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Quote from: daveman on 15/03/2011 21:52:25Quote from: demografx on 15/03/2011 20:14:54Quote from: Hoping on 14/03/2011 05:05:02Hi everyone! Good new to report. I visited Dr. Bewtra '''''''Bewtra and Nguyen should be in our database!Bewtra's there, did you put it Hoping? Could you put the others that you mention in your post... pretty please?Everyone, I want to reinforce the importance of the database.Thank you, Hoping, for cooperating!
Quote from: demografx on 15/03/2011 20:14:54Quote from: Hoping on 14/03/2011 05:05:02Hi everyone! Good new to report. I visited Dr. Bewtra '''''''Bewtra and Nguyen should be in our database!Bewtra's there, did you put it Hoping? Could you put the others that you mention in your post... pretty please?
Quote from: Hoping on 14/03/2011 05:05:02Hi everyone! Good new to report. I visited Dr. Bewtra '''''''Bewtra and Nguyen should be in our database!
Hi everyone! Good new to report. I visited Dr. Bewtra '''''''
Quote from: lauracostis on 17/03/2011 00:26:14Lauracostis to Dave23, I have noticed a significant trend in all of your posts. The trend is every time I read one of your posts I find a new endocrine hormone that you are modifying. I count Testosterone, pregnenolone, cortisol, thyroid, and I think hcg also. I hope that you have a specialist monitoring these. I do not have a problem believing that many of your endocrine glands are shrinking as you are suggesting. If you are still taking 20-30mg of cortef QD, I would stop unless you have doctor telling you it is necessary. I did have some help from a Doctors assistant from Phily Us,im in the Uk Laurac, he gave me alot of help and quite frankly helped turn my health around. Think i still owe him some consultation fees from yrs ago, yikes should really get to that!As far as stopping and taking any replacement hormones/meds only if a doctor says so.Would you do that if your body is clearly very sick without?The fact was i couldnt even find doctors over here at the time to even test me properly, let alone treat me. I saw Endocrinologists, Urologists,diff local gps hoping to get referred to diff endos,uros etc etc Not one did proper testing and not one paid any attention to POIS or hormone profiling/optimizing. Actually the best i got was being prescribed Ibroprofen by an Endocrinogist and SSRI dispite printing out pages of scientific data of possibilites of what possibly was wrong and what needed to be tested etcIve read these kind of experiences alot over last several yrs from guys in Uk and trying to have their hormones tested and treated properly so not just me.The only way i found out what was wrong with me was by paying for the tests myself like bloodwork,urine 24hr analysis, cortisol saliva x4, hair analysis etc with help of others and someone else in particular and then health came back, finally Getting flashbacks now ... those were some horrid days i have to say!
Lauracostis to Dave23, I have noticed a significant trend in all of your posts. The trend is every time I read one of your posts I find a new endocrine hormone that you are modifying. I count Testosterone, pregnenolone, cortisol, thyroid, and I think hcg also. I hope that you have a specialist monitoring these. I do not have a problem believing that many of your endocrine glands are shrinking as you are suggesting. If you are still taking 20-30mg of cortef QD, I would stop unless you have doctor telling you it is necessary.
Hi Hurray! Much Thanks for the warm wb!Hope those memories were good ones? []I think was yourself who did well on Fenugreek and it even treated your POIS symptoms somewhat?Hope the Fenugreek is still going strong? []
I decided to try saw palmetto extract that was mentioned in this thread. I've now been taking it 320 mgs per day for a month and I'm continuing with the same dose. Initially I had a side effect of some kind of skin changes in my hands; the skin would get dry and cut very easily (small slightly bleeding wounds would appear). This lasted for about few weeks and has gone since.My POIS symptoms have been progressively diminished and my mood and feeling of being in health have gotten better. There is nothing else I've changed with my lifestyle apart from this supplement.
There has been plenty of talk about hormones on this topic which I haven't been following. But I think it is interesting that saw palmetto is supposed to inhibit the forming of DHT, dihydrotestosterone. I wonder, could this have something to do with POIS? At least on my part, it seems that saw palmetto reduces the POIS symptoms significantly.
I feel very skeptical and concerned about following any advice [Dave23] might provide...I'd advise others to take precautions as well.
Demo and his endo was [sic] not aware that standard testosterone replacement doses reduces [sic] sperm production and can cause testicular atrophy.
Green, I really don't think this has to do with NHS... it's more the physicians you are seeing. I have seen 8 doctors in sequence in the UK, all of whom took POIS seriously. I am yet to meet in person a physician (in the UK) who doesn't. If you are in the UK, why not contact Dr. Goldmeier? He is working through the NHS, and takes more of a serious interest in POIS than any physician in North America. Also, if you contact me through PM I may be able to put you in contact with endocrinologists who will be more helpful than your one seems to be. And at least your GP referred you to an endocrinologist. Many doctors would be less helpful than that and just do nothing. The fact that the doctors you have seen have not been open minded about POIS does not say much about the NHS imo, it says more about the medical community at large.
Hi Green, Sorry to hear of your experiences with your doc/gp etc Thankfully that position i described was way back before 07. I can truly understand your fustration here since i have been through exact same thing especially when you mention the extremely long waits for refferals,appointments,the flash in the pan like quick actual appointments, endos stating they dont treat hypogonadism etc. ohh nice, how did you manage to get prescribed testosterone injections in the end? ahh shame about the lack of supervision, take it you do follow up testing to make sure your taking the right amount? Yep that can get real expensive in a hurray! Not sure if you missed my earlier post here :Quote from: Green on 16/03/2011 17:20:15Good to see this dicussion still flared! My SHBG has dropped to 10 nmol/l I'm a hyperextreter of testosterone, I need to do shots 2Xweek. Hi Green, my shbg was pretty close to yours at 12nmol/l right at the bottom and Im also a hypermetaboliser in test. I did the twice a week schedule for while but felt i still ate it up too quickly so did tried eod and felt me best on that with less testosterone spiking into estradiol. Green did this testosterone replacement treat or cure your POIS as well? Also what is your trt dose weekly, im on 160mg test e atm []
Good to see this dicussion still flared! My SHBG has dropped to 10 nmol/l I'm a hyperextreter of testosterone, I need to do shots 2Xweek.
"BEFORE"Quote from: Dave23 on 16/03/2011 13:03:21Demo and his endo was [sic] not aware that standard testosterone replacement doses reduces [sic] sperm production and can cause testicular atrophy."AFTER"Quote from: Dave23 on 16/03/2011 13:03:21Demo and his endo was [sic] not aware that standard testosterone replacement doses reduces [sic] sperm production and can cause testicular atrophy.I've worked for 4 yrs nursing this forum along with the benefit of all of our members in mind. I have always kept the security and health of the users in mind and also personally use the utmost in caution for my own treatments. My endocrinologist is world-class and is an integral part of a top flight $billion+ medical research facility and is highly respected, and I am NOT going to let an "internet medical expert" replace his very sound advice. Nor do I wish that such internet expert risk the health of the people at this forum.As it is, Dave23 has gone beyond the boundaries of the forum rules of promoting a personal opinion as well as maligning the Moderator, and as such is one (small) step from being banned. To avoid this he must avoid further preaching of hormonal formulae, and confrontational and distracting activity. Or he will be immediately banned.Thank you for understanding.
i saw dave saying because americans pay private our doctors care more. that is so far away from the truth, eventhough they dont help us because all their stupid test comes out normal and they are not willing to some critical thinking about the symptoms, we still have to pay them unless they will mess up our credit and credit is almost "god" in america. I mean how hard is it with 10 years of schooling to come up the immunesystem being possible cause of POIS considering the symptoms. Like you guys we have to shop around and try to use facts about doctors to determine if they will be willing and accepting before we go thereThis phrase puts it best for american doctors i read it online somewhere " I wish doctors will start caring more about the patient and not their 4 million dollar houses".am not trying to argue am just saying how it is in america.
Quote from: CCconfucius on 17/03/2011 17:30:32i saw dave saying because americans pay private our doctors care more. that is so far away from the truth, eventhough they dont help us because all their stupid test comes out normal and they are not willing to some critical thinking about the symptoms, we still have to pay them unless they will mess up our credit and credit is almost "god" in america. I mean how hard is it with 10 years of schooling to come up the immunesystem being possible cause of POIS considering the symptoms. Like you guys we have to shop around and try to use facts about doctors to determine if they will be willing and accepting before we go thereThis phrase puts it best for american doctors i read it online somewhere " I wish doctors will start caring more about the patient and not their 4 million dollar houses".am not trying to argue am just saying how it is in america. Damn that sucks, the grass isn't greener (no pun intended) on the side, the general consensus on the forum from what I've read is that American patients have it easier than us to find treatment, but that comes at a price.
Quote from: CCconfucius on 17/03/2011 17:30:32i saw dave saying because americans pay private our doctors care more. that is so far away from the truth, eventhough they dont help us because all their stupid test comes out normal and they are not willing to some critical thinking about the symptoms, we still have to pay them unless they will mess up our credit and credit is almost "god" in america. I mean how hard is it with 10 years of schooling to come up the immunesystem being possible cause of POIS considering the symptoms. Like you guys we have to shop around and try to use facts about doctors to determine if they will be willing and accepting before we go thereThis phrase puts it best for american doctors i read it online somewhere " I wish doctors will start caring more about the patient and not their 4 million dollar houses".am not trying to argue am just saying how it is in america. Thanks for this post CCconfucius. Like Green i had thought with the American healtcare and insurance you folk had it easier than us when it comes to testing and treatment with hormone replacement/meds especially.I still rather would have prefered living in the States and dealt with your doctors,endo specialists than the Uk docs ive dealt with since some are way ahead of field than the Uk and theres a lot more.
I wouldn't like to see a POIS sufferer banned...
Quote from: Dave23 on 16/03/2011 23:28:03I shall call you SirCumAlot from now on []And if you keep THAT up, I shall call you SirBannedFromHere.
I shall call you SirCumAlot from now on []