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« Reply #6500 on: 02/01/2010 17:32:52 »
daveyboy,
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...the formula is having alexander technique (try 3 different teachers before you start) and reflexology BOTH every week, within a couple of years your'll be free from it- when you are an expert in ther alexander technique 100-150 lessons. both will deal with the 'flight or fight' mechanism that no drugs can help with. alexander technique eventually allowed me to figure out psychological reasons causing my pois, an operation to have an undescended testicle lowered when I was a child. having such a trauma on my testicle at such a young age was bound to cause pois for me.

Any method that acts to reduce physiological response to stress will be beneficial to people with anxiety disorders. If anxiety was the source of your POIS then this solution makes sense. Mild anxiety is probably one type of orgasm aftereffect that affects certain people. Many of us have experienced physiological reactions that we perceive are beyond what mere anxiety can create, and so we don't view these stress reduction techniques as solutions. Consider someone trying to repair diabetes with the Alexander Technique, it may help them cope with the disease but won't be a cure. So while this technique may have worked for you, it may sound overtly simplistic to those who have more extreme reactions.

if i understand you correctly, you getting impression my pois wasnt that severe or full-on, all i can answer that is by saying it was. 15 years of it. when you say mild anxiety it was much more than that, very deep rooted causing years of poor movement. i cant visualise a worse case than me but there you go.
i personally dont like the word 'cure' because it sounds like an outside influence is magically changing you. but it is case of taking the alexander technique as far as you can, even a diabetes sufferer will suffer from poor movement who will benefit greatly in correcting it. poor movement and diabetes go hand in hand. once you gain conscious control of your movement, the natural chemicals in your body start to work as they should. but cure? more like 'control' is better word.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6501 on: 02/01/2010 17:51:22 »
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if i understand you correctly, you getting impression my pois wasnt that severe or full-on, all i can answer that is by saying it was. 15 years of it. when you say mild anxiety it was much more than that, very deep rooted causing years of poor movement. i cant visualise a worse case than me but there you go.
 

What exactly were the symptoms that you had??

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i personally dont like the word 'cure' because it sounds like an outside influence is magically changing you. but it is case of taking the alexander technique as far as you can, even a diabetes sufferer will suffer from poor movement who will benefit greatly in correcting it. poor movement and diabetes go hand in hand. once you gain conscious control of your movement, the natural chemicals in your body start to work as they should. but cure? more like 'control' is better word.

It seems you are suggesting that a diabetic can correct the "natural chemicals" by performing this Alexander Technique. If so, I think most people would consider that a cure. Can you provide any support for this claim (anecdotal or not) that this technique can "control" diabetes?
« Last Edit: 02/01/2010 17:56:31 by John21 »
 

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« Reply #6502 on: 02/01/2010 18:40:37 »
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if i understand you correctly, you getting impression my pois wasnt that severe or full-on, all i can answer that is by saying it was. 15 years of it. when you say mild anxiety it was much more than that, very deep rooted causing years of poor movement. i cant visualise a worse case than me but there you go.
 

What exactly were the symptoms that you had??

Ok, after an orgasm for me meant worse back ache, shoulder ache/hand, hot wrists, blocked nose, cold nose, ichy eyes, sweaty type skin, ichy back, painful toes, severe red tip on tongue, depression, ED.
lasted probably around 6-7 days, 2nd day generally worse but many times Id get a migraine on 3rd day requiring 24hrs to recover from.
Although I had the signs of it in my teenage years it grew into a real problem from the ages of 20-28.
I started going to alexander technique because of back pain which by then was daily regardless of an orgasm. My old physio suggested it and I had no expectations of it helping the POIS which it didnt until at least 1/1/2 years into it. Im now 30.
Yes, I consider myself to be an expert on true POIS recovery- which is why I delibrately write in arrogant manner about what I know works.

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It seems you are suggesting that a diabetic can correct the "natural chemicals" by performing this Alexander Technique. If so, I think most people would consider that a cure. Can you provide any support for this claim (anecdotal or not) that this technique can "control" diabetes?
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yes,
http://www.alexandertechnique.com/articles/diabetes/
i remember seeing this video on youtube by the same chap-
hope this helps
« Last Edit: 02/01/2010 19:12:13 by daveyboy »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6503 on: 02/01/2010 19:40:39 »
daveyboy,

I used to experience full blown symptoms but now my symptoms are usually quite mild and sometimes non existant. I rack my brain trying to explain why, but my currently I am wondering if it could be caused by a nutrient deficit or requirement, possibly Mg or B9. My symptoms were the most extreme when I used to drink milk (although I do still consume milk products such as yogurt and cottage cheese), and recently seemed to improve with certain foods that increase nutrients such as Mg and B9. Is it possible that your diet has changed such that you might actually be benefiting from this, rather than the biofeedback method?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6504 on: 02/01/2010 20:34:45 »
a realtime chat will be nice we can organize better if decided to do bigger and better things( which we should).
In order to make new forum sucessful we need more ideas and to get more ideas we need more people.  I say we start an agressive publizization over the internet.

Dean93 what do you need help with. 
« Last Edit: 02/01/2010 20:44:21 by CCconfucius »
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6505 on: 02/01/2010 20:41:18 »

well ive been experimenting a bit lately... returning to an old habit i had back when i was younger... smoking! i had long quit before going abstinent, but uhm yeah thanx to the U.S. govt banning clove cigarettes, which was my poison of choice, I decided I better go out and get a pack before there are none left. (making something illegal because of a FLAVOR? thats a whole other discussion but damn if that doesn't smack of socialism).

And you know what I found? For those of you having trouble maintaining 100% no-NE's, I've noticed with myself that smoking a cigarette GREATLY reduces any and all urges related to sex. I smoke just one cigarette, and it's like shutting off the valve for a day. Im not saying it's entirely HEALTHY to do so, but it is something to consider in your quest to maintain zero O's.

oh and Happy New Year =) may this be the year that POIS gets national if not worldwide attention! =)


Defsync, fascinating concept! Isn't it a shame that we once again have to consider non-benign alternatives to alleviate POIS?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6506 on: 02/01/2010 20:51:22 »

yep, i did leave 'you could' by accident. appologies.
it was more a statement directed at everybody.

because using biofeedback is an 'air tight' safe way of knowing if any therapy is working, in addition to how good it feels on your health.


I can't prove it with biofeedback, but my experience is that even after a complete physical checkup that tells me "I'm ok", the very next day I could be a "very sick man"! (With POIS of course)

And just 2 short weeks ago, my recent emergency open heart surgery proves my point once again (to me, at least). I was "A-OK" physically, but until a 2-3 minute little "heartburn" that my WIFE (not me) insisted that I check out, with a very specific test called an angiogram was conducted, I was utterly shocked to find out that I was on death's door step! and in emergency need of quintuple bypass + complications!!!

We need a POIS-O-Meter !!! John, if you let me join your Popeye Collective, I'll split the profits with ya! ;D
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6507 on: 02/01/2010 20:59:51 »

a realtime chat will be nice we can organize better if decided to do bigger and better things( which we should).
In order to make new forum sucessful we need more ideas and to get more ideas we need more people.  I say we start an agressive publizization over the internet.

Dean93 what do you need help with. 


It's 1:00 PM Pacific Standard Time. Anyone wanna join me @ the Chatroom? Don't worry, I showered and brushed my teeth ;D
http://pois.freeforums.org/new_chat.php?sid=349e52c86483fbb56f8c9363fdf52a71
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6508 on: 02/01/2010 21:19:07 »
daveyboy,

I used to experience full blown symptoms but now my symptoms are usually quite mild and sometimes non existant. I rack my brain trying to explain why, but my currently I am wondering if it could be caused by a nutrient deficit or requirement, possibly Mg or B9. My symptoms were the most extreme when I used to drink milk (although I do still consume milk products such as yogurt and cottage cheese), and recently seemed to improve with certain foods that increase nutrients such as Mg and B9. Is it possible that your diet has changed such that you might actually be benefiting from this, rather than the biofeedback method?

ok, I would say definitely definitely not. Ive always eaten very healthy and tried many diet changes and herbs etc during the dark days.

It took a psychological discovery/and then a massive release, to allow my nervous system work freely, allowing my head to bounce freely on my neck, to allow the senses to work through an orgasm, to gain good posture, to gain proper ejaculation control and no pois symptoms.

when I say 'and then massive release' Im talking a couple of years of trying to 'let go' and function properly through this deep rooted fear. It was long and frustrating but ultimately very rewarding.
During the time of trying to release this fear, it kind of felt like when you have got a scratch and you just cant reach it, or a bit a food stuck in your mouth you cant reach with your tongue! I found reflexology hit the spot and helped the process. Basically, its frustrating waiting for your muscles to open up and release, but you know eventually your'll get there. when you do it is worth the wait.

Within the alexander technique world it is the belief that all chronic health problems stem from deep rooted fears that effect the nervous system and then posture- Although I would have dismissed this awhile back I now believe this theory 100%.

But I must make one thing clear. I never used Biofeedback training to help, I used it to give me EMG muscle and temperature readings (and other health print outs) on very periodic occasions. Alexander technique is in a way using the body's natural biofeedback system though.

It was suggestion for anyone wanting scientific evidence that their chosen therapy is working (although they should feel it!).

The biofeedback practitioner was a big fan of the alexander technique so he didnt mind.

I think the moderator just wants me to go away so unfortunately I dont think Im going to be able to answer many more questions.
I only jumped back on this forum after being alarmed that someone was thinking about being chemically castrated which is utter madness!!!!!! i remember thinking like that but you've got try all the options.
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« Reply #6509 on: 02/01/2010 22:50:42 »
Happy New Year 2010 to everyone here :)
I really wish POIS sufferers will all go forward this year.

I'm about to try fenugreek , PS and few other supplements mentionned here, I'll report the results.

I agree with Thisforumrocks that NE are reduced when I'm eating less.
Also I think I was recently helped for NEs with a part of PRZ method (Kegel exercises only).

I think not eating much might be true, i have been eating less and no NE for a week, hopefully. I also do something else, if this sucess continues i share the information. 
 

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« Reply #6510 on: 02/01/2010 23:03:10 »
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We need a POIS-O-Meter !!! John, if you let me join your Popeye Collective, I'll split the profits with ya!

Honestly, we do. I'll start drawing up plans and ordering parts. 60/40  ;D
 

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« Reply #6511 on: 02/01/2010 23:33:07 »

I think the moderator just wants me to go away...


Not true!

I see huge improvement in the form of give-and-take. Keep in mind that we have had true disrupters here from time to time, with massive hidden agendas and not-in-the-least-interested in exchanging ideas. It's not always easy to identify early on, and in some cases waiting way too long - giving people more and more leeway - has proven detrimental to the forum.

So I apologize if I've been too hasty!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6512 on: 02/01/2010 23:36:18 »

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We need a POIS-O-Meter !!! John, if you let me join your Popeye Collective, I'll split the profits with ya!


Honestly, we do. I'll start drawing up plans and ordering parts. 60/40  ;D


A deal! ;D
 

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« Reply #6513 on: 02/01/2010 23:45:27 »
My 2nd Cure?

Well, I half-expected it.

My very first post-surgical episode was.....100% POIS-free! (Up from 90% before).

Two possibilities: (1) the placebo effect and (2) after quintuple bypass surgery, I am still often very exhausted (but not the same as "POIS-exhausted"). However, the now-beautiful-blood-and-oxygen-streaming-properly throughout my system makes me feel 40 years younger!!

Prior to surgery, the least bit of exhaustion (just walking upstairs) put me out of breath...and nauseous! So perhaps one of the key requirements for healthy O might simply be proper oxygenation and circulation?!

All too simple...Time will tell! ;D

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« Reply #6514 on: 03/01/2010 03:03:31 »
a realtime chat will be nice we can organize better if decided to do bigger and better things( which we should).
In order to make new forum sucessful we need more ideas and to get more ideas we need more people.  I say we start an agressive publizization over the internet.

Dean93 what do you need help with. 

CC, thank you for your support and offer to help. I'll pm you.
 

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« Reply #6515 on: 03/01/2010 09:11:51 »
I like the circulation/cardiovascular idea demo and I sometimes wonder about pois sufferers heart health. RE: OXYGENATION- I was in the hospital a few weeks ago and the blood oxygen light sensor on my finger indicated all was well, although it gave higher readings with deep breaths(if you are looking for better oxygenation for heart/brain/muscles/relaxation/etc.). Obvious I know, but most people do not tend to concentrate on their breathing as it is automatic. I wonder if one of these instant oxygen readout machines would indicate a fluctuation instantly after O or while in pois in general vs while out. That would be hard to test without a machine at home :o

JOHN21- RE DIET INFLUENCE
 I am also very interested in the influence of nutrition on pois whether it be B9 Mg or whatever. My pois is still terrible but not as bad as it once was and I wonder if dietary intake, gut health, and nutrient uptake has had an impact on it.  

DEAN- In this new forum area I propose that we have a section for pois sufferers to simply record what they are currently eating large volumes of and taking for long term supplements and medications. Others could then view the info and make their own conclusions/inquiries/research/comments/chat.

Example TFR! NO JOKE/APPROXIMATE:
             90% of intake is TURKEY,
                              CHEESE(mostly swiss),
                              SPINACH(cooked and raw),
                              FRESH PINEAPPLE(some papaya),
              5% ICE CREAM            
              0% WHEAT, BARLEY, RYE
              Long term supplements: DAILY FISH OIL, VITAMIN D3 1000iu daily
              I drink mostly water, little of anything else.
              Minimal eating in evening/before bed in attempt to mitigate NEs

              I am part of the "popeye club" :D and I do not recommend 0% WHEAT, BARLEY, RYE :P. I simply feel it is necessary for my health. I do not know if ice cream is a net positive or negative for my health. I can not say for sure if the diet has any impact on pois. You can make your own judgments on this odd compilation.

Is this concept of sharing pois sufferers dietary staples/principles in a section of the new forum area of interest to anyone else? Is it even possible?  
« Last Edit: 03/01/2010 09:45:14 by THISFORUMROCKS! »
 

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« Reply #6516 on: 03/01/2010 10:31:15 »
TFR,
I think it is a good idea, if it could be implemented in a way that is easy to read. I would add a comment on roughly how long you have been on this diet, and indicate what might be new in it.
 

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« Reply #6517 on: 03/01/2010 16:43:45 »

Yes, I consider myself to be an expert on true POIS recovery- which is why I delibrately write in arrogant manner about what I know works.


Do you realize how RIDICULOUS that sounds??? Even if you truly understand your own POIS, that gives you ZERO EXPERTISE in understanding OTHERS' POIS, especially since we're all different and have come to learn, SLOWLY,  that there are many and variegated forms of POIS!!!
 

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« Reply #6518 on: 03/01/2010 16:51:19 »

I like the circulation/cardiovascular idea demo and I sometimes wonder about pois sufferers heart health. RE: OXYGENATION- I was in the hospital a few weeks ago and the blood oxygen light sensor on my finger indicated all was well, although it gave higher readings with deep breaths(if you are looking for better oxygenation for heart/brain/muscles/relaxation/etc.). Obvious I know, but most people do not tend to concentrate on their breathing as it is automatic. I wonder if one of these instant oxygen readout machines would indicate a fluctuation instantly after O or while in pois in general vs while out. That would be hard to test without a machine at home :o


Let's put this to a test!

Any ideas how, anyone?

 

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« Reply #6519 on: 03/01/2010 17:54:16 »
More on chat.   
I say if we are going to initiate a chat we should do a about two weeks earlier and tell day an time we want to do it.  It will be helpful so we can decide wheter the topic is important and so we can get alot more people on it.
 

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« Reply #6520 on: 03/01/2010 19:18:33 »
TFR, so you mean like a personal log? That's a great idea, I'll try to figure out a way to implement it.

About scheduled chats, CCconfucius, I also think that's a great idea. Having a chatroom is worthless if there's never more than one person in it.

Thanks to everyone who has signed up at the forum, and thanks for all of your ideas.
 

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« Reply #6521 on: 03/01/2010 20:06:57 »
A forum for member logs is up at the forum. We'll have to standardize a way to organize them as time goes on.
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« Reply #6522 on: 03/01/2010 21:37:16 »
I really have to commend Daveyboy on his theories. He may not have been on this forum for a while, but he certainly has been investigating the mechanisms of POIS for a long time.

His findings resonate with me the best. A while ago I posted a theory (that wasn't heeded to) about muscle tension during orgasm, and how it persists afterwords. For me, I tense my abdominal muscles (and probably more than that) during orgasm. HOWEVER, when I made a note to relax throughout orgasm and the days after, letting my belly relax, symptoms of this disease were much lesser.

Please listen to Daveyboy. The mind-body, emotion-posture connection is 100 percent real and pervasive in our health.
 

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« Reply #6523 on: 04/01/2010 01:09:47 »
Great idea about a new forum with more structure. As a new member, it has been a bit hard to get all information.
I really think it's important get the old members to approve and submit to the new forum.

Will hopefully post my personal log in the new forum. Right now I'm trying Relora as suggested by many, but I have just started and are still waiting for results. ;)

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« Reply #6524 on: 04/01/2010 03:15:48 »
Another good point, sweden.

Thankfully, the 5 members that have decided to join are all members who have pretty much been here since the beginning. Actually, the very beginning (Thanks John!). And you're right, it's pointless to try to do anything without them, so I can only hope that more of the '07 members will join and that other members will follow their example.

Additionally, if you're someone who has been reading this forum, for however long, please introduce yourself, at either forum, and share your experiences! We can never have too many members or too large a base of sufferers. Thanks.

Ill be working on the other forum. Hope to see you there.
 

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