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Could it be possible using quantum computers to visualize the electronic structure and spatial configuration of consciousness, assuming such molecule exists outside the brain?



 

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Define consciousness, please. Then say why you think it consists of a molecule. 
 

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Define consciousness, please. Then say why you think it consists of a molecule.

I think consciousness is a supramolecular analog of water bound in the excited state. Water and consciousness unify brain-mind interactions by forming intramolecular hydrogen bonds in cells. Thus, I believe consciousness and water are composed of the same electronic structure found in cellular organisms.

Quantum electrodynamics theory of water:


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More than 50 years ago, Szent-Gyorgyi suggested that water at interfaces was the key. He proposed that water in living organisms existed in two states: the ground state and the excited state, and that water at interfaces such as membranes existed in the excited state, which requires considerably lower energy to split.
A sign of the excited water is that a voltage should appear at the boundary between interfacial water and bulk water, which was indeed observed. This property of water enables energy transfer to take place in living organisms ensuring long-lasting electronic excitations.
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Quantum computers are in their infancy more akin to the complexity of a bacterium.

Give Moores law a few decades more and your question will likely be answered by a quantum computer  :)

If you don't possess the patients for that, traditional computers are getting close to the point.

Consciousness is essentially self organized memories.  In a few years smart phones will have capacity to possess enough self manageable memory to simulate consciousness.  Will they opt to call themselves phones or carry us around???  hmm...
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Define consciousness, please. Then say why you think it consists of a molecule. 

For example:
Consciousness is that which is it like for a person when that person eat a candy.

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Let us ask:
How that feel (qualia) of "what is it like for a person when eating candy" arise from a computation? A computation is a mechanical syntax verification. How automatic  / mechanical verifications  of a syntactic rule can lead to a "feel" [of , e.g., sweet] ?
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consciousness... assuming such molecules exists outside the brain?
When the molecules of our brains occur outside our brain, the usual description is "dead", rather than "unconscious" or "conscious".

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consciousness is a supramolecular analog of water bound in the excited state
I see no reason why, somewhere in the universe - and perhaps someday on Earth, we may not have consciousness without water. Researchers are trying to produce conscious computers (silicon consciousness), and even use silicon to emulate "wet" neurons. Public research into quantum computers is still only up to primary-school arithmetic.
 

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I think consciousness is a supramolecular analog of water bound in the excited state.
Does anyone else think that, or is it just something you made up?
 

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I think consciousness is a supramolecular analog of water bound in the excited state.
Does anyone else think that, or is it just something you made up?

I only suggest quantum electrodynamics theory may help determine supramolecular
properties of water in biological systems.

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/442/1/012031/pdf

 
 

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consciousness... assuming such molecules exists outside the brain?
When the molecules of our brains occur outside our brain, the usual description is "dead", rather than "unconscious" or "conscious".
Yes.

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consciousness is a supramolecular analog of water bound in the excited state
I see no reason why, somewhere in the universe - and perhaps someday on Earth, we may not have consciousness without water. Researchers are trying to produce conscious computers (silicon consciousness), and even use silicon to emulate "wet" neurons. Public research into quantum computers is still only up to primary-school arithmetic.
Thats quite interesting. But water is required for proper brain function. The electrodynamics of conscious experience require the biological non-locality of water...

Is Quantum coherence in biological systems a function of the vibrational spectrum of water?

How could silicon replace one day the supramolecular properties of water?
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.. experience  require the biological non-locality of water... 
why do you like to use the words "non-locality" so often?
:)
 

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Re: How to determine the electronic structure of consciousness?
« Reply #10 on: 10/03/2016 12:28:02 »
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.. experience  require the biological non-locality of water... 
why do you like to use the words "non-locality" so often?
:)

The biological utilisation of quantum non-locality is poorly understood. I want to understand better the supramolecular effects of water on conscious experience... How (non-local) atomic water channel creates quantum vibrations in microtubules ? Does consciousness have supramolecular properties being entangled with water ?

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Atomic water channel controlling remarkable properties of a single brain microtubule: correlating single protein to its supramolecular assembly: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23567633

Effects of quantum nonlocality in the water activation process: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24749297
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