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Re: Does gravitation affect light rather than time?
« Reply #25 on: 15/03/2016 13:45:48 »
If there is no relationship then why can't we discuss this looking for an answer?
There is a relationship but you reject the established answer and introduce new concepts. The best place to discuss those is here, far more scope to experiment with ideas.
 

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Re: Does gravitation affect light rather than time?
« Reply #26 on: 15/03/2016 14:55:50 »

There is a relationship but you reject the established answer and introduce new concepts. The best place to discuss those is here, far more scope to experiment with ideas.

Nobody  has given me an established answer so there is nothing to reject or accept at this time.

There is no relationship I can personally think up to even make up a story of a relationship even if to  invent a story.

There is no apparent obvious relationship that I can see.






 

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Re: Does gravitation affect light rather than time?
« Reply #27 on: 15/03/2016 16:41:17 »

Nobody  has given me an established answer
Yes they have, in many different posts. They are just tired of repeating themselves.

There is no apparent obvious relationship that I can see.
True
 

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Re: Does gravitation affect light rather than time?
« Reply #28 on: 16/03/2016 09:44:32 »


There is no apparent obvious relationship that I can see.
True


So it would be now contradictory of you if you said that there is time dilation after admitting there is no relationship?




 

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Re: Does gravitation affect light rather than time?
« Reply #29 on: 16/03/2016 12:33:55 »


There is no apparent obvious relationship that I can see.
True

So it would be now contradictory of you if you said that there is time dilation after admitting there is no relationship?

I did not say there is no relationship.
Reread what I wrote.
 

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Re: Does gravitation affect light rather than time?
« Reply #30 on: 16/03/2016 12:43:16 »


I did not say there is no relationship.
Reread what I wrote.

You inferred there is a truth that there is no apparent relationship, already admitted is that the Caesium atom is not time, there is neither an unapparent relationship unless a person was going to make one up?

I acknowledge a wave function difference, gravitationally relationship. I do not accept or observe any time relationship other than an arbitrary change without meaningful values. The Caesium rate is no different to the rate of a dripping ''tap''. I do not think If I slow that drip down, that time slows down , do you?

A length between A→B remains an invariant, you can measure any speed of rate of flow between the invariant values but that does not alter the background invariant.












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Re: Does gravitation affect light rather than time?
« Reply #31 on: 16/03/2016 15:23:29 »
You inferred there is a truth that there is no apparent relationship,
I inferred nothing of the sort. Please stop misquoting me, otherwise there is little point in having any conversation. You do it all the time including misquoting that photons can't be observed.

I said quite clearly that I agree with your comment that "there is no obvious relationship that you can see.

The rest of us can see it, you can't.

Again pointless discussing anything with you.
 

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Re: Does gravitation affect light rather than time?
« Reply #32 on: 16/03/2016 22:52:41 »
You inferred there is a truth that there is no apparent relationship,
I inferred nothing of the sort. Please stop misquoting me, otherwise there is little point in having any conversation. You do it all the time including misquoting that photons can't be observed.

I said quite clearly that I agree with your comment that "there is no obvious relationship that you can see.

The rest of us can see it, you can't.

Again pointless discussing anything with you.


Then please stop making your answers ambiguous.


I said  - There is no apparent obvious relationship that I can see.

You said - ''True''


To me you agreed with - There is no apparent obvious relationship


How am I suppose to realise from your ambiguous answer that you were saying true to - that I can see.

I am not misquoting you, you are being ambiguous.

If you had said, true you can't see a relationship but the rest of us can, then we have no misquote.

So ok, what relationship?  you say you and the rest of you can see the relationship so it should be real easy to present to me the answer which in no way have you  provided.


You admit the Caesium atom is not time and can not specify a relationship, so therefore I think science is talking gibberish when they insist on an imaginary time dilation!


 


 






 

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