[ThereIsAcure]

Or any personality changes and mood fluctuations?

Yes. Mood fluctuation and sometimes severe depression .

[Prancer]

Were you officially diagnosed with early type 2 diabetes ThereIsAcure, or did the doctors just assume that is what you had? Either way you said the medication had no effect on your POIS. I wonder if it is not related to POIS if in fact you did have it.

The last time I had my blood sugar checked, they said it was fine (maybe even a little low, which I blame on my POIS).

anyone have psychological symptoms of pois? like OCD, paranoia, etc

Yes, I think I have mild OCD while in POIS.

[ThereIsAcure]

What I was trying to say is :
Yes, I was officially diagnosed and was able to manage the diabetes condition successfully , but my symptoms remain unchanged proving they were unrelated to diabetes.

[FireCat]

After four weeks of taking Niacin 500mg/day, I have to say that it works pretty fine on me, but not a total cure.

Niacin is great in a sense that it does reduce back pain after O.
I don't have to see a chiropractor after O to fix it anymore.

However, Niacin does not reduce fatigue symptoms much in general, and it also seems to increase sexual appetite.

As I wrote on my previous post, control of O is one of the keys to me, and I would see how it goes.

I would try something else to add to Niacin soon, but I thank this forum to give me Niacin.

[GoingCrazy]

I usually just take a claritin 24-hour antihistamine about an hour before sex.  I don't notice POIS if I take claritin.  I am just a bit drowsy but I guess that is normal while on an antihistamine plus post-orgasm.

[GoingCrazy]

anyone have psychological symptoms of pois? like OCD, paranoia, etc

Yes, when I don't do anything to combat my POIS.  I believe it is a symptom of an inflammed brain caused by POIS.

[acronym]

I usually just take a claritin 24-hour antihistamine about an hour before sex.  I don't notice POIS if I take claritin.  I am just a bit drowsy but I guess that is normal while on an antihistamine plus post-orgasm.

Hey GC, have you tried any other antihistamines by chance? I have tried cetrzine and zirtec, for hayfever relief. They were good, but I have to admit I never noticed any significnat benefit with pois. I actually think it might have helped things a bit with brain fog but it certainly no omg effect.

[acronym]

anyone have psychological symptoms of pois? like OCD, paranoia, etc

Yes. In my teens & early 20s. It faded after that. I was being treated for CFS and doing a number of things so whether it changed exclusively due to that or just faded with age I don't know. It was quite stressful and it made it hard to relax & enjoy life. I didn't see a doctor about it specificaly because I felt bad about saying I had some sort of mental problem at that age. I picked up that an O seem to exacerbate things, but did not consider it was exclusively due to orgasm.

[amijgoro]

Hi again, 

Don't know if you guys remember me (hope you do). I posted a short while back a message talking about my constant pois and the horrible symptoms it's accompanied with. During the past few months in which time I have learned about pois and the triggers to it, I've stopped masturbating. Going celibate wasn't enough to stop the symptoms though. I would have pois symptoms constantly. I've realized the constant pois was being caused by physical contact to the penis. Any simple and light touch including the rubbing of my boxers can trigger it. The worst symptoms it causes is awful cognitive disfunction and immediate physical fatigue that can actually put me to sleep. The moment this happens I also have the urgent need to pee which ends up all foamy in the toilet. I went to a urologist who had no idea what i was talking about. Although in the end he did give me a valuable piece Of information which is the reason behind the foamy urine. It could be explained by semen in the mixture of my pee, meaning semen is somehow getting into my bladder which is causing my symptoms (because of pois of corse). This phenomenon is called retrograde ejaculation. It happens when the shutter between the bladder and prostate doesn't shut tight enough. 
Stimulating the penis causes sperm to be released and enter the bladder through the weakened shutter or actually makes the shutter weak and allows a flow of semen into the bladder.

I can't take feeling like this every day anymore! 
Help regarding treatment would be most welcome.

[acronym]

amijgoro, what you are going through is pretty severe. Any physical contact to your penis!! I assume it has to be a stimulating sensation, and not just from even urinating. From what I read here foamy urine is not a typical pois symptom. In your case though the faulty plumbing seems to be causing a greater problem for you, combined with you being young with a hair trigger penis. So your urologist came up the 'shutter between the bladder and prostate doesn't shut tight enough' diagnosis. Can he operate to remedy this situation? That would be my first line of attack, given that there is no definitive cure on this site....though there have been a number of sufferers here recently who have made a lot of progress. You should read the posts from the past month especially, and try some of the supplements/meds.

[GoingCrazy]

I usually just take a claritin 24-hour antihistamine about an hour before sex.  I don't notice POIS if I take claritin.  I am just a bit drowsy but I guess that is normal while on an antihistamine plus post-orgasm.

Hey GC, have you tried any other antihistamines by chance? I have tried cetrzine and zirtec, for hayfever relief. They were good, but I have to admit I never noticed any significnat benefit with pois. I actually think it might have helped things a bit with brain fog but it certainly no omg effect.

I have tried Ceterizine (whatever you call it), but that was taken after my orgasm and it didn't do much.  Other than that I have only tried claritin 24-hour at least an hour before sex.

[amijgoro]

amijgoro, what you are going through is pretty severe. Any physical contact to your penis!! I assume it has to be a stimulating sensation, and not just from even urinating. From what I read here foamy urine is not a typical pois symptom. In your case though the faulty plumbing seems to be causing a greater problem for you, combined with you being young with a hair trigger penis. So your urologist came up the 'shutter between the bladder and prostate doesn't shut tight enough' diagnosis. Can he operate to remedy this situation? That would be my first line of attack, given that there is no definitive cure on this site....though there have been a number of sufferers here recently who have made a lot of progress. You should read the posts from the past month especially, and try some of the supplements/meds.

I took to what my urologist said a little differently. What i understood from the meeting was because the shutter isn't tight enough and semen is leaking into my bladder and the overall fact that i have pois is the combination why i think im having these terrible symptoms. I searched the internet for some sort of medication/supplement that could possibly tighten the shutter and reverse the retrograde ejaculation. I found that sudafed a sinus and cold congestion relief medication has that exact effect. i tried out the sudafed and miraculously it worked! I didn't have that hair trigger penis anymore. the only problem was that the actual medication itself was making me feel very bad and brain fogged, an effect that has been haunting me with medication for a long time now (medication including ritalin and other anti depression/ anxiety drugs). my conclusion from that is 1. The problem is the shutter being week and semen leaking into my bladder that is causing the symptoms. 2. The pois that im experiencing understood by semen escaping the prostate being the cause of the symptoms mean that its the semen that is the problem! And thirdly my boddy has a serious problem regarding bad reactions to a large range of medications that needs an explanation.

[John21]

amijgoro, what you are going through is pretty severe. Any physical contact to your penis!! I assume it has to be a stimulating sensation, and not just from even urinating. From what I read here foamy urine is not a typical pois symptom. In your case though the faulty plumbing seems to be causing a greater problem for you, combined with you being young with a hair trigger penis. So your urologist came up the 'shutter between the bladder and prostate doesn't shut tight enough' diagnosis. Can he operate to remedy this situation? That would be my first line of attack, given that there is no definitive cure on this site....though there have been a number of sufferers here recently who have made a lot of progress. You should read the posts from the past month especially, and try some of the supplements/meds.

I took to what my urologist said a little differently. What i understood from the meeting was because the shutter isn't tight enough and semen is leaking into my bladder and the overall fact that i have pois is the combination why i think im having these terrible symptoms. I searched the internet for some sort of medication/supplement that could possibly tighten the shutter and reverse the retrograde ejaculation. I found that sudafed a sinus and cold congestion relief medication has that exact effect. i tried out the sudafed and miraculously it worked! I didn't have that hair trigger penis anymore. the only problem was that the actual medication itself was making me feel very bad and brain fogged, an effect that has been haunting me with medication for a long time now (medication including ritalin and other anti depression/ anxiety drugs). my conclusion from that is 1. The problem is the shutter being week and semen leaking into my bladder that is causing the symptoms. 2. The pois that im experiencing understood by semen escaping the prostate being the cause of the symptoms mean that its the semen that is the problem! And thirdly my boddy has a serious problem regarding bad reactions to a large range of medications that needs an explanation.

Very interesting Amigoro!  Maybe you could start with a very small dose and slowly increase to the recommended doseage?

Info on Sudafed for retrograde ejaculation: http://retrogradeejaculation.info/

Has anyone tried Sudafed against POIS? Is it possible that the "allergy" is initiated by partial retrograde ejaculation?

[dante88]

I have noticed that I have very "foamy" urine after ejaculation as well. It is a different type of foam than I usually have when urinating...if I leave it in the toilet without flushing it will stay foamy and won't go away...I believe that retrograde ejaculation is the culprit. This would explain what is causing the allergic reaction.

I went to see my allergist yesterday and had a skin ***** test performed. I had a positive reaction to my own semen and the doctor has decided to put me on a strong antihistamine (Zaditen SRO). The doctor is still waiting on the results of my blood test to determine whether or not to perform hypo sensitization therapy.

I have noticed that my symptoms seem to be magnified if I masturbate to pornography as opposed to having sex with my girlfriend or masturbating w/o pornography. I believe that this is due to the increased dopamine consumption correlated with pornography.

To summarize my theory...the allergic reaction interferes with the functioning of the pituitary/hypothalamus..decreasing the amount of dopamine the body is able to produce and release. Pornography uses up the dopamine and POIS makes the body unable to replenish dopamine levels.

I have had other allergic reactions in the past...namely a reaction to the iodine found in some shellfish. The reaction that I had was very similar to what I experience with POIS...reaffirming that for me, POIS is an allergic reaction.

Taking  an antihistamine like zyrtec seems to abate the symptoms somewhat. Also I have been taking Niacinimide recently at roughly 2500 mg. It does seem to help with the symptoms as well...but it doesnt not cure them.

[Prancer]

To summarize my theory...the allergic reaction interferes with the functioning of the pituitary/hypothalamus..decreasing the amount of dopamine the body is able to produce and release.

That makes a lot of sense to me Chris. I really like that theory. My symptoms are also very similar to a dopamine deficiency. I always tried to connect having an allergy with dopamine deficiency, and that helps a lot.

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Also, it's been several days now since I started taking the vitamins. They definitely seem to have a positive effect on me. What's really nice about them is I feel more rested in the morning and remember my dreams more often, and that helps a lot with my POIS symptoms. I also feel a bit more energized during the day. Of course, I need to keep taking them for a longer time, like kurtosis said, to really see how they're working. It's definitely not a POIS cure, but at least they seem to be showing some nice effects. Either way though, I think I would still take many of these vitamins even without POIS, as they are beneficial to one's overall health.

Prancer

[John21]

By the way I have noticed foamy urine in the past as well. I remember urinalysis finding protein in the urine, and some minor hematuria (microscopic blood in the urine).

[alphaq]

Yes. In my teens & early 20s. It faded after that. I was being treated for CFS and doing a number of things so whether it changed exclusively due to that or just faded with age I don't know. It was quite stressful and it made it hard to relax & enjoy life. I didn't see a doctor about it specificaly because I felt bad about saying I had some sort of mental problem at that age. I picked up that an O seem to exacerbate things, but did not consider it was exclusively due to orgasm.

The interesting thing is many of the symptoms of POIS seem to resemble CFS, both physical and cognitive. It would be interesting to know if anyone else has had CFS and POIS, or had a severe or chronic viral infection before POIS

[acronym]

I have noticed that my symptoms seem to be magnified if I masturbate to pornography as opposed to having sex with my girlfriend or masturbating w/o pornography. I believe that this is due to the increased dopamine consumption correlated with pornography.

I have noticed the exact same. pois is definitely worse from jerking off to porn compared to having sex. There is a bit off a catch 22 here though. For some of us pois makes it hard to pick up girls or get a girlfriend...and its hello Allie Sin/Tia Ling. lol.  I have always believed dopamine was a key part of the issue and it has been discussed here before, but pushed in the background as other theories have come up. Wish it was easy to test for neurotransmitters (one recognised by conventional medicos).
Some of the symptons I had like agitation, anxiousness, paranoia I thought could actually be attributed to excess dopamine....still I tick off most things on the dopamine deficiency check list except limb problems. Google the 'edge effect' which is an article/book from a doctor who specialised in balancing neurotransmitters.
I tried the herb macuna puriens which is supposed to help raise dopamine and I had mixed results. The first time I took it I definitely thought it helped with pois, (but I was also on antibiotics at some time), the next two times no. The quality of this herb can be quite variable, but the last lot I got I seeked out a good quality version. I tried an antidepressant that was supposed to help on the dopamine front and it made no difference. I continue to take Tyrosine and that helps a bit but its no cure.
Have you read articles that can prove there is a different dopamine response with pornography compared to sex? Fooling around in bed with a sexy woman for an hour is very pleasurable and stimulating.

[acronym]

Yes. In my teens & early 20s. It faded after that. I was being treated for CFS and doing a number of things so whether it changed exclusively due to that or just faded with age I don't know. It was quite stressful and it made it hard to relax & enjoy life. I didn't see a doctor about it specificaly because I felt bad about saying I had some sort of mental problem at that age. I picked up that an O seem to exacerbate things, but did not consider it was exclusively due to orgasm.

The interesting thing is many of the symptoms of POIS seem to resemble CFS, both physical and cognitive. It would be interesting to know if anyone else has had CFS and POIS, or had a severe or chronic viral infection before POIS

Its certainly not an over whelming number but there have been a number of posters on this forum who have admitted to also having CFS. Yes is there a lot of overlap. CFS is bascially a waste paper basket diagnosis, for where they dont really know whast wrong with you. I don't have CFS really bad these days and work fulltime, and pretty much could say the majority of my symptoms fall under pois. My blood tests show I am fighting an infection, but my blood tests have not come back positive for any of the well known infections.

[kurtosis]

I have noticed that my symptoms seem to be magnified if I masturbate to pornography as opposed to having sex with my girlfriend or masturbating w/o pornography. I believe that this is due to the increased dopamine consumption correlated with pornography.

I have noticed the exact same. pois is definitely worse from jerking off to porn compared to having sex. There is a bit off a catch 22 here though. For some of us pois makes it hard to pick up girls or get a girlfriend...and its hello Allie Sin/Tia Ling. lol.  I have always believed dopamine was a key part of the issue and it has been discussed here before, but pushed in the background as other theories have come up. Wish it was easy to test for neurotransmitters (one recognised by conventional medicos).
Some of the symptons I had like agitation, anxiousness, paranoia I thought could actually be attributed to excess dopamine....still I tick off most things on the dopamine deficiency check list except limb problems. Google the 'edge effect' which is an article/book from a doctor who specialised in balancing neurotransmitters.
I tried the herb macuna puriens which is supposed to help raise dopamine and I had mixed results. The first time I took it I definitely thought it helped with pois, (but I was also on antibiotics at some time), the next two times no. The quality of this herb can be quite variable, but the last lot I got I seeked out a good quality version. I tried an antidepressant that was supposed to help on the dopamine front and it made no difference. I continue to take Tyrosine and that helps a bit but its no cure.
Have you read articles that can prove there is a different dopamine response with pornography compared to sex? Fooling around in bed with a sexy woman for an hour is very pleasurable and stimulating.

Any obvious difference would be levels of oxytocin. This reduces anxiety levels (including cortisol) but will be produced in greater quantities when you have sex with someone you love/care for. Or that's the theory anyway.
Interesting paper at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20557568

[alphaq]

Anyone here that have both mental and physical symptoms that don't really go away even not having an 'O' for a while?

[CertainlyPOIS]

Anyone here that have both mental and physical symptoms that don't really go away even not having an 'O' for a while?

there a couple of us like that including me.

[Mer]

Let's assume that one decides to go to the gym to work out for the first time. This person has 10 units of age (not necessarily years) and thus is at an age group in which it is common to go to gym and work out. However, this person suffers from some deficiency of compounds x,y, and z due to some nutritional as well as genetic reasons. Due to his age and other factors he is interested and willing to do work out as his peers do. In his first work out session at the gym he manages to spend a normal amount of time doing the work out. Due to tension and contractions present during lifting his muscle tissues get damaged as expected. However, this person's body cannot heal this muscle tissue damage in a time period that would be considered normal. Due to the extended period of muscle damage symptoms such as fatigue are present and also during this extended period of time other bodily activities also get affected and do not function properly; such as adequate blood flow to different parts of body such brain. Consequently cognitive symptoms also appear. Therefore, the person for example experiences brain fog or head aches.

It is concluded that his deficiency of components x,y and z made his body unable to recover from that tissue damage and thus unpleasant symptoms were experienced by this individual.

In an effort to counter the effect of the symptoms the person has tried to consume a variety of foods with different nutritional characteristics. Foods and vitamins turned out to have positive effects on healing the symptoms by for example shortening the duration of healing. It turns out that some remedies are so well chosen that significantly reduce the recovery time.  All that this person has been doing was to put his body in such a state that quickly heals after workout activity; similar to how his peers feel about their body.

Are our bodies experiencing a similar scenario about ejaculation/sexual stimulation/orgasm? Do we have some deficiencies in our body that makes us unable to recover after orgasm in a "normal" length of time? Do cognitive and psychological symptoms appear in the mean time in which our body is struggling to heal from the change caused by ejaculation/sexual stimulation/orgasm? Does it also cause temporary tissue alteration at different part of body which causes less blood flow to the brain?

Do our bodies just lack components x, y, and z and thus unable to heal quickly after ejaculation/sexual stimulation/orgasm?

[makrofag]

Do our bodies just lack components x, y, and z and thus unable to heal quickly after ejaculation/sexual stimulation/orgasm?

My question would be. Why is the heck is there a lack of x,y,z components? It's cool that you can put something in you that increases your wellbeing but the deficiencies are only a symptom of a different problem.

[GoingCrazy]

Do our bodies just lack components x, y, and z and thus unable to heal quickly after ejaculation/sexual stimulation/orgasm?

My question would be. Why is the heck is there a lack of x,y,z components? It's cool that you can put something in you that increases your wellbeing but the deficiencies are only a symptom of a different problem.

Well, my only problem with this would be the way I developed POIS.  I was able to have an orgasm whenever I wanted.  I could have done it multiple times a day if I really wanted to.  So I don't think my body was lacking the "x,y,z components" at least at the time.  Maybe I could have slowly lost these nutrients, or the capability of producing these nutrients that my body needed to recover. 

But the thing is, I think POIS is much worse than a void of certain nutrients.  If it were then everybody experiencing POIS would just be tired after orgasm.  Nothing really explains all of the other symptoms.  At least the ones that I have.  The irritability, migraine, etc.  I think POIS is a much worse reaction than a simple loss in nutrients.