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What is the diameter of all of the universe?
« on: 14/06/2016 04:17:09 »
What is the diameter of all of the universe?   
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Re: What is the diameter of all of the universe?
« Reply #1 on: 14/06/2016 06:51:45 »
What is the diameter of all of the universe?

It must be 0 diameter, because apparently we do not see distance.

 

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Re: What is the diameter of all of the universe?
« Reply #2 on: 14/06/2016 09:07:24 »
What is the diameter of all of the universe?

It must be 0 diameter, because apparently we do not see distance.
I see you are misquoting again.
 

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Re: What is the diameter of all of the universe?
« Reply #3 on: 14/06/2016 09:16:13 »
What is the diameter of all of the universe?

It must be 0 diameter, because apparently we do not see distance.



Another stupid remark and I only use this attribute on you in this forum! "It is impossible to see distance", can you get this fact finally through your thick skull?

"You measure distance", "you do not see it," our two eyes give us the illusion that we are seeing distance because of the stereoscopic effect caused by them receiving photons at slightly different angles from each other of the same image.

So to get back to the topic

What is the actual diameter of the universe?
 

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Re: What is the diameter of all of the universe?
« Reply #4 on: 25/06/2016 23:16:01 »
What is the diameter of all of the universe?

It must be 0 diameter, because apparently we do not see distance.



Another stupid remark and I only use this attribute on you in this forum! "It is impossible to see distance", can you get this fact finally through your thick skull?

"You measure distance", "you do not see it," our two eyes give us the illusion that we are seeing distance because of the stereoscopic effect caused by them receiving photons at slightly different angles from each other of the same image.

So to get back to the topic

What is the actual diameter of the universe?

Well the answer is obviously we do not know because we can not see distance and could never possibly know if the measurements we see were even what we are seeing because of stereoscopic effect , however you are completely wrong and we do see distance subjectively and I am sure all the members on this forum would agree with this.


added- and you are contradictory, you cant say you don't see the distance then say you can measure the distance you are not seeing.  If you cant see it , you cant measure it , very simple truths. 

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Re: What is the diameter of all of the universe?
« Reply #5 on: 26/06/2016 00:01:10 »
To paraphrase Douglas Adams, the universe is big - no, really, really big - like bigger than you could possibly imagine, and then some....
 

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Re: What is the diameter of all of the universe?
« Reply #6 on: 26/06/2016 00:14:49 »
What is the diameter of all of the universe?
Depends upon which hypothesis one chooses to put their trust in. If the universe is finite, it's radius is somewhere around 13.8 billion light years in distance. If on the other hand, it is infinite, ∞ would be it's radius. I personally lean toward the infinite description.
 

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Re: What is the diameter of all of the universe?
« Reply #7 on: 26/06/2016 00:38:17 »
The radius of the universe is 1. However we do not have enough information to define the scale of this measurement.
 

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Re: What is the diameter of all of the universe?
« Reply #8 on: 26/06/2016 00:49:31 »
What is the diameter of all of the universe?
Depends upon which hypothesis one chooses to put their trust in. If the universe is finite, it's radius is somewhere around 13.8 billion light years in distance. If on the other hand, it is infinite, ∞ would be it's radius. I personally lean toward the infinite description.

No, 13.8 billion years is the age of the Universe (going by our observable bit of it).

Since expansion of the Universe isn't about stuff moving through space, and also thanks to inflation (both add up to: we're not limited to light speed), those 13.8 billion years don't add up to 13.8 billion light years of diameter (and that'd be the radius anyway, so diameter would be double that).

You're right in that the size of the entire Universe is not decided. We do know by the flatness of space, that it is at least many times larger than our observable bit of it.

See: ht_tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe , ht_tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

(Sorry, still link limited here.)
 

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Re: What is the diameter of all of the universe?
« Reply #9 on: 26/06/2016 00:57:40 »
What is the diameter of all of the universe?
Depends upon which hypothesis one chooses to put their trust in. If the universe is finite, it's radius is somewhere around 13.8 billion light years in distance. If on the other hand, it is infinite, ∞ would be it's radius. I personally lean toward the infinite description.

No, 13.8 billion years is the age of the Universe (going by our observable bit of it).

Since expansion of the Universe isn't about stuff moving through space, and also thanks to inflation (both add up to: we're not limited to light speed), those 13.8 billion years don't add up to 13.8 billion light years of diameter (and that'd be the radius anyway, so diameter would be double that).

You're right in that the size of the entire Universe is not decided. We do know by the flatness of space, that it is at least many times larger than our observable bit of it.

See: ht_tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe , ht_tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

(Sorry, still link limited here.)
Quite right my friend, I failed to take into account the inflationary period.
 

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Re: What is the diameter of all of the universe?
« Reply #10 on: 26/06/2016 01:03:30 »
What is the diameter of all of the universe?

It must be 0 diameter, because apparently we do not see distance.



Another stupid remark and I only use this attribute on you in this forum! "It is impossible to see distance", can you get this fact finally through your thick skull?

"You measure distance", "you do not see it," our two eyes give us the illusion that we are seeing distance because of the stereoscopic effect caused by them receiving photons at slightly different angles from each other of the same image.

So to get back to the topic

What is the actual diameter of the universe?

Well the answer is obviously we do not know because we can not see distance and could never possibly know if the measurements we see were even what we are seeing because of stereoscopic effect , however you are completely wrong and we do see distance subjectively and I am sure all the members on this forum would agree with this.


added- and you are contradictory, you cant say you don't see the distance then say you can measure the distance you are not seeing.  If you cant see it , you cant measure it , very simple truths. 


As clearly put as mud! "It is easier to reason with a lamp post than you!"
« Last Edit: 26/06/2016 01:08:35 by Alan McDougall »
 

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Re: What is the diameter of all of the universe?
« Reply #11 on: 26/06/2016 01:16:30 »


As clearly put as mud! "It is easier to reason with a lamp post than you!"
You need to remember,The Box means well but his thoughts are definitely; 'Way out of the box' to put it mildly.
 

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Re: What is the diameter of all of the universe?
« Reply #12 on: 26/06/2016 02:22:43 »
There are estimates that put the diameter of the universe a approx 93 billion light years I will return with citation

http://twistedsifter.com/2012/10/putting-the-size-of-the-observable-universe-in-perspective/
 

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Re: What is the diameter of all of the universe?
« Reply #13 on: 26/06/2016 02:31:04 »
Here is a pictorial idea of the vastness of the universe



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Re: What is the diameter of all of the universe?
« Reply #14 on: 26/06/2016 11:49:17 »
This link gives a good idea of the range of scales in the observable universe: Scale of the Universe
 

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Re: What is the diameter of all of the universe?
« Reply #15 on: 26/06/2016 12:54:27 »


As clearly put as mud! "It is easier to reason with a lamp post than you!"
You need to remember,The Box means well but his thoughts are definitely; 'Way out of the box' to put it mildly.

I disagree the "Box is here simply to disrupt meaningful dialogue between lucid members, who have insightful substance between their ears, with his constant stubborn meaningless, nonsensical, ambiguous insistence that he can see light before it reaches his eyes.

He cannot be thinking outside the "Box' because there is nothing inside his  'Box" in the first place and all he is here for is to frustrate and irritate members with his inane nonsense and refusal to be reasoned with.

Like I said in a previous post It is more productive to reason with a lamp post than our dear, dear "Box"

"He is hijacking this thread with his rubbish"

Alan
 

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Re: What is the diameter of all of the universe?
« Reply #16 on: 27/06/2016 00:42:48 »


I disagree the "Box is here simply to disrupt meaningful dialogue between lucid members, who have insightful substance between their ears, with his constant stubborn meaningless, nonsensical, ambiguous insistence that he can see light before it reaches his eyes.
You may be right Alan, I have also wondered about his motives for some time now. Thinking that he surely couldn't be as ignorant as his posts seem to suggest. However, the possibility still remains that he may just be that ignorant and na´ve and just can't help showing that ignorance from time to time.

Quote from: Alan McDougall

"He is hijacking this thread with his rubbish"

Alan
About that, fact I totally agree..........................
 
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Re: What is the diameter of all of the universe?
« Reply #17 on: 27/06/2016 08:58:42 »
What is the diameter of all of the universe?

It must be 0 diameter, because apparently we do not see distance.



Another stupid remark and I only use this attribute on you in this forum! "It is impossible to see distance", can you get this fact finally through your thick skull?

"You measure distance", "you do not see it," our two eyes give us the illusion that we are seeing distance because of the stereoscopic effect caused by them receiving photons at slightly different angles from each other of the same image.

So to get back to the topic

What is the actual diameter of the universe?

Well the answer is obviously we do not know because we can not see distance and could never possibly know if the measurements we see were even what we are seeing because of stereoscopic effect , however you are completely wrong and we do see distance subjectively and I am sure all the members on this forum would agree with this.


added- and you are contradictory, you cant say you don't see the distance then say you can measure the distance you are not seeing.  If you cant see it , you cant measure it , very simple truths. 


Liar paradox


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In philosophy and logic, the classical liar paradox or liar's paradox is the statement of a liar who states that they are lying: for instance, declaring that "I am lying" or "everything I say is false". If they are indeed lying, they are telling the truth, which means they are lying. In "this sentence is a lie" the paradox is strengthened in order to make it amenable to more rigorous logical analysis. It is still generally called the "liar paradox" although abstraction is made precisely from the liar theirself. Trying to assign to this statement, the strengthened liar, a classical binary truth value leads to a contradiction.

If "this sentence is false" is true, then the sentence is false, but if the sentence states that it is false, and it is false, then it must be true, and so on.

Get my point?  [:(!]

Alan
 

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