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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5875 on: 23/10/2009 19:51:18 »
Anyone suggested starting a wiki yet?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5877 on: 23/10/2009 19:56:00 »

CC, everything I know is posted. After 3 years, you think we've missed some major non-posted references? If so, where would we, or anyone, start to look?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5878 on: 23/10/2009 21:25:04 »
nsf,
As I mentioned, temporary high blood pressure in the POIS state was a definite symptom for me, at least some of the times.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5879 on: 23/10/2009 21:52:23 »

I'm not sure I can contribute intelligently to the BP discussion, since I'm on (very effective) blood pressure meds.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5880 on: 23/10/2009 23:16:45 »

I believe a lot of cases of depression can be undiagnosed POIS.


I think goingcrazy would agree. I responded negatively to one of his posts about that, but maybe I was wrong.

    Maybe depression could be a big hoax, and it just really is POIS, but you never know.  I mean, why do you think they invented anti-masturbation devices in the past?  There's got to be some explanation towards it.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5881 on: 24/10/2009 03:45:49 »
i can ethier get low blood pressure and cognitive problems/brain fog or high blood pressure and anxiety.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5882 on: 24/10/2009 04:09:53 »
i put ".75cc im" of "T" into my system yesterday evening for test purposes. i usually test T after "O" once in a while, but i have not o'd in 10-12 days.  i felt good today cleaned my house, washed all dirty cloths, ect...  but i can still feel the horible simptoms lurking just under the surface, that are just being masked by "T" not cured.  the positive effects will start to diminish over the next day or two, but for now i will take advantage of extra energy.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5883 on: 24/10/2009 04:10:57 »

    Maybe depression could be a big hoax, and it just really is POIS, but you never know.  I mean, why do you think they invented anti-masturbation devices in the past?  There's got to be some explanation towards it.


The devices had to do with "morality" and enforcing someone's opinion of what constitutes 'good behavior' and avoiding 'evil behavior', not to heal depression.

I have a history of depression, and now that I'm wise to POIS, I'm sure that at least SOME of my past depressions were POIS-related, and I just didn't know it at the time.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5884 on: 24/10/2009 04:25:12 »

I put ".75cc im" of "T" into my system yesterday evening for test purposes. I usually test T after "O" once in a while, but I have not o'd in 10-12 days.  I felt good today, cleaned my house, washed all dirty clothes, etc...  but I can still feel the horible symptoms lurking just under the surface, that are just being masked by "T" not cured.  The positive effects will start to diminish over the next day or two, but for now I will take advantage of extra energy.


If no sex activity for 10-12 days, why are POIS symptoms "lurking"? Do your POIS symptoms last 2 weeks?

I feel there's a cure with T for me and it's somehow associated with speeding up sperm re-generation. But I can't prove it yet. Strong hunch. But even if worst case were true, and T is only "masking" symptoms, I'll take it. It's a cure for me.

These days, I'm functioning as a human being like I never did in my whole life. I never dreamed this was possible. And it's been holding now for about one year!

Today, Day Zero, was not as good for me as the last 5-6 times. A strong nap (over an hour) was necessary for me this afternoon to re-stabilize.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5885 on: 24/10/2009 13:18:49 »

I believe a lot of cases of depression can be undiagnosed POIS.


I think goingcrazy would agree. I responded negatively to one of his posts about that, but maybe I was wrong.
Maybe depression could be a big hoax, and it just really is POIS, but you never know.  I mean, why do you think they invented anti-masturbation devices in the past?  There's got to be some explanation towards it.
Definitely POIS is not the cause of all depressions but I believe that for me it was, directly and indirectly the cause.

About blood pressure I have 100/70 which is normal according to MDs. But in POIS I feel dizzy when I stand up too quickly. Probably this is orthostatic hypotension. When I searched for this I found it can be caused by this:

Another disease [cause]is called Dopamine beta hydroxylase deficiency, that is thought to be underdiagnosed also, that causes loss of sympathetic noradrenergic function and is characterized by a low or extremely low levels of norepinephrine but an excess of dopamine.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthostatic_hypotension

Since other pois sufferers have high blood pressure maybe this is not important.(or I'm in POIS stage V...)
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5886 on: 24/10/2009 13:28:50 »
About blood pressure I have 100/70 which is normal according to MDs. But in POIS I feel dizzy when I stand up too quickly. Probably this is orthostatic hypotension. When I searched for this I found it can be caused by this:

Another disease [cause]is called Dopamine beta hydroxylase deficiency, that is thought to be underdiagnosed also, that causes loss of sympathetic noradrenergic function and is characterized by a low or extremely low levels of norepinephrine but an excess of dopamine.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthostatic_hypotension [nofollow]

Since other pois sufferers have high blood pressure maybe this is not important.(or I'm in POIS stage V...)

Now THIS is interesting... I shall study that and try out some ideas.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5887 on: 24/10/2009 18:49:46 »
Welcome new sufferers .
We exceeded the number of 300 cases.
Hi, hurray. It's amazing that fenugreek helps you with social anxiety.    
It would be nice to talk about this with other social anxiety sufferers (Non-Pois).
Do you take 3 caps a day every day or just after ?
I will retry fenugreek extract after glutamine test.
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I had an orgasm 3 days ago and I catch a cold the day after... There is really something wrong with immune system.
The tempeartures are cooler here and I feel much more sensitive to cold during the first hours dispite I have no more fevers (8-15 hours later) or diarrheas (3-7 hours later)since i stopped sugar.



B_Jim, I agree with most of what you said. Thereís definitely a relation between having an orgasm and an immune system weakness. I usually get a cold after having an orgasm, mostly in winter.


I was wondering if you guys can please Pm me the outside reasearch that you have done.  i want links, books. I am going to start doing some extensive reasearch and i want to know where to start and what to skip.
I will start with alcohol+weightgain+immunesystem.
alcohol and weight gain were the two main things that change in my life when i noticed full effects of pois.


CCconfucius, Iíve been in good shape all my life, and I never drink alcohol more than just a few times a year and in very small quantities. So, in my case, you can discard the combo alcohol+weightgain+immunesystem.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5888 on: 24/10/2009 19:52:03 »

I put ".75cc im" of "T" into my system yesterday evening for test purposes. I usually test T after "O" once in a while, but I have not o'd in 10-12 days.  I felt good today, cleaned my house, washed all dirty clothes, etc...  but I can still feel the horible symptoms lurking just under the surface, that are just being masked by "T" not cured.  The positive effects will start to diminish over the next day or two, but for now I will take advantage of extra energy.


If no sex activity for 10-12 days, why are POIS symptoms "lurking"? Do your POIS symptoms last 2 weeks?

I feel there's a cure with T for me and it's somehow associated with speeding up sperm re-generation. But I can't prove it yet. Strong hunch. But even if worst case were true, and T is only "masking" symptoms, I'll take it. It's a cure for me.

These days, I'm functioning as a human being like I never did in my whole life. I never dreamed this was possible. And it's been holding now for about one year!

Today, Day Zero, was not as good for me as the last 5-6 times. A strong nap (over an hour) was necessary for me this afternoon to re-stabilize.
i have symptoms of adrenal fatigue/cognigitive dysfunction and insomnia all the time, out of pois just means my symptoms are better. i would still be sick even if i never o'd again, o'ing just makes my life even more unberable.  it is possible that my pois is a secondary symptom from some type of chemical deficit. i think of my body/physiology as being a working deficit.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5889 on: 25/10/2009 00:28:12 »
Laurac, I'm really sorry to hear about your condition. It sounds like "POIS+++" !
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5890 on: 25/10/2009 00:30:12 »

CC, everything I know is posted. After 3 years, you think we've missed some major non-posted references? If so, where would we, or anyone, start to look?

I think instead of thinking of pois as been caused by multiple things, we should look at it as sometthing caused by one thing.  In order to do that we need to find out what disorder can cause all the symptoms mentioned, major and minor.  And to find that out we need to go deeper in some of our reasearch.
I am going to start with immune system because i have already done hormone test and because of chemobrain,flu like symptoms and because it affects neuroendocrine and other parts of the body.

I think  this is caused by one thing because we are unique in the sense that this symptoms comes after orgasm.  
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5891 on: 25/10/2009 00:35:37 »
I was thinking what if it is not necessarily overproduction or underproduction of anything but lack of enzyme that breaks down a chemical produce after orgasm or a chemical always in our body.
 

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« Reply #5892 on: 25/10/2009 01:13:50 »
I was thinking what if it is not necessarily overproduction or underproduction of anything but lack of enzyme that breaks down a chemical produce after orgasm or a chemical always in our body.

I was reading an article about how alcohol is handled in our body.  In order to  eliminate it has to be changed to acetaldehyde through enzymes produced in the body.  This occurs in the Stomach and liver.  One of these alcohol dehydrogenase is produced more by men than women.  One thing that is interesting is that substances used for detoxification for alcoholics heavy use is very similar to those  used for erectile Dysfunction.  They work by inhibiting the chemical that is released at orgasm which causes the refractory period.  Didn't some report limited success with Levitra?
Ironically POIS has been called sexual hangover and some have reported simlar symptoms from alcohol consumption as after orgasm.  Perhaps  enzyme activity  needed to return the body to original balance is very similar.
 Maybe the difference between men and women could mean that Testosterone levels may play a role in production and release of these Enzyme(s).
Maybe it is a reach but we have had a wide range of theories.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5893 on: 25/10/2009 03:24:44 »
Does anyone get itchy skin on face and scalp, or muscles twitch in the noise area and face after "O".... I do and its annoying. Goes away if no "O" for about 7-10 days.... most annoying right after....

I know the itchy skin or the "bugs" or "ants" crawling on your face is a sign of MS... so I wonder if "O" might be affecting per-MS symptoms.... hope not.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5894 on: 25/10/2009 04:27:37 »
I have seen a few people reporting good results using antihistamines. Could any of the users tell how and when it is taken? I would like to try this. The last O i had, the awful fatigue and symptoms lasted 3weeks. It was terrible.
Also, I am happy some are getting results with Testosterone, but it was not the answer for me. I had a T level of 109 1 yr ago. I have been on injectable T, .375 dosage 2x a week for 12 months now. My level is now 896, which is excellent for a 48yr old man, but it has done nothing for the pois, just has increased libido. I have speculated that this was adrenal dysfunction also, but i have been on hydrocortisone for yrs, and a short trial of prednisone,and still suffering with pois.
I am currently doing a program[with my Dr.] of T shots, dhea, 5htp, and a drug that stops the conversion of T into estogen. so far, no change in symptoms, but I have had fatigue issues for years aside from the pois stuff, probably cause by lyme disease that went untreated for 25 yrs before it was discovered.
I am now leaning towards the theory that after O's, there is a release of histamine from the mast cells, causing some type of allergic reaction in the body. This may explain why some are benefitting from the use of antihistamines. Im am ready to try taking one, but am fearful of the pois for 3wks if this does not work.
Can you guys that have got results with antihistamines tell me what brand, and when you take them[before sex, after...] thx
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5895 on: 25/10/2009 10:33:01 »
has anybody checked for any kind of adrenal tumors, I think adrenaline just may be released too much after sex.  All my POIS is now is a rush of adrenaline and energy or something that keeps me up at night, thats why i'm posting here at 6 in the morning
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5896 on: 25/10/2009 19:56:48 »


I think instead of thinking of pois as been caused by multiple things, we should look at it as something caused by one thing.  


CC, if that's true, then in my case, the "one thing" causing my POIS would be hypogonadism, i. e., my body produces insufficient tosterone.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5897 on: 25/10/2009 20:41:59 »
I am sort of afraid that in my case that the answer may be quite simple and depressing

I doubt my answer would apply to any of you guys.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5898 on: 25/10/2009 21:58:42 »

Has anybody checked for any kind of adrenal tumors, I think adrenaline just may be released too much after sex.  All my POIS is now is a rush of adrenaline and energy or something that keeps me up at night, thats why i'm posting here at 6 in the morning


I do notice a rush of energy immediately afterwards, whereas the "normal" response for guys is to roll over and snooze.  ;D
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5899 on: 25/10/2009 22:01:40 »

I am sort of afraid that in my case that the answer may be quite simple and depressing

I doubt my answer would apply to any of you guys.


You never know. Please post it or PM one of us privately. We're all here to learn from each other! Maybe your answer will spark some new ideas!
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