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Re: Is chronic Fatigue Syndrome treatable?
« Reply #75 on: 23/06/2016 12:43:36 »
Fact is, you were wrong

It wasn't hemotropic in origin

No response? That's what I thought.

It's quite comical what you perceive to be as "fact".
 

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« Reply #76 on: 24/06/2016 03:26:53 »
"Numerous studies have demonstrated a high incidence of active Mycoplasma infection in CFS and FM. Nijs et al published a study in the Journal Immunology and Medical Microbiology entitled High Prevalence of Mycoplasma infections among European Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Patients demonstrated that 68% of CFS patients had an active mycoplasma infection"

"A study by Nasralla et al published in the European Journal of Clinical Microbiology & Infectious Disease entitled Multiple Mycoplasmal Infections Detected in Blood of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia Syndrome Patients investigated the presence of different mycoplasmal species in blood samples from mycoplasma positive patients with chronic fatigue syndrome and/or Fibromyalgia. They found that the majority of patients had multiple species of mycoplasmal infections, with 59% of patients having active M. Pneumonia infections, 48% having active M fermentans infection, 31% having an active M. hominis and 20% having M pentrans (43)."
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« Reply #77 on: 24/06/2016 03:43:40 »
"A study entitled Diagnosis and Treatment of Chronic Mycoplasmal Infections in Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: Relationship to Gulf War Illness published in Biomedical Therapy investigated the presence of active mycoplasmal infection by forensic PCR in patients with CFS and/or FM vs. controls. They found that 63% of CFS/FM patients had active mycoplasmal species infection compared to 9% of normals and more specifically the incidence of active Mycoplasma fermentans infection was 50% in CFS/FM patients vs. 0% of controls"

"A study published in the International Journal of Medicine Biology Environment tested the blood of 565 CFS and/or FM patients vs. 71 healthy controls. They found 53.1% of patients were positive for mycoplasmal infection vs. only 7 out of 71 controls and 24.6% of patients had an M. fermentans infection vs. 2.8% of normals"
 

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Re: Is chronic Fatigue Syndrome treatable?
« Reply #78 on: 24/06/2016 03:53:25 »
Eliminate the underlying pathology.... buh bye "CFS"

A study by Lerner found that treating patients with 6 months of Valtrex resulted in a significant improvement in symptoms.

A randomized, placebo controlled study published in Clinical Infectious Diseases, demonstrated that in CFS patients with an elevated IgG antibodies against CMV, a combination of oral Valtrex and intravenous ganciclovir resulted in dramatic improvements with almost complete resolution of symptoms.


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Re: Is chronic Fatigue Syndrome treatable?
« Reply #79 on: 24/06/2016 14:12:01 »
Keith Diplock asked the Naked Scientists:
Is chronic Fatigue Syndrome treatable?

Despite what everyone else says.... yes "CFS" is treatable - because it's a fictitious disease to begin with.

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In a separate study, Lerner et al found that in CFS patients with elevated IgG antibody against CMV, treatment with the intravenous antiviral ganciclovir, which has a more broad spectrum coverage than Valtrex and anti-CMV activity, resulted in 72% of patients returning to their premorbid health states (total resolution of symptoms).

 

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« Reply #80 on: 24/06/2016 22:00:59 »
Dr. Kent Holtorf is considered a quack by many, and even perpetuates the disproven beyond a doubt bs assertion that vaccines cause autism (they don't).  He's the author of that study. 

One thing you still see even in his study, however, even in all the references within his study, is that THEY ALL REGARD CFS AS A REAL DISORDER.  Nowhere does it say that CFS is fictitious nor treat it as if it's fictitious.

But here, I'll provide some links as well:

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Beyond Tired: Is chronic fatigue syndrome a real medical condition? Yes, according to a report from the Institute of Medicine, which urges physicians to treat it accordingly.

http://journals.lww.com/neurologynow/Fulltext/2015/11050/Beyond_Tired__Is_chronic_fatigue_syndrome_a_real.31.aspx


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Chronic fatigue syndrome is a "serious, debilitating" condition with a cluster of clear physical symptoms — not a psychological illness — a panel of experts reported Tuesday as it called for more research into a disease that may affect as many as 2.5 million Americans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/02/10/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-is-a-real-condition-not-a-psychological-illness-expert-panel-says/


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While Zeineh and his colleagues had expected to see damage to the white matter, they were surprised to find an abnormality in a bundle of nerve fibers in the right hemispheres of patients with CFS.

http://www.today.com/health/chronic-fatigue-real-new-brain-scans-show-1D80250083


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Jose G. Montoya, MD, professor of medicine, infectious diseases, and geographic medicine, Stanford University Medical Center, who heads Stanford's ME/CFS Initiative, told Medscape Medical News, "Obviously, the first thing you have to do is to see that it's real. That's not even a question for me anymore. Once you see that it's real, it's a matter of having the right technology...and a multidisciplinary approach."

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/837577


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More importantly, the IOM report validated the message patient and advocacy groups had been pushing for decades -- that ME/CFS is a debilitating, multisystemic, medical illness.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/pathology/generalpathology/53502

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2949369/Chronic-fatigue-real-disease-Doctors-draw-new-guidelines-diagnose-condition.html

http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2322808

http://www.cdc.gov/cfs/general/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/30/health/chronic-fatigue-syndrome/

 

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Re: Is chronic Fatigue Syndrome treatable?
« Reply #81 on: 25/06/2016 01:16:17 »
Fictitious disease lmao.  Oh, that's rich!

One thing you still see even in his study, however, even in all the references within his study, is that THEY ALL REGARD CFS AS A REAL DISORDER.

Any "disease" with no histology, no serology, no hematology, no pathology, and no etiology.... isn't a disease at all.

Funny how 72-percent of the CFS patients had complete & total resolution of their "non-curable" symptoms....

After treating the underlying pathology!

Wake up.

 

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« Reply #82 on: 25/06/2016 02:14:19 »
Fictitious disease lmao.  Oh, that's rich!

One thing you still see even in his study, however, even in all the references within his study, is that THEY ALL REGARD CFS AS A REAL DISORDER.

Any "disease" with no histology, no serology, no hematology, no pathology, and no etiology.... isn't a disease at all.

Funny how 72-percent of the CFS patients had complete & total resolution of their "non-curable" symptoms....

After treating the underlying pathology!

Wake up.

It's all bs dude.  If 72% of all cfs patients could be healed by such a simple therapy, the whole world would know if by now.  Oh, let me guess, there's some huge conspiracy? Lol. The facts are in my links above.

And I'm confident that anyone reading this thread that had an interest would know that if 72% of cfs suffers could be cured in such a way, when so many studies have been done and with millions who suffer, it would be so well known by now it's not even funny. That's just simply common sense.
 

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Re: Is chronic Fatigue Syndrome treatable?
« Reply #83 on: 25/06/2016 04:15:51 »
It's all bs dude.

Yeah..... because IAMREALITY said so.


If 72% of all cfs patients could be healed by such a simple therapy, the whole world would know if by now.

lol.... 72% of the study subset.... not 72% of the entire population of CFS patients. Pick up a textbook.


 

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« Reply #84 on: 25/06/2016 16:35:43 »
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BMJ 2006;333:575
Post-infective and chronic fatigue syndromes precipitated by viral and non-viral pathogens: prospective cohort study

Post-infective Fatigue Syndrome would be a more appropriate name for "CFS".... one where there is actually a defined etiology of the patient's symptoms. Again, whether it be viral, bacterial, immunological, ect.... eradicate the underlying pathology.... goodbye CFS [or PFS for that matter].
 

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« Reply #85 on: 26/06/2016 23:46:13 »
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"Numerous studies have demonstrated a high incidence of active Mycoplasma infection in CFS and FM. Nijs et al published a study in the Journal Immunology and Medical Microbiology entitled High Prevalence of Mycoplasma infections among European Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Patients demonstrated that 68% of CFS patients had an active mycoplasma infection"

"A study published in the International Journal of Medicine Biology Environment tested the blood of 565 CFS and/or FM patients vs. 71 healthy controls. They found 53.1% of patients were positive for mycoplasmal infection vs. only 7 out of 71 controls and 24.6% of patients had an M. fermentans infection vs. 2.8% of normals."

"A study by Nasralla et al published in the European Journal of Clinical Microbiology & Infectious Disease entitled Multiple Mycoplasmal Infections Detected in Blood of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia Syndrome Patients investigated the presence of different mycoplasmal species in blood samples from mycoplasma positive patients with chronic fatigue syndrome and/or Fibromyalgia. They found that the majority of patients had multiple species of mycoplasmal infections, with 59% of patients having active M. Pneumonia infections, 48% having active M fermentans infection, 31% having an active M. hominis and 20% having M pentrans."

With fleas, ticks, mosquitoes, cats and sexual transmission being the most common vectors of mycoplasma infections.... it would appear that the majority of "CFS" patients have active mycoplasma and/or rickettsial infections that are either going undiagnosed due to lack of detection by polymerase chain reaction diagnostics.... or it's a matter of unsuccessful treatment. Coinfection could be a plausible factor as well - just like it was in this case.

Nonetheless, diagnosing patients with "CFS" is simply baseless medicine. There's always an underlying pathology.
 

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Re: Is chronic Fatigue Syndrome treatable?
« Reply #86 on: 27/06/2016 21:50:10 »
And unless you have a reason to question the doctors credentials or intentions, I'm not sure it makes sense to mock his findings with that much fervor.  There is no reason to believe the doctor isn't credible, that he didn't know what he was talking about, that he didn't already perform the necessary tests and have the necessary due diligence.

A baseless diagnosis of a disease with no treatment and no cure - following 3-years of failed attempts at eradicating a mycoplasma/rickettsia infection is flat out reprehensible.

Hopefully the author will look for another physician. His son shouldn't have to suffer as a result of treatment inadequacy and he certainly doesn't need to hear that he's stuck with a disease that can't be cured.... when all of his symptoms are [directly] attributed to his mycoplasma/rickettsia infection.

 

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Re: Is chronic Fatigue Syndrome treatable?
« Reply #87 on: 02/07/2016 15:08:37 »
Diagnosing patients with "CFS" is simply baseless medicine. There's always an underlying pathology.

Taking the focus off the high incidence of mycoplasma and/or rickettsia infections within "CFS" patients, the following excerpt is from a group of scientists who challenged the validity of a recent "CFS" study, and explained it's limitations. It's yet another example of the various muscle pathologies and mitochondrial disorders "CFS" patients have.... that commonly go undiagnosed due to physician-inadequacy.

* MIDs = mitochondrial disorders *

A further limitation of the study is that neither immune-histological nor biochemical investigations of the muscle biopsy were carried out. Immune-histological investigations of the muscle biopsy may show NADH-, SDH-, or COX-deficiency. Biochemical investigations of the muscle homogenate may show reduced activity of one or several respiratory chain complexes or coenzyme-Q deficiency [4]. Morphological and functional studies are essential not to miss dysfunction of the respiratory chain or other mitochondrial pathways.

We also should be informed how causes of fatigue, exhaustion, and exercise intolerance other than CFS, were excluded. How many patients had muscle disease other than a MID, which may be also associated with fatigue, such as muscular dystrophies or congenital myopathies [5, 6]?

How many had hypothyroidism, sleep apnea syndrome, malignancy, electrolyte disturbances, adrenal dysfunction, or pituitary insufficiency? Were any of the routine laboratory parameters abnormal in the 193 patients?

How many had creatine-kinase (CK) elevation or lactacidosis? How many presented with features other than fatigue which could be attributed to a MID?
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Commentary from:
Is chronic fatigue syndrome truly associated with haplogroups or mtDNA single nucleotide polymorphisms?
Josef Finsterer and Sinda Zarrouk-Mahjoub. Journal of Translational Medicine DOI: 10.1186/s12967-016-0939-0
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Re: Is chronic Fatigue Syndrome treatable?
« Reply #88 on: 10/07/2016 15:43:37 »
Can you please tell me more about these "hemotrophic bacteria"? I'm intrigued because, as a medical microbiologist, I've never come across such an entity.

Hemotrophic bacterial pathogens have been well-established since the 80's....

Where do you work that you wouldn't already know about them?

Why do you keep avoiding the question?
 

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« Reply #89 on: 10/07/2016 16:01:50 »
With fleas, ticks, mosquitoes, cats and sexual transmission being the most common vectors of mycoplasma infections.... it would appear that the majority of "CFS" patients have active mycoplasma and/or rickettsial infections that are either going undiagnosed due to lack of detection by polymerase chain reaction diagnostics.... or it's a matter of unsuccessful treatment. Coinfection could be a plausible factor as well - just like it was in this case.

https://youtu.be/2XMD_ZoMvUY
 

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« Reply #90 on: 10/07/2016 16:23:47 »
With fleas, ticks, mosquitoes, cats and sexual transmission being the most common vectors of mycoplasma infections.... it would appear that the majority of "CFS" patients have active mycoplasma and/or rickettsial infections that are either going undiagnosed due to lack of detection by polymerase chain reaction diagnostics.... or it's a matter of unsuccessful treatment. Coinfection could be a plausible factor as well - just like it was in this case.

https://youtu.be/2XMD_ZoMvUY

Lmao still so convinced you're right even though there are a million links on google to show you're wrong.  Still so convinced that CFS isn't real when there's not even a question that it is, with actual evidence and fact to show that it is.  I mean, I give ya a cookie for your determination and persistence and passion and stuff.  But passion, no matter how much in abundance, still does not have the power necessary to overturn fact.  Neither does a video of 2 cherry picked patients that were exceptions, even though there are countless millions afflicted.  Every disease that exists can have a documentary made containing a handful of patients that when combined with voiceovers etc could make a viewer believe that the disease isn't real.  Every disease has more than enough exceptions to make identical videos.  But that's why smart viewers take such propaganda with a grain of salt, and use facts to guide them instead.  And the facts show without question that CFS is real.  No matter how many posts you make you'll never be able to overcome that simple fact.  You just can't.  And if it was so clear that rickettsia was the culprit, or other things you claim that all are easily treatable, it would be MORE than established right now to be fact.  There are countless doctors working on the condition, countless studies.  If it were something so simple, they would've figured that out by now.  And if it were so clear, that doctor in the video would be regarded as a hero, instead of a quack.

Thing is, you're talking about the solution and catalyst for CFS being something that could be eradicated in 6-8 weeks.  And you just can't escape the simple, solid, irrefutable logic that if the culprit was something that would only take 6-8 weeks to prove as to whether fact or fiction, that by now there would be countless studies that showed it to be true, and it would be regarded medically by now as fact, and would by now by far be the treatment protocol recommended by the overwhelming majority of doctors trained in CFS.  But that's not the reality we see, now is it.  You can't escape that simple logic.  That something that only takes 6-8 weeks to eradicate would by now have had millions cured and countless studies to prove its legitimacy.  But yet that's not what we see.  And it's because that's not what we see that we know that you're wrong.  That an inescapable conclusion.

CFS is very real, and hopefully someday will be better understood and be able to be cured, because it is cruel in its debilitation.  But no, it's not due to rickettsia or whatever, at least in the overwhelming majority of cases, and that won't change just because you're really really passionate about wanting to say that it is.  Because Facts Matter™.

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« Reply #91 on: 10/07/2016 17:51:06 »
you're talking about the solution and catalyst for CFS being something that could be eradicated in 6-8 weeks.  And you just can't escape the simple, solid, irrefutable logic that if the culprit was something that would only take 6-8 weeks to prove as to whether fact or fiction, that by now there would be countless studies that showed it to be true, and it would be regarded medically by now as fact, and would by now by far be the treatment protocol recommended by the overwhelming majority of doctors trained in CFS.  But that's not the reality we see, now is it.  You can't escape that simple logic.  That something that only takes 6-8 weeks to eradicate would by now have had millions cured and countless studies to prove its legitimacy.  But yet that's not what we see.  And it's because that's not what we see that we know that you're wrong.  That an inescapable conclusion.

Your blatant inability to comprehend elementary medicine speaks volumes.... but I'll try this again regardless:

You think physicians are routinely ordering polymerase chain reaction diagnostics to detect chronic mycoplasma and/or rickettsia infections in "CFS" patients????

..... rofl


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« Reply #92 on: 10/07/2016 19:59:26 »
a video of 2 cherry picked patients that were exceptions

but no, it's not due to rickettsia or whatever, at least in the overwhelming majority of cases

lol.... take your head out of the sand:

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"Numerous studies have demonstrated a high incidence of active Mycoplasma infection in CFS and FM. Nijs et al published a study in the Journal Immunology and Medical Microbiology entitled High Prevalence of Mycoplasma infections among European Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Patients demonstrated that 68% of CFS patients had an active mycoplasma infection"

"A study by Nasralla et al published in the European Journal of Clinical Microbiology & Infectious Disease entitled Multiple Mycoplasmal Infections Detected in Blood of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia Syndrome Patients investigated the presence of different mycoplasmal species in blood samples from mycoplasma positive patients with chronic fatigue syndrome and/or Fibromyalgia. They found that the majority of patients had multiple species of mycoplasmal infections, with 59% of patients having active M. Pneumonia infections, 48% having active M fermentans infection, 31% having an active M. hominis and 20% having M pentrans (43)."

"A study entitled Diagnosis and Treatment of Chronic Mycoplasmal Infections in Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: Relationship to Gulf War Illness published in Biomedical Therapy investigated the presence of active mycoplasmal infection by forensic PCR in patients with CFS and/or FM vs. controls. They found that 63% of CFS/FM patients had active mycoplasmal species infection compared to 9% of normals and more specifically the incidence of active Mycoplasma fermentans infection was 50% in CFS/FM patients vs. 0% of controls"

"A study published in the International Journal of Medicine Biology Environment tested the blood of 565 CFS and/or FM patients vs. 71 healthy controls. They found 53.1% of patients were positive for mycoplasmal infection vs. only 7 out of 71 controls and 24.6% of patients had an M. fermentans infection vs. 2.8% of normals"
 

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« Reply #93 on: 11/07/2016 15:28:39 »
you're talking about the solution and catalyst for CFS being something that could be eradicated in 6-8 weeks.  And you just can't escape the simple, solid, irrefutable logic that if the culprit was something that would only take 6-8 weeks to prove as to whether fact or fiction, that by now there would be countless studies that showed it to be true, and it would be regarded medically by now as fact, and would by now by far be the treatment protocol recommended by the overwhelming majority of doctors trained in CFS.  But that's not the reality we see, now is it.  You can't escape that simple logic.  That something that only takes 6-8 weeks to eradicate would by now have had millions cured and countless studies to prove its legitimacy.  But yet that's not what we see.  And it's because that's not what we see that we know that you're wrong.  That an inescapable conclusion.

Your blatant inability to comprehend elementary medicine speaks volumes.... but I'll try this again regardless:

You think physicians are routinely ordering polymerase chain reaction diagnostics to detect chronic mycoplasma and/or rickettsia infections in "CFS" patients????

..... rofl


Umm, no part of what I said shows a blatant inability to comprehend elementary medicine, though I can't say the same about your inability to comprehend straightforward logic.

Of course they're not ordering these tests routinely.  Why don't you take a step back and try and see if you can't figure out just why that is...

 

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« Reply #94 on: 11/07/2016 15:42:37 »
a video of 2 cherry picked patients that were exceptions

but no, it's not due to rickettsia or whatever, at least in the overwhelming majority of cases

lol.... take your head out of the sand:

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"Numerous studies have demonstrated a high incidence of active Mycoplasma infection in CFS and FM. Nijs et al published a study in the Journal Immunology and Medical Microbiology entitled High Prevalence of Mycoplasma infections among European Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Patients demonstrated that 68% of CFS patients had an active mycoplasma infection"

"A study by Nasralla et al published in the European Journal of Clinical Microbiology & Infectious Disease entitled Multiple Mycoplasmal Infections Detected in Blood of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia Syndrome Patients investigated the presence of different mycoplasmal species in blood samples from mycoplasma positive patients with chronic fatigue syndrome and/or Fibromyalgia. They found that the majority of patients had multiple species of mycoplasmal infections, with 59% of patients having active M. Pneumonia infections, 48% having active M fermentans infection, 31% having an active M. hominis and 20% having M pentrans (43)."

"A study entitled Diagnosis and Treatment of Chronic Mycoplasmal Infections in Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: Relationship to Gulf War Illness published in Biomedical Therapy investigated the presence of active mycoplasmal infection by forensic PCR in patients with CFS and/or FM vs. controls. They found that 63% of CFS/FM patients had active mycoplasmal species infection compared to 9% of normals and more specifically the incidence of active Mycoplasma fermentans infection was 50% in CFS/FM patients vs. 0% of controls"

"A study published in the International Journal of Medicine Biology Environment tested the blood of 565 CFS and/or FM patients vs. 71 healthy controls. They found 53.1% of patients were positive for mycoplasmal infection vs. only 7 out of 71 controls and 24.6% of patients had an M. fermentans infection vs. 2.8% of normals"

It's hilarious to me how you continue to quote these cherry picked bs studies.  A million studies showing CFS to be real, yet you continue to belittle and deny its existence... Yet a few cherry picked bs studies and you'll quote them like they're the gospel.  It's so silly.

Some of those studies I believe actively sought out people suffering from CFS that also had those infections.  And it's likely the studies you quoted cherry picked patients and had very loose criteria as to what constituted suffering from CFS and they weren't legitimate studies without bias; those they used weren't chosen under strict rigorous criteria such as they're supposed to be for legitimate studies.

And it's obvious to any reader that they're bs on their face.  You can tell just from the results themselves.  Because again, if these mycoplasma infections were responsible for well over half of all patients with CFS/FM, it would be known by now and readily accepted in the medical community.  That is inescapable fact and logic that you cannot overcome.  The study of CFS is a huge thing, millions suffer from it, so many studies are constantly taking place.  There would be no need for them to be, if those results were legitimate.  Instead they would be making sure patients got the necessary treatment, and they would likely rename the disease as well.  But these things aren't happening.  There's  a reason.  Cause the results are bunk.  Any intelligent objective observer would recognize it on its face.  Cause obvious is obvious.  If well over half of the millions and millions of CFS sufferers had a mycoplasma infection, the world would know this by now.  The medical field would know it by now.  Doctors would be treating their patients for it by now.  We wouldn't even need to be having this conversation.

You can't have a disease as significant and prevalent as CFS, as debilitating and impactful as CFS, have a cause in well over half of those that suffer but that could be treated completely within 6-8 weeks, and not have the world know about this; not have word spread like wildfire; not have it well established in journals.  It's not gonna be like this super secret finding that eludes everybody but you.  Yet you can't comprehend the logic enough to see this very simple, straightforward, obvious conclusion.  You refuse to.  For you are willfully blind.  But I know to everyone else it's obvious.  Millions and millions suffer, thousands of studies taking place, thousands of doctors in the loop, well established through countless studies that CFS is real, and billions in research being thrown at it, and you're trying to claim that over half of those that have it really have a mycoplasma infection and that it's been proven, but for some reason is being kept super secret and no one knows.  Oh get real.  The studies are total bs as it relates to the reality of the condition.  It's beyond obvious just on logic and common sense alone.
 

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« Reply #95 on: 13/07/2016 15:43:18 »
You can't have a disease as significant and prevalent as CFS

"CFS" isn't a disease, and it never will be without histologic, seralogic, haematologic, or etiologic evidence.... "CFS" is merely a group of debilitating symptoms - that in and of itself doesn't make it a disease. Every single person that's been diagnosed with "CFS" has an underlying pathology that can be addressed if the corresponding physicians can identify & treat it successfully - eradicate the underlying pathology.... no more "CFS".

Whether you like it or not.... the high prevalence of mycoplasma infections in these individuals is a unequivocal scientific fact - but that doesn't mean it takes a mycoplasma infection to be afflicted with the same fatigue-related symptoms.

 

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« Reply #96 on: 13/07/2016 16:03:16 »
It's hilarious to me how you continue to quote these cherry picked bs studies.

The burden of proof is on you. Go ahead and try proving that CFS patients [do not] have a high prevalence of mycoplasma infections lol.... I've got peer-reviewed evidence which clearly demonstrates otherwise.
 

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« Reply #97 on: 13/07/2016 16:18:32 »
CFS is very real, and hopefully someday will be better understood and be able to be cured

lol.... just cure the underlying pathology.
 

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« Reply #98 on: 13/07/2016 16:44:19 »
You think physicians are routinely ordering polymerase chain reaction diagnostics to detect chronic mycoplasma and/or rickettsia infections in "CFS" patients????..... rofl

Of course they're not ordering these tests routinely. 

Why don't you take a step back and try and see if you can't figure out just why that is...

lol...

It's much easier for a general practice physician to diagnosis a person suffering from fatigue-related symptoms with "CFS" - a disease with no etiology & no cure - than it is to search and treat for an underlying pathology. Why do you think the diagnosis of "CFS" is so prevalent????

Get a clue.

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Re: Is chronic Fatigue Syndrome treatable?
« Reply #99 on: 13/07/2016 18:46:47 »
Quote from: Keith Diplock
My son has two strains of rickettsia and mycoplasma

We have been on the treatment for three years

my son just isn't getting any better.

Find a competent physician who can [effectively] eradicate the infections, and stay far away from the one you're currently seeing. Your son doesn't have to suffer needlessly, and a baseless diagnosis of "CFS" following a 3-year course of failed treatment for a bacterial infection is just flat-out reprehensible.
 

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Re: Is chronic Fatigue Syndrome treatable?
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