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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6875 on: 27/02/2010 23:08:15 »


Hi!

Any ideas, what do You think? ->

http://www.reuniting.info/science/articles/acute_dopamine_depletion_causes_psychological_distress

Regards


Coreman, I just discussed your post with the author of the article, Ms. Marnia Robinson (a friend of our Forum), who just wrote a new book that includes many interesting aspects of POIS and even mentions our Group! http://www.amazon.com/Cupids-Poisoned-Arrow-Harmony-Relationships/dp/1556438095

She writes back:

"Someone on the POIS forum found that abstract once before. It does imply (to us) that low dopamine may be behind some of the the stress of some folks' POIS. Not much more you can say...."

Thanks for bringing it up, Coreman.

Graphic From Ms. Robinson's article: "Dopamine Depletion" :D

                 

Yup, I think we've all been there!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6876 on: 27/02/2010 23:09:18 »



There is also an "Ezine" article called "H Pylori Can Lead To Vitamin B12 Deficiency" but I can't link to it for some reason. Here is the text:
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H Pylori can cause an individual to have a Vitamin B12 deficiency. It is also a known contributor to gastritis, ulcers, and it can prevent to stomach from being able to absorb the Vitamin B12 you consume. According to the information on the PCC Natural Markets website, an infection of Helicobacter Pylori, especially in adults will lead to a deficiency of Vitamin B12.

One study has found that 56% of those with H Pylori are also anemic due to a lack of Vitamin B12. Taking care of the H Pylori has shown that blood levels improve and Vitamin B12 are higher for 40% of those who have been infected. Some other studies indicate that H Pylori and a Vitamin B12 deficiency are definitely linked. However, eliminating H Plyori doesn't always mean the body will be able to have a higher level of Vitamin B12. Therefore it is important to have it carefully monitored.

A study regarding the effects of H Pylori on Vitamin B12 levels can be found in the archives of Internal Medicine (Vol. 160, No. 9, May 8 of 2000). This study involved 138 individuals who were diagnosed with both anemia and a Vitamin B12 deficiency. Each individual in the study completed a Gastrointestinal Endoscopy to determine how severe the atrophic gastritis was. A biopsy was conducted for Campylobacter organisms and a complete medical history was documented. The diagnosis of H Plyori resulted in a combination treatment.

The study determined that H Pylori was found in 77 of the 138 patients (56%). They H Plylori infection and the anemia both improved with the assistance of Vitamin B12 supplements in 31 (40%) of the individuals. Therefore, it is reasonable to state that H Plylori is linked to a Vitamin B12 deficiency.

The results of various studies have shown that H Pylori damages the stomach cells which prevents it from successfully absorbing the Vitamin B12. Taking care of the H Pylori will help with the level of Vitamin B12 but not in every case. It is therefore essential that you have your Vitamin B12 levels checked at routine intervals if you have ever had H Pylori.

You can also find more info on flaxseed oil and requirements for omega. OmegaFlaxSeedOil.com is a comprehensive resource to help individuals gain the benefits of essential nutrition such as flax seed oil, omega 3 and vitamin B12.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6877 on: 27/02/2010 23:58:02 »

John, I've been battling nausea and other GI probs for over 10 years. Maybe this track you're on can help explain....nothing else seems to!!! (except maybe psych meds)
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6878 on: 28/02/2010 04:03:36 »
John,
Regarding the carbs:
in POIS each time I eat cereals in the evening I have very bad symptoms during the night, like intoxication.
I'm improved a lot with proteins.
The problem doesn't appear when eating potatoes (carbs) instead of cereals. Also my glycemia when I wake up in this state is 4.8mmol/l, very normal. Eventually this is happening because of carbs + something else in cereals. I thought maybe gluten...but oats and rice are also causing the problem. So I'm still trying to understand!

About b12, it's possible I have a deficiency because I had taenia when I was young. I tested when I was 24 and my blood test for b12 was normal. However I agree blood test is not reliable so I don't know. One year ago I took (in POIS) one pill of b12 1000mcg (methylcobalamin under the tongue) and had like pain in the nerves, so I stopped.
Before that I tried 50mcg/day for weeks without success.



 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6879 on: 28/02/2010 05:15:59 »

New Theory

H. pylori (Helicobacter pylori)

Symptoms

1. Anxiety

2. Depression

3. Fatigue / Low Energy


I wonder if this could apply to my lifelong abnormal reaction to exercise?? Those are my 3 symptoms. Anxiety predominates, a feeling analogous to someone pouring a gallon of caffeine down my throat.


And could H. pylori be the root cause of my sleep difficulties?


And..sleep-related (circadian rhythm?), I wonder if this could somehow relate to my unusually extreme jet lag reactions? My jet lag symptoms were so severe that they finally derailed my career, which heavily depended on intercoastal travel. I finally had to simply quit flying. Melatonin helped, but not enough.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6880 on: 28/02/2010 10:21:23 »
martin88,
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The problem doesn't appear when eating potatoes (carbs) instead of cereals. Also my glycemia when I wake up in this state is 4.8mmol/l, very normal. Eventually this is happening because of carbs + something else in cereals. I thought maybe gluten...but oats and rice are also causing the problem. So I'm still trying to understand!

This is exactly what I have just noticed. I am perfectly fine with potatoes as well, but not with some cereals. Could it be that there is H pylori in me that likes certain cereal meals?

My new daily plan will include:

Minimun bread, stay on salads
Raspberries with yogurt after supper
Supplements: Grapefruit seed extract, Manuka honey

PS (I messed up last night and bought grape seed extract, d'oh!)
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6881 on: 28/02/2010 10:38:54 »
I think seafood esp MUSSELS, prawns, crab sticks make me feel good.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6882 on: 28/02/2010 11:23:53 »
Dopamine:

I took cabergoline for a period of almost two months. It suppresses prolactin production and increases dopamine.

I have mentioned that in the last few years, when I've eaten sugary food, I've gotten extremely hungry, developed a headache, and have had trouble concentrating.  This was cured by the cabergoline.

Overall: Cabergoline made sexual experiences more enjoyable, and seemed to decrease the 'withdrawal' period I have mentioned.  But it did not (obviously) prevent onset of POIS.

So dopamine, for me, at least, is not an immediate miracle cure.  It does seem like it could be worth further experimentation though, if I go through all of my experiences in detail.

I notice that Dr. Selywn Dexter's patient tried bromocriptine, which is somewhat like cabergoline in what it does, and he did not have success with it.

So for me, and likely others, the dopamine/prolactin link is probably not the primary mechanism of POIS onset.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6883 on: 28/02/2010 12:13:52 »
I should note that David Hompes is not a doctor. Here is his background from his website.

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Qualifications & Experience
David received his B.Sc. in Sports Sciences and Geography (specialising in Disease Ecology) from Loughborough University, UK. As a post-graduate, he studied the effects exercise on hormone production with Dr. Keith Stokes, as well as completing a Masters degree in Sports Science, again at Loughborough University. He also worked as an exercise assessment analyst to the England rugby union team.

David developed a successful personal training business in London, UK, before moving into Clinical Nutrition and Functional Medicine. He studied Nutrition and Lifestyle Coaching with the C.H.E.K. Institute in San Diego and the Metabolic Typing System of nutritional therapy with Healthexcel, before completing a six-month intensive training in Clinical Nutrition & Functional Medicine with Dr. Daniel Kalish, D.C.

About David’s Practice
David offers the following services, which when integrated serve to support healing and ongoing wellness:

•Laboratory-based assessments (hormone balance, digestive infections and function, liver function, toxicity, vitamin and mineral deficiency)
•Nutritional supplement programs
•Diet and lifestyle counseling
•Exercise counseling, including rehabilitation and weight loss programs
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6884 on: 28/02/2010 18:07:53 »
martin88,
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The problem doesn't appear when eating potatoes (carbs) instead of cereals. Also my glycemia when I wake up in this state is 4.8mmol/l, very normal. Eventually this is happening because of carbs + something else in cereals. I thought maybe gluten...but oats and rice are also causing the problem. So I'm still trying to understand!

This is exactly what I have just noticed. I am perfectly fine with potatoes as well, but not with some cereals. Could it be that there is H pylori in me that likes certain cereal meals?

My new daily plan will include:

Minimun bread, stay on salads
Raspberries with yogurt after supper
Supplements: Grapefruit seed extract, Manuka honey

PS (I messed up last night and bought grape seed extract, d'oh!)
you should to your antimicroorganism with some oliveleaf extract, like matsoda said it is powerfull antivirus and antibackteria. The oil is to expensive but it comes in pill form up to 20% stanard extract olueopropein, and you are suppose to use at least 200 mg of oleoupropein.


Am trying it the moment i get through all the doctors i made appointment with.

do you guys think something antiviral and antibacteria can affect hormone level, that is the only reason why i havnt tried it.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6885 on: 28/02/2010 22:33:52 »
What a monster thread! I am using the search function to try to nibble away at it.
I am wondering if this group has ever discussed their family medical histories, looking for common points, particularly autoimmune diseases?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6886 on: 28/02/2010 23:17:19 »

Merrilee, do you have POIS?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6887 on: 01/03/2010 00:14:32 »
Cconfucius,

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you should to your antimicroorganism with some oliveleaf extract, like matsoda said it is powerfull antivirus and antibackteria. The oil is to expensive but it comes in pill form up to 20% stanard extract olueopropein, and you are suppose to use at least 200 mg of oleoupropein

I do have 500mg capsules of olive leaf extract, and it contains 6% Oleuropein. I will give it a try. Today I bought some Manuka honey and ordered some grapefruit seed extract, mastic gum, and rhubarb root extract.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6888 on: 01/03/2010 01:00:57 »
In absolute seriousness, I think there may be some promise in consuming all of one's ejaculate.

If you want sources, I can go and get them, but here are my findings:

A few accounts of people feeling "high" from eating/drinking it, one even said it keeps them passionate in life. Several have noted its antidepressant qualities, and if I can recall correctly, there are studies to prove that.

Of course, the practice is congruent with several ancient belief systems, Taoism being the most well-known.

Beside protein and important minerals such as zinc, there are very beneficial chemicals called "glycoproteins," testosterone, dopamine, and precursors to various hormones such as adrenaline and a few others of importance that we've been recently discussing on this forum.

Again, I'm asking people to please withhold judgement, based on any sort of taboo around drinking one's own semen.

Has anyone tried this? I think I may soon take the leap of faith and try it, at the risk of entering POIS again, for the first time this year.
 

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« Reply #6889 on: 01/03/2010 02:39:26 »
Please don't shoot down my idea without any backup info or personal experience. Thanks.

The taoist philosophy is that semen contains lots of chi-vital energy.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6890 on: 01/03/2010 02:41:33 »
daveyboy, I think you're right, that was my unfortunate experience, after years of trying to develop Taoist "chi" into a POIS cure. In my case, "dry" simply diverted semen, then emptied it into the bladder, then went out the chute while urinating.

Followed agonizingly by full blown, ugly POIS symptoms that marched onward cruelly for 4 days...

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a shred of empirical evidence for the existence of chi energy. Wish I knew that when I was spending 10 useless years chasing phantom chi philosophy with so-called "Masters", such as Mantak Chia and others!

But RhythmSpring, I'm willing to be proven wrong! Show us some hard evidence.

Interesting forum discussions on "Scientific evidence for 'chi' ":
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=1961301 (scrollup to top)
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=35562
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6891 on: 01/03/2010 03:38:39 »

Merrilee, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!




Here are some POIS resources which may be helpful to you:

Our new POIS Information Website, built by "mat780", is here:
http://sites.google.com/site/POISwebsite/

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:

And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

POIS Research Study

We have a copy of the first and only formal medical investigation on POIS by Dr. Marcel Waldinger,MD and Dr. Dave Schweitzer, MD.

There are 2 ways to get it: (1) if you want a PDF copy, send me a Private Message (PM) with your regular email address (use "AT" instead of "@" ) and I'll send you back the PDF. Or, if you prefer, (2) I can simply reply with a Private Message (no regular email needed) and provide you with a simple text version embedded in your PM.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around my name, i.e., "demografx".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition - that POIS has scientific underpinnings and that POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapist community. This can help fight the immediate reaction of some: IT'S NOT "ALL IN OUR HEADS"!

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum for 3 years, which has attracted over 150 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, plus well over 500,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6892 on: 01/03/2010 03:41:16 »

Merrilee, this post will help you find information about POIS that we have already discussed, by tailoring a Google search to this forum:


SEARCH THE FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: 3 years' worth of posts (over 7,000 posts!) from 150+ Forum members, and an additional 150 POIS sufferers found elsewhere on the Internet by Member B_Jim.

In the Google search box, type
whatever-it-is-you're-interested-in-finding-out[space]POIS[space]site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
demografx POIS site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

and 1,000+ results came up for "demografx" within the Forum.

be careful with spaces (you can use them before the word "site") and no-spaces (everything after the word "site")

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. But Message #'s do change, so be patient and look for the approximate Message#.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6893 on: 01/03/2010 04:01:54 »
Demographx:
I appreciate your openness despite your disappointment with pursuing an energy cure. (Hmmmm energy... as opposed to matter? Isn't matter composed of energy and vibration?)AHEM anyway...

I guess I'll have to be a pioneer. Anybody willing to try it with me? It really doesn't taste that bad... Just one fell gulp!

EDIT: I can't find the POIS chat...
EDIT: If I found it, it looks like just another forum. What about a live chat? Is that there?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6894 on: 01/03/2010 04:13:00 »
This is exactly what I have just noticed. I am perfectly fine with potatoes as well, but not with some cereals. Could it be that there is H pylori in me that likes certain cereal meals?
John,
potatoes seem easier to digest (soft food). Maybe undigested cereals cause fermentation with intoxication... Hope we'll find the real cause of this problem. When I eat cereals in the morning I tolerate better. It seems I can't digest while sleeping. 

About H Pylori, article from wiki:
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An article in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found evidence that "ingesting lactic acid bacteria exerts a suppressive effect on Helicobacter pylori infection in both animals and humans," noting that "supplementing with Lactobacillus- and Bifidobacterium-containing yogurt (AB-yogurt) was shown to improve the rates of eradication of H. pylori in humans."

 CC, a virus can affect hormone levels.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6895 on: 01/03/2010 05:06:01 »

EDIT: I can't find the POIS chat...

Live Chat. Is that there?


Yes it is. My apologies, RS, there are some difficulties tonight, trying to fix them right now.

edit: since I first used it, changes are such that it might not be worth using their chat. I deleted my previous posts regarding chatroom. Thanks for your patience!!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6896 on: 01/03/2010 17:03:21 »
RS,
The Taoist 'dry orgasm' philosophy is not same as ejaculating then drinking it.

Anyway, its my opinion that it is not semen loss which is the problem.
More the amount of 'inbuilt' muscle rigidity/hence fight or flight during orgasm/foreplay/, which then causes the hormone imbalance etc.
I cant see how drinking your semen will help release your muscles but its up to you.
(in fact it sounds totally absurd to me, whats your partner gonna think?).


a) I specifically said: ...please withhold judgement, based on any sort of taboo around drinking one's own semen.

b) I'm not going to entertain your assertions as long as you have not tried this yourself, or heard of others trying it.
 

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« Reply #6897 on: 01/03/2010 18:26:23 »
i wasnt basing my judgement around a taboo, i was basing it around the fact i cant see how drinking your semen will release your muscles.
as i say, its up to you.

1 way to find out...
 

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« Reply #6898 on: 01/03/2010 18:39:18 »
1 way to find out...

That's the spirit. Talking about what could be does nothing.
 

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« Reply #6899 on: 01/03/2010 19:14:02 »
rather you than me.
 

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