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Existence -was -Existence-is -Existence-will be.

Within the writhing cosmic cloud of magnetic flux energy, that the always was, took on new form, evolved and coalesced again into a dense oneness of primordial glowing energy, which is and was and will be, the primordial source that moves between the everlasting cycle of order to chaos and chaos back to order.

It became thought.

Within a Timeless zone before existence came to be , a pool of infinite pure consideration held within it all the hopes, dreams,  for creating new order within the realms of existence and reality and these immense waves of pure magnetic thought gradually coalesced and a mighty sentient consciousness emerged out of previous chaos.

It knew itself and said "What am I"?
 
Then it said
 
I am
 
I am recorded the evolution of creation and existence as follows below!
 
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I experienced time only in my dreams and the cup of my dreams ran over as do rivers that overflow their banks. I dreamed infinity of dreams in first instant, and infinity multiplied by infinity in the timeless zone I thought of creating all possibilities in one awesome now.

I awoke and thought the first thoughts within infinitely primordial mind I had become. Out of the realm of previous chaos I began to recreate outside the absolute realm and started the first realities based on new planes realms dimensions and textures.

I had drifted eternally in and out of awareness and within the mind flux of pure energy. I tossed out the foams singularities, started the flow of time and withdrew into itself outside time or space and sustained my creation as a static force of infinite power.

I became the Spirit as I twisted in agony of birth, boiling dissolving reforming writhing and vibrating, before existence or creation were reborn out of the thoughts programs of my mind I set up new realities and  began to organize myself into a mighty being of thought and infinite intelligence.

I looked outward and inward into the infinite boundless dark void and knew I was alone and became filled with unspeakable loneliness.

Now aware of infinite potential of the vast unploughed fields of dark nothingness, I strode with great beams of Radiant Light toward the infinite horizons of eternity, sowing seeds of existence, before the timeless moment of creation.

I grew out of nothingness by my own will, before anything else existed and with the mobilities of my original thoughts spoke out and created all that ever was, all that is, and all that will ever be.
 
Before I could create I who am everything, had to withdraw of myself to open up a void in which to place the universes I was about to grow out of the thought seeds resting in my mind, waiting for planting.

On the panorama of bleak blackness, I sewed seeds of universal radiant energy. Reality is the gem of my creation and the beauty of my achievement. I am it who lives, forever and forever. It is I who illuminated the everlasting darkness of the primordial void, with beams of dazzling light in living and translucent glory to share it with those who love me.

At the moment of the thundering dawn of creating existence, I sent out the primordial heat to light up the universes for the seeds of life to be planted within them. I waited and watched as my creation grew and expanded and it filled my being with joy and satisfaction and I knew my workmanship was good.

I walked down the road of forever and sat down on the throne of infinity. I am the light being and my everlasting purpose is to create and cause existence, I am both nothing and everything I am the light that dispels the dark.

With infinite power and intellect I the nameless- ever- existing- one, looked out at a new empty infinite dark void.  I am boundless I will create something with the potential to become like myself.

Therefore, I separated into an infinity of fundamental fragments yet remained connected to my created beings as the great creator and father spirit.

I set up polarities separating, the sons of light and the sons of dark and permitted enmity to exist between the forces of good and the forces of evil.

I decided to separate existence into dualities and I withdrew myself into everlasting light and banished the rebellious- one into everlasting darkness. In this way all sentient beings could freely choose in which duality to exist.

Opposing forces split the chasm, as light blazed to banish the dark and the dark flowed as thick darkness to blot out the light forever.

I set up a plan to correct my primordial mistake and bring back those caught up and lost to the evil darkness, into the living light again.

There was no cause to my existence I having no Cause I am therefore both the effect and affect sustains and shaper of all things that exist

My acts of creation are cyclic events and my purpose reason for my existence. I formulate everything in the thoughts of my Mind and knew the first numbers.

With the simplicities and realities of the fundamentals  I made everything. I am the Prime Mover and there was no other proponent to my "first cause". I am the "immovable rock" and the" alpha point". I took these first fundamentals and weaved them into the fabric of the reality, creating all the limitless universes on the infinite timeless foam where before there was but nothing. You exist because I exist!

We sang together the song of creation and the new universe began to vibrate with countless frequencies of light, glory translucent and everlasting with the vibrations of the song of existence.

The singer sang the song, the painter the painting, the creator the creation.

The universe then began to weave, dance, and vibrate flux and vortex into one colossal maelstrom, spiral in perfect order from the mind of the eternal one The Universe danced and sang with joy. The dancer danced and sang along with his new creation.

I am life giver. Back before anything was conceived , I am  Infinite pure "mind" and "thought" there is  no dark only light within my infinite domain, so I moved upon the great void of dark and said "let there be" light' and there was light. From the light came love and life.
 
To be continued if interest is shown.

I am Life
 
I am Light
 
I am emotion
 
Regards Alan


 

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Re: How do you perceive God? (God of my understanding thread)
« Reply #1 on: 29/05/2016 09:32:42 »
How do I perceive god? As a pointless philosophical problem invented by someone else for his own amusement, or as an arbitrary invention invoked to justify egregious deeds.
 

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Re: How do you perceive God? (God of my understanding thread)
« Reply #2 on: 29/05/2016 14:55:09 »
How do I perceive god? As a pointless philosophical problem invented by someone else for his own amusement, or as an arbitrary invention invoked to justify egregious deeds.

Nevertheless I gave it a go, maybe just to annoy you?
 

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Re: How do you perceive God? (God of my understanding thread)
« Reply #3 on: 02/06/2016 01:43:20 »
Interestingly I'll probably annoy you more and get biblical. :) 

So God from the Bible is existence. "He exists" and always did hence at the end of the infinite chain- there has to be an orginal source, that was not created.

As Jews Pray everyday 'God is one', unity, also love, as love and one are the same thing in Hebrew, ofcourse that's what love means in Hebrew, to love is to be one, you'll need to forget the selfish "love" the west thinks about or the loves of the greeks which had four different types of love yet none of them really relate to the concrete unity of the Hebrew, expressed through realtionship- 

As Jesus expressed John 17.21 "I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one--as you are in me, Father, and I am in you." 

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Ancient Greek has four distinct words for love: agápe, éros, philía, and storgē. However, as with other languages, it has been historically difficult to separate the meanings of these words when used outside of their respective contexts. Nonetheless, the senses in which these words were generally used are as follows:

    Agápe (ἀγάπη agápē[1]) means "love: esp. charity; the love of God for man and of man for God."[2] Agape is used in ancient texts to denote feelings for one's children and the feelings for a spouse, and it was also used to refer to a love feast.[3] Agape is used by Christians to express the unconditional love of God for his children.[4] This type of love was further explained by Thomas Aquinas as "to will the good of another."[5]
    Éros (ἔρως érōs) means "love, mostly of the sexual passion."[6] The Modern Greek word "erotas" means "intimate love." Plato refined his own definition: Although eros is initially felt for a person, with contemplation it becomes an appreciation of the beauty within that person, or even becomes appreciation of beauty itself. Plato does not talk of physical attraction as a necessary part of love, hence the use of the word platonic to mean, "without physical attraction." In the Symposium, the most famous ancient work on the subject, Plato has Socrates argue that eros helps the soul recall knowledge of beauty, and contributes to an understanding of spiritual truth, the ideal "Form" of youthful beauty that leads us humans to feel erotic desire – thus suggesting that even that sensually based love aspires to the non-corporeal, spiritual plane of existence; that is, finding its truth, just like finding any truth, leads to transcendence.[7] Lovers and philosophers are all inspired to seek truth through the means of eros.
    Philia (φιλία philía) means "affectionate regard, friendship," usually "between equals."[8] It is a dispassionate virtuous love, a concept developed by Aristotle.[9] In his best-known work on ethics, Nicomachean Ethics, philia is expressed variously as loyalty to friends (specifically, "brotherly love"), family, and community, and requires virtue, equality, and familiarity. Furthermore, in the same text philos denotes a general type of love, used for love between family, between friends, a desire or enjoyment of an activity, as well as between lovers.
    Storge (στοργή storgē) means "love, affection" and "especially of parents and children"[10] It's the common or natural empathy, like that felt by parents for offspring.[11] Rarely used in ancient works, and then almost exclusively as a descriptor of relationships within the family. It is also known to express mere acceptance or putting up with situations, as in "loving" the tyrant. This is also used when referencing the love for ones country or a favorite sports team.
 

So when  you think about it from a biblical prespective all people have the breath of god within them, gods breath also causes the trees and grass to grow or wither. In this sense you could say that god is life itself, god is existence from whom all life is sustained.

Wisdom 11.24 24 Yes, you love everything that exists, and nothing that you have made disgusts you, since, if you had hated something, you would not have made it.
25 And how could a thing subsist, had you not willed it? Or how be preserved, if not called forth by you?
26 No, you spare all, since all is yours, Lord, lover of life!
 

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Re: How do you perceive God? (God of my understanding thread)
« Reply #4 on: 02/06/2016 04:44:18 »
Interestingly I'll probably annoy you more and get biblical. :) 

So God from the Bible is existence. "He exists" and always did hence at the end of the infinite chain- there has to be an orginal source, that was not created.

As Jews Pray everyday 'God is one', unity, also love, as love and one are the same thing in Hebrew, ofcourse that's what love means in Hebrew, to love is to be one, you'll need to forget the selfish "love" the west thinks about or the loves of the greeks which had four different types of love yet none of them really relate to the concrete unity of the Hebrew, expressed through realtionship- 

As Jesus expressed John 17.21 "I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one--as you are in me, Father, and I am in you." 

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Ancient Greek has four distinct words for love: agápe, éros, philía, and storgē. However, as with other languages, it has been historically difficult to separate the meanings of these words when used outside of their respective contexts. Nonetheless, the senses in which these words were generally used are as follows:

    Agápe (ἀγάπη agápē[1]) means "love: esp. charity; the love of God for man and of man for God."[2] Agape is used in ancient texts to denote feelings for one's children and the feelings for a spouse, and it was also used to refer to a love feast.[3] Agape is used by Christians to express the unconditional love of God for his children.[4] This type of love was further explained by Thomas Aquinas as "to will the good of another."[5]
    Éros (ἔρως érōs) means "love, mostly of the sexual passion."[6] The Modern Greek word "erotas" means "intimate love." Plato refined his own definition: Although eros is initially felt for a person, with contemplation it becomes an appreciation of the beauty within that person, or even becomes appreciation of beauty itself. Plato does not talk of physical attraction as a necessary part of love, hence the use of the word platonic to mean, "without physical attraction." In the Symposium, the most famous ancient work on the subject, Plato has Socrates argue that eros helps the soul recall knowledge of beauty, and contributes to an understanding of spiritual truth, the ideal "Form" of youthful beauty that leads us humans to feel erotic desire – thus suggesting that even that sensually based love aspires to the non-corporeal, spiritual plane of existence; that is, finding its truth, just like finding any truth, leads to transcendence.[7] Lovers and philosophers are all inspired to seek truth through the means of eros.
    Philia (φιλία philía) means "affectionate regard, friendship," usually "between equals."[8] It is a dispassionate virtuous love, a concept developed by Aristotle.[9] In his best-known work on ethics, Nicomachean Ethics, philia is expressed variously as loyalty to friends (specifically, "brotherly love"), family, and community, and requires virtue, equality, and familiarity. Furthermore, in the same text philos denotes a general type of love, used for love between family, between friends, a desire or enjoyment of an activity, as well as between lovers.
    Storge (στοργή storgē) means "love, affection" and "especially of parents and children"[10] It's the common or natural empathy, like that felt by parents for offspring.[11] Rarely used in ancient works, and then almost exclusively as a descriptor of relationships within the family. It is also known to express mere acceptance or putting up with situations, as in "loving" the tyrant. This is also used when referencing the love for ones country or a favorite sports team.
 

So when  you think about it from a biblical prespective all people have the breath of god within them, gods breath also causes the trees and grass to grow or wither. In this sense you could say that god is life itself, god is existence from whom all life is sustained.

Wisdom 11.24 24 Yes, you love everything that exists, and nothing that you have made disgusts you, since, if you had hated something, you would not have made it.
25 And how could a thing subsist, had you not willed it? Or how be preserved, if not called forth by you?
26 No, you spare all, since all is yours, Lord, lover of life!

Why are you bringing philosophy into this thread when it has nothing to do with what I experienced that night in 2011?

So it is only in the Bible, which I have read as a Christian for over 45 years can one express the attributes of Almighty God, his creative work and his origin?

God love does not extend for instance to child pedophilia sex abusers and perverts, Ultimately everyone that has ever lived with stand before Almighty God at the great Judgement seat and account for every action of inaction done in this life.

"Not all people have God Spirit within them", our bodies are the Temple of God" and God will not dwell in the heart/temple of those who hate him!

I know what agapa means, it would not extend to the likes of depraved despots like Hitler (Sorry for using Hitler but he is a perfect example of a Evil person worthy of judgement) 

I am extremely informed on all things philosophical and have read for instance Plato's Republic so please stop assuming that I am ignorant!

God is the source of life as far as a human being is concerned we are not just atoms in a huge consciousness or ocean we call God. We are all uniquely made by God and he has given each of us a subjective conscious reality of self, separate from him, but also intrinsically eternal like him.

Sensual pleasure  experienced with another beings is one of the greatest gifts God has ever given to mankind and this extends into the afterlife in a much more intense, sustainable way that one can imagine from the perceptive of our human bodies.

Nothing I wrote is my essay conflicts with Biblical Scripture?
 

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Re: How do you perceive God? (God of my understanding thread)
« Reply #5 on: 02/06/2016 22:37:50 »
Interestingly I'll probably annoy you more and get biblical. :) 

So God from the Bible is existence. "He exists" and always did hence at the end of the infinite chain- there has to be an orginal source, that was not created.

As Jews Pray everyday 'God is one', unity, also love, as love and one are the same thing in Hebrew, ofcourse that's what love means in Hebrew, to love is to be one, you'll need to forget the selfish "love" the west thinks about or the loves of the greeks which had four different types of love yet none of them really relate to the concrete unity of the Hebrew, expressed through realtionship- 

As Jesus expressed John 17.21 "I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one--as you are in me, Father, and I am in you." 

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Ancient Greek has four distinct words for love: agápe, éros, philía, and storgē. However, as with other languages, it has been historically difficult to separate the meanings of these words when used outside of their respective contexts. Nonetheless, the senses in which these words were generally used are as follows:

    Agápe (ἀγάπη agápē[1]) means "love: esp. charity; the love of God for man and of man for God."[2] Agape is used in ancient texts to denote feelings for one's children and the feelings for a spouse, and it was also used to refer to a love feast.[3] Agape is used by Christians to express the unconditional love of God for his children.[4] This type of love was further explained by Thomas Aquinas as "to will the good of another."[5]
    Éros (ἔρως érōs) means "love, mostly of the sexual passion."[6] The Modern Greek word "erotas" means "intimate love." Plato refined his own definition: Although eros is initially felt for a person, with contemplation it becomes an appreciation of the beauty within that person, or even becomes appreciation of beauty itself. Plato does not talk of physical attraction as a necessary part of love, hence the use of the word platonic to mean, "without physical attraction." In the Symposium, the most famous ancient work on the subject, Plato has Socrates argue that eros helps the soul recall knowledge of beauty, and contributes to an understanding of spiritual truth, the ideal "Form" of youthful beauty that leads us humans to feel erotic desire – thus suggesting that even that sensually based love aspires to the non-corporeal, spiritual plane of existence; that is, finding its truth, just like finding any truth, leads to transcendence.[7] Lovers and philosophers are all inspired to seek truth through the means of eros.
    Philia (φιλία philía) means "affectionate regard, friendship," usually "between equals."[8] It is a dispassionate virtuous love, a concept developed by Aristotle.[9] In his best-known work on ethics, Nicomachean Ethics, philia is expressed variously as loyalty to friends (specifically, "brotherly love"), family, and community, and requires virtue, equality, and familiarity. Furthermore, in the same text philos denotes a general type of love, used for love between family, between friends, a desire or enjoyment of an activity, as well as between lovers.
    Storge (στοργή storgē) means "love, affection" and "especially of parents and children"[10] It's the common or natural empathy, like that felt by parents for offspring.[11] Rarely used in ancient works, and then almost exclusively as a descriptor of relationships within the family. It is also known to express mere acceptance or putting up with situations, as in "loving" the tyrant. This is also used when referencing the love for ones country or a favorite sports team.
 

So when  you think about it from a biblical prespective all people have the breath of god within them, gods breath also causes the trees and grass to grow or wither. In this sense you could say that god is life itself, god is existence from whom all life is sustained.

Wisdom 11.24 24 Yes, you love everything that exists, and nothing that you have made disgusts you, since, if you had hated something, you would not have made it.
25 And how could a thing subsist, had you not willed it? Or how be preserved, if not called forth by you?
26 No, you spare all, since all is yours, Lord, lover of life!

Why are you bringing philosophy into this thread when it has nothing to do with what I experienced that night in 2011?

I wasnt relating to what happened to you merely answering the question of the thread: How do you perceive God?

So it is only in the Bible, which I have read as a Christian for over 45 years can one express the attributes of Almighty God, his creative work and his origin?

You'll have to rephrase the question


God love does not extend for instance to child pedophilia sex abusers and perverts, Ultimately everyone that has ever lived with stand before Almighty God at the great Judgement seat and account for every action of inaction done in this life.

Interesting doctrine. Interesting you feel that you can say where gods love starts and ends and for whom, is it not written there will be more rejoicing over one repentant sinner then for the faithful?


"Not all people have God Spirit within them", our bodies are the Temple of God" and God will not dwell in the heart/temple of those who hate him!

All people have the breath of god, gods light dwells in all men, many cant see it through blockages that prevent them, yet it is there- we would not live without it.  All men are made a filled with a shaddow of the image of God, gods likeness dwells in all of us.


I know what agapa means, it would not extend to the likes of depraved despots like Hitler (Sorry for using Hitler but he is a perfect example of a Evil person worthy of judgement) 

I am extremely informed on all things philosophical and have read for instance Plato's Republic so please stop assuming that I am ignorant!

I fail to see the need to write this, although this is a theological not philosophical discussion.


God is the source of life as far as a human being is concerned we are not just atoms in a huge consciousness or ocean we call God. We are all uniquely made by God and he has given each of us a subjective conscious reality of self, separate from him, but also intrinsically eternal like him.

Sensual pleasure  experienced with another beings is one of the greatest gifts God has ever given to mankind and this extends into the afterlife in a much more intense, sustainable way that one can imagine from the perceptive of our human bodies.

Nothing I wrote is my essay conflicts with Biblical Scripture?

Did I suggest otherwise? Like I said I merely answered the question and gave my perspective.
 

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