FEVER/HEADACHE/ALTERED MENTAL STATUS "often accompanied by seizures and focal neurologic DEFICITS"
-inflammation of the parenchyma of the brain
-related spinal cord inflamation
-a preceding GI symptom
-"Encephalitis is suspected in patients with unexplained alterations in mental status."
- "CSF abnormalities may not develop until 8 to 24 h after onset of symptoms." A delayed onset of symptoms possibly related to back pain?
-"Hemorrhagic necrosis can introduce many RBCs and some neutrophils into CSF, elevate protein, and modestly lower glucose."
-diagnostic testing techniques for encephalitis related conditions
-An ANTIMICROBIAL drug is mentioned as a possibility for treatment(they are probably trying to sell it).


And here is the real kicker! Right at the end of the article after supportive therapy like proper hydration is listed: "Euvolemia should be maintained." Or, the presence of the proper amount of blood in the body. Could the big "O" somehow release/trigger microbes/activating a dormant virus like chicken pox(but something else of course) with subsequent autoimmune reaction at a point when the immune system is especially weak. Could the "O" simulate euvolemia by a change in blood pressure or a reallocation of blood supply away from certain areas like the brain and into certain other places like the prostate etc and end up being a trigger for the whole POIS reaction? Or why is maintaining euvolemia important? Maybe I'm way off base; what do you think? I'm really interested to know what others think about this...Thanks in advance for your consideration!



   
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5513 on: 09/09/2009 06:15:30 »
Cranberrry liqueur? Good find demografx  [O8)]

These connections to glycemia look very interesting, but as far as Chi goes I'm not convinced till I see a good argument for it.

Is anyone looking into taking a prescription antimicrobial after/around POIS?

I'm seeing a strong connection between Relora/Fenugreek/Garlic/Cranberry. I think that they all have antimicrobial properties. More to come...

 

Do I sense another emerging theory for the compendium??

 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5514 on: 09/09/2009 15:00:07 »
Has anyone else had their blood tests done for any type of virus, lyme disease, etc?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5515 on: 09/09/2009 16:50:46 »
I have had this problem for at least 10 years, and its always the same. After orgasm, the fatigue starts and is followed by phy and emotional weakness and just feeling so horrible that it makes sex a negative experience. It takes about a week before i feel like a normal person again. UGH i hate it so much!
My wife is great about it, and basically i never have orgasms unless i cant take it anymore[ 1x every 2-4 months]
I take care of her needs and have lots of foreplay but wont climax because its just not worth feeling this bad.

I have had lyme disease and was treated via i.v for 1 1/2 yrs and they say i dont have it now. I am on injectable testosterone, prednisone, and an estrogen blocker.
I was Very interested when 'goingcrazy' said he took benadryl and felt no symtoms. Can you please ELBORATE on that? The testicles release hisamine at orgasm, and benadryl is a hisamine blocker.
I need some help, its so hard living with this problem........thx
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5516 on: 09/09/2009 17:25:40 »
Has anyone else had their blood tests done for any type of virus, lyme disease, etc?

I was tested for lyme, result negative- I'm not sure I agree with the result of the single test by a local lab... There are very few good lyme specialists and clinics that do thorough, knowledgeable, proper testing for lime. There are several lyme tests, some more accurate than others, with a high incidence of false negative results. There is strong evidence for chronic lyme which some doctors do not believe in or choose to ignore.

The most informative site I have found regarding lyme is from the Columbia University Medical Center, NY. I figure this could be relevant as one of many potential underlying facilitators/drivers of pois.

http://www.columbia-lyme.org/ [nofollow]
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5517 on: 09/09/2009 17:28:35 »
Benadryl made me calm and relaxed.  But I was also drinking cranberry juice around the same time.  I really do not know right now.  I'm about to take another benadryl just to see because right now I am definitely POIS'ing.  I orgasmed about 5 times this weekend (haha went crazy) and felt no symptoms, but now they are definitely catching up with me.  I feel very very bad.  I'm going to a behavioral therapist in a few days.  All I can say is orgasm-ing more than once is definitely a LOT worse...  I'm going to take some benadryl right now and see what happens.
 

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« Reply #5518 on: 09/09/2009 17:56:17 »
thx going crazy. You seem to be in better shape than me...there is no way i could have 5 O's in a weekend without being bedridden for probably 6mo. I agree, more orgasms or O's too close together is really bad.
Hope you feel better and the benadryl works! I wonder if if matters if you take it even after orgasm?
Keep us posted.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5519 on: 09/09/2009 17:56:49 »
John21, have you orgasmed without NE to see if you are cured?  You don't have to if your really not ready I don't want to stunt your progress.  I'm really thinking long term celibacy is the key.  Maybe our brain chemicals are imbalanced and doing this leads to this type of reaction.  I was reading and it said it takes about 6-12 months to fully balance brain chemicals, and an out of balance brain seeks for short thrills that pay badly in the long term (orgasm).  If one thing helps us, it sure is staying away from orgasm.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5520 on: 09/09/2009 18:04:33 »
Interesting new book

Marnia Robinson, aka "reuniting" has been a POIS Forum member for quite some time and has contributed quite a bit to us. She and her husband are world-class experts in sexual relationships. Her new book looks like it might give us some more insight into POIS:
http://www.reuniting.info/cupids_poisoned_arrow


                        
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5521 on: 09/09/2009 18:19:19 »

In our discussion of "reuniting"'s new book, she wrote: "One bit of research we put in our latest book is that androgen (nerve cell) receptors decline in male rats after copulation...and more so the more times they copulate. (Their pattern is 7-8 copulations before they lose interest in *that* mate.) Androgen receptors are what react to testosterone. So even if testosterone is circulating, the animal is not feeling as "manly." See how sneaky biology is? "The more (or more intense) the merrier" doesn't necessarily apply if you take into account the days following."
 

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« Reply #5522 on: 09/09/2009 19:00:08 »

John21, have you orgasmed without NE to see if you are cured?  You don't have to if your really not ready I don't want to stunt your progress.  I'm really thinking long term celibacy is the key.  Maybe our brain chemicals are imbalanced and doing this leads to this type of reaction.  I was reading and it said it takes about 6-12 months to fully balance brain chemicals, and an out of balance brain seeks for short thrills that pay badly in the long term (orgasm).  If one thing helps us, it sure is staying away from orgasm.


I agree. But personally, I have simply been unable to pull it off (no pun intended)in 30+ years of trying. 60 days max. And then POIS is just as bad, and often much worse.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5523 on: 09/09/2009 19:08:00 »

In our discussion of "reuniting"'s new book, she wrote: "One bit of research we put in our latest book is that androgen (nerve cell) receptors decline in male rats after copulation...and more so the more times they copulate. (Their pattern is 7-8 copulations before they lose interest in *that* mate.) Androgen receptors are what react to testosterone. So even if testosterone is circulating, the animal is not feeling as "manly." See how sneaky biology is? "The more (or more intense) the merrier" doesn't necessarily apply if you take into account the days following."


For people like me with POIS, I wonder if this ties in to my theory of more POIS-relief when: (1) I increase my testosterone when POIS begins, and (2) I increase testosterone treatment to higher than average levels 24/7.

My endo has approved both. Let's see what happens.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5524 on: 09/09/2009 19:58:37 »
i have been keeping up with the post since i first found it, and i have seen some good ideas come about. but i think these are all secondary illness's caused by a primary problem which is most likely the theory about hormones.  from peoples endocrine test, it appears that all the levels are pretty much with in normal range.  this suggests that we have normal homeostasis of hormones but, one is an antigen(antagonist of the body) in are body and is causing massive havoc. the best method i can think of is to test the hormones released after orgasm one at a time.  if one of the hormones causes pois, than we have found the problem and can start to solve it. that's if a doctor lets someone experiment with hormones.manually putting the "poison" in our body will give us concrete evidence if one causes pois.  this will be just like a allergy test, where they ***** your back with a possible allergen, and then wait for a reaction.

also, to the people who test the various methods of pois cures, by having 5 o's in a row, i applaud you.  5 o's in a row would most likely send me into shock, i would be airlifted to Harborview Hospital, where i would most certainly die a most torturous death.
 

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