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#### Thebox

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##### The speed of time
« on: 27/06/2016 09:14:16 »
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“Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No  matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got  there first, and is waiting for it.”

Terry Pratchett

It light speed c the fastest speed in the universe?

Alan

Darkness does not have a speed, however the speed of light is not the fastest speed in the Universe, time is faster than light. A ''Photon'' could never overtake time.

#### jeffreyH

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##### Re: The speed of time
« Reply #1 on: 27/06/2016 09:38:05 »
Darkness doesn't have a particle associated with it nor a field of any sort. Since time is inherent to the calculation of speed it cannot be faster than the very thing it determines. That would be paradoxical. Time however does have a gradient when viewed from infinity. However this in direct proportion to the changes that it measures so it does not support your assertion.

#### Thebox

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##### Re: The speed of time
« Reply #2 on: 27/06/2016 09:48:06 »
Darkness doesn't have a particle associated with it nor a field of any sort. Since time is inherent to the calculation of speed it cannot be faster than the very thing it determines. That would be paradoxical. Time however does have a gradient when viewed from infinity. However this in direct proportion to the changes that it measures so it does not support your assertion.

We move forward in space-time Jeff, time is always ahead of us and anything with a speed can not overtake what is ahead of it unless it can Quantum leap and displace itself by teleportation ability.

Look in any direction Jeff, if you walked in any of those directions you can ''see'' your future destination, the time is ahead of you and interwoven with your time. However when you approach your destination , time is still ahead of you, if you then looked behind you, time is now ahead of you in the direction of time you just came from that was your past but is now your future path if you walked back again to the beginning.

Time is instantaneous Jeff, there is nothing faster than time, light travels through time and space.

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##### Re: The speed of time
« Reply #3 on: 27/06/2016 10:31:04 »
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Time is instantaneous
I would say that when you take measurements in your lab, Time travels at 1 second per second.
So it's not instantaneous.

#### Alan McDougall

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##### Re: The speed of time
« Reply #4 on: 27/06/2016 12:06:31 »
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Time is instantaneous
I would say that when you take measurements in your lab, Time travels at 1 second per second.
So it's not instantaneous.

The question was about the possibility of something going faster than c, "until you changed it and started speculating about "time."

And from where does this ridiculous false idea come from that, "time is instantaneous" when my bedside clock vividly shows to the contrary, that time is moving at particular rate relative to gravity field surrounding it.

To get back to the topic

Examples of situations that exceed c

Space itself (and whatever occupies that space).  According to the measured value of the Hubble constant much of the observed universe is now moving away from us faster than light.

A quantum probability function collapse.   e.g. There is a well know effect known as the EPR where measuring one particle of a quantum entangled pair will effect the wave function of the other particle instantly (or possibly retroactively) regardless of how far away it is?

Alan

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#### Alan McDougall

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##### Re: The speed of time
« Reply #5 on: 27/06/2016 12:29:25 »
Darkness doesn't have a particle associated with it nor a field of any sort. Since time is inherent to the calculation of speed it cannot be faster than the very thing it determines. That would be paradoxical. Time however does have a gradient when viewed from infinity. However this in direct proportion to the changes that it measures so it does not support your assertion.

We move forward in space-time Jeff, time is always ahead of us and anything with a speed can not overtake what is ahead of it unless it can Quantum leap and displace itself by teleportation ability.

Look in any direction Jeff, if you walked in any of those directions you can ''see'' your future destination, the time is ahead of you and interwoven with your time. However when you approach your destination , time is still ahead of you, if you then looked behind you, time is now ahead of you in the direction of time you just came from that was your past but is now your future path if you walked back again to the beginning.

Time is instantaneous Jeff, there is nothing faster than time, light travels through time and space.

Again your post is so ambiguous and that it makes absolutely no sense,  and is full of falsehood?

Time my friend is not ahead of you or behind you, time is stuck to your body which has to obey the laws of physics and move with time in the only possible direction , into your as yet not experienced "future"

#### Thebox

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##### Re: The speed of time
« Reply #6 on: 27/06/2016 13:04:59 »
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Time is instantaneous
I would say that when you take measurements in your lab, Time travels at 1 second per second.
So it's not instantaneous.

Ok, so start from zero and end at 1 second which is a rather large  increment of time, how much time fills the ''gap'' between 0 and 1?

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##### Re: The speed of time
« Reply #7 on: 27/06/2016 13:07:27 »

The question was about the possibility of something going faster than c, "until you changed it and started speculating about "time."

Yes, and I am discussing why time is faster than c.

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##### Re: The speed of time
« Reply #7 on: 27/06/2016 13:07:27 »