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Are we able use this energy ?
« on: 20/03/2016 11:28:30 »



Signal 1  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> antena -- signal 3


Signal 1 = energy E1
Signal 2 = ( UNIVERES )

Signal 3 = Signal 1 + signal 2  ( energy E2 )

E2 > E1



 

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Re: Are we able use this energy ?
« Reply #1 on: 20/03/2016 13:08:36 »
I don't understand the question. Resonance requires an input of energy to create it.
Your pictures don't show a resonance but an addition due to separate sources.
 

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Re: Are we able use this energy ?
« Reply #2 on: 20/03/2016 15:06:11 »
please start the signal  X Hz

UNIVERSE  also  X Hz


What You will hear ?
 

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Re: Are we able use this energy ?
« Reply #3 on: 20/03/2016 15:16:36 »
please start the signal  X Hz

UNIVERSE  also  X Hz


What You will hear ?
It depends on the phase relationship, but anywhere between zero and the sum of the 2 amplitudes.
It also depends what the 2 signals are, some don't combine in this way because they are uncorrelated.
 

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Re: Are we able use this energy ?
« Reply #4 on: 20/03/2016 20:27:55 »
The building in the photo is Tesla's wireless transmission research station on Long Island, New York. He was aiming to transmit information, building lighting and electrical power wirelessly through teh bulk of the Earth and through the ionosphere. Tesla based his ideas on electrical conduction and resonance (which didn't work as well as he hoped).

Unfortunately for Tesla, his competitor Marconi based his ideas on those of electromagnetic transmission from Hertz and Maxwell (which worked well for local and international information transmission). 
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Are we able to use this energy? 3xmore energy
No.

It is not clear if the "3x" in the diagram refers to a pressure or a power. If it is 3x pressure into the ear, you get 9x power into the ear (because tripling the pressure results in tripling the defection of your eardrum, ie 3x3=9 times the power).

Resonance depends on the Q-Factor (Quality factor) of a resonant system; the higher the Q-Factor, the higher the voltage in a circuit (or pressure in an acoustic resonator like a flute, or intensity in an optical resonator like a laser). You maximize Q-Factor by reducing attenuation and losses at the resonant frequency.

The problem with extracting energy out of a resonant system is that it reduces the Q-Factor. If you try to get out as much energy as you put in, the Q-Factor declines to slightly worse than having no resonator.

Under no circumstances can a resonator put out more energy than goes in. But there are cases like Q-switched lasers where you can put in power over an extended period, and extract it in a short period, resulting in a very high peak power. But the average output power is still less than than the average input power.

So I am afraid that you can't beat the law of conservation of energy using a resonator. You can't get out more energy than you put in.

You will notice that there is no corresponding law of "conservation of voltage", "conservation of sound pressure" or "conservation of light intensity"; this is the factor that a resonator modifies.
 
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Re: Are we able use this energy ?
« Reply #5 on: 20/03/2016 20:56:46 »
PS: Thinking about it, Tesla's dramatic demonstrations with his eponymous Tesla Coil used a form of Q-Switching.

Initially, the primary and secondary form a high-Q resonator with a resonant frequency in the kHz to MHz range.

Pulsing the primary with a high current at a low voltage starts it resonating; this same pulse of energy then transfers to the tuned secondary with a low current at a high voltage over a period of milliseconds. This all occurs with a high Q-Factor.

Then the air arcs over (sudden change to a low-Q state), producing loud thunderclaps and sparks that can be 3m long, with instantaneous power in the MegaWatt range - except they only last for microseconds.

In accordance with Conservation of Energy, the total output power is less than the input power.
 

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Re: Are we able use this energy ?
« Reply #6 on: 22/03/2016 12:29:23 »
My drawing explain simple rules

Initial signal E1 energy  ......>signal is flying  >>>>....  anten

antena is registering E1 + E x energy
Ex - free energy from universe !


Wave1 + wave 2  = Wave 3

wave 3 - anten
wave 2 - signal from universe
wave 1 - You starting wave



                  Signal from universe
                           V
                           V
                           V
 wave 1  >>>>.........................anten


signal from universe = free energy  ( similar to termal energy - hot water )

 

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Re: Are we able use this energy ?
« Reply #7 on: 22/03/2016 12:40:28 »
I don't think you have understood the replies given.
 

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Re: Are we able use this energy ?
« Reply #8 on: 22/03/2016 13:05:44 »
So I am afraid that you can't beat the law of conservation of energy using a resonator. You can't get out more energy than you put in.


    Signal from universe
                           V
                           V
                           V
 wave 1  >>>>.........................anten


signal from universe = free energy  ( similar to termal energy - hot water )
I not producing  energy

Wave 1 + wave 2 = wave 3

IF Wave 1 I started ( I invest this energy )
and Wave 2 = universe

Wave 3 = more energy than I started







 

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Re: Are we able use this energy ?
« Reply #9 on: 22/03/2016 15:27:23 »
please start the signal  X Hz

UNIVERSE  also  X Hz


What You will hear ?
You have a wrong idea of resonance. Resonance is defined as follows
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In physics, resonance is a phenomenon that occurs when a vibrating system or external force drives another system to oscillate with greater amplitude at a specific preferential frequency.
The frequency will not change at any place in your setup. You two sources of EM waves which are directed towards each other with the antenna in the middle. The energy density in the wave will depend on the phase of the waves.
 

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