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What is gravity?
« on: 24/04/2016 14:26:29 »
What is gravity? Scientists are perplexed how objects could attract each other. Newton came out with good formulas to show that the sun attracts the Earth and two lead balls in the lab attract each other. The apple falls to the ground. surely objects attract each other. But that is not true.
The sun is constantly radiating gravitational waves. The earth is radiating gravitational waves. These wave do not flow out freely into empty space.  they jump one tiny space at a time at the speed of light. As they jump they push against the previous spherical wave  and push it.  this in turn kicks back upon the sun and the earth.Thus the Earth has self gravity due to the radiation of its own waves. the same is true of the sun. As we look at the radiation pattern, you get a complex picture of a total kickback between sun and earth which is centered at the gravitational mass center of the two objects. Thus the net force of the total kickback effect  pushes the earth toward the sun. This is countered by the rotational of the earth around the sun.
As the Earth radiates gravitational waves, the mass of the Earth decreases with time and the Earth expands. the radiation is spherical waves and this is not readily picked up since our instruments  look for photons with linear radiation. Gravity is caused by spherical radiation of dot-waves which have a mass/energy of 1.566E-72Kilograms. This is much too small for our instruments to detect although we can measure the effect of huge numbers of radiated dot-waves from black holes as presently being studied.

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Re: What is gravity?
« Reply #1 on: 24/04/2016 17:31:43 »
What is gravity? Scientists are perplexed how objects could attract each other. Newton came out with good formulas to show that the sun attracts the Earth and two lead balls in the lab attract each other. The apple falls to the ground. surely objects attract each other. But that is not true.
The sun is constantly radiating gravitational waves. The earth is radiating gravitational waves. These wave do not flow out freely into empty space.  they jump one tiny space at a time at the speed of light. As they jump they push against the previous spherical wave  and push it.  this in turn kicks back upon the sun and the earth.Thus the Earth has self gravity due to the radiation of its own waves. the same is true of the sun. As we look at the radiation pattern, you get a complex picture of a total kickback between sun and earth which is centered at the gravitational mass center of the two objects. Thus the net force of the total kickback effect  pushes the earth toward the sun. This is countered by the rotational of the earth around the sun.
As the Earth radiates gravitational waves, the mass of the Earth decreases with time and the Earth expands. the radiation is spherical waves and this is not readily picked up since our instruments  look for photons with linear radiation. Gravity is caused by spherical radiation of dot-waves which have a mass/energy of 1.566E-72Kilograms. This is much too small for our instruments to detect although we can measure the effect of huge numbers of radiated dot-waves from black holes as presently being studied.

Interesting...I don' like the term dot-waves, waves would of done.

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Re: What is gravity?
« Reply #2 on: 24/04/2016 20:51:11 »
When I started my dot-wave theory in 1981, I called them dots and I calculated the mass/energy of each dot. Years later when I self-published "Doppler Space Time" (c) 2000 I still called them dots. They existed in huge quanties within the proton, electron, and neutron. There are 1.0691E45 dots per neutron. Slowly over time they became spherical waves. In addition as I self published "The Gravitational Wave and the Dot-Wave theory (c) 2016, It became clear to me that the oscillating dot-wave can shrink to the size of a dot and then expand to the size of a neutron or proton. This oscillation gives it mass and energy. So the dot-wave is a dot and then expands and returns to being a dot. The important thing is that we can get billions of billions of dot-waves within the neutron.
The radiation of the dot-waves is that they leave a neutron or proton in harmony with the expansion of the universe. So they cannot all flow out because the neutron itself is the size of the universe when you consider all the dot-waves that have radiated out since the neutrons formed. This is pure spherical radiation like a light sphere and not the type of radiation such as a photon traveling in a straight line.

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Re: What is gravity?
« Reply #3 on: 07/05/2016 07:31:20 »
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What is gravity? Scientists are perplexed how objects could attract each other. Newton came out with good formulas to show that the sun attracts the Earth and two lead balls in the lab attract each other. The apple falls to the ground. surely objects attract each other. But that is not true.
The main problem with your assertion here is that science does not deal with the concepts of true and false.

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The sun is constantly radiating gravitational waves. The earth is radiating gravitational waves.
That is quite wrong. According to general relativity (GR) the Sun and Earth do not radiate gravitational waves. For that to happen those bodies would have to have a time varying mass distribution. Since each of them are spherical their mass distribution does not vary with time as they rotate.

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Re: What is gravity?
« Reply #4 on: 08/05/2016 02:02:12 »
my theory is : every big mass can bend the time to go slow and if time is going slow the objects get more stability so other objects try to get close to gain stability and we call it gravity

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Re: What is gravity?
« Reply #5 on: 11/05/2016 08:09:31 »
in my theory, quantum metaphysics, I present that gravity is a kind of compression of information that influences the perception of moving objects.

Moreso, that everything is information is some information can be interepreted as "gravity". This information changes as the radius of the fundamental field (around the basic unit of perspective) changes.

Whatever it may be, it's certainly interesting to think about.

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Re: What is gravity?
« Reply #6 on: 14/05/2016 11:15:39 »
in my theory, quantum metaphysics, I present that gravity is a kind of compression of information that influences the perception of moving objects.

Moreso, that everything is information is some information can be interepreted as "gravity". This information changes as the radius of the fundamental field (around the basic unit of perspective) changes.

Whatever it may be, it's certainly interesting to think about.

No, gravity is a fundamental force that allows two or more particles to adjoin, gravity has nothing to do with ''information''.

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Re: What is gravity?
« Reply #7 on: 14/05/2016 11:19:44 »

That is quite wrong. According to general relativity (GR) the Sun and Earth do not radiate gravitational waves. For that to happen those bodies would have to have a time varying mass distribution. Since each of them are spherical their mass distribution does not vary with time as they rotate.

I must correct you there Pete, only the Sun is spherical, the Earth is more oblate , the mass is distributed unevenly of the Earth by the Rotation of the Earth to try and form a ''disk'' like shape.

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Re: What is gravity?
« Reply #8 on: 14/05/2016 11:23:08 »
When I started my dot-wave theory in 1981, I called them dots and I calculated the mass/energy of each dot. Years later when I self-published "Doppler Space Time" (c) 2000 I still called them dots. They existed in huge quanties within the proton, electron, and neutron. There are 1.0691E45 dots per neutron. Slowly over time they became spherical waves. In addition as I self published "The Gravitational Wave and the Dot-Wave theory (c) 2016, It became clear to me that the oscillating dot-wave can shrink to the size of a dot and then expand to the size of a neutron or proton. This oscillation gives it mass and energy. So the dot-wave is a dot and then expands and returns to being a dot. The important thing is that we can get billions of billions of dot-waves within the neutron.
The radiation of the dot-waves is that they leave a neutron or proton in harmony with the expansion of the universe. So they cannot all flow out because the neutron itself is the size of the universe when you consider all the dot-waves that have radiated out since the neutrons formed. This is pure spherical radiation like a light sphere and not the type of radiation such as a photon traveling in a straight line.

Remove you dots of your intrinsic ''space-time'' matrix and replace with 0 point space or 0 point source, all of space is made of 0 points that make up the volume, all 0 points are ''adjoined'' by the strong nuclear force of ''space'' itself.

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Re: What is gravity?
« Reply #9 on: 22/06/2016 00:58:33 »
my theory is : every big mass can bend the time to go slow and if time is going slow the objects get more stability so other objects try to get close to gain stability and we call it gravity
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What is gravity? Scientists are perplexed how objects could attract each other. Newton came out with good formulas to show that the sun attracts the Earth and two lead balls in the lab attract each other. The apple falls to the ground. surely objects attract each other. But that is not true.
The main problem with your assertion here is that science does not deal with the concepts of true and false.

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The sun is constantly radiating gravitational waves. The earth is radiating gravitational waves.
That is quite wrong. According to general relativity (GR) the Sun and Earth do not radiate gravitational waves. For that to happen those bodies would have to have a time varying mass distribution. Since each of them are spherical their mass distribution does not vary with time as they rotate.
That is quite wrong. According to general relativity (GR) the Sun and Earth do not radiate gravitational waves. For that to happen those bodies would have to have a time varying mass distribution. Since each of them are spherical their mass distribution does not vary with time as they rotate.
You are assuming that GR is correct.Einstein made some good calculations for sure but he did not explain gravity. His GR is merely a mathematicians answer and lacks a true understanding of Gravity. His curved space time is merely the curvature of the gravitational waves.  Every rotating body radiates. Everyone knows that but what is obvious has been overlooked so that 100 years after Einstein's theory, people are still fooled into believing the unbelievable.  The only reason for gravity is radiation. The radiation is tied to the entire gravitational wave which extends to the distance in light years since the start of the sun or Earth. Thus the gravitational field of the sun is huge. As the sun radiates it loses energy which turns into dark energy. Thus slowly over time the sun erases. Protons erase and neutrons erase. Yet most things are common mode thus the universe expands and the ruler expands and time slows. this is not easily observed since we are over 13.78 billion years since big bang.

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Re: What is gravity?
« Reply #10 on: 22/06/2016 16:54:35 »
What is gravity? Scientists are perplexed how objects could attract each other. Newton came out with good formulas to show that the sun attracts the Earth and two lead balls in the lab attract each other. The apple falls to the ground. surely objects attract each other. But that is not true.
The sun is constantly radiating gravitational waves. The earth is radiating gravitational waves. These wave do not flow out freely into empty space.  they jump one tiny space at a time at the speed of light. As they jump they push against the previous spherical wave  and push it.  this in turn kicks back upon the sun and the earth.Thus the Earth has self gravity due to the radiation of its own waves. the same is true of the sun. As we look at the radiation pattern, you get a complex picture of a total kickback between sun and earth which is centered at the gravitational mass center of the two objects. Thus the net force of the total kickback effect  pushes the earth toward the sun. This is countered by the rotational of the earth around the sun.
As the Earth radiates gravitational waves, the mass of the Earth decreases with time and the Earth expands. the radiation is spherical waves and this is not readily picked up since our instruments  look for photons with linear radiation. Gravity is caused by spherical radiation of dot-waves which have a mass/energy of 1.566E-72Kilograms. This is much too small for our instruments to detect although we can measure the effect of huge numbers of radiated dot-waves from black holes as presently being studied.

You could read the theory I post on section about general universe concept, but I'll apoint you my concept...
Eistein's equation is one that calculate the reaction without understand the question, and it is correct, but incomplete....

I'll have to be subversive here or I don't know howto say, pick up the sun as example, stars are rounded because the same colision of mater with anti-atter is emanating enourmous amounts of heat, a "specific temperature", that is when dakr energy causes expansion, as if gets cold it gets neutral again, but the same expansion also results in a compression of wherever is in the interior, but read the theory and lets be objective  here..

Planets have no real weight! Not at the horizontal spiral disk, what is the horizontal spiral disk?
t is formed by the enconter of two vortexes that the sun emanates from its poles, the eletromagnetic field there is able to heat up dark energy and force it to expand itself, eventually the votexes loose power and star to loose to outer space colder dark energy "being" compresed it starts to decay in something that resables a negative hyper parabole that inevitable find itself again at the edge ofthe horizontal disk, and anything inside the sphere will be pushed to the center, resulting in a disk, a plate, how mater get there?

Space fabric can't pass trough dense atomic structure, not easlly aso it pushes it among with its own compresion, inevitable gathering mater at the horizontal disk...
Now Einsteins universe is flat and result a negative fluctuation due the planets weight! it is wrong!

Planets have no weight at all, the weight on a surface of planet is resulted by the difference of compression of out side, against the inner corre expansion, this event ends at the edge of the atmosphere, in the case of earth, the eletromagnetism goes beyond but using the vortexes, the poles to leak, how?

The "star" formes a field of density around the area, called sphere, where density gathers mater at the center, where they have no weight, the weight on a planet subject us to it, it is real tous, but planets are floating on the horizontal disk they do not know their own weight, at all!
My universe concept have local universes called spheres, the galaxy itself is one, but here lets focused on  heliosphere, the heliosphere set the planets floating at the horizontal disk, once there since dark energy can't pass trough dense atomic structure, it flows around it, from 360° compressing from outside, us, "against the sun", at the same time whatyou call as solar winds, its the inner core expansion pushing us out, as it did with the ort cloud...

Sicne dark energy can't penetrate dense atomic structure it compresses it, shaping them into sphere like objects, we planets, stars, blackholes, we are interpreted as a "hole" on its fabric, not a depresion, we can't fall, we are literly a mass of expansion inside the 4d universefabric, it is space fabric that bends itself around us, on he horizontal disk, producing two fluctuations, the same as Eistein used to explain with the sheet, but there is two sheets compressing one agains the other, and this fluctuations happen without the planets never fall on the cheet....

Our moviment, orbits? granted by the pining of the horizontal disk on heliosphere, our gravity, is resultand of our simple presence, our magnetosphere is resultant of our inner expansion, and so does the sun...

Now the break news, the stars are not atracting us, they are actually saving us from being compresed over them, and so is doing the black holes and every single sphere like object out there, it is space guys, the expansion of space also compresses the interior, the inner expansion of the stars and planets with a activated magnetosphere is what prevent us from become one super massive all of mater...

Now hold one, if you want to know how by observation I get to the conclusion that theinner core of the planets is formed by super hot dark energy that was traped i there, due compression the space within the atoms is copressed to the center of every single planet and sun, even the black holes are a gigantic force of expansion, as much as you expand more comrpessed you will be, as more compresse more you expand...
Planets can trnasfer heat trough their crost or anything they are made, a neutron star that colapsed over "its own expansion", its a inner corre without the crost, a expossed innercore that due specfic reactions now cannot cool down, it simple can't transfer heat to anything, cause as it expands, its mre compressed and so the heat will be traped there, conserved....

The inner cores expands the planets as the compression from outerspace is reduced, the expansion starts to win, and the stars and planets start to expand at the end oftheir lifes, untill the coold dark energy finally reaches their inned core and trigger super novas and novas that will expand their crost away at the same time they will compress the inner core in, resulting in a dead core star, "cooled" or a black hole if some how the core is able to keep heating up, forming a new layer by adding matter, or being a zombi star, its the same....

When tesla claim that the planet ring like a bell? he was refering to this very vibration, cased by the constant compression of the horizontal disk against the inner corre expansion, this makes the vibrations leak using the space within the atoms of the middle layers to leak out to the surface, this is not the expansion it self, it goes beyond untill the edge of the atmosphere causing friction, the vibration is reserved to the crost, I wonder if did he ever related one thing with the other.... I mean anyone living now adays that if someone atest like me, that in the case of the sun, that the sun is not atracting us, it is actually pushing us away from him using the inner core expansion, the heliosphere like you want to do with the probes and satelites, not the light or the heat of the sun but the expansion waves due heated dark energy, as it did to form the ort cloud, sun is the source of the ort cloud not go in to, but space compression will eventually aways win, the very expansion of the universe, expandsit and in the same event compresses the interior to, tell me will any "serious" famous scientis be able to hear me and believe that is objective and not subversion? For every single observation someone point about gravity, there will be Einstein common sense and another explanation, I atest once again the main stars are pushing the planets away to outside their spheres, and the gravity is space compression itself... Any of us, i interpreted as a hole on its fabric, and dark energy compression is constantly tring to seal us, compressing us, heating our dark energy trapped inside the iner core, to the point it starts to expand back...  Einstein was a way more preparated then I'm, but we do share one common carracteristic, I do sit and stay still wondering and review my tought based on observation for years, I may be wrong about the details but I know to be right about inner expansion... We do have weight on the planets, its real because there is compression, but planets are not subjected to their own mass, they are floating the horizontal disk and even if get out of the galaxy they wont fall because the galaxies themselves are existing inside another hyper horizontal disk...﻿

Now read the whole theory, the proble,, is for every aspect I apont Einstein common sense also provides a explanation, making me sound subjection... Any way loose a few minutes...

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Re: What is gravity?
« Reply #11 on: 02/07/2016 00:42:38 »
Remove you dots of your intrinsic ''space-time'' matrix and replace with 0 point space or 0 point source, all of space is made of 0 points that make up the volume, all 0 points are ''adjoined'' by the strong nuclear force of ''space'' itself.

Unfortunately the idea that space has some properties enables mathematicians to formulate equations that really have no valid practical reality. the universe is an engineering entity and not a scientific/mathematical entity. therefore instead of games of numbers involving properties of space and time, it is necessary to really understand a practical physically realizable universe. Einsteins space time is ultimately meaningless. The universe is a real place and governed by real laws.

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Re: What is gravity?
« Reply #12 on: 02/07/2016 04:24:00 »
Planets have no weight at all, the weight on a surface of planet is resulted by the difference of compression of out side, against the inner corre expansion, this event ends at the edge of the atmosphere, in the case of earth, the eletromagnetism goes beyond but using the vortexes, the poles to leak, how?
This is an interesting idea, but it doesn't likely work since there is evidence that the planets interact with each other through gravitation.

In every case, if you want your idea to be taken seriously, you have to be able to use it to calculate the orbits of the planets at least as well as Newton's theory can. If you can't use it to calculate an orbit, it isn't gravitational physics.

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« Reply #13 on: 02/07/2016 04:28:38 »
Unfortunately the idea that space has some properties enables mathematicians to formulate equations that really have no valid practical reality. the universe is an engineering entity and not a scientific/mathematical entity. therefore instead of games of numbers involving properties of space and time, it is necessary to really understand a practical physically realizable universe. Einsteins space time is ultimately meaningless. The universe is a real place and governed by real laws.
If only general relativity had some applications!

Oh, wait... GPS. http://physicscentral.com/explore/writers/will.cfm

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« Reply #14 on: 02/07/2016 05:09:24 »
This is an interesting idea, but it doesn't likely work since there is evidence that the planets interact with each other through gravitation.

In every case, if you want your idea to be taken seriously, you have to be able to use it to calculate the orbits of the planets at least as well as Newton's theory can. If you can't use it to calculate an orbit, it isn't gravitational physics.

Thanks for the consideration, but I thing you missed the whole benefit of my concept, they already calculated the reactions, Newtons and Einstein did a hel of a job, althoug Tesla was the true genius, his missunderstanding is that he didn't wan't nothing, and used poetry to describle his matematical calculations cause he was deligthed with it's own achievements, back there he was right but the technoledge never let him to prove, so he spend more than half of his life building it himself...
What I mean is, we created the weight concept, and we calculated the reactions using it, nothing more than a simple word, "Weight", the equations Einstein developed doesn't need to be changed, we are matter, and he calculated the reactions correctly even without have ever understood the question, he never assumed that he was a genius he named it for Nickolas, so I don't see any problem in keep using it to describle the reactions of gravity, for inside our orbit and solar system, without that we can't go further...
of course I can be wrong, but in the hypotetical possibilitie that I'm not, what you, science people need to try is to watch a god dam black hole as close as you can, see if it is a depresion or a pure mass of inner expansion agains space compression, the same as a planet without a cross that by specific reasons was able to compress its outercore over its own expansion, exponentially increassing the heat by have being shrinked to the minimum size, this generating a specific temperature when the expansion goes much beyond the crost that it does not have anymore, becaming virtually untouchable as more it expands more it is compressed as more it is compressed more hat and more it expands, since the black hole is wandering trought the cosmos space around of it wont heat up and will keep the compression, anyway read the whole theory on the new theory topic, I would realy like to know what you thing about it...
One way or another the EM Drives will probably prove the warp of space time be possible by heating up space fabric using eletromagnetism or radiation that will cause propolsion or in the case of a sphere model, a artificial sparial disk leading us to infinite free energy, levitation and warp in one single punch...

I'd make a bet with you, light is not the photons traveling at speed of the frequencies of the electromagnetic wavelenghts... Space fabric is formed by a infinity fo self compressed photons, call it dark energy if you prefer, the destruction of atomic bounds of the black holes also uses its eletromagnectic field to convert the particles into photons, the light or spectrum as we know, happens be the electromagnetic wavelenght frequecies traveling "trought" the photons, not carring them but activating them as the frequencies are passing trought them, the same goes for light, light is instantaneous because the photons are invisible to us, they are all around us right now, compression themselves against mater, against dense atomic structure, when a ray of light is reflected by a wall is not the photons that are being reflected, its the wavelenght frequencies that are being deflected because of the dense atomic structure of the wal, they are being deflected over and trought the static photons that where already there, even before th waves have reached the wall, and the photons desapear again as soon as the frequencies cease to exist, no photon can be destroyed nor split, they seems to desapar and reapear because frequencies passing by and where not even the same photons....  Gravity is compression caused by the disruption of space fabric caused by the eletromagnetism leaking from the poles of the bodies with a activated magnetosphere, this generates a invsible sphere, that gathers all the atoms around of it, and push it towards the borders and than invite them slowly to inside the horizontal spiral disk, the star is actually pushing the atmic structure away from it using its heat to expand the space, like solar winds, what pushes one planet agains the other its the self compression of the photons over the star...
For me universe was drawn from upside down, but the reactions and the math are correct, universe must be a sphere with the center on the middle and inside of it there are local gravity caused by the same event in lower scale like, magnetosphere, heliosphere, starsphere, blackholesphere, super massive black holesphere equals galaxy, than grt atractor hyper massive sphere, and could not end there, to the bigest to the smallest being the atom, all are the same thing, and all was light and as Tesla claimed the space outhere is inactivated matter, matter was created from energy using different temperatures and eletromagnetic waves to form particles, all the photons that where produced became inert as the universe cooled down, and here we are, made from energy, frequency and temperature... And no matter to where we move, everthing will be always floating with no weight cause there will be always a horizontal disk compression on the backgrond, the one whose the very compression of the plates make us vibrate, like those experiments of levitation using frequencies...

No need for new theories, enought of those, we need to start to become more pyshical experimental beings and the rest must be pure math, no theories, theories started to existed from the necessity of explanation, if early scientis had paid more atention to nature they would have noticed the correct begining, and from that point one there would be no need fro theories only experimentation...

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« Reply #15 on: 02/07/2016 05:17:03 »
This is an interesting idea, but it doesn't likely work since there is evidence that the planets interact with each other through gravitation.

There is evidence of planets emanating eletromagnetism, and eletromagnetism interacts with space fabric expanding it and compressing, providing different temperatures, changing its densisty, and planets are only providing the source of heat and eletromagnetism, the real deal is that they are being "pushed" one agains the other simple by being existing, wanna know what a planet is from space point of view? a hole tha it can't penetrate trought, a litteraly spheric hole on its fabric simple by being dense, as bigger the hole, greater the compression it is able to recieve from its own expansion over the compressed frabric of space, with wiout have ever falled on it due its weight, is space fabric that bends itself around the planet expansion, forming not one depresion, but indeed two positive fluctuation on the horizontal disk, and those fluctuations called as poles forming another local horizontal disk, and so it goes for all celestial bodies with a activated magnetosphere, the other small objects that are not dense or big enought to heat up the inner core and expand back are simple comet or spherical planet like objects, like a few moons...

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« Reply #16 on: 07/07/2016 13:53:51 »
There is evidence of planets emanating eletromagnetism, and eletromagnetism interacts with space fabric expanding it and compressing, providing different temperatures, changing its densisty, and planets are only providing the source of heat and eletromagnetism, the real deal is that they are being "pushed" one agains the other simple by being existing,

In many respects the gravitational field and the electromagnetic field operate in the same manner. the moon spins around the Earth and interacts with the Earths field. This causes an induced gravitational field in the moon and gravitational eddy currents.  thus we heat up the moon. At the same time the moon heats us up. The face of the moon is phase locked to the Earth. thus over time the eddy currents forced the moon's face to be stationary. Therefore the gravitational field caused gravitational eddy currents and we ended up with an electrical type motor.
It is true that the magnetic fields will produce electrical eddy currents as well. thus we have magnetic effects and gravitational effects. Your concepts have to explain why two heavy lead balls in the laboratory attract each other. No magnetic effects are measured but the gravitational field is measured. So any theory of gravity you have must explain the lab measurements of the two lead balls.

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« Reply #17 on: 07/07/2016 23:18:30 »
There is evidence of planets emanating eletromagnetism, and eletromagnetism interacts with space fabric expanding it and compressing, providing different temperatures, changing its densisty, and planets are only providing the source of heat and eletromagnetism, the real deal is that they are being "pushed" one agains the other simple by being existing,

In many respects the gravitational field and the electromagnetic field operate in the same manner. the moon spins around the Earth and interacts with the Earths field. This causes an induced gravitational field in the moon and gravitational eddy currents.  thus we heat up the moon. At the same time the moon heats us up. The face of the moon is phase locked to the Earth. thus over time the eddy currents forced the moon's face to be stationary. Therefore the gravitational field caused gravitational eddy currents and we ended up with an electrical type motor.
It is true that the magnetic fields will produce electrical eddy currents as well. thus we have magnetic effects and gravitational effects. Your concepts have to explain why two heavy lead balls in the laboratory attract each other. No magnetic effects are measured but the gravitational field is measured. So any theory of gravity you have must explain the lab measurements of the two lead balls.

That's always sounded strange to me, this atraction between two objects, for me make sense the mass diturbing the photonic fabric and universe inflation as the force, consequently due the precense of atomic structure within its fabric, holes within its fabric, for them the expansion is interpreted as compression, ant it would be correct, but there where never compression as a force only as a reaction, the only force is the expansion...
For me two objects where never atracted one towards the other, but the universe expansion compressing one towards the other,in case of a star or any planet with a activated magnetosphere, they produce heat and electromagnetism, and the field they produce, the invisible sphere, changes the density of inside of it, to outside of it, leaking from the poles, "at the end of the process"...
See let me explain different, when a star is born, the magnetism is leaking from all the axes, like a wave, soon the expansion due heated up dark energy from inside the sphere, is counterparted by the universe expansion, there is no compression asthe force, only as the result of the enconter of two expansive forces, the universe from outside in, and the star from inside out, but the star exist within the universe, one expansion will colapse over the other, resulting in compresion of the interior of the invisible sphere...
Like, at this point the poles are not settle cause there is almost no rotation, the universe compression is bigger than stronger, always stronger, than the star expansion, the sphere expansion, this colision of expansion against expansion will balance when the two forces become balanced...
See the universe expansion is always wining the stars expansion, but as more expansion from universe is applyed over the sphere of the star, it stars to convert it into acceleration, at this point the stars starts to rotate, the rotation start than to form two poles, and increassing the acceleration of the main star innercore you also increase the magnetosphere power, forcing it to leak only from the poles...
Now the sphere starts to be more stong at the poles, and from a spheric expansion in all directions, it start to work differently, the vortexes the poles are emanating still being subjected to the same universe expansion over them, as soon the electromagnetism of the main star starts to get weak the universe expansion starts to push it back twoards the star, but the vortexes are to powerfull and the universe expansion starts to force the vortexes to open up to away the stars, reforming the sphere...
The flow this colision of forces produce force the two poles to fall one agains the other and away form the stars, forming the outer edge of the star horizontal spiral disk, like two umbrelas one being compressed against the other... This will keep out any dense object, it can't go away, it can't come in, not without own acceleration, this is represented as the ort cloud at the edge of the heliosphere, the same fate won't be shared by the mater that become traped on the horizontal spiral disk compression point, the plate...
There planets will exist but the compression will keep them floating with no real weight, at the same time the inner expansion of the star will be pushing them away at the same point and with the exact same force as the universe expansion pushing them against the main star,....
This can't be changed simple vecause the magnetosphere of the star will be alway the same, and even if one expansion beome more etreme than the other, the acceleration will change, increasing the vortex power constantly rebalancing the two expansions, thus the orbits on the horizontal spiral disk...

Can you see now the orbits? Of course there is the interaction of planets with a activated magnetosphere, inclinating their poles against the main star, inclinating themselves on the horizontal disk, but this only determinates the rotation of the planets themselves, the proximity the planets have with the main star and away from them is predeterminated alone by the two forces of expansion... The one of the universe, against, the one of the main star...

Now if someone ask me why or to prove that two objects are atracting one against the other due magnetic field interation one with the otherm this is only true in lower scales with planets and moons, natural satelites, with a magnetosphere to interact with, but the main star is not giving a dam to the planets, its precense is only important to form the sphere because you need it to hve a horizontal spiral disk compression, other wise you would loose your orbit, the importance of a mains sun to a planet is only provide the horizontal spiral disk, maybe not only talking about geological features and events, but in terms of orbits, the plantes only need the horizontal spiral disk it provides, not its mass, enought of talking about the suns weight, only its mass proportional to the electromagnetism, to produce the horizontal spiral disk, no need to be bending space, at all...

There is only expansion as the force, various types of local expansion inside a larger version of themselves, all those local expansions happening inside another horizontal spiral disk, from the atom to the big bang. Even the main universe expansion is submited to compresion as a reaction, expansion from inside out, aganst compression of the same force but from inside out, simple because one does not expand itself in only one direction, not in terms of a spherical field, the only difference from the big bang magnetosphere, is that it is not subjected by any other expansion from outside in but it's own, being so the universe expansion and compresion is only limited by the amoung of its fabric, dark energy, being produced within its interior...

there is more dark energy out there than is matter, should be because dark energy is deactivated matter, matter that was deactivated by having its atomic structure decomposed by acceleration and subsequentlly having its particles irradiated, converting matter into deactivated matter, producing space fabric, the soure of this mass production must be the process of the black holes out there, sounds as subjection but is not that is much more space than is matter, could be only the case as space fabric grous bigger and expands by converting matter into space fabric...

I don't consider the math to be wrong, nor science, but what they call as atraction, is only but a miss interpretated point of view, they try to explain the universe point of view by observating the matter reactions,  the math would inevitable be correct, its only a mater about change the perspective, only that...
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