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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7350 on: 16/04/2010 06:19:22 »
I don't know if I've mentioned this but I have switched the bed I sleep in to a more "firmer" one.  I now sleep through the night which was not too common on my old bed.
 

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« Reply #7351 on: 17/04/2010 00:13:23 »
Is there going to be any chat? Over on Delphi. Think that would be http://forums.delphiforums.com/POIS/chat .
It's 7 PM EDT now. 4 PM west coast... a little early there yet!
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7352 on: 17/04/2010 00:51:25 »
Counterpoints :
Thanks. You describe Pois "Like having a fever" on post-olympe.
And so you find allergy to peanuts and adrenaline shot are 3 different things and different feelings ?

The symptoms of POIS are different than the symptoms of a fever (for me), but POIS is like a fever in the way it comes and goes.

The allergy to peanuts does not feel like POIS.  Also, the shot of adrenaline does not give me POIS symptoms -- in fact, usually I can think clearly afterwards.  I have sometimes thought that maybe adrenaline would help lift me out of POIS, but I think this is unlikely.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7353 on: 17/04/2010 03:32:17 »


Is there going to be any chat? Over on Delphi. Think that would be http://forums.delphiforums.com/POIS/chat .
It's 7 PM EDT now. 4 PM west coast... a little early there yet!


It's 7:30 PM West Coast, heading over there now.
http://forums.delphiforums.com/POIS/chat
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7354 on: 17/04/2010 03:39:37 »

Frequent naps

These have always helped me in POIS.

I just woke up from a nap and feel "10X better" than before the nap (It's Day Zero).

If this helps anyone else, I wonder if napping can be explored further? Even resting with eyes closed helps. An obvious idea just came to mind, one of artificially induced napping, with a doctor's supervision? Could be dangerous, I suppose. Anyone have any thoughts about this?
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7355 on: 17/04/2010 05:02:22 »
CCconfucius : I'm sorry and disappointed for your bloodtest.  If hormones and immune system tests are normal, the nervous system is the cause. Don't be discouraged.
Is it possible to have more details about your test ? (CRP, histamine immunoglobulin ? )

i dont have results in my hand nurse only told me over the phone, hopefully i can get next week.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7356 on: 17/04/2010 05:07:53 »

bm303, welcome! How long do your symptoms last?
Typically 1 day at a severe level then it progressively gets better. I am not sure that POIS is the cause though considering I do have chronic EBV which causes similar symptoms, but it seems like they are heightened after reaching orgasm.

How do you deal with EBV, do you use an antivrus or like i read in internet you just let body immune system take care of it.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7357 on: 17/04/2010 05:54:47 »
Naps do wonders in and out of POIS.  I think there just goood all around.
 

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« Reply #7358 on: 17/04/2010 17:39:13 »
Actually yes, the night following eating 1 pack of strawberries, the brain fog was definitely a lot worse (this would have been my anxiety/depression crappy feeling if I O'd recently, but as time passes for me it ends up being this physical fog in my head), and in the following morning. 
Than I ate another box and that following night is when I had my breakthrough, I felt like some pathway was cleared, followed by that morning the brain fog was gone.  i just want this feeling to stay, or maybe I'll just eat strawberries the rest of my life lol. 
Sorry about not explaining about this because I actually really wanted to I just kept going on about the strawberries.

This has me confused.. sorry. Could you detail a little more the events related to the orgasm. For instance all was after the orgasm right? the first box when, day 0, 1? And then the second box, seemed to clear things up the morning after taking it the second evening.

Could you note: day N 1st box: crappy, day N+1, second box, morning after great!
What is the value of N?

Sorry for the question, but it's important to know which day of the following cycle was affected by which stimulus, and when. The idea being that maybe day 3 for instance you would already be getting better anyways, etc. etc.

I have found that by putting things in a data base, the relationships of consuming something compared to the "nomal cycle" are more important and evident.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7359 on: 17/04/2010 17:46:25 »
My database is more or less ready, but I still haven't dedicated to writing the interface. There are two parts to the interface, the entering data part and the visualization part. Graphs are best, for seeing cycles after moment "0", but it difficult on a graph to indicate the contributing/influencing factors.

Presentation in table form is easier and includes all data better, but is not as visual.

Graphs take more programming effort, so I will probably do that later, so the first pass will be with tables.

With tables though it's a cinch (SP??) to export to Excel, I can include a button for that, and then most of you should be able to create graphs once it's in Excel.

But it's still gonna take a bit more time to get the otiginal interface programmed.

 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7360 on: 18/04/2010 06:15:27 »
Actually yes, the night following eating 1 pack of strawberries, the brain fog was definitely a lot worse (this would have been my anxiety/depression crappy feeling if I O'd recently, but as time passes for me it ends up being this physical fog in my head), and in the following morning. 
Than I ate another box and that following night is when I had my breakthrough, I felt like some pathway was cleared, followed by that morning the brain fog was gone.  i just want this feeling to stay, or maybe I'll just eat strawberries the rest of my life lol. 
Sorry about not explaining about this because I actually really wanted to I just kept going on about the strawberries.

This has me confused.. sorry. Could you detail a little more the events related to the orgasm. For instance all was after the orgasm right? the first box when, day 0, 1? And then the second box, seemed to clear things up the morning after taking it the second evening.

Could you note: day N 1st box: crappy, day N+1, second box, morning after great!
What is the value of N?

Sorry for the question, but it's important to know which day of the following cycle was affected by which stimulus, and when. The idea being that maybe day 3 for instance you would already be getting better anyways, etc. etc.

I have found that by putting things in a data base, the relationships of consuming something compared to the "nomal cycle" are more important and evident.


No problem.  I hadn't O'd for about two weeks, but I always wake up with what I call brain fog.  A physical feeling of fog in my frontal lobe (note the f's lol).  So without O'ing for about 2 weeks, I bought those 2 packs of strawberries.  I ate the first pack around 8-9 p.m. woke up the next morning with more than normal brain fog.  The next night I felt like my brain was cleared pretty much all of a sudden.  I hadn't orgasmed between any of this.

Since I felt like my brain was clear I O'd and experienced no symptoms.  N+1, the day after, all i had was a little headache.  N+2 I was pretty much 100%.

Most recently (yesterday) I O'd 3 times (I know I don't want to blow it but I had to).  This time I experienced no symptoms except for a bit of tiredness, but it was a good "tiredness" like a relaxed feeling that is what I would call normal after sex, especially 3 times.  So no POIS out of 3 O's, which is usually rediculous for me, I came out alive and had no POiS whatsoever.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7361 on: 18/04/2010 07:59:32 »

I'm not sure how POIS-effective this Strawberry Drink was the other day, but it sure tasted great!


              
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7362 on: 18/04/2010 08:12:44 »

...Strawberries contain histamines. I wonder if histamines didn't increase the strengh of my symptoms last time. I would like Underwater came back on this forum :)


B_Jim, I hope you don't mind, I PM'd this to "Underwater", which he should receive by email, including my note saying that he's missed! Maybe he'll come back.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7363 on: 18/04/2010 11:31:17 »
Strawberries

GC, I hope that strawberries work for POIS as well. I am wondering if the big servings you ate acted to reduce homocysteine levels. Could it be that homocysteine levels are skyrocketing in POIS? Reduction of homocysteine would explain the anti-POIS effects of all the foods that help me: bilberries, blueberries, spinach, garlic. I don't know of anyone on this forum that has had their homocysteine levels checked in POIS.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7364 on: 18/04/2010 13:53:30 »
Most recently (yesterday) I O'd 3 times (I know I don't want to blow it but I had to).  This time I experienced no symptoms except for a bit of tiredness, but it was a good "tiredness" like a relaxed feeling that is what I would call normal after sex, especially 3 times.  So no POIS out of 3 O's, which is usually rediculous for me, I came out alive and had no POiS whatsoever.

So the strange part was the reaction after the first box. It's as though it was revving something up in your system and draining you in that moment. Once your system as at RPM, more strawberries just kept the system going.

Strange huh? But something seems to be working!

 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7365 on: 18/04/2010 21:06:23 »
Strawberries

GC, I hope that strawberries [nofollow] work for POIS as well. I am wondering if the big servings you ate acted to reduce homocysteine levels. Could it be that homocysteine levels are skyrocketing in POIS? Reduction of homocysteine would explain the anti-POIS effects of all the foods that help me: bilberries, blueberries, spinach, garlic. I don't know of anyone on this forum that has had their homocysteine levels checked in POIS.

N1 John you hit the nail on the head .. the strawberries contain alot of folic acid which help lower homocysteine levels  which rocket after orgasm .. how do i know .. do a  homocysteine blood serum after the big O and most likely it will be way over the top range just like prolactin goes skyhigh after the big O for POIS sufferers which then causes chain reaction lowers dopamine and testosterone giving you the classic brain fog,zombielike state, lack of focus concentration attention, social withdrawl POIS symptoms.

If the strawberries are helping you then one could also test folic+Cysteine amino acid urine test+b12 serum. Mines were very low near the bottom range actually Cysteine was below the lowest range hence my sky high homocysteine levels.

B12 methyl not cyano sublingual form, NAC and vitamin C helps lower homocysteine levels/regulate methalaytion pathways.This helped additionally to the hormone balancing in curing my POIS which I first wrote about on Pg4 of this thread.

One mans food is anothers poison/one thing may help you but may make the other worse so i would HIGHLY recommend testing blood urine etc before starting anything.

My doc is one of the best in this field in dealing with  homocysteine/under/overmethyalation pathways has helped alot of people in this area.

The homocysteine rush after orgasm would explain the inflammation we POIS sufferers experience :

http://www.cerefolin.com/ [nofollow]

 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7366 on: 18/04/2010 22:50:42 »

AOL article: "Libido Enhancers"

Could asparagus and truffles possibly help POIS?
http://www.aolhealth.com/condition-center/mens-sexual-health/increase-libido
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7367 on: 18/04/2010 22:52:12 »

Hi, all. Anyone wanna chat? It's about 3:00 PM Sunday afternoon, Pacific Time, USA - C'mon over, we can just have fun getting to know each other better, trade POIS horror stories and solve other World Mysteries;D - demo
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http://forums.delphiforums.com/POIS/chat

If I'm quiet, don't leave, I'm just taking a potty break or something :D


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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7368 on: 19/04/2010 00:04:40 »
My way of supporting homocysteine theory, i have always notice that eating lots of beans helps me recover within a week instead of week and half and also help me get full recovery. Today i looked on online about beans and found out it is 35-45% folate, so may be there is something here.

 

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« Reply #7369 on: 19/04/2010 00:07:43 »
We wait one or two months more and if different berries still help your Pois symptoms, I will add them to the Pois remedies topic. This topic is obsolete and need to be updated and some remedies should be deleted if no positive report (Alpha20C...)

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My current theory is this has to do with the histamine released from the mast cells in the genitalia that are supposedly responsible for the involuntary contraction of smooth muscle tissue during orgasm. Me thinks the histamine is causing the symptoms because my brain is unable to remove it through methylation of the histamine molecule and then oxidizing the result (which is how yer brain gets rid of histamine). The 3rd known Histamine receptor in the brain mediates the release of neurotransmitters such as dopamine and norepinephrine. I think perhaps I have a deficiency in not histamine-N-methyltransferase (methylates histamine) but diamine oxidase (oxidizes the result), so the histamine is turned into N-methylhistamine and then collects in great quantities causing the POIS, until it's finally oxidized properly after 4-5 days. If I wasnt first being methylated, I believe my symptoms would be more like an allergic reaction, with more physical reactions rather than mostly cognitive.


I dont think we should delete any theory because we dont have enough of them in first place. 
not everybody has tried those theories and when new pois sufferer i think they should have a good list to go through since we can conclude that our body acts differently.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7370 on: 19/04/2010 03:46:17 »

Dave23, you asked about Levitra. Fairly complex answer, the main complexity being my possibly misattributing POIS effectiveness to Levitra, when it really "belonged" to the testosterone injections I was taking in that period. So rather than take up a lot of posting space to repeat everything discussed in your absence, here are the POIS forum posts on Levitra.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=levitra+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com&rlz=1W1DAUS_en&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=467c3568f2eec009
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« Reply #7371 on: 19/04/2010 05:57:33 »
Well I did not want to post anything here until I had at least 3 weeks of testing in place. I thought I would give it a go again and cut out caffeine and MSG. Caffiene I had tried a few times to cut out, but made a discovery that de-caf can be only 60-70% less caffeine so all my prior tests were no good. And chocolate! another one I did not know. So now no tea, coffee, or chocolate, or soda with caffeine....

I was taking on most days 1-2 tea or coffee and a caffeine soda once a day on average, nothing really intense. (and then unknown MSG and just a little chocolate now and again, but I had a feeling I might just be ultra sensitive)

Now the good news, my POIS is dramatically reduced, 70-80%, but not perfect.... but this could take a while for my system to adjust to the new de-caf me....

Still some headaches, a little flu like, but most of the horrible brain fog and odd sensations in my head, are gone. Still a little fatigued, but again not near as bad....

As for MSG this is much harder to avoid and might be the reason I am not totally OK yet.

MSG and Caffeine are both stimulants, so I think I am, at least for me, on the right track. I will keep you informed in another few weeks.

All the best to everyone.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7372 on: 19/04/2010 10:36:38 »
Dave23,

Do you have homocysteine test results that are out of range?
 

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« Reply #7373 on: 19/04/2010 13:51:59 »
POIS-SUFFERER, best wishes with A Decaf Life!





I tried that many times (sometimes on doctor's orders!), and found just the opposite: I now find that my daily regimen one-cup-caffeinated coffee + low-dose stimulants helps my POIS!

Yet another example of how we are all different!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #7374 on: 19/04/2010 17:39:19 »
MSG and Caffeine are both stimulants, so I think I am, at least for me, on the right track. I will keep you informed in another few weeks.


Personally I haven't had much ill effect from caffeine, but MSG is a big one! A known dose of MSG for me can produce at least 8 hrs of brain fog and wierd pulsations in the head. With it comes an enhancement of the physical symptoms. The brain seems to be more aware of the physical trauma.

As you said, it's hard to avoid MSG, unless you stick to natural foods and don't add much in the way of enhancements, other than onions, garlic etc. Salt seems OK for me too. I like to buy sea salt, feels more natural !?
 

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