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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6225 on: 29/11/2009 19:04:46 »

Demo,

Was your T low before using T-pacthes? And has it increased your sexual urges since using them?

Are you aware of the possible long term side effects of using T-pacthes?

    Acne; bitter or strange taste in mouth; change in sex drive; fatigue; gum or mouth irritation; gum pain; gum tenderness or swelling; hair loss; headache.

SEVERE side effects may occur when using Testosterone Patch:

    Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); breast growth or pain; change in the size or shape of the testicles; dark urine or light-colored bowel movements; depression or mood changes; dizziness; gingivitis; interrupted breathing while sleeping; loss of appetite; nausea; painful or prolonged erection; stomach pain; swelling of the ankles or legs; urination problems; weight gain; yellowing of the skin or eyes.


My answer is "yes" to all 3 questions. I have three questions for you: (1) What is your source for the above info? and (2) what percentage of users at what dose? and (3) how many patients were in this study group?

After one year with T-patches, me and my POIS are very happy. ;D Working with one of the top endo's in the country at a world class multi-billion dollar university research facility.

But thanks for your concerns!
 

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« Reply #6226 on: 29/11/2009 19:10:44 »

Hello Z_one
Can you tell me why do you think so? Because I had the same belief and discovered that it was only social and religious conditioning, that made me believe anything besides ejaculation is UNNATURAL. It was just a prejudice.

Anyway, I've never felt more healthy in my life and that's why I am quite confident it doesn't do any harm, though I can't guarantee this (didn't find any research).
 

1) Because semen is suppose to go out and you're holding it back,,,,,
2) By holding back semen you're inducing antagonist forces which will damage your prostate on the long run,,,,
3) Forcing semen backwards puts strain on your body rather than relieving tension and therefore might be dangerous for people with heart diseases and  high blood pressure....

As you can see there is nothing religious nor social in the above and it's purely biological!.....which is why I think it is Unnatural! As to you feeling healthy that might simply be due to the fact that you are with this technique avoiding POIS symptoms or due to an anecdotal evidence.......again that's purely my opinion and at the end of the day... you're certainly free to practice what you believe might be good for you !

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« Reply #6227 on: 29/11/2009 19:46:49 »

Demo,

Was your T low before using T-pacthes? And has it increased your sexual urges since using them?

Are you aware of the possible long term side effects of using T-pacthes?

    Acne; bitter or strange taste in mouth; change in sex drive; fatigue; gum or mouth irritation; gum pain; gum tenderness or swelling; hair loss; headache.

SEVERE side effects may occur when using Testosterone Patch:

    Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); breast growth or pain; change in the size or shape of the testicles; dark urine or light-colored bowel movements; depression or mood changes; dizziness; gingivitis; interrupted breathing while sleeping; loss of appetite; nausea; painful or prolonged erection; stomach pain; swelling of the ankles or legs; urination problems; weight gain; yellowing of the skin or eyes.


My answer is "yes" to all 3 questions. I have three questions for you: (1) What is your source for the above info? and (2) what percentage of users at what dose? and (3) how many patients were in this study group?

After one year with T-patches, me and my POIS are very happy. ;D Working with one of the top endo's in the country at a world class multi-billion dollar university research facility.

But thanks for your concerns!


When you say your T was low...do you mean close to lower normal range or below lower normal range?

Here's the link.....www.drugs.com/sfx/testosterone-side-effects.html     check it out....

As to your two other questions....I have no idea but you can always try contacting the authors of the website.....

Anyway...it looks that you're very content and confident in what you're doing....so wishing you continuing success!
« Last Edit: 29/11/2009 19:56:36 by Z_one »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6228 on: 29/11/2009 19:58:52 »
I was wondering ....how do you guys feel after exercising during POIS? Does it make your symptoms worse or do you feel better?
 

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« Reply #6229 on: 29/11/2009 20:24:48 »

Hello Z_one
Can you tell me why do you think so? Because I had the same belief and discovered that it was only social and religious conditioning, that made me believe anything besides ejaculation is UNNATURAL. It was just a prejudice.

Anyway, I've never felt more healthy in my life and that's why I am quite confident it doesn't do any harm, though I can't guarantee this (didn't find any research).
 

1) Because semen is suppose to go out and you're holding it back,,,,,
2) By holding back semen you're inducing antagonist forces which will damage your prostate on the long run,,,,
3) Forcing semen backwards puts strain on your body rather than relieving tension and therefore might be dangerous for people with heart diseases and  high blood pressure....

As you can see there is nothing religious nor social in the above and it's purely biological!.....which is why I think it is Unnatural! As to you feeling healthy that might simply be due to the fact that you are with this technique avoiding POIS symptoms or due to an anecdotal evidence.......again that's purely my opinion and at the end of the day... you're certainly free to practice what you believe might be good for you !


My rather worthless opinion and disorganized thoughts about this... :-)

1. This technique has been used literally for hundreds (thousands?) of years. This is not a new thing. It has been well developed in the East since at least 1,500 years.
2. Concerns for the prostate health is well understood and special "prostate exercises" are normally prescribed to make sure it remains healthy. If the prostate is not healthy to begin with the Taoist teacher will usually request that you clear up the problem before attempting to reach orgasm without ejaculating.
3. POIS success - I don't think it has much to do much with ejaculating per se - rather it has to do with the fact that practicing this type of sex does not bring a "down" or a "crash" afterward (so no lingering POIS). According to a Canadian sex therapist one man out of 600 does not have that "crash" after ejaculating. (I would like to see their brain scan!)
4, The lack of tension released is also recognized in the old texts and it is part of the teaching to make sure this abundant energy is used up with focused attention (martial arts, meditation, but also sports in general) to make sure the energy does not become anger or violence. (According to one teacher I had in Oriental medicine it was also part of the warrior training to build that intense energy - but that was just one of his stories, I have never read anything to confirm this)  
5. Using a book for experimenting and finding out if it is helpful or not is great. But for the long run it would be more cautious to find a teacher or a guide. Yes I believe it is possible to damage yourself if not done correctly . Just like many other things including yoga, tai chi, or even meditation - all activities known to be very safe.

 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6230 on: 29/11/2009 20:31:43 »
I was wondering ....how do you guys feel after exercising during POIS? Does it make your symptoms worse or do you feel better?

For me it seems that light exercises (stretching, Egoscue training, yoga, walking, lifting light weights, calisthenics...) are very helpful and get me out of the foggy state (at least to the extent I can work OK) but strenuous or aerobic exercises (running, bicycling, heavy workouts...) make me feel better immediately only to crash further down soon afterward. So I avoid strenuous exercises in POIS state. It feels good when I am out of POIS though.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6231 on: 29/11/2009 20:44:03 »
B jim  when you did magenisium test was it serum or RBC - which i think is red blood cell.   
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6232 on: 29/11/2009 21:03:43 »
I was wondering ....how do you guys feel after exercising during POIS? Does it make your symptoms worse or do you feel better?



For me it seems that light exercises (stretching, Egoscue training, yoga, walking, lifting light weights, calisthenics...) are very helpful and get me out of the foggy state (at least to the extent I can work OK) but strenuous or aerobic exercises (running, bicycling, heavy workouts...) make me feel better immediately only to crash further down soon afterward. So I avoid strenuous exercises in POIS state. It feels good when I am out of POIS though.

I agree strenuous exercise makes my symptoms worse as well.,,,,,man don't tell me you're comparing "Dry orgsam" to "Yoga"!!! Are you serious??



  Just kidding.... ;D
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6233 on: 29/11/2009 21:36:47 »
Quote from: Z_one
1) Because semen is suppose to go out and you're holding it back,,,,,
2) By holding back semen you're inducing antagonist forces which will damage your prostate on the long run,,,,
3) Forcing semen backwards puts strain on your body rather than relieving tension and therefore might be dangerous for people with heart diseases and  high blood pressure....

As you can see there is nothing religious nor social in the above and it's purely biological!.....which is why I think it is Unnatural! As to you feeling healthy that might simply be due to the fact that you are with this technique avoiding POIS symptoms or due to an anecdotal evidence.......again that's purely my opinion and at the end of the day... you're certainly free to practice what you believe might be good for you !

Hey, thanks for answer

1)How do you know it is suppose to go out every time if we don't have a purpose to impregnate?
2)Any research to prove this?
3)This is crucial. This is why most people think it's unhealthy. THERE'S NO STRAIN ON MY BODY. I wrote that IT IS RELIEVING TENSION. It's not the same as stopping just before orgasm like many still think. I thought I made this clear. YOU REACH ORGASM! (Did you really read my previous posts?)

I didn't want to attack your opinion. Just wanted to make you think that maybe you've been taught about this your whole life by people who didn't even know about any other option.

Knowledge of sex is still really poor. Fact that it's the topic we shouldn't talk about has its reflection in science. Friends, erotic movies and porn - this is where most of our beliefs about sex come from. No wonder most people never heard about orgasming without ejaculation and think it's something unnatural (after years of programming their bodies that "semen has to go out").

I can see your belief is strong, so I won't try to convince you anymore.

Anyway, here's something I found:
1) newbielink:http://www.hps-online.com/tsy4.htm [nonactive]  - Article about losing your semen and its effects on health. It has spiritual character but still very interesting ideas. I especially liked the part about comparing ejaculation to blood donation.

2) newbielink:http://www.vasectomy-information.com/moreinfo/reabsorb.htm [nonactive]  - This is for those who don't believe in SPERM BEING REABSORBED by the body. The same thing happens when you have vasectomy and it doesn't do any long term harm. Actually, even if you ejaculate some sperm still stays inside and being reabsorbed.

I'm just curious. Is anyone here inspired enough by my posts and guide to start the practice? (Besides one person who wrote me private message)

 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6234 on: 29/11/2009 22:08:10 »
Apparently it is possible to reset the immune system by two extreme procedures....the first is bone marrow transplantation and the second is plasmapheresis.....though both are not without complications (sometimes life threatening),,,,they have been last resorts in treating all kinds of autoimmune diseases when the patient had enough living with drugs....i'll do some additional research on  alternatives to possibly reset the immune system,,
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6235 on: 30/11/2009 01:08:46 »

you're very content and confident in what you're doing....so wishing you continuing success!


Thank you very much, Z_one.

It was curious to see that you didn't include the opening statement from drugs.com about "side effects":

"All medicines may cause side effects, but many people have no, or minor, side effects."

"Many" is often 99%. And we don't know if the other 1% is causative or associated.

One person in 10 years could report something! And we don't really know if the T caused it.

Also, "problem" patients are usually identified and taken off the drug immediately.

Thanks again for your concerns, though.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6236 on: 30/11/2009 01:48:22 »


As to your two other questions....[what percentage of users have these side effects and at what dose? and how many patients were in this study group?], I have no idea but you can always try contacting the authors of the website.....[emphasis mine - demo]


Z_one, since you are putting forth these warnings IN BOLD LETTERS AND UNDERLINED,


SEVERE side effects may occur when using Testosterone Patch:


I would suggest that it's your responsibility - not ours - to check these very, very basic facts before you publish "dire warnings" about testosterone patches. A treatment that could save lives. As it did mine.

Please consider this next time posting. Thanks.
« Last Edit: 30/11/2009 02:17:24 by demografx »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6237 on: 30/11/2009 01:58:16 »

semen is suppose [sic] to go out


You have evidence for this?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6238 on: 30/11/2009 03:26:37 »
has any body tried low dose , i am getting a prescription tomorrow.  it appears to be a wonder drug for many different aliments.
 

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« Reply #6239 on: 30/11/2009 03:29:37 »
correction, "low dose naltrexone", it got edited out during spell check
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6240 on: 30/11/2009 04:35:50 »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6241 on: 30/11/2009 04:43:15 »

semen is suppose [sic] to go out


You have evidence for this?

Okay, guys... can we not argue the purpose of semen? We should all know that semen is meant for procreation, and that procreation and the resulting replication of genes is the most important thing to our bodies. If that were not the case then our bodies would simply shut off their sexual aspect instead of allowing us to orgasm to our detriment.
"dry orgasms" or whatever may be a useful tool in avoiding pois, but it certainly isn't a cure.

now I have a few questions. we all talk about our symptoms frequently, but I want to get some insight into how we all are when we feel our best, so we can find any other correlations.

when you're at your best (non pois):

are you more introverted or extroverted?

active or sedentary?

what is your stress level (judged on a scale 1 to 10)?

how often are you hungry?

what is your stool like? (tending towards diarrhea, constipation, or average)


I know these questions are pretty out there but I've been reading up on imbalances of the autonomic nervous system and I want to see if we relate in that way.


 

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« Reply #6242 on: 30/11/2009 06:18:18 »

Waldinger's POIS paper now available by Private Message

Thanks to Martin (Martin88), we no longer have to use your regular email address to send you Dr. Waldinger's 2002 POIS paper!

We can enclose it now within a regular private message. Just send me a request for it and I'll get it right back to you.

To follow copyright rules, you can re-send it or give it to someone, just don't post it publicly or mass distribute it.

Thanks, Martin!

 

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« Reply #6243 on: 30/11/2009 06:19:57 »


semen is suppose [sic] to go out


You have evidence for this?


Okay, guys... can we not argue the purpose of semen? We should all know that semen is meant for procreation


exponent, why are you trying to stifle a legitimate question? Or are you just wanting to move more rapidly on to your agenda? Sure, we all know about the procreation ABC's. Since 5th grade. But what about non-procreation? It's not that obvious that non-procreative sexual activity (the largest part by far) absolutely requires semen emission. Far from it!


"dry orgasm"...certainly isn't a cure


Why not? A male wishes to father *5 babies? OK, = 5 (successful) emissions of semen, = 5 POIS episodes, and then for the lifetime remainder: switch to non-emission sex!........Amazing how quickly you dismiss something that, although it would take some Western tweaking and adjustment in thinking, has worked for thousands of years in the East!

If we don't find a universal chemical cure, it might be the only cure!


The number *5 is simplified. Obviously it can take a number of attempts to successfully impregnate. The point of the exercise is proportional sex: procreative sex vs non-procreative sex over a lifetime.
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« Reply #6244 on: 30/11/2009 08:18:27 »


As to your two other questions....[what percentage of users have these side effects and at what dose? and how many patients were in this study group?], I have no idea but you can always try contacting the authors of the website.....[emphasis mine - demo]


Z_one, since you are putting forth these warnings IN BOLD LETTERS AND UNDERLINED,


SEVERE side effects may occur when using Testosterone Patch:


I would suggest that it's your responsibility - not ours - to check these very, very basic facts before you publish "dire warnings" about testosterone patches. A treatment that could save lives. As it did mine.

Please consider this next time posting. Thanks.


My responsibility? I am not even the one putting T patches....  Moreover I have posted the whole link....what more do you want?

It seems every time someone has an opposite view,,,,a bunch of people jump on him trying to shut him up!

First you attack me now you're attacking exponent! Who's next?

I am starting to wonder whether the rules on this forum go hand in hand with so called freedom of speech and democracy......

And as I speak Iam already expecting a retaliation,,,,,very encouraging indeed!,,,, [8D]

 

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« Reply #6245 on: 30/11/2009 13:19:37 »

When you say your T was low...do you mean close to lower normal range or below lower normal range?


,,,besides you forgot to answer one of my questions.

Thx.
 

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« Reply #6246 on: 30/11/2009 16:24:54 »
I have another question for everyone - does anyone experience "derealization" during a POIS episode?
 

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« Reply #6247 on: 30/11/2009 19:55:14 »
Z_one, no sir, this is not retaliation, there are no attacks here, and no one is silenced here (what you refer to as "shut them up"), with the one exception of spammers, i. e., advertisers.

There is really no need to be defensive.

As moderator, I simply request that readers here have a fair and balanced view. Please re-read my words!  I never suggested to not show side effects of testosterone, but the way it's highlighted comes across as "dire warnings.", i. e., unnecessarily negative. And the 2 questions you didn't know the answer to are questions that were asked of you to back up your "dire warnings".

You say you posted drugs.com verbatim, but I pointed out that you didn't; you  omitted a big clarifier: that many people experience no side effects!

Democracy? Free speech? Please! Expect to be challenged if the facts are not portrayed accurately.

Z_one, I thank you and I very much appreciate your participation here. And I do apologize if my tone has come across as harsh at times. It is not intentional.
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« Reply #6248 on: 30/11/2009 20:43:02 »

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6249 on: 30/11/2009 20:49:32 »


I have another question for everyone - does anyone experience "derealization" during a POIS episode?


Yes, I have experienced it and, many others have reported the same. Here are some previous posts to look at:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=derealization+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6249 on: 30/11/2009 20:49:32 »

 

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