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#### jeffreyH

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##### The Higgs VEV, mass and velocity
« on: 26/04/2016 22:27:50 »
Massless particles travel at the speed of light so that if the Higgs mechanism didn't exist all elementary particles would be massless. If the Higgs vacuum expectation value were to decrease then the mass it gives to the elementary particles should also decrease in proportion. Since a zero VEV would impart no mass is there a connection between particle kinetic energy and the VEV magnitude? This question relates to the effect of the force of gravity so would only apply to general relativity and be excluded from special relativity.

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##### Re: The Higgs VEV, mass and velocity
« Reply #1 on: 27/04/2016 00:46:17 »
Readers of this thread may be wondering why velocity was included in the title. Simply because with zero mass particle velocity would have to equal the speed of light. Also it may be that this change would have to scale in proportion with the density of the gravitational field. Basically increasing density makes it easier to move things in the direction of the field source.

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##### Re: The Higgs VEV, mass and velocity
« Reply #2 on: 27/04/2016 20:51:28 »
The difficulty with these concepts is in fitting them to the handedness of particles. Both left and right and how they interact with the Higgs field. That is, how do two distinct particles join into one via this interaction? How can this be reconciled with the idea of gravity altering how the Higgs mechanism works?

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##### Re: The Higgs VEV, mass and velocity
« Reply #3 on: 30/04/2016 08:34:54 »
The difficulty with these concepts is in fitting them to the handedness of particles. Both left and right and how they interact with the Higgs field. That is, how do two distinct particles join into one via this interaction? How can this be reconciled with the idea of gravity altering how the Higgs mechanism works?

What if we forget the Photon exists for a minute and consider light to be like an isotropic ''laser'' and the speed of light is the speed it takes for the ''tip'' of the laser to travel from A→B before the flow is bottlenecked.

What if we consider that the nothing space has a mono pole magnetic field a bit like magnetic bottling, then what if we consider the ''laser'' spins the magnetic field of the  nothing space.

Is your Higgs field the ''magnetic bottling''?

Plasma research and magnetic bottling is trying to mimic the Sun and the Universe, is the copy we try to make more of a small scale clone of what we exist in?

Massless particles are not a particle, they are a physical energy ,  energy is like ''water'' that has a  ''viscosity'' of 0.

There is no evidence of a single photon, releasing a dot of light is not natural and our stupidity.

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##### Re: The Higgs VEV, mass and velocity
« Reply #4 on: 30/04/2016 14:30:26 »
Well consider this Thebox. If you look at a pictorial representation of the potential of the Higgs field it looks like a Mexican hat. The peak in the centre is the point of symmetry where the potential value is zero along the x axis. Being on this hill is unstable and so it is easy to move the potential so that it 'rolls' down to the brim of the hat spontaneously breaking symmetry. Since if we rotate the graphic of the potential it is no longer symmetrical. Now the potential can move two ways. Either back towards the top of the hat meaning the mass it bestows on matter goes down. Or up the exponential slope away from the centre where mass increases as well as inertial. What if our attempts to move objects moved away from symmetry and up the increasingly steep hill but gravity went the other way towards the top of the hat?

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##### Re: The Higgs VEV, mass and velocity
« Reply #5 on: 01/05/2016 11:11:22 »
An oscillation within the brim of the Higgs potential is the Higgs boson. So one problem with skewing this oscillation is that it creates an asymmetrical particle. This would occur both for the force of gravity and an applied external force. The energy of the Higgs boson would in effect have to oscillate in magnitude. I have no idea if this is viable. Frequency and energy have a direct relationship but how does an oscillation in energy relate to the wave function. I now have to go to the Schrodinger equation. I might reply sometime next year then.

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##### Re: The Higgs VEV, mass and velocity
« Reply #6 on: 01/05/2016 11:14:18 »
One last point. This energy skew may produce different versions of the Higgs boson.

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##### Re: The Higgs VEV, mass and velocity
« Reply #7 on: 01/05/2016 12:59:46 »
I think the hat is wrong, I think the higgs field looks like this -

''The Higgs field is an energy field that is thought to exist everywhere in the universe.''
« Last Edit: 01/05/2016 13:05:34 by Thebox »

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##### Re: The Higgs VEV, mass and velocity
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