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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #775 on: 30/06/2008 17:35:02 »


Testosterone may or may not be connected too POIS depending
on the individual. It would be best too test the hormones
first before coming too the conclusion.

Modern effective Anti Aging doctors will usually prescribe
HCG too prevent the testicles from shrinking.

HCG (Chorionic Gonadotropin)

HCG acts like LH (Luteinizing Hormone).

LH has several actions, such as:
1. It stimulates testosterone production from the testes
2. It stimulates the production of aromatase enzyme
3. It stimulates the production of Cytochrome P450sc enzyme

Im on 125iu E2d but I was on 250iu but decreased as my
Progesterone levels were sky high as provided in the
previous page.

Taking above 500ius of HCG long term can desensitize the
LH receptors. This was posted by a highly regarded Anti Aging
doctor in Dr John Crisler on the forums of Anabolicminds.com.

Nowadays TRT specialists will recommend T shots E2D r E3D
too control Estrogen conversion. In the past they would
do T Shots every Week or every fortnight.

This would cause most patients too have alot of Estrogen
problems due too the very high dose of T taking in one shot.
Plus up and down effects of mental, emotional and physical
wellbeing.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #776 on: 30/06/2008 17:40:33 »

Yes your right about Clomid.

Most people who have used Clomid experience emotional problems.
It is a very common side effect of Clomid.

Although I have read in one case where someone had great success
with Clomid and Nolvadex in restarting their natural testosterone
functions here :

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/men-s-health-forum/day-one-attempting-restart-134240826.html

I'll definetly post my hormone, metabolic and neurotransmitter test results here
once they have been done.
 

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« Reply #777 on: 30/06/2008 17:52:19 »
Michael,
I'd like to know if you have other sources mentionning differents ranges than conventionals for hormones. Also, is there a place where i can read about the top 5 labs ? I believe that lack of testosterone or problem with testosterone utilization is involved in pois but i'm concerned about side effects of T replacement. For example testicles shrinking (at least it's hormone cream savings !). What can you do for this ? http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=173268

A solution can be to take clomid to restart your own production of T but the whole thing seems to me to be a risk. http://www.saanabolicreview.co.za/clomid.html
Please keep us informed about the planned tests you mention in your post, i'll apreciate.

In the link posted by Sparx http://www.alternativesmagazine.com/36/robinson.html
it's written : "after sexual satiation there is a drastic reduction in androgen receptor density". Does someone know more about these androgens receptors ? This theory can explain why only the first shot of T was effective for Demografx. (or placebo you're right Demografx !)
I know about 5 alpha-reductase deficiency which is causing lack of DHT (an androgen responsible for secondary sexual characteristics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-alpha_reductase
Perhaps it's the androgen receptor mentionned above.

Yes your right about Dht as it is the main hormone responsible for libido. It is actually known as the alpha male hormone out of the hormone family.

I actually use Dht gel due too low Dht levels and high Progesterone levels. Progesterone lowers Dht and causes no/low libido and using Dht lowers Progesterone levels.

Although there has been some studies that suggest Dht can cause
prostate problems but there has also been some studies that Dht
isnt the culprit and that high Estrogens or imbalanced estrogen
ratios are the culprit for prostate problems.

So far with my own experience imbalanced Estrogens are at fault for
prostate problems.

High Dht levels can cause balding and if ones families are prone too balding then most likely mixed with high Dht levels, balding will occur.

Martin have you had any hormone tests done ?


 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #778 on: 30/06/2008 17:55:16 »
John,

The others have given you amazing help. What I  would respectfully like to ask, is there no guilt involved such as a very strict religious upbringing which sort of puts sex in the realm of something unpleasant and ugly instead of beautiful like it really is between those that love each other?
Regards

Alan
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« Reply #779 on: 30/06/2008 18:09:00 »
I forgot too add that Low testosterone levels isnt just caused by
hypogonadism where the testes no longer produce testosterone.

Low functioning of the Adrenal glands and Thyroids can
lower Testosterone levels too.

Usually when one fixes their Adrenal glands and Thyroids,
Testosterone levels increase too. I made this mistake
in not fixing my Adrenals and Thyroids and going straight
too T Shots.

Also high Estrogens, high Prolactin, high Cortisol, high SHBG, low Thyroids,
and high Insulin levels can lower Testosterone too. There is probably
a few others but thats all I can think off right now.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #780 on: 30/06/2008 18:44:31 »
Michael,
I'd like to know if you have other sources mentionning differents ranges than conventionals for hormones. Also, is there a place where i can read about the top 5 labs ? I believe that lack of testosterone or problem with testosterone utilization is involved in pois but i'm concerned about side effects of T replacement. For example testicles shrinking (at least it's hormone cream savings !). What can you do for this ? http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=173268

A solution can be to take clomid to restart your own production of T but the whole thing seems to me to be a risk. http://www.saanabolicreview.co.za/clomid.html
Please keep us informed about the planned tests you mention in your post, i'll apreciate.

In the link posted by Sparx http://www.alternativesmagazine.com/36/robinson.html
it's written : "after sexual satiation there is a drastic reduction in androgen receptor density". Does someone know more about these androgens receptors ? This theory can explain why only the first shot of T was effective for Demografx. (or placebo you're right Demografx !)
I know about 5 alpha-reductase deficiency which is causing lack of DHT (an androgen responsible for secondary sexual characteristics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-alpha_reductase
Perhaps it's the androgen receptor mentionned above.

Interesting about the Androgen receptors decreasing post ejaculation as there is a study here as furthur proof:

 Pharmacological and physiological aspects of sexual exhaustion in male rats (Drastic reduction in androgen receptor density in specific regions of the brain (mpoa) following sexual activity. May take up to 7 days to recover from sexual activity, perhaps due to androgen receptor decrease after orgasm for 4-7 days, which decreases effects of testosterone.)

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118874269/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

It also mentions a change in Neurotransmitters during the post ejaculation period.

 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #781 on: 30/06/2008 18:47:16 »
Heres a study proven that taking L-Carnitine L-Tartrate 2 grams a day
can upregulate Androgen Receptors :

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1: Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2006 Jul;38(7):1288-96. Links
Erratum in:
Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2006 Oct;38(10):1861.
Androgenic responses to resistance exercise: effects of feeding and L-carnitine.
Kraemer WJ, Spiering BA, Volek JS, Ratamess NA, Sharman MJ, Rubin MR, French DN, Silvestre R, Hatfield DL, Van Heest JL, Vingren JL, Judelson DA, Deschenes MR, Maresh CM.
Human Performance Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology, University of Connecticut, Storrs, CT 06269-1110, USA. William.Kraemer@uconn.edu

PURPOSE: The purpose of this investigation was to determine the effects of 3 wk of L-carnitine L-tartrate (LCLT) supplementation and post-resistance-exercise (RE) feeding on hormonal and androgen receptor (AR) responses. METHODS: Ten resistance-trained men (mean+/-SD: age, 22+/-1 yr; mass, 86.3+/-15.3 kg; height, 181+/-11 cm) supplemented with LCLT (equivalent to 2 g of L-carnitine per day) or placebo (PL) for 21 d, provided muscle biopsies for AR determinations, then performed two RE protocols: one followed by water intake, and one followed by feeding (8 kcal.kg body mass, consisting of 56% carbohydrate, 16% protein, and 28% fat). RE protocols were randomized and included serial blood draws and a 1-h post-RE biopsy. After a 7-d washout period, subjects crossed over, and all experimental procedures were repeated. RESULTS: LCLT supplementation upregulated (P<0.05) preexercise AR content compared with PL (12.9+/-5.9 vs 11.2+/-4.0 au, respectively). RE increased (P<0.05) AR content compared with pre-RE values in the PL trial only. Post-RE feeding significantly increased AR content compared with baseline and water trials for both LCLT and PL. Serum total testosterone concentrations were suppressed (P<0.05) during feeding trials with respect to corresponding water and pre-RE values. Luteinizing hormone demonstrated subtle, yet significant changes in response to feeding and LCLT. CONCLUSION: In summary, these data demonstrated that: 1) feeding after RE increased AR content, which may result in increased testosterone uptake, and thus enhanced luteinizing hormone secretion via feedback mechanisms; and 2) LCLT supplementation upregulated AR content, which may promote recovery from RE.

PMID: 16826026 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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I will order some L-Carnitine L-Tartrate and test and find out what else
can upregulate Androgen receptors.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #782 on: 30/06/2008 19:41:26 »

Not sure if this has been posted but many useful studies
here on Sexual hangovers :

http://www.reuniting.info/science/research/sexual_hangover
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #783 on: 30/06/2008 21:59:43 »
my POIS is similar to things I do that deplete my adrenaline, like playing soccer or rugby for more than 2 hours, I get very tired and sometimes nauseas, dehydrated. if anyone plays tennis or squash or does very physical extreme sport for more than 3 hours, tell us if your feelin the day afterwards is similar to POIS. I guess if you are fit, then your POIS is also not as bad as the days when you were unfit? With fit I mean trained to endure long physical activity, and good lung pump to muscular and nervous system.

A good indication may be: does POIS make your legs and arms stiff. Like you feel you cannot stretch them easily?

Yes after 2-3 hours of exercise/sports the next morning will feel like a POIS morning, very similar although not as intense.

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Not only does L-Carnitine L-tartrate been proven too upregulate Androgen receptors but it is Supported For Exercise Recovery: A recent placebo-controlled clinical study conducted at Ball State University in Indiana found that l-carnitine-l-tartrate supplementation
significantly supported physical recovery from high intensity exercise.

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This allows for less tissue damage, decreased production of free radicals and less muscle soreness following exercise.

In a prospective double-blind placebo controlled trial, carnitine supplementation supported training for elite athletes.*

Optimizing Muscle Strength and Recovery with CLT
By David Barr
Through the haze of misinformation clouding the supplement industry, strength athletes are often left wondering if anything will actually help them. Recently, a little known supplement has emerged that can do just that. In this article, we’ll take a look at this product and see how it can help with muscle growth, strength, and recovery.

Before we go any further, you need to know what we’re talking about. The supplement in question is called carnitine-l-tartrate (CLT), and there’s a good chance you’ll be using it for a long time to come. It’s different in both structure and mechanism of action from acetyl-l-carnitine, which is commonly sold as a fat loss supplement. So don’t worry if you’ve tried “carnitine” as an over-hyped “fat burner” and were disappointed by the results.

What does it do? CLT is a unique supplement because it increases the androgen receptor content of tissues. This means that there are more docking sites for our most plentiful anabolic hormone to function. In short, more testosterone/androgens reaching their target = a greater anabolic effect.

This sounds pretty amazing, right? Almost too good to be true, huh? I appreciate such skepticism, and in fact, quite encourage it. However, fortunately we have a growing body of evidence for this one. Better still, this evidence comes from one of the most prestigious exercise labs on the planet, with each study showing the efficacy of this supplement (Kraemer, et al. 2003; Kraemer, et al. 2006; Volek, et al. 2002).

Enter the Anabolic Index Score

So just how effective is CLT? Using the Anabolic Index Score, which objectively measures the anabolic potential of foods and supplements, CLT ranks as one of the most potent products available. When combined with protein pulse feeding, especially after a workout, the impact on muscle growth is great. This combined effect is so powerful because post-training meals also increase androgen receptor content. So you’re really maximizing the effect by combining the two (Kraemer, et al. 2006).

Quick Ttip: For those who are using HRT or other androgen related pharmaceuticals, CLT greatly increases the effectiveness of the cycle. In this situation, you would not only be gaining a pharmaceutically-induced elevation of androgen receptors but also a supplemental elevation.

Anabolism and recovery

We often get so wrapped up in our subculture that words adopt new meanings. Specifically in this case, I’m referring to anabolism (or “anabolic”), which is most commonly used in reference to muscle building, and ultimately, strength. Although this isn’t completely inaccurate for our purposes, it ignores a critical component of anabolism—muscle recovery.

By increasing muscle anabolism, regardless of the means, we’re definitively increasing the rate at which our muscle can recover from the training-induced stress we impose on it. Greater recovery means less down time and increased opportunity to incur the training stresses we seek (i.e. growth and strength). I’m sure you’re probably well aware of this fact, but it never hurts to have an occasional reminder.

To sum things up, by increasing the androgen receptor content of our muscle, CLT will be able to assist with the following critical variables:

* Muscle strength
* Muscle growth
* Muscle recovery
* Magnified effects of androgen use
* Enhanced effects of post-workout meals

CLT is a legal supplement with potentially powerful effects on everything we want that is related to muscle. Better yet, it also has strong potential to improve neural strength and recovery—highly sought after processes that continue to elude us. Considering that we don’t fully understand neural adaptability, there’s much to be covered, which means that we’ll be discussing this in the next article.

Note: I have no stake, financial or otherwise, in any supplement.

References

Kraemer WJ, Volek JS, French DN, Rubin MR, Sharman MJ, Gómez AL, Ratamess NA, Newton RU, Jemiolo B, Craig BW, Häkkinen K (2003) The effects of L-carnitine L-tartrate supplementation on hormonal responses to resistance exercise and recovery. Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research 17(3):455–62.

Kraemer WJ, Spiering BA, Volek JS, Ratamess NA, Sharman MJ, Rubin MR, French DN, Silvestre R, Hatfield DL, Van Heest JL, Vingren JL, Judelson DA, Deschenes MR, Maresh CM (2006) Androgenic responses to resistance exercise: effects of feeding and L-carnitine. Medical Science and Sports Exercise 38(7):1288–96.

Volek JS, Kraemer WJ, Rubin MR, Gómez AL, Ratamess NA, Gaynor P (2002) L-Carnitine L-tartrate supplementation favorably affects markers of recovery from exercise stress. American Journal of Physiology: Endocrinology and Metabolism 282(2):E474–82.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #784 on: 30/06/2008 22:01:26 »
Another study :

The effects of L-carnitine L-tartrate supplementation on hormonal responses to resistance exercise and recovery.
1: J Strength Cond Res. 2003 Aug;17(3):455-62.

Human Performance Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology, University of Connecticut, Storrs, CT 06269, USA. kraemer@uconnvm.uconn.edu

The purpose of this investigation was to examine the influence of L-carnitine L-tartrate (LCLT) supplementation using a balanced, cross-over, placebo-controlled research design on the anabolic hormone response (i.e., testosterone [T], insulin-like growth factor-I, insulin-like growth factor-binding protein-3 [IGFBP-3], and immunofunctional and immunoreactive growth hormone [GHif and GHir]) to acute resistance exercise. Ten healthy, recreationally weight-trained men (mean +/- SD age 23.7 +/- 2.3 years, weight 78.7 +/- 8.5 kg, and height 179.2 +/- 4.6 cm) volunteered and were matched, and after 3 weeks of supplementation (2 g LCLT per day), fasting morning blood samples were obtained on six consecutive days (D1-D6). Subjects performed a squat protocol (5 sets of 15-20 repetitions) on D2. During the squat protocol, blood samples were obtained before exercise and 0, 15, 30, 120, and 180 minutes postexercise. After a 1-week washout period, subjects consumed the other supplement for a 3-week period, and the same experimental protocol was repeated using the exact same procedures. Expected exercise-induced increases in all of the hormones were observed for GHir, GHif, IGFBP-3, and T. Over the recovery period, LCLT reduced the amount of exercise-induced muscle tissue damage, which was assessed via magnetic resonance imaging scans of the thigh. LCLT supplementation significantly (p < 0.05) increased IGFBP-3 concentrations prior to and at 30, 120, and 180 minutes after acute exercise. No other direct effects of LCLT supplementation were observed on the absolute concentrations of the hormones examined, but with more undamaged tissue, a greater number of intact receptors would be available for hormonal interactions. These data support the use of LCLT as a recovery supplement for hypoxic exercise and lend further insights into the hormonal mechanisms that may help to mediate quicker recovery.
 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #785 on: 01/07/2008 18:47:54 »
Michael, thank you for these posts. You can try differents treatments but you should be careful with your body (specially with hormones), you have only one. I'm not sure if L-Cartinine will be of any help. You can see in my precedents posts (not a lot) the hormone tests i have done.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #786 on: 02/07/2008 17:20:49 »
Hi there! I have been curious about this problem for a long time; I finally found this message board and have been casually working on a response for a while.

I am a 28 year old male who has been diagnosed with PVFS (post-viral fatigue syndrome) or equivalent (CFS, chronic fatigue syndrome), which developed relatively suddenly when I was about 14 years old; “POIS” didn't become a major problem until late teens when CFS became worse, although perhaps existed in mild form until then. I have since been attributing POIS-like symptoms to CFS as a secondary complication, but it could instead be a separate additional condition?

The symptoms that people here describe as POIS are similar to the post-exertional aspect of CFS. However with CFS, any type of significant exertion (physical or cognitive) can cause an exacerbation of symptoms, and abstinence from such exertion doesn't resolve the baseline symptoms. I don't think CFS and POIS are the same illness, but I can vouch for noteworthy similarities. I don't know how common POIS is for people with CFS. For me, even though POIS symptoms and other post-exertional CFS symptoms aren't exactly the same, both have or can cause an increase in myalgia/arthralgia & fatigue as well as cognitive symptoms.

The possibility of POIS being a neuroimmune effect has been discussed at this forum; this is intriguing to me because some researchers suspect that CFS is a neuroimmune disorder or state. Also, the field of “psycho-neuro-endocrino-immunology” may open up a whole new understanding of illnesses which have previously remained “under the radar”, like POIS.

Unless there are serious disturbances relating to psychosocial stress or religious guilt, I doubt that POIS is a psychological problem. Also, I have noticed that some philosophers have viewed sexual activity as seriously draining and unhealthy, but they may have had POIS themselves and therefore incorporated it into their world view; most healthy people don't experience these symptoms even if they are hypersexual (some people may feel sleepy for 10 minutes but then they are OK).

I have typed up more to say later about my experience with POIS and related ideas about what I think it is, but this first message is plenty for a introduction! Regards, "post-chronic".
 

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« Reply #787 on: 02/07/2008 17:33:28 »
Hi there! I have been curious about this problem for a long time; I finally found this message board and have been casually working on a response for a while.

I am a 28 year old male who has been diagnosed with PVFS (post-viral fatigue syndrome) or equivalent (CFS, chronic fatigue syndrome), which developed relatively suddenly when I was about 14 years old; “POIS” didn't become a major problem until late teens when CFS became worse, although perhaps existed in mild form until then. I have since been attributing POIS-like symptoms to CFS as a secondary complication, but it could instead be a separate additional condition?

The symptoms that people here describe as POIS are similar to the post-exertional aspect of CFS. However with CFS, any type of significant exertion (physical or cognitive) can cause an exacerbation of symptoms, and abstinence from such exertion doesn't resolve the baseline symptoms. I don't think CFS and POIS are the same illness, but I can vouch for noteworthy similarities. I don't know how common POIS is for people with CFS. For me, even though POIS symptoms and other post-exertional CFS symptoms aren't exactly the same, both have or can cause an increase in myalgia/arthralgia & fatigue as well as cognitive symptoms.

The possibility of POIS being a neuroimmune effect has been discussed at this forum; this is intriguing to me because some researchers suspect that CFS is a neuroimmune disorder or state. Also, the field of “psycho-neuro-endocrino-immunology” may open up a whole new understanding of illnesses which have previously remained “under the radar”, like POIS.

Unless there are serious disturbances relating to psychosocial stress or religious guilt, I doubt that POIS is a psychological problem. Also, I have noticed that some philosophers have viewed sexual activity as seriously draining and unhealthy, but they may have had POIS themselves and therefore incorporated it into their world view; most healthy people don't experience these symptoms even if they are hypersexual (some people may feel sleepy for 10 minutes but then they are OK).

I have typed up more to say later about my experience with POIS and related ideas about what I think it is, but this first message is plenty for a introduction! Regards, "post-chronic".


My sincere sympathies too you for having too suffer with CFS from such a young age of 14.

I have a good friend who has had CFS for 13 years and diagnosed with it at age 27. Physically he is not too well but his mind is sharp like a razor.

What was your Cortisol and Dhea levels when your were diagnosed?

Ive been diagnosed with Adrenal fatigue too which is the same thing. Its came back recently from my low cortisol readings. Iam supplementing with Medrol too raise it. Isocort didnt work for me and it caused water retention.
 

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« Reply #788 on: 02/07/2008 17:47:35 »
Michael, thank you for these posts. You can try differents treatments but you should be careful with your body (specially with hormones), you have only one. I'm not sure if L-Cartinine will be of any help. You can see in my precedents posts (not a lot) the hormone tests i have done.


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Martin do you still have your cortisol reading from age 23?
Also what kind of test was this? Blood,Saliva, Urine ?

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Saliva is usually more accurate done at home at your leisure.

Blood tests for cortisol readings arent usually accurate due too
things like white coat syndrome, needle etc

This usually spikes cortisol readings very high giving a false
reading. Saliva test is very easy : spit some saliva in a tube
which isnt stressful and doesnt give false readings.

Very high cortisol readings is usually a sign of future adrenal fatigue.
 

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« Reply #789 on: 02/07/2008 18:06:51 »
when i was 23 my cortisol level was too high (pois day 10) . I was taking multivitamin at this time (with C and B5 in it). I have never done any other test after that but perhaps it's still high because i often wake up very early (3am).

When i was 35 i have done a bioavailable testosterone test pois day 15 and the result was 5 (normal range 4 - 15). I wasn't doing sport at all at this time. I wasn't very tired before the test.

2 years later i have done an other one for testosterone, pois day 1, exactly the same test, same hour. I was very tired before the test. Result 8 (normal 4 - 15) .
I was surprised because i red  this study  : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788
(about this study my doc say it's not a problem because testosterone stay in the range)
I was playing tennis 2h00/week at this time. Perhaps this could have changed the result . I have never played tennis before in my life, i'm not very sports oriented since pois, however at 26 i was able to run non stop for two hours every day, only with total sexual abstinence and good nutrition. If i had a wet dream i could only run (not easily) 15-20 min which is not a lot with the training i had at this time.

Hope this helps. For me it's only confusion.



Was the test done within 1-2 hours of awakening?

For optimal bio available readings of testosterone aim for
the upper Third 12+

You will feel alot better this way.

What is your relationship like with your doctor ?
Is he open minded enough too check other hormones like
Estrogens, E1,E2,E3, Shbg, Free T3, Insulin, Cortisol, Dht,
Progesterone, Prolactin ?

All these hormones effect testosterone or libido.

I hope you have or can find a good doctor who can check your full
hormone system as this should give some answers on what is going wrong
here.
 

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« Reply #790 on: 02/07/2008 18:18:20 »
Michael, thank you for these posts. You can try differents treatments but you should be careful with your body (specially with hormones), you have only one. I'm not sure if L-Cartinine will be of any help. You can see in my precedents posts (not a lot) the hormone tests i have done.

Thank you for your concern.

Yes I am very careful with my body now and what i put into it.

Before in my teens I would take alot of supplements/herbs/dhea without
doing any research and having blood tests done. It probably caused
my hormone imbalance as I took too much and didnt cycle any of the products.

Now I have saliva and blood tests each month too evaluate my progress.
These tests I pay out my own pocket. They cost me £150-£200 a month depending
on what Iam having done. Too me its totally worth it as I want
my good health back as Iam only 24 and I want too find exactly what is wrong
with scientific proof.

Ive received the L-Carnitine L-Tartrate through the post.

There is no side effects reported on 500mg maybe some slight stomach discomfort
with some sensitive individuals.

However on larger dose it may lead to excess energy, restlessness, perhaps insomnia. Long term side effects of high dose carnitine use are not fully known.

I have adrenal fatigue and my energy levels in the morning and afternoon are low but in the evening it is ok.

I will try 2 grams every day for a week and see how it goes.


 

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« Reply #791 on: 02/07/2008 19:28:29 »
Welcome post-chronic! I can empathize with your situation, as I've been living with CFS for 30 years, and with POIS
probably as long. It's hard to say when I began having POIS symptoms, because I was so extremely ill for the first 5 years of
CFS (back in the late 70's-early 80's when no one even had a name for "it"), that sex was the LAST thing on my mind. At this
point I'm healthy-er enough to say that it isn't ALWAYS the last thing.  :)

In discussing POIS symptoms with others who have CFS, I haven't found a direct correlation between the two. Not every one I
have met who has CFS necessarily has POIS. And strangely enough, a couple women I know actually felt that sex INCREASED
their energy level and made their CFS symptoms better. I haven't yet found another woman who has POIS symptoms, except
for the researcher who posted on this site several pages back. (Though she insists that everyone has POIS to some extent--
which has NOT been my observation.)

In my experience post-exertional CFS symptoms are very similar to POIS symptoms, with both manifesting that over-the-top
level of exhaustion and myalgia. But the POIS symptoms have a greater level of brain fog/fatigue, and a greater level of what
I call the "hormonal weirdness" (depression, irritability, moodiness, anxiety symptoms, etc). Also, I have definitely noticed that
when my CFS is worse, then POIS is a lot more noticeable... and my sexual libido is a lot less available. During the times when
my CFS is better, my libido comes up and POIS is much more minimal. Keeping my adrenals healthy, (with supplements, herbs
and regular meals), getting 8-9 hours sleep/night, managing stress effectively and avoiding over-exertion on all levels have
been key in my recovery process. So I'm more inclined to see the POIS problem as an endocrine issue, rather than a neurological
one. But of course, it's all one body, divisible only by theories.

 

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« Reply #792 on: 02/07/2008 22:34:43 »

...there have been cases of 100% recovery.  You will see references to this if you read this thread from the beginning again.  Someone (with POIS) was given Zoloft for depression.  Supposedly it did not cure the depression, but there was a 100% recovery from POIS.


Counterpoints, unfortunately this 100% recovery via Zoloft was not confirmed. The poster may have more info for you by PM. Thanks.
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« Reply #793 on: 02/07/2008 22:39:31 »
WELCOME TO ALL THE NEW PEOPLE

I continue to be astounded by the incredible contributions of everyone, including the new people here at the POIS Forum! Thank you all!
 

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« Reply #794 on: 03/07/2008 16:19:49 »
I suggest all those with questions on this topic to visit(LINK REMOVED !)



What has this got to do with this awful condition ?

I will be deleting this post soon and we do not want to turn this thread into a religious debate...not that I have a problem with peoples faiths...but this is a medical thread not a religious one !
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« Reply #795 on: 03/07/2008 17:35:45 »
"I continue to be astounded by the incredible contributions of everyone, including the new people here at the POIS Forum!"

Hey demografx--Me too! I think we're on to something.
 

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« Reply #796 on: 03/07/2008 18:13:15 »
WELCOME TO ALL THE NEW PEOPLE

I continue to be astounded by the incredible contributions of everyone, including the new people here at the POIS Forum! Thank you all!

Like Girlwind said.........awesome statement demografx !!
 

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« Reply #797 on: 03/07/2008 20:52:39 »
I agree with neilep, @Berber this is not a religious forum nor has any religious questions, if you suggest that God has given us this disease and that Celibacy is the only way to get rif of it...  I mean C'mon.

I do agree that POIS might have something to do with guilt, definitely  feelings play a role, and some people did get relief from spirituality.

But all in all, I think it is a shortage or malfunction of chemicals in the body, MEANING THAT WE ARE SEEKING A SCIENTIFIC ANSWER.

I pray to God everyday, and I know that He also wants me to find the answer, that is why I keep looking, but I do not believe that it will just disappear like a miracle, then why would God not cure AIDS as well?
 

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« Reply #798 on: 03/07/2008 23:49:44 »
I have deleted the post on celibacy - religion has nothing to do with medicine, unless a person is a Christian Scientist and even then, is totally inappropriate with respect to a medical condition.
 

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« Reply #799 on: 04/07/2008 00:34:29 »
I agree with Neil that the post by @Berber is not directly related to POIS, and that it was deleted appropriately, but I think that "religion has nothing to do with medicine" goes too far. A person's belief is a valuable piece of data that should be considered. I'm sure @Berber meant well, I imagine that he sees our problem as one within a larger context of pornography, which he views (as I do) as contrary to our health, spiritually at least.  Also, I think he means chastity, celibacy is for life so unless you are a priest....
 

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