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Re: What is absolute nothingness?
« Reply #25 on: 01/06/2016 15:04:08 »
The null set/empty set is actually a really fascinating tool in discrete math. It's literally written as the compliment of the universe. Another way of saying that is "the opposite of everything". An interesting way of looking at this from a philosophical standpoint is that every discrete universe (mathematically speaking) whether it be finite or infinite all have *at least* one common element in their power sets, the null set itself. I see this as a way of saying that all universes are built from the null set to begin with; so the null set is like a blank canvas, it's more than "nothing", it's emptiness and possibility unbridled. It's a big bang waiting to happen.
 

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« Reply #26 on: 09/10/2016 13:00:26 »
(The following is based on a more extensive idea first described by me in 1963):
   
       A previously undefined concept of Absolute Nothingness may be postulated.  This principle is more easily understood if instead of customarily accepting the division of time as being limitless, it should rather be considered quantized into finite units.  In other words, a degree of time partition could be reached by which no further segmentation would be possible.  The unit at that point would be the fundamental quantum of time.  Combinations of these quanta constitute various spans of time passage.  It is here assumed that primordially the fundamental quantum was not the same as it is now at any particular locus such as the Earth and was in fact infinitely large universally.

[A more complete discussion can be found at Cosmology and quantized time. I. An alternative to the Big Bang Theory; in the publication: Speculations in Science and Technology 19,225-233 (1996).]
 

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Re: What is absolute nothingness?
« Reply #27 on: 09/10/2016 17:45:40 »
Quote from: alancalverd
Only a human would be stupid enough to find the concept interesting.

Interestingly judgemental, Alan.

Frank Close, for example, wrote a book entitled "Nothing". Assuming that people write books about things they are interested in; does this mean you consider Frank Close "stupid"?
 

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« Reply #28 on: 09/10/2016 22:39:48 »
Nothingness is the absence of anything. Absolute nothingness is the absence of absolutely everything. Only a human would be stupid enough to find the concept interesting.
If I may say, that should include every member here at TNS unless we have uninvited alien guests.
 

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Re: What is absolute nothingness?
« Reply #29 on: 11/10/2016 14:04:29 »
Empty space is something, but absolute nothingness, it is not possible, not in the future nor in the past.
An imaginary example of absolute nothingness: say we have a box full of particles and whithin this box is a another one. If you remove all the particles in the box within the other, you get empty space. If you remove the empty space too, the geometry of the space left stretches and occupies the left.


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It is more interesting if you follow an order:
First freeze time: time can be an axis from start to end (or to infinity). When you freeze the time, it becomes a single frame, like when you have a point in one axis of space, so mathematically you still have time. Then you remove the particles, but you still remain with one frame on time axis and 3d space. Now we can see that space without time doesn't quite nake sense. Last thing, you remove space and tine dissapears as well.
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Re: What is absolute nothingness?
« Reply #30 on: 11/10/2016 14:24:41 »
i would say that because objective time cannot stop, the future is as close to absolute nothingness that we can possibly conceive. time itself is the something that makes absolute or permanent nothingness a contradiction
 

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Re: What is absolute nothingness?
« Reply #31 on: 14/10/2016 15:03:19 »
If E=mc(squared), then E=m(x/t)squared, where t is the magnitude of the quantum of time.  If the quantum is infinitely large, E would be = 0 (our definition of absolute nothingness).  Energy (and, hence, mass) would appear as t decreases from infinity.  This would avoid the need for a squeezed black hole to get things going.  Hence, the origin of mass and energy would not need to involve a big bang. 
 

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Re: What is absolute nothingness?
« Reply #32 on: 14/10/2016 15:56:14 »
If E=mc(squared), then E=m(x/t)squared, where t is the magnitude of the quantum of time.  If the quantum is infinitely large, E would be = 0 (our definition of absolute nothingness).  Energy (and, hence, mass) would appear as t decreases from infinity.  This would avoid the need for a squeezed black hole to get things going.  Hence, the origin of mass and energy would not need to involve a big bang.

If x is constant then as t approaches infinity you have something that has not moved forever. Is which case you have zero speed. So yes zero energy but not for the reason you state. If relativity were that easy we would be so happy.
 

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Re: What is absolute nothingness?
« Reply #33 on: 19/10/2016 14:21:59 »
What is beyond the limits of the universe? Is it absolute nothingness?
 

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Re: What is absolute nothingness?
« Reply #34 on: 22/10/2016 16:06:57 »
", , , , there is evidently 'nothing' to worry about"

(I forget the 1st part)
 

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Re: What is absolute nothingness?
« Reply #35 on: 22/10/2016 20:24:31 »
What is beyond the limits of the universe? Is it absolute nothingness?
Cosmology is not only about things that could make us worry. It is about how the universe works. Things that are happening in the universe deserve an explanation.
 

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Re: What is absolute nothingness?
« Reply #36 on: 24/10/2016 21:33:30 »
it's a relation to mass, and if you want 'mass' to be 'energy' or vice versa then?
Does it exist? It does mathematically though, 'zero', then again, so does 'minus'.

Awwh, now I got a headache.
 

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Re: What is absolute nothingness?
« Reply #37 on: 24/10/2016 23:13:17 »
I get a kind of headache too, when I think "Suppose the Universe didn't exist, not just no stars or galaxies or planets, but even existence itself didn't exist". 

It gives a weird swoony feeling, like trying to touch something inconceivable.
 

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