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Cannabis legalization in Canada is forthcoming in 2017. However should cannabis cultivation be allowed for your own and personal use?


 

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Self cultivation makes the most sense, since it places control in the hands of each person. Theoretically in could make all the marketeers, a moot point, who might try to increase mass consumption for the sake of profits. This could lead to overuse and addiction on a larger scale, than mom and pop growing.

However, the push for legalization was made possible by money; promises of taxes and profits, with personal cultivation standing in the way of revenue projections. If the politicians did not see potential tax money, they would not give it as much effort. If the commercial industries did not see profit, they would not have a put a fire under the politicians with campaign contributions. Self cultivation may not be allowed since it is not part of the master money plan created by the good ole boys cartel.

What has happened in Colorado is self cultivation does occur, with some scale up self growers able to sell product cheaper than the commercially regulated and taxed cartel The cartel double dips the consumer; profit and tax. The free style over growers have lower overhead; not regulated. They can sell cheaper than commercial even before the sales tax.

There is cartel fear, since the free market, through self growing, could lower the demand for cartel product; people grow their own. While the over producers may effectively drive down prices at the commercial level. This is bad for profits and for the state tax revenue projections, which are already included in future budgets. If the state cannot get its promised cut of the pie, it may take the ball and go home.
 
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Provided that it remains illegal to provide intoxicants of any sort to a minor, or to drive whilst intoxicated, I don't care what anyone chooses to drink, smoke, snort or inject, or where he gets it from.
 

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Adults in the US are allowed to brew their own beer--that does not appear to have gotten in the way of enormous corporations or microbreweries...

Similarly, I think a very small portion of consumed cannabis would be self-grown in places where it has been legalized. It is simply more work for (typically) lower quality. I am somewhat wary of large corporations growing and selling marijuana, but anything above-board, taxed, and regulated is bound to be better than drug cartels and mafias. Gangsters don't ask for ID, don't care if their product is tainted, and don't put any of their ill-gotten revenues back into the communities, while corporations rarely use guns to protect their turf...
 

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In Australia, there are plans to start trials of medical marijuana.

For it to demonstrate medical benefits:
  • the mix of cannabinoids (relative concentration) is important, which is determined by the strain of the plant and probably how it is grown.
  • the amount ingested is important; regulating the dose is hard for a person at home
  • the method of delivery is also important; someone with heart or lung problems will probably make their medical condition worse if they smoke it.
There is also the risk of diversion for non-medicinal use.
 

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In Australia, there are plans to start trials of medical marijuana.

For it to demonstrate medical benefits:
  • the mix of cannabinoids (relative concentration) is important, which is determined by the strain of the plant and probably how it is grown.
  • the amount ingested is important; regulating the dose is hard for a person at home
  • the method of delivery is also important; someone with heart or lung problems will probably make their medical condition worse if they smoke it.
There is also the risk of diversion for non-medicinal use.

All I can say is that it has marked and significant medical benefits; in some cases unique to where nothing else reasonably could take its place.  As far as dosage is concerned, though moderately important, at least there is no true risk of overdose; unlike pretty much any prescription medication you can name; and no one has ever died as a result of ingesting too much.  As far as it being diverted for non-medicinal use, I'd say who cares lol.  I think one of the greatest mysteries of humankind is why the plant, which is probably THE most beneficial and multi-purpose plant on the entire planet, would be something made to be illegal to begin with.  If god existed, I would consider this to be a gift from it...
 

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Should THC levels in cannabis be regulated under federal legalization? Does that mean they will grow and sell a indoor strain with limited THC levels or allow cultivation of cannabis with unrestricted amount of THC ?
 

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Quote from: IAMREALITY
no one has ever died as a result of ingesting too much [cannabis]
 
That is a bold statement.

It is known that people who try to drive a vehicle after ingesting cannabis show severely impaired control of the vehicle. So I am sure that it would have killed someone, somewhere.

Fortunately, I understand that the soporific effects of the drug discourages cannabis users from trying to drive a vehicle immediately.
 

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Quote from: tkadm30
Cannabis legalization in Canada is forthcoming in 2017. However should cannabis cultivation be allowed for your own and personal use?
This was the topic of a protest in Canada on Canada Day (1st July). The complaint on the poster is that apparently the government wants to license suppliers, and block home-grown cannabis products.

Apparently this protest is run twice per year, and (at least in Vancouver) it seemed to be ignored by the police, despite the variety of supposed cannabis products on display in the market stalls.
 

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https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2016/07/04/ottawa-might-try-to-prohibit-homegrown-pot.html

I guess if home cultivation is prohibited then this "legalization" will not end black markets from producing cannabis?

Selling cannabis with low levels of THC will not stop cannabis traffic. 
 

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Quote from: IAMREALITY
no one has ever died as a result of ingesting too much [cannabis]
 
That is a bold statement.

It is known that people who try to drive a vehicle after ingesting cannabis show severely impaired control of the vehicle. So I am sure that it would have killed someone, somewhere.

Fortunately, I understand that the soporific effects of the drug discourages cannabis users from trying to drive a vehicle immediately.

I believe this claim can be true if modified to something along the lines of "cannabis has such a high LD50 that there have never been any deaths as a direct result of toxicity associated with overdose"

Obviously, people who are high out of their minds can do things that may pose a danger to themselves or others (especially when vehicles, guns, or chainsaws are involved...)
 
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Quote from: IAMREALITY
no one has ever died as a result of ingesting too much [cannabis]
 
That is a bold statement.

It is known that people who try to drive a vehicle after ingesting cannabis show severely impaired control of the vehicle. So I am sure that it would have killed someone, somewhere.

Fortunately, I understand that the soporific effects of the drug discourages cannabis users from trying to drive a vehicle immediately.

I believe this claim can be true if modified to something along the lines of "cannabis has such a high LD50 that there have never been any deaths as a direct result of toxicity associated with overdose"

Obviously, people who are high out of their minds can do things that may pose a danger to themselves or others (especially when vehicles, guns, or chainsaws are involved...)

Yes, that modified statement is exactly what I meant.

In no way would I recommend going for a cruise on the freeway after getting stoned out of your mind on some really good kind bud...
 

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Should THC levels in cannabis be regulated under federal legalization?

Will never happen for two reasons:

1. Every marijuana product sold would have to be run through HPLC or GC-MS analysis, and the cost would be astronomical.

2. Even if they could overcome the economic hurdle, there would be no way to enforce it outside of marijuana dispensaries.
 
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It is known that people who try to drive a vehicle after ingesting cannabis show severely impaired control of the vehicle.

No. That's cherry-picked information. Cite your references and I'll show you the inconsistencies.

Three [pivotal] facts to consider:

1. Dose

2. Route of entry

3. Interindividual variables

 

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Fortunately, I understand that the soporific effects of the drug discourages cannabis users from trying to drive a vehicle immediately.

Where are you getting your information from?

I've driven for 20+ years either before/during or after smoking and I've had zero accidents or speeding tickets.... and I'm 40.

Similar scenarios with other individuals are virtually endless.
 

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should cannabis cultivation be allowed for your own and personal use?

The answer is a resounding & emphatic yes.... unequivocally.

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Fortunately, I understand that the soporific effects of the drug discourages cannabis users from trying to drive a vehicle immediately.

Where are you getting your information from?

I've driven for 20+ years either before/during or after smoking and I've had zero accidents or speeding tickets.... and I'm 40.

Similar scenarios with other individuals are virtually endless.

Then you have been breaking the law and endangering the lives of others. In my life I have had the opportunity to see what illicit drug use does to individuals over time. They themselves think they are fine. It can be like watching a slow motion train wreck.
 

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Fortunately, I understand that the soporific effects of the drug discourages cannabis users from trying to drive a vehicle immediately.

Where are you getting your information from?

I've driven for 20+ years either before/during or after smoking and I've had zero accidents or speeding tickets.... and I'm 40.

Similar scenarios with other individuals are virtually endless.

Oy vey what a ridiculously short sighted position. It's completely irrelevant that you haven't yet harmed yourself or others.  All it takes is once.  And the inescapable fact is that you're putting others at risk by your irresponsible behavior, period.  That much is certain, regardless of the denials. And my god the tone you take here in the forums, just such a lack of respect.
 

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......just such a lack of respect.

MOD COMMENT:
Can we please have more respect and keep the conversation in these threads friendly.

I appreciate that there are strong feelings here but please keep responses neutral and respect other views, that means both in language and also the Internet versions of shouting.
 

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Can we please have more respect and keep the conversation in these threads friendly.

Then you'd better delete the post prior to yours, as well as nearly every other post IAMREALITY makes.

My response was selectively deleted.

My opportunity to defend the very statement I made is now gone.

This forum is dysfunctional.... I'm done.
 

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Fortunately, I understand that the soporific effects of the drug discourages cannabis users from trying to drive a vehicle immediately.

Where are you getting your information from?

I've driven for 20+ years either before/during or after smoking and I've had zero accidents or speeding tickets.... and I'm 40.

Similar scenarios with other individuals are virtually endless.


It's real easy for those of you who do not smoke, to ridicule that which you do not understand.

Before I depart, here's my defense once again:

I've never endangered anyone's life as a result of smoking marijuana - ever.

NEWSFLASH:
THC IS DOSE-DEPENDENT - YOU CAN SMOKE WEED WITHOUT IMPAIRING COGNITIVE FUNCTION!

I use THC to [enhance] cognitive function & locomotor skills.... not to impair them!

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It isn't ridicule it's concern for the safety of myself and other drivers on the road with irresponsible fools like you around.
 


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So while you are off your face in la la land I'm supposed to be happy driving on the same road as you? I am not speaking as a moderator BTW. Just as me. I have a daughter that has just started driving after passing her test. How do you expect me to feel? Have you seen the statistics on the percentage of idiots driving while off their heads? Tell your opinions to the families who have lost loved ones through this irresponsibility. The trouble with drug dependence is denial. Just the same as with alcoholics.
 

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