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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5550 on: 11/09/2009 04:41:20 »
http://www.anxietyinsights.info/overactive_brain_endorphin_system_linked_to_depression.htm

just found this, overactive endorphin system?  Maybe endorphins released during sexual climax results in this system to overactivate?

It is "a pain killer 3x more effective than morphine"

And I do realize that when in POIS I get these "good" feelings associated with the terrible POIS feeling, maybe endorphin release followed by my brain trying to get off the "drug" is what causes POIS.  Almost too many ideas.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5551 on: 11/09/2009 04:42:26 »
goingcrazy

whoever answered must have minute grey matter for giving an answer like that.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5552 on: 11/09/2009 10:48:35 »
Is it possible to have sex/masturbate (ejaculate) wrong way?

I have had many years many of these POIS symptoms, depression, very low mood, foggy mind, very introverted, very bad weakness in my body and mind, coldness, flu like feeling, concentration problems, pains everywhere in body, allergy symptoms and so on... all after 1-2 days from ejaculation. And recovery has taken always few days if i stay without ejaculating those days.

I have tried many solutions from here, totally changed how i eat and had lot of exercise, without much help. Well, i feel healthier but the POIS symptoms havent disappeared.

I also tested my testosterone levels, the result: 15.... quite low but not below limit.

Last few months i have been thinking that why i have had sometimes couple of weeks' periods that i havent felt POIS symptoms much at all. I noticed that during those days i have been masturbating different way, i have made it slowly, teasing myself, not letting ejaculation come fast.

I also noticed during these last months that i can ejaculate/masturbate/have sex different way than i have had done during my whole age. Most of my times i have masturbated/had sex as being very consciously what i have been doing as having sex or masturbated. I have controlled my body.

But now i have noticed, my body can do those things automatically, without i make my body do it. I usually use homemade vagina if im masturbating. Most of my times i have put my penis in and start to move my body and kept moving it. But now... I have noticed if i want to have sex, i put my penis in and hold it still, and watch some sexy babes, my body actually starts to move by itself, without i consciously do it by myself. I dont actually need to do it by myself, my body does it for me. All i need to do it just watch and enjoy.

How it all goes:

I put my penis into vagina, i may make some conscious movements by myself and watching something hot same time. I dont usually do it long time. I just stop or slow down my pace, relax my body/pelvis, then it happens, my body seems want to do it. My penis needs to get just little touch from the vagina around it and it makes my body move back and forward. I dont need to do it by myself. I let my body do so, and i keep watching my sexual objects.

There comes a point when my breath begins to get faster, and thats very important point. The point makes my body move faster and faster, my breath gets also faster and faster. I start to loose time and space, my body begins to get good feeling. Things around me blurs, my eyes which first wandered around on woman's body, actually goes out of control, and locks on usually woman pelvis/vagina. My body does it automatically, without i do anything, crazy speed and the breath feels also so weird...so fast, not normal what i have experienced during my past years as having sex/masturbated. Then i get my orgasm, it feels so great and relief... whats more, i really feel good after ejaculation.... that havent happened most of times my past years... And the good feel just continues.... Next day i feel still good, no much sadness, no much depression, and i have energy....im able to think..... it feels weird...

But if i do it fast way, consciously, and control my masturbation/sex moment ... the result is POIS symptoms.

I have kept thinking why it is so...? Does my body release more testosterony this way? And the 'wrong' way does something else/bad to my body?

Is the key just let animal insticts come alive, let off the control?  :)
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5553 on: 11/09/2009 21:33:09 »
Hello everyone,

I am new to the forum, though have been following up closely on it since a couple of months now....I am a 30 years old male and  POIS sufferer since almost 6 years.. yet I only truly understood what was happening to me when I discovered this forum one year ago and thus putting an end to endless speculations, doubts and assumptions......mostly and like many POIS sufferers, I had to endlessly explain, convince, repeat to doctors that what was happening to me was not psychological but physiological….thankfully now there is enough proof and thanks to this great forum that POIS is 100% real !

Though i have seen many propositions going from Fenugreek to Rerola as remedies as well as POIS theories such as nerodrelanine and auto-immune diseases….one thing is sure not everybody is alike and in my opinion they might be more than one cause that are all inter-related and leading to the same problem yet all post orgasmic,,,,

Meanwhile,

I was wondering whether anyone has tried "black seed oil" (Nigella Sativa}  ?.....I personally take two large spoons of it just at the beginning of my symptoms and it seems to be a great boost overall; especially if combined with any light juice such as lemon or orange juice.....mostly if taken continuously in safe doses and in intervals...I noticed that it considerably decreases overall symptoms (I would say by 75%) as well as recovery time by half....(From one week to three days)… I watch out, since too much of it can cause kidney disease just like too much of anything,,,,,

Also, and as obvious as it might sound....through trial and error...I got to notice the great benefits of a sunbath for a couple of hours,,,,i have done some research and found that sunrays have great healing benefits on the endocrine and immune systems and are often underestimate from fear of skin cancers....it accelerates healing and recharges the body with energy and mood.....I personally have found sunbaths very beneficial in decreasing recovery time....and boost overall energy...of course that is not an option for those living in cold weather countries; unless they take a break to Cuba or Dubai after each POIS.... [8D]...


In addition ,I noticed again and through trial and error and some logic...that a fully loaded banana milk shake with some whey protein & bee pollen or honey greatly assists the body in recovering from the symptoms and mostly reduces compulsive eating disorder since ....Whey in particular has many immune friendly properties if taken in reasonable amounts as well as provides the body with fullness and satiety,,,, So I think you might have guessed it , on weekends while I am half dead on the side of the pool, I always ask for a fully loaded banana milk shake with HONEY PLZ! 

Anyway, I am personally a great believer that for every illness there is a cure….yet if the cure if not directly pointed out by God must be digged  out by humans….As such I  like many others have declared war against POIS and I am gathering every bit and piece from this forum  and going to present all of  it to my GP & endocrinologist on Monday,,,,,,(Already done some blood tests waiting for results,,,,) I will sure post anything relevant once I finish my diagnosis…..

Last but not least....I just would like to remind everybody about the great health risks that herb supplements can cause....especially in what concerns drug-herb and herb-herb interaction....I recklessly took an anti-histamine drug combined with a couple of herbs and almost died that day from my symptoms....also too many herbs can slowly kill your kidneys or liver without you noticing the early stage symptoms….and therefore too much trial and errors might have fatal consequences….

Finaly, I personally would like to thank the initiators of this forum including all those who shared their stories whether fully cured or not…..also special thanks to Girlwind for that great video on youtube,,,,I truly think that if each and every POIS sufferer including myself  does enough noise to create awareness for this life ruining illness,,,,,that media, specialists, doctors, health associations will look even more seriously into POIS and hopefully thrive to find us a clear concise definite answer and a cure that would cause all of us an orgasmic scream of joy !!

Kind regards,
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5554 on: 11/09/2009 23:19:32 »
demografx

is the levitra your taking just for erectile dysfunction or is it for pois, what dosage do you take? how and when do you take it.  i know that levitra dialates blood vessels and stimulates conversion of cyclic gmp.  it works on many other areas of the body, dialting consricted vessels in the lungs. 
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5555 on: 12/09/2009 00:10:23 »
Check out this : Bodybuilding.com Forums > More General Categories > Misc. > Why do people try to stop fapping?

Look up for the great posts by Devil_Z , I am sure the key to the solution is there,,,,

Z.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5556 on: 12/09/2009 04:16:20 »
Check out this : Bodybuilding.com Forums > More General Categories > Misc. > Why do people try to stop fapping?

Look up for the great posts by Devil_Z , I am sure the key to the solution is there,,,,

Z.

Can't find it, they may have taken it off or something, can you give us a link?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5557 on: 12/09/2009 05:15:24 »

demografx

is the levitra your taking just for erectile dysfunction or is it for pois, what dosage do you take? how and when do you take it.  i know that levitra dialates blood vessels and stimulates conversion of cyclic gmp.  it works on many other areas of the body, dialting consricted vessels in the lungs. 


Laurac, at one time I thought Levitra was "the cure" for POIS (for me). But I was taking testosterone injections at the time, so I might have misattributed what was working. Then the Levitra started to "fade" as a cure, but my testosterone use was also dwindling and then eventually discontinued.

Back then, and now, the primary reason for taking it was for ED.

Now, daily testosterone patches 15mg, appear to cure my POIS 75% to 90% per episode. Eight months since I've been on this treatment.

One theory I have is that - even if we're not low on testosterone, a boost might work nevertheless, for some people. I have just increased my dose 50%, with doc's approval. I just wrote to my endo to get his opinion on my theory.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5558 on: 12/09/2009 05:25:27 »

itsmebutwho? and Z_one, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!




Here are some POIS resources which may be helpful to you:

Our new POIS Information Website, built by "mat780", is here:
http://sites.google.com/site/poiswebsite/

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:

And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

POIS Research Study

We have a copy of the first and only study on POIS by Dr. Marcel Waldinger,MD and Dr. David Schweitzer, MD.

If you want a copy (PDF), send me a Private Message with your regular email address and I'll send you back the PDF.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around my name, i.e., "demografx".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition - that POIS has scientific underpinnings and that POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapist community. This can help fight the immediate reaction of some: IT'S NOT "ALL IN OUR HEADS"!

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum for over 2 years, which has attracted over 150 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, plus more than 350,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5559 on: 12/09/2009 05:26:56 »

itsmebutwho? and Z_one, this post might help you find information about POIS that we have already discussed, by tailoring a Google search to this forum:


SEARCH THE FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: over 2 years' worth of posts from 150+ Forum members, and an additional 150 POIS sufferers found on the Internet, but not on this forum.

In the Google search box, type
whatever-it-is-you're-interested-in-finding-out[space]POIS[space]site:http://www.thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
demografx POIS site:http://www.thenakedscientists.com/

and 1,000+ results came up for "demografx" within the Forum.

be careful with spaces (you can use them before the word "site") and no-spaces (everything after the word "site")

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. But Message #'s do change, so be patient and look for the approximate Message#.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5560 on: 12/09/2009 05:31:39 »

Testosterone does not help my pois. im on shots 2x a wk and my level is 789 but still have the symptoms after orgasms. I also take an estradoil blocker now, becuase T converts rapidly into estrogen. my level was 105 a year ago, so i assumed thats why i felt so bad after orgasm. It wasnt the answer. Im a 47 yr old male.


My injections didn't work well either and my endo explained that the injections "spike" then drop precipitously, which is why I was put on patches. Patches (worn 24/7) simulate the way testosterone naturally flows throughout the system steadily, rather than violently swinging up, down and out - as my endo believes is the case with injections.
 

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« Reply #5561 on: 12/09/2009 07:18:45 »

One theory I have is that - even if we're not low on testosterone, a boost might work nevertheless, for some people. I have just increased my dose 50%, with doc's approval. I just wrote to my endo to get his opinion on my theory.


Reply from my endocrinologist: "Blood levels may not reflect tissue sensitivity - so the only way to tell is to test that hypothesis."

What got me thinking about this is that 8 years ago, desperately seeking a cure for my POIS, I contacted a well-known sexology-researcher in Czechoslovakia, and his immediate reply to me - without knowing whether or not I was testosterone-deficient - was...."testosterone!"
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5562 on: 12/09/2009 15:00:50 »
demografx----
I have used androderm patches, but they did not work and  severly burned my skin. I also used compounded T and Testim, both DID NOT work and never boosted my T level like the injections do.Testim made me really nauseaous for days---terible product imo
I now do .375cc of T 2x a week and take a pill that blocks the conversion into estrogen. I seem to feel more manly and confident now and have tons of facial and body hair growth, which i never had before. I could try a higher dose, but i dont see it affecting the pois symptoms. It seems to mimic a depletetion of something, and then it slowly builds up over 1-2 weeks.

 

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« Reply #5563 on: 12/09/2009 15:41:50 »
Paulie, many thanks for sharing that! As I mentioned, my theory may only apply to some sufferers...or maybe none.

But I find it hard to believe that I'm the only one whose POIS can benefit from testosterone.

Paulie, can you please explain, "It seems to mimic a depletetion of something, and then it slowly builds up over 1-2 weeks."?

Thanks again!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5564 on: 12/09/2009 16:13:30 »
Does anybody have an idea towards why POIS is worse in the morning?  (at least for me)
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5565 on: 12/09/2009 21:33:51 »
well taking copper after an O doesnt help. even with ADD meds softening the blow. what a terrible week at work... even got taken before the boss for screwing up. what do you say to him? "uh sorry I got POIS after having an O last weekend" ROFL

well POIS has made it into a 2009 book about intimacy

http://books.google.com/books?id=88EU4S8BhtoC&pg=PT125&lpg=PT125&dq=post+orgasmic+illness+syndrome&source=bl&ots=AAF1fQY8Yk&sig=VjbIa3HEljV3UmQQ98xaEO_2XYw&hl=en&ei=if6rSrTWEZLSMuCm2PIN&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=29#v=onepage&q=post%20orgasmic%20illness%20syndrome&f=false

though after the mention of POIS she says "the usual cure" is to have more O's.

lol

(looks around naked scientists forums)

hmmmm i missed that "usual" cure somewhere....
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5566 on: 12/09/2009 23:07:28 »

Does anybody have an idea towards why POIS is worse in the morning?  (at least for me)


Mine's worse in the evening. My no-POIS/low-energy time is evening.

Maybe your no-POIS/low-energy time is morning?
 

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« Reply #5567 on: 12/09/2009 23:16:40 »

well POIS has made it into a 2009 book about intimacy

http://books.google.com/books?id=88EU4S8BhtoC&pg=PT125&lpg=PT125&dq=post+orgasmic+illness+syndrome&source=bl&ots=AAF1fQY8Yk&sig=VjbIa3HEljV3UmQQ98xaEO_2XYw&hl=en&ei=if6rSrTWEZLSMuCm2PIN&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=29#v=onepage&q=post%20orgasmic%20illness%20syndrome&f=false

though after the mention of POIS she says "the usual cure" is to have more O's.

lol

(looks around naked scientists forums)

hmmmm i missed that "usual" cure somewhere....


The author, "reuniting" aka Ms. Marnia Robinson, is a good friend of this Forum, she has been extremely supportive of us. Counterpoints and 1-2 others have reported the cure you mentioned, which is intermittent, i.e., it doesn't always succeed.

I just recently posted about the book:


Interesting new book

Marnia Robinson, aka "reuniting" has been a POIS Forum member for quite some time and has contributed quite a bit to us. She and her husband are world-class experts in sexual relationships. Her new book looks like it might give us some more insight into POIS:
http://www.reuniting.info/cupids_poisoned_arrow


                       
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5568 on: 13/09/2009 01:13:34 »

Does anybody have an idea towards why POIS is worse in the morning?  (at least for me)


Mine's worse in the evening. My no-POIS/low-energy time is evening.

Maybe your no-POIS/low-energy time is morning?

In the morning I wake up and just cannot "focus", and still feel like I'm dreaming for about an hour or two after I wake up.  No-Pois?  Sometimes when I wake up it feels like POIS has recharged itself during sleep, but so has my body.  Very awkward feeling.
 

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« Reply #5569 on: 13/09/2009 07:13:44 »

No-Pois?


No-POIS: meaning a day when we're not in-POIS or recovering, i.e., a "normal" day.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5570 on: 13/09/2009 11:58:25 »
URGENT DANDRUFF

Hi everybody,

I have posted a similar question several times but I haven't got a right answer.
I have a dandruff since a year ago. I have got some product and I can treat it easily. But after each ejaculation it comes back in worst way (some hours after the ejaulation). Please tell me if you have the same problem and could it be due to POIS.
Thanx
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5571 on: 13/09/2009 14:58:06 »
Thx "Demografx" and "B_Jim" for the welcome.....

"Goingcrazy" I tried inserting the link but the forum is not accepting it...maybe it's too long or something,,,,,though B_jim has successfully accessed it, therefore I don't think they removed it !


Z.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5572 on: 13/09/2009 17:20:29 »
I don't know if by chance or not, but stretching my neck out and rotating it circularly seemed to actually calm me down a bit during POIS.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5573 on: 13/09/2009 17:38:26 »
hmm a couple things in this I havent heard of, like ACTH-MSH peptides and opioid peptides

The neurophysiology of the sexual cycle.

from:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12834016

"The cycle of sexual activity in men and women occurs in 4 phases--excitation, plateau, orgasm, resolution--which are guided by sexual desire. Male sexual activity is characterized by erection, seminal emission and ejaculation (orgasm), whereas female sexual activity is characterized by vaginal lubrication, erection of the clitoris and orgasm. These responses are under the control of numerous central and peripheral neural systems. The central supraspinal systems are mainly localized in the limbic system (olfactory nuclei, medial preoptic area, nucleus accumbens, amygdala, hippocampus etc.), in the hypothalamus and its nuclei (paraventricular and ventromedial nuclei). Neural information travels through the brain stem, the medulla oblongata, the spinal cord and the autonomous nervous system to the genital apparatus. While we have very detailed knowledge of the neural mechanism, which controls the function of the male and female genital organs, in particular those mediating erection, very little is known of the central mechanism involved. Nevertheless, several neurotransmitters and neuropeptides, such as dopamine, glutamic acid, nitric oxide, oxytocin, ACTH-MSH peptides, are known to facilitate sexual function, while serotonin, gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA) and opioid peptides reduce it. At the level of the paraventricular nucleus a group of oxytocinergic neurons projecting to extra-hypothalamic brain areas, including the spinal cord, have been identified, which facilitate erectile function and copulation when activated and reduce both when inhibited. Although the majority of results, which have clarified the mechanisms involved, have been performed in males, it is believed that similar mechanisms are also operative in females."
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5574 on: 14/09/2009 01:35:26 »
any body ever try that querctin supplement, it is suppose to be antihistamine and help with energy. I think studies on it is still early though.
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/quercetin-000322.htm
 

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