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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #750 on: 26/06/2008 20:01:41 »
Here's the note I just sent to Dr William Timmins at Bio Health Diagnostics:

Dear Dr. Timmins--I'm writing to you regarding a forum that I've been part of on the issue of POIS (post orgasmic illness
syndrome). This is syndrome that seems to be more common in men, though there are also women (like me) who have it.
POIS is characterized by lingering exhaustion, brain fog, and flu-like symptoms that occur after orgasm and last up to 2
weeks. We are looking for someone to investigate this syndrome, and to help us identify the cause and find a cure. Can you
please help us? Most of us have been dismissed and disregarded by the doctors we've attempted to get help from. We need
to find a health prof. with an open mind and heart to help us solve the puzzle of this confounding exhausting syndrome.
The forum link and discussion is below.        thanks
 

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« Reply #751 on: 27/06/2008 02:58:25 »
pyropeach: there definitely is hope for you to "grow out of this".

That's an important point; best to be confident that whatever underlying combination of processes are causing POIS (which is itself just a transient process) will eventually cease. Being optimistic and anticipating life free from POIS is definitely an option we all have.

Also, the existence of a collaborating group, the internet, modern medical techniques, etc, dramatically improves the probability of asking the right questions and eventually finding effective treatments. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to remain hopeful.
 

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« Reply #752 on: 27/06/2008 05:14:54 »
There have been cases of complete POIS recovery.  Unfortunately, once someone recovers they probably don't feel compelled to help others (anyone who recovers has to promise to let us know all about it! :) ).

...  In fact, this last year I was close to 100% recovery.  I still no longer suffer from brain fog (on most occasions), and I know how to remedy that symptom in the case that I do.  The other symptoms have returned somewhat -- I would describe them as a feeling of being in great withdrawal -- but they are also improving.

Counterpoints: I'm pretty sure I'd remember if I had read about cases of complete recovery; are you assuming that these 100% recovery cases exist based on your own experience of near 100% recovery?

If so then intuitively I might agree, because there are times when my symptoms seem almost negligible. But from time to time I get clobbered badly for about a week. So I consider myself at risk and try to minimize the risk of a rogue episode impacting on 'normal' life.

I will consider myself 100% recovered when I know that having an orgasm has not, at any time in the previous few months (perhaps more like 6 to 12 months), resulted in any degree of brain fog, or persistant myalgia, dizziness, fatigue etc.

With all due respect to the technique you discovered for treating brain fog, I don't consider you to be free from POIS, and I doubt you are free from risk of a relapse. I think your technique could be an important clue to what intiates and sustains POIS. As you say;

The Orgasm Cure
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If anything, perhaps this 'good orgasm' effect will help us learn more about the underlying cause of this problem: how could the *severe* symptoms that follow one orgasm be alleviated by a subsequent orgasm?

Also, I promise to post here if I find out about causes and/or a cure (or potential cure). I can't see myself leaving people to endure the debilitating effects of POIS unnecessarily.

good luck  :)
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #753 on: 27/06/2008 05:52:00 »
One thing I am absolutely secure, when I have an orgasm I feel almost inmediately that something weird happens in my stomach. I feel like my organism whants to sweep stomach contents to intestine, and that get manifested with fatigue and bad mood. I think that may be some substance poured inside by the orgasm mechanism produce this effect. The process I described it last few days and it is acompanied by other common Pois symthoms that I think are result of that process. And not necessarly having diarrea, it is not my case, I start to get very constipated, wich it helps to get worse others symthomps, like to much fatigue, headaches, swollen nose, greasy nose, sweats, get hungry, specially need for sugar foods somethimes or big meals, little of acne, hard hair hard to comb, among many others.
I told you i feel nothing in my stomach after orgasm but this is false. In fact i'm always hungry after. I found something perhaps related to what you've said . I have a book (not scientific) about health where they say that sexual abstinence is necessary for people with "weak sympathetic nerves". These nerves are linked with orgasm, adrenals, stomach and many others parts of the body. Possibly the hormone ghrelin play a role (depletion) in the stomach after orgasm . Additionnaly this hormone has an action on the brain. (hypophysis).

Ghrelin
Filed under: Peptide Hormones admin @ 12:14 pm
Ghrelin is a hormone produced in the human body. It is produced and secreted by the P/D1 cells lining the fundus of the stomach. Ghrelin is classified as a peptide hormone.
Secretion and Production

Ghrelin is produced and secreted by the P/D1 cells lining the fundus of the stomach. The fundus of the stomach is responsible for stimulating appetite, and ghrelin seems to have a role in appetite control. In fact, ghrelin levels are higher in individuals of average weight than in obese individuals. Additionally, ghrelin stimulates the secretion of somatotropin from the anterior pituitary gland.
Pharmacological Uses

Ghrelin was first discovered in 1999. While a synthetic human form of ghrelin is not yet available, it is being researched, and its effects are being tested. Some of the potential medical uses of a ghrelin drug include obesity treatment and use as substitute for somatropin, the synthetic form of somatotropin. Additionally, some studies have shown that ghrelin may have some effect on learning and memory.
 

I was telling you to masticate food because i saw in a medical book that it's good for acne. Also when i do this I feel my mind is more clear.

Again, my english is not very good because i'm french, i'm not always sure if i say the right thing. Sorry for that. I like this forum more than the french that's why i'm here .
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #754 on: 27/06/2008 06:04:42 »
Here's the note I just sent to Dr William Timmins at Bio Health Diagnostics:
Thanks Girlwind, I hope we'll have an answer, good or bad.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #755 on: 27/06/2008 07:10:29 »
Counterpoints: I'm pretty sure I'd remember if I had read about cases of complete recovery; are you assuming that these 100% recovery cases exist based on your own experience of near 100% recovery?

If so then intuitively I might agree, because there are times when my symptoms seem almost negligible. But from time to time I get clobbered badly for about a week. So I consider myself at risk and try to minimize the risk of a rogue episode impacting on 'normal' life.

I will consider myself 100% recovered when I know that having an orgasm has not, at any time in the previous few months (perhaps more like 6 to 12 months), resulted in any degree of brain fog, or persistant myalgia, dizziness, fatigue etc.

sparx, there have been cases of 100% recovery.  You will see references to this if you read this thread from the beginning again.  Someone (with POIS) was given Zoloft for depression.  Supposedly it did not cure the depression, but there was a 100% recovery from POIS.  Perhaps that is not a 'cure', but it is a 100% treatment, in any case, for that person.   There may have also been a case where someone used Wellbutrin and recovered from POIS.  (This would make sense if POIS were primarily caused by dopamine depletion). 

It's also important to note that everyone's 'POIS' seems a little bit different.  So treatment that works for one of us, may not work for the rest.  Obviously there is a good chance it will help though.


There was a 12 month period of time, where I was effectively OK.  There would be the occasional relapse (e.g. POIS for 1 day, once a month in this period), but I was at least 90% better. 



Demografx: Physical fatigue is not a problem for me post-orgasm.  Of course, I get somewhat sleepy and my muscles relax, but I think it is within the range of 'normal'.  Mental fatigue is a problem, though.  The "extreme withdrawal" feeling (anxiety, difficulty focusing, etc) together with "brain fog" is by far the worst aspect of POIS for me.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #756 on: 27/06/2008 16:25:40 »
Sparx, martin88. I will read about ghrelin, I think is very interesting.
 

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« Reply #757 on: 27/06/2008 16:29:17 »
...This study demonstrates the acute effect of cigarette smoking on plasma concentrations of the novel orexigenic hormone ghrelin. The most interesting finding of this study was the unexpected increase in ghrelin concentrations shortly after smoking. The ...
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #758 on: 27/06/2008 18:38:02 »
Hey guys!  Guess what!  I got a response from the people at the Bio Health Diagnostics Lab. Here it is. ;D ;D

"This is a new one for us. Dr. (William) Timmins is no longer available for these matters, but I will be asking around my top clients to see if
anyone has ideas. Follow up with me in a week or so."    (Bryan Timmins)

 
By "top clients" he means health care professionals who use his laboratory services. Hopefully there is someone in that clientele pool that cares
enough to want to help us figure this out. Let's keep our fingers crossed!
 
 

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« Reply #759 on: 27/06/2008 19:10:33 »
Hey guys!  Guess what!  I got a response from the people at the Bio Health Diagnostics Lab. Here it is. ;D ;D

"This is a new one for us. Dr. (William) Timmins is no longer available for these matters, but I will be asking around my top clients to see if
anyone has ideas. Follow up with me in a week or so."    (Bryan Timmins)

 
By "top clients" he means health care professionals who use his laboratory services. Hopefully there is someone in that clientele pool that cares
enough to want to help us figure this out. Let's keep our fingers crossed!
 

TERRIFIC, GIRLWIND! See? Your great spirit shines through!!!
Nice job!!!
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« Reply #760 on: 27/06/2008 19:17:17 »
THINKING OF YOU ALL

OK, I've been avoiding you-know-what for a loooong time, but about 1/2 hour ago I did you-know-what ;D , so......now I have mini-POIS (75% cured with Levitra). And I just thought to myself, "you know, it's easier now that I have a group of fellow (and female) POIS-sufferers" And it is! Thanks for being here, crowd! Those were lonely decades fighting POIS alone, and after decades of doctors' discouragement, convinced I was probably the only one in the world to have POIS! (I didn't even think there would ever be a name for this stupid malady, except maybe stark-raving-madness/lunacy ;D )
 

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« Reply #761 on: 27/06/2008 20:04:35 »
AFTER A HOT SHOWER...

A hot shower really helps my POIS! But how long can we stay in the shower? ;D

It's been an hour-and-a-half since POIS onset, and guess what? I feel 90% + cured! I'll let you know if this holds up for the rest of the day, but if it does, my suspicion is that I held off ejac for 2 to 3 months! That's probably why. As some of you have indicated, the reverse is true: if we have multiple ejac episodes in a few days, POIS can get really bad (in my case disastrous!!)

Keep in mind Levitra can be dangerous for those without ED. Work VERY closely under a doctor's supervision.

And if we find an endocrinologist, perhaps s/he can unravel the SPECIFIC PARTS of Levitra that make it work (for me)and then see if it can work for others.

Have a great weekend everybody!
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« Reply #762 on: 28/06/2008 00:45:45 »
congrats girlwind!!!
 

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« Reply #763 on: 28/06/2008 09:07:16 »
If anybody is interested i found a connection between asexuality and high prolactin.

On a Dutch site "http://www.lydiavanderweide.nl/viva/artikel.php?pArt=017" i found out:

"Wanneer bij mannen of vrouwen het lichaam bijvoorbeeld veel te veel prolactine produceert - het hormoon dat bij vrouwen wordt afgescheiden die borstvoeding geven - zijn zij op geen enkele manier te prikkelen en ervaren geen zin of lust. Dit hormoon zet de sexuele thermostaat namelijk op nul."

Wich translates as:

"When the body of men and women produces to much prolactine - The hormone that is excrated by women who breast feed - they are in no way susceptible to libido and they have no interest in sex. This hormone sets the sexual termostate to 0."

Given the fact that men are known to masturbate on average every 3 days. And the people here can often go without sex to up to a month without major problems. This might be an indication of high prolactin.

Of high prolactin, and acompanying low dopamine, it is known to cause symptoms similar to the once described on this forum and here:
http://www.reuniting.info/science/sex_in_the_brain

Which might be an indication that post orgasmic symptoms are a form of asexuality. The body does not want sex and if you do it anyway it reacts badly.
 

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« Reply #764 on: 28/06/2008 19:19:21 »
POIS DAY ONE

Yesterday was "release-day" - with Levitra 10mg for my ED - and today........SYMPTOM FREE! In the past I would have had 3+ days of agony/torture aka POIS symptoms.

I am hopeful that some further research by outsiders with our group here can find the POIS-affecting-mechanism at work so that Levitra could be used SAFELY for those without ED.

In my opinion, Levitra has a potential for danger for those without ED. And even with ED, there have been reported some serious side effects. I just happen to be lucky. And also legitimately needing it.
 

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« Reply #765 on: 28/06/2008 22:12:13 »
sparx, there have been cases of 100% recovery.  You will see references to this if you read this thread from the beginning again.

Someone (with POIS) was given Zoloft for depression.  Supposedly it did not cure the depression, but there was a 100% recovery from POIS.

Perhaps that is not a 'cure', but it is a 100% treatment, in any case, for that person.   There may have also been a case where someone used Wellbutrin and recovered from POIS.  (This would make sense if POIS were primarily caused by dopamine depletion).

Thanks Counterpoint; I forgot about this case (here's link for others to review. It would be great to know if this person is still free from POIS after 10 months (great!! if he is)

B_Jim:   Any chance of contacting him for an update?

I'm seriously considering Wellbutrin (Zyban) to see if  its effects on  it can clear up POIS brain fog. Just a little hesitant though, because the possible side-effects look a bit scary and it would have to happen in a systematic way over several weeks to really understand its efficacy (meaning also, that if it doesn't work or takes time to kick in I could be fogged for weeks - not an appealing thought).
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« Reply #766 on: 28/06/2008 22:25:58 »
I'm seriously considering Wellbutrin (Zyban) to see if its effects on POIS brain fog. Just a little hesitant though, because the possible side-effects look a bit scary and it would have to happen in a systematic way over several weeks to really understand its efficacy (meaning also, that if it doesn't work or takes time to kick in I could be fogged for weeks - not an appealing thought).

I wouldn't worry about brain-fog caused by Wellbutrin (bupropion).  I would recommend starting at 150 mg/day using an extended-release tablet; this is a relatively low dosage, but you would still likely notice the effects.  XR (also known as XL) is longer lasting than "sustained release", and so you would only need to take it once a day (in the morning), and you would avoid feeling as though you were coming on and off the drug.   You will feel quite energetic and somewhat anxious for the first few days, and may have trouble sleeping the first few nights.  I would recommend persisting until these side effects subside, which should happen relatively quickly.  In the meantime, they would help you get some work done.  Normally, you would begin to experience positive side effects after about 3 weeks.

Demografx: I don't see why Levitra would be more or less dangerous depending on whether the person taking it had ED?
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« Reply #767 on: 29/06/2008 15:28:22 »
If anybody is interested i found a connection between asexuality and high prolactin.

On a Dutch site "http://www.lydiavanderweide.nl/viva/artikel.php?pArt=017" i found out:

"Wanneer bij mannen of vrouwen het lichaam bijvoorbeeld veel te veel prolactine produceert - het hormoon dat bij vrouwen wordt afgescheiden die borstvoeding geven - zijn zij op geen enkele manier te prikkelen en ervaren geen zin of lust. Dit hormoon zet de sexuele thermostaat namelijk op nul."

Wich translates as:

"When the body of men and women produces to much prolactine - The hormone that is excrated by women who breast feed - they are in no way susceptible to libido and they have no interest in sex. This hormone sets the sexual termostate to 0."

Given the fact that men are known to masturbate on average every 3 days. And the people here can often go without sex to up to a month without major problems. This might be an indication of high prolactin.

Of high prolactin, and acompanying low dopamine, it is known to cause symptoms similar to the once described on this forum and here:
http://www.reuniting.info/science/sex_in_the_brain

Which might be an indication that post orgasmic symptoms are a form of asexuality. The body does not want sex and if you do it anyway it reacts badly.

There is definetly a connection between high prolactin levels and slow refractory times especially with my old prolactin hormone test at the very top of the range.This was when my POIS symptoms was at its worst.

I can not remember the range of the prolactin test exactly but it was somewhere in the region of 2-17 and my prolactin levels at the time was 16. Life extension recommends an optimal healthy range between 2-4 so 16 is way off.

This was 3-4 days after any ejaculation so imagine if it was taking say 12-24 hours after ejaculation when POIS are at its worst or whichever timeframe POIS symptoms is at its worst depending on the individual.

I plan too take furthur prolactin and hormone tests in the future but this time 12-24 hours after ejaculation too see which hormones are being imbalanced after ejaculating. I also plan too take a full metabolic analysis and neurotransmitter urine tests post ejaculation and these tests should show me also what neurotransmitters are depleting after ejaculating and also what vitamins, minerals and nutrients are depleting too after ejaculating.

DHEA PLEASE READ :

If ones Dhea levels are already optimal which can be checked via blood/saliva test then taking futhur Dhea
orally will convert too estrogen which can lead too unwanted "feminine" characteristics in men.

Best way too take Dhea without estrogen conversion is
transdermally or sublingually.

 

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« Reply #768 on: 29/06/2008 15:40:27 »

Interesting read on page 16 from a poster Dave23:


http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.375

He seems too have just about cured his POIS by getting his hormone
levels in the optimal ranges which iam trying too do also.

Although he doesnt seem too have posted in a while so i will pm him and
see  how hes doing with his POIS, has anyone had any direct pms with this
poster?



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« Reply #769 on: 29/06/2008 15:47:53 »
my POIS is similar to things I do that deplete my adrenaline, like playing soccer or rugby for more than 2 hours, I get very tired and sometimes nauseas, dehydrated. if anyone plays tennis or squash or does very physical extreme sport for more than 3 hours, tell us if your feelin the day afterwards is similar to POIS. I guess if you are fit, then your POIS is also not as bad as the days when you were unfit? With fit I mean trained to endure long physical activity, and good lung pump to muscular and nervous system.

A good indication may be: does POIS make your legs and arms stiff. Like you feel you cannot stretch them easily?

Yes after 2-3 hours of exercise/sports the next morning will feel like a POIS morning, very similar although not as intense.
 

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« Reply #770 on: 30/06/2008 02:23:11 »

Demografx: I don't see why Levitra would be more or less dangerous depending on whether the person taking it had ED?


Counterpoints, as I mentioned way back in an earlier post, I googled Levitra and saw a post that said to be careful because of the way Levitra works with blood flow to the heart for those without ED. This is admittedly very sketchy and anecdotal as a source, but it concerned me enough to repeat it. I said in the post you responded to that it "may"...perhaps I should leave it alone? I just get very concerned with medical advice being tossed around here quite loosely. Remember, many of us are desperate and will try anything!

But I hope you're right! It would be wonderful if Levitra could work for everyone...SAFELY. (it's too easy to get Levitra on the internet and mail order). There is also some question of vision loss with insufficient blood going to the optic nerve. Loss of vision concern is written on my Rx. But that too is controversial as to cause and effect.

So from now on, I'll just say, "consult your physician." Fair enough?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #771 on: 30/06/2008 03:29:52 »
Michael,
I'd like to know if you have other sources mentionning differents ranges than conventionals for hormones. Also, is there a place where i can read about the top 5 labs ? I believe that lack of testosterone or problem with testosterone utilization is involved in pois but i'm concerned about side effects of T replacement. For example testicles shrinking (at least it's hormone cream savings !). What can you do for this ? http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=173268

A solution can be to take clomid to restart your own production of T but the whole thing seems to me to be a risk. http://www.saanabolicreview.co.za/clomid.html
Please keep us informed about the planned tests you mention in your post, i'll apreciate.

In the link posted by Sparx http://www.alternativesmagazine.com/36/robinson.html
it's written : "after sexual satiation there is a drastic reduction in androgen receptor density". Does someone know more about these androgens receptors ? This theory can explain why only the first shot of T was effective for Demografx. (or placebo you're right Demografx !)
I know about 5 alpha-reductase deficiency which is causing lack of DHT (an androgen responsible for secondary sexual characteristics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-alpha_reductase
Perhaps it's the androgen receptor mentionned above.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #772 on: 30/06/2008 03:32:06 »
Demo: I totally understand your concern.  I was just curious why the dangers of Levitra would be any different depending on whether the person had ED.  You're probably right about 'blindness' effects, etc, being kind of sketchy and anecdotal.  I agree consulting a physician is a good idea before trying new meds.

 

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« Reply #773 on: 30/06/2008 03:58:16 »
Finally I found this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_receptor but i still need a connection between orgasm and reduction in androgen receptor density. Thanks.
 

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« Reply #774 on: 30/06/2008 17:18:46 »

Martin,

I dont have any other sources of other optimal hormone
ranges at the moment from Anti Aging practitioners. 

Most Anti Aging doctors do not
post their recommended idea range of hormones online
and usually only provide these info's to their patients
through direct appointments.

The source I provided from Lef is actually from a highly
regarding Anti Aging practitioner in Philip Lee Miller, MD.

He is the founder and medical director of the Los Gatos
Longevity Institute in Los Gatos, CA. His practice is dedicated
to antiaging medicine focusing on bio-identical natural hormone
replacement, nutritional medicine, complex lipid disorders, and
stress management. He is a diplomate of the American Board on
Anti-Aging Medicine.

You can see his ranges also in his LEF recommended book Life Extension Revolution
by P. Miller, MD.

Here is Lef's medical advisory board:

http://www.lef.org/featured-articles/medadv.htm


 

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