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There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?

A modern day Evangelist doing to others what he despises in them, forcing his beliefs down their throats a prime example of a hypocrite, what is he trying to achieve? He should go home and spend valuable time with his family and grandchildren, instead of going all over the world, convincing the already converted, who already are atheists like him.

"In a billion years he will never get a fundamentalist to convert to his belief, what a huge waste of time and effort"

He does make fools of the religious fundamentalists, "but how easy is that"?, to make fools of those ignorant in basic science, but being ignorant does not mean they are stupid, they just do not know things he knows.

As a scientist he should know he simply cannot prove that god does not exist, so until he can he should go home and shut up and stop irritating people .

He is in his 70,s and has just had a stroke, so maybe he should reconsider his position as far as the existence of god goes and the possibility that there just might be an afterlife?

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Re: There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?
« Reply #1 on: 29/06/2016 15:03:38 »
There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?

A modern day Evangelist doing to others what he despises in them, forcing his beliefs down their throats a prime example of a hypocrite, what is he trying to achieve? He should go home and spend valuable time with his family and grandchildren, instead of going all over the world, convincing the already converted, who already are atheists like him.

this is incorrect, Darwkins is not an Athiest, he is an Anti-Thiest, he has in the past actively called for Militant Athieisms. He actively seeks the destruction of Religion, in his own words he Despises God.

To Quote Orwell

"He was an embittered atheist, the sort of atheist who does not so much disbelieve in God as personally dislike Him."

"In a billion years he will never get a fundamentalist to convert to his belief, what a huge waste of time and effort"

He does make fools of the religious fundamentalists, "but how easy is that"?,

Very easy, most regular religious people joke about them also. Like many scientist Darkins is more interested in Fame And with the Selfish Gene as an Idea, it has caused nothing but trouble in the Free Market but it made Dawkins Famous and thats whats important.


to make fools of those ignorant in basic science, but being ignorant does not mean they are stupid, they just do not know things he knows.

As a scientist he should know he simply cannot prove that god does not exist, so until he can he should go home and shut up and stop irritating people .

I do not see a scientist when I see Dawkins, just and Anrgy man that wants to be Rich and Famous.


He is in his 70,s and has just had a stroke, so maybe he should reconsider his position as far as the existence of god goes and the possibility that there just might be an afterlife?

Alan

He´s too Proud for that, even if God appeared to him he´d probably die denying it ever happened.
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Re: There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?
« Reply #2 on: 29/06/2016 15:19:28 »
There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?

A modern day Evangelist doing to others what he despises in them, forcing his beliefs down their throats a prime example of a hypocrite, what is he trying to achieve? He should go home and spend valuable time with his family and grandchildren, instead of going all over the world, convincing the already converted, who already are atheists like him.

this is incorrect, Darwkins is not an Athiest, he is an Anti-Thiest, he has in the past actively called for Militant Athieisms. He actively seeks the destruction of Religion, in his own words he Despises God.

To Quote Orwell

"He was an embittered atheist, the sort of atheist who does not so much disbelieve in God as personally dislike Him."

"In a billion years he will never get a fundamentalist to convert to his belief, what a huge waste of time and effort"

He does make fools of the religious fundamentalists, "but how easy is that"?,

Very easy, most regular religious people joke about them also. Like many scientist Darkins is more interested in Fame And with the Selfish Gene as an Idea, it has caused nothing but trouble in the Free Market but it made Dawkins Famous and thats whats important.


to make fools of those ignorant in basic science, but being ignorant does not mean they are stupid, they just do not know things he knows.

As a scientist he should know he simply cannot prove that god does not exist, so until he can he should go home and shut up and stop irritating people .

I do not see a scientist when I see Dawkins, just and Anrgy man that wants to be Rich and Famous.


He is in his 70,s and has just had a stroke, so maybe he should reconsider his position as far as the existence of god goes and the possibility that there just might be an afterlife?

Alan

He´s too Proud for that, even if God appeared to him he´d probably die denying it ever happened.

Thank you for one of the best summation of this angry little that man I have ever read, who is doing exactly what he hates in others evangelizing his own 'Beliefs void of proof and making a good deal of money in the process!

Thank you again!

Regards

Alan
 

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Re: There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?
« Reply #3 on: 29/06/2016 17:16:25 »
Thank the flying spaghetti monster for people like Dawkins, who are not afraid to speak out about the evils of religion and who actively try and help eradicate it from this earth; being that religion itself is probably human kind's greatest ignorance, shortcoming, and destructive force.  It is a stain on our humanity and the crimes committed in any given made up gods name are far too numerous.  And the stigma attached to atheists, the societal bias and downright discrimination, is pathetic; especially when we are the enlightened ones, we are the ones who see more deeply, we are the ones who sees things as they are, we are the ones with the more evolved intellect.  We are the ones with a strong enough mind to be able to handle the concept of Reality and Circumstance without having to create this false entity just so that we don't have to feel alone, so that we feel like we always have a best friend there, or that we're always unconditionally loved, that someone is always there to guide us, or to listen to us, or to be a source of our strength, or to put silly faith in, or to believe can answer our prayers.  We have the strength to be able to handle the concept that ultimately we are alone and that ultimately we die.  We can handle the concept that things happen simply because they happen, and simply because that's life.  We don't need a crutch to walk through life.  We are strong enough to do it on our own.

But we're so stigmatized by society, even though we are the more intellectually advanced and aware, that many choose to stay silent.  Thankfully there are those like Dawkins, even if I disagree with some of his methods, that speak out, even at great risk to themselves.  I'm grateful that more and more seem to be waking up though, and that in most developed nations religion is getting weaker and weaker and less and less believe.  It shows as a species we are evolving.  And hopefully soon, though likely not in my lifetime, religion will be relegated to the annals of history where it belongs; reflective of a time as a species we were ignorant and needed god as an explanation to the things we didn't understand.  Thankfully science has become advanced enough that more and more things once attributed to this false notion of god have since been shown to not require it as an explanation whatsoever.  And as we go further down a path of intellect and scientific discovery I feel it won't be long till it is shown without doubt that god isn't necessary for literally anything at all.  And hopefully then people will wake up and realize just how silly a concept it was to begin with, just as much as we regard those now that had once considered the earth to be flat and something you could fall off of.

Yes, I'm passionate about the subject.  Because I've seen the destruction and death that religion causes.  Because I'm aware enough to see just how ridiculous a concept it is, of mentally projecting myself flying off the planet, to where it becomes a blue dot, to where the sun becomes a dot, to where all the stars are dots, to where our galaxy too then becomes but one of 2-500 billion other galaxies, and then thinking how some think that there's some god hovering around that inperceivable blue dot, listening to their prayers and dictating circumstance.  Yeah, ummm okie dokie.  And then they use that notion to cast judgment on others, to consider themselves better than others, they use it to discriminate against others, against women, against gays, against non believers.  They use it to manipulate, they use it avoid, they use it as justifications for their hatreds and biases.  But it is humanity's greatest stain and ignorance.  Science has already shown that on so many levels, having since explained so many things that once were so steadfastly attributed to 'god'.  And soon, everything attributed to 'god' will be shown to be deeply rooted in science instead, with no longer a need for such ridiculous malarkey as an explanation.
 

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Re: There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?
« Reply #4 on: 29/06/2016 18:30:57 »
As a scientist he should know he simply cannot prove that god does not exist,
Not a very scientific statement. What we can say is that on the one hand every god that has yet been proposed, has been shown not to exist, and on the other, there is no requirement for anything that might be described as a god. Thus, like phlogiston and caloric, we are entitled to dispense with the outmoded hypothesis.
 

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Re: There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?
« Reply #5 on: 29/06/2016 18:35:38 »
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As far as this topic goes, there's probably not very many I'd be more passionate about.  Like I said, the fairytale god is the biggest flaw and ignorance of humankind, its most glaring example of how far it has to go in order to be considered a truly intelligent species.  I can all but guarantee if we ever met an advanced alien race, that they'd view us as simpletons upon discovering our need for god to exist.  But again, thankfully the concept is on its way out, and intellect will someday reign supreme, and the concept of god will no longer infect minds, except for maybe a pocket of radicals who refuse to give in to science, logic and reason.  I'd say those days are a century or two away at best.

There's zero evidence god exists, nor will there ever be.  Because there can be no evidence for something that's merely an invention of the mind and nothing more.  Thankfully we have great minds like Stephen Hawking who have shown that the concept is no longer necessary to explain pretty much anything at all.  It's a crutch for those too weak to handle the concept of existence on their own, nothing more.  Ponder that a bit.  You'll see... 
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Re: There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?
« Reply #6 on: 29/06/2016 18:36:37 »
As a scientist he should know he simply cannot prove that god does not exist,
Not a very scientific statement. What we can say is that on the one hand every god that has yet been proposed, has been shown not to exist, and on the other, there is no requirement for anything that might be described as a god. Thus, like phlogiston and caloric, we are entitled to dispense with the outmoded hypothesis.

Very powerful statement.  I couldn't agree more.
 

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Re: There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?
« Reply #7 on: 13/07/2016 16:04:08 »
Thank the flying spaghetti monster for people like Dawkins, who are not afraid to speak out about the evils of religion and who actively try and help eradicate it from this earth; being that religion itself is probably human kind's greatest ignorance, shortcoming, and destructive force.

Human nature is behind the evils of history. Look at the 20th century, a secular century, and industrial scale WW1, WW2 and almost WW3. Vietnam, the middle east...

For some of us Genesis is not looked to as the explanation for everything, with science as the alternate, we just don't have faith as a means to justify where all things came from. We instead have the revelation of Christ, and all other Biblical matters through Him. And hundreds of millions of us have experienced Christ as a presence and received Him. And then comes glossolalia... I have experienced that and other things and seen events at the pulpit live.

When we have spiritual encounters with the benevolent, we have a knowing that fits in with faith rather than the empirical. It is a revelation of God. Following this those people try to sustain a higher standard and go for more. Then that latter is religion. Then further their children not having a spiritual high have like a secondary religion...

In the 1980s I heard there were hundreds of millions of people who said they received Christ and some glossolalia... This generation of westerners are materialistic, pleasure loving and love irreverent humour. Also there is mocking of open mindedness and irrationality and supernatural experience. People think all we have, we got by war, or we could have gained all this material, and knowledge and good will, just with philosophy... I don't agree with it.

Not all religion is true and benevolent like that which comes from Christ. And the children can take it to extremes. They get it wrong, folly or extremism.

Jesus Christ is the answer to human nature, not the problem. And there are unclean spirits.

The west was once very Christian. People like Wilberforce abolishing slavery, cruelty to animals, and providing free education, before socialism were Christian heroes. It injected benevolence into human nature and culture.

Now it is that the missionaries from the west, made converts in other countries through evangelism, which was thankfully revived after Martin Luther. It was all too suppressed before. Now the majority of Christians are in Brazil, India, China, Korea and Africa. And Eastern Europe is taking up the faith again.

The experiencing of God's presence and power, the being spiritual is more important than religion, and I think it will always re-appear.
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Re: There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?
« Reply #8 on: 13/07/2016 17:05:33 »
Thank the flying spaghetti monster for people like Dawkins, who are not afraid to speak out about the evils of religion and who actively try and help eradicate it from this earth; being that religion itself is probably human kind's greatest ignorance, shortcoming, and destructive force.

Human nature is behind the evils of history. Look at the 20th century, a secular century, and industrial scale WW1, WW2 and almost WW3. Vietnam, the middle east...

For some of us Genesis is not looked to as the explanation for everything, with science as the alternate, we just don't have faith as a means to justify where all things came from. We instead have the revelation of Christ, and all other Biblical matters through Him. And hundreds of millions of us have experienced Christ as a presence and received Him. And then comes glossolalia... I have experienced that and other things and seen events at the pulpit live.

When we have spiritual encounters with the benevolent, we have a knowing that fits in with faith rather than the empirical. It is a revelation of God. Following this those people try to sustain a higher standard and go for more. Then that latter is religion. Then further their children not having a spiritual high have like a secondary religion...

In the 1980s I heard there were hundreds of millions of people who said they received Christ and some glossolalia... This generation of westerners are materialistic, pleasure loving and love irreverent humour. Also there is mocking of open mindedness and irrationality and supernatural experience. People think all we have, we got by war, or we could have gained all this material, and knowledge and good will, just with philosophy... I don't agree with it.

Not all religion is true and benevolent like that which comes from Christ. And the children can take it to extremes. They get it wrong, folly or extremism.

Jesus Christ is the answer to human nature, not the problem. And there are unclean spirits.

The west was once very Christian. People like Wilberforce abolishing slavery, cruelty to animals, and providing free education, before socialism were Christian heroes. It injected benevolence into human nature and culture.

Now it is that the missionaries from the west, made converts in other countries through evangelism, which was thankfully revived after Martin Luther. It was all too suppressed before. Now the majority of Christians are in Brazil, India, China, Korea and Africa. And Eastern Europe is taking up the faith again.

The experiencing of God's presence and power, the being spiritual is more important than religion, and I think it will always re-appear.

Thank you for standing for what is right, moral in this age of Godless immorality, where woman and man or female of male no longer exist and we have to have supposed to have become  " Non-Binary" "Things" or "Its" in which it is OK to do as you will!

"There are no atheists in the fox holes" The awful realization in their dying moments that they are in the actual process of dying and the knowledge and cold fear that this is their last moments of life, and the absolute finality of it, will make these God haters realise that they would have earned a place in a lost eternity and infinite separation from the love of Almighty God.

I refuse to apologize for my profound love and appreciation for the gift of life, which came exclusively from the source of life God Almighty creator of heaven and earth.

"In God, I put my trust! "

I wrote the below article some time ago

"The descent of human morality."

Humans have supposed to have become  " Non-Binary" "Things" or "Its" it is which do as you will!

The increase in wickedness and the descent of human morality and virtuous ethics

Perversion and promiscuity are portrayed as normal and fun.

 A judgmental and "morally superior" attitude is projected.

The "human righteousness" message is promoted.

Perversion and promiscuity are portrayed as normal and fun.

Purity is portrayed as weird and debilitating.

Marriage and family are redefined.

Beastality has been legalised in some countries (Canada one example)

There is an agenda against the historical Family order of husband and wife.

What will come next, marriage unions between animals and humans, anything is OK?


Now it is legal to murder an unborn child, but not a depraved murderous beast of a serial rapist-murderer.

Belief in the real almighty God is presented as silly. The authority of God is mocked.

Biblical Christianity is not tolerated. The revelation in the Bible is scoffed at.

The ideas that are presented as acceptable are these: "God is a mindless force," or "There are many gods," or "All of us are little god as," or "No one can know God," or "There is no God."

They speak of Mother Nature rather than give glory to God Almighty.

Involvement in the occult is encouraged. Many cults that lead to evil spirit possession, such as yoga and TM, are promoted.

The idea that more governmental control can replace good morals is promoted.

The message is that government or socialism in some form can solve all problems and bring about human-produced "utopia." Government dependency is promoted.

 A powerful one-world government is often presented as the solution.

 The theory of evolution is presented as if it were fact.

 Covetousness is used to rally support for various agendas.

False peace movements are promoted.

There us a tendency to speak of passivism while endorsing violence.

Addiction to entertainment is promoted.

Addictions such is gambling, drinking, perversion or promiscuity are promoted.

Strong emphasis is put on seeking pleasure and seeking wealth.

The doctrine is taught: do as thou wilt and the ability to pick one's own tenets from among many liberal tenets.
 
The doctrine is taught: every person has his or her own reality.

Believing in relativism: moral, spiritual, or physical.

Feeling that, "My opinion is just as valid as yours, there is no longer a moral boundary everything is good.

Banishment of the knowledge of the truth.

That there is no such thing as a lie.

The abnormal is considered to be the new normal

Believing that there is no right or wrong, just winners and losers.

Ability to hold two or more mutually exclusive tenets to be true at the same time is presented as sane.

Compartmentalization of areas of thought to allow for conflicting and chaotic thought processes.

Rationalised speculation is presented as the source of knowledge and wisdom.

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Re: There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?
« Reply #9 on: 13/07/2016 17:37:42 »
As a scientist he should know he simply cannot prove that god does not exist,
Not a very scientific statement. What we can say is that on the one hand every god that has yet been proposed, has been shown not to exist, and on the other, there is no requirement for anything that might be described as a god. Thus, like phlogiston and caloric, we are entitled to dispense with the outmoded hypothesis.

Very powerful statement.  I couldn't agree more.


It is not a powerful statement, in fact, it is one of the most pathetic and weak I statements I have ever had the displeasure to read. Indeed, it is a very sad statement at that, of someone who has no faith in himself or humanity and one who believes we are just biological objects.
 

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Re: There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?
« Reply #10 on: 13/07/2016 17:46:44 »
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As far as this topic goes, there's probably not very many I'd be more passionate about.  Like I said, the fairytale god is the biggest flaw and ignorance of humankind, its most glaring example of how far it has to go in order to be considered a truly intelligent species.  I can all but guarantee if we ever met an advanced alien race, that they'd view us as simpletons upon discovering our need for god to exist.  But again, thankfully the concept is on its way out, and intellect will someday reign supreme, and the concept of god will no longer infect minds, except for maybe a pocket of radicals who refuse to give in to science, logic and reason.  I'd say those days are a century or two away at best.

There's zero evidence god exists, nor will there ever be.  Because there can be no evidence for something that's merely an invention of the mind and nothing more.  Thankfully we have great minds like Stephen Hawking who have shown that the concept is no longer necessary to explain pretty much anything at all.  It's a crutch for those too weak to handle the concept of existence on their own, nothing more.  Ponder that a bit.  You'll see...

So by your perverse reasoning, anyone who believes in God is a simpleton making you an atheist by default into a highly intelligent exalted enlightened being. There are countless scientists that by comparison to you, with IQ's that far exceed yours that believe in a creator, God.

Here is just one list of them?

http://www.famousscientists.org/25-famous-scientists-who-believed-in-god/
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« Reply #11 on: 13/07/2016 19:16:40 »
It is not a powerful statement, in fact, it is one of the most pathetic and weak I statements I have ever had the displeasure to read. Indeed, it is a very sad statement at that, of someone who has no faith in himself or humanity and one who believes we are just biological objects.
It appears that you have a problem with biological objects. That's a shame. It also seems that you aren't happy with humans unless they have some kind of deity supporting them. That's also a shame.

The real problem with Dawkins is that he is very much an elitist and he wields his intellectual superiority against people rather than for them. It would be nice if people could look past religion and help people. Sadly, Dawkins is correct that those who believe powerfully in religion often make life harder for themselves and others.
 

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Re: There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?
« Reply #12 on: 14/07/2016 02:38:51 »
It is not a powerful statement, in fact, it is one of the most pathetic and weak I statements I have ever had the displeasure to read. Indeed, it is a very sad statement at that, of someone who has no faith in himself or humanity and one who believes we are just biological objects.
It appears that you have a problem with biological objects. That's a shame. It also seems that you aren't happy with humans unless they have some kind of deity supporting them. That's also a shame.

The real problem with Dawkins is that he is very much an elitist and he wields his intellectual superiority against people rather than for them. It would be nice if people could look past religion and help people. Sadly, Dawkins is correct that those who believe powerfully in religion often make life harder for themselves and others.

How could you possibly know that he is correct, prove it?

Yes, I have a real problem believing that any living organism is just an "Object' or that we humans are just mistakes of evolution of and just watery bags of protoplasm.

Do you really believe that when you look into the eyes of someone you love, that it is just a soulless "Object" or "Thing" or "It" looking back at you?

He is a hypocrite doing exactly what he despises in believers. Evangelising his beliefs, and making a good living out of it in the process, forcing his opinion down the throats of others who differ from him, preaching and proselytising his unprovable gospel of a new religion namely "New Atheism"

What on earth is he trying to achieve, convert the whole world into the cult of "New Atheism". What a colossal waste of time is that?

I repeat

" There is no God and Ricard Dawings is his prophet and Charles Darwin is the Messiah."

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/the_god_delusion.html

Richard Dawkins has stepped out of his usual area of expertise, biological evolution, and has attempted to become atheism's greatest apologist. Unfortunately, like so many other atheists, he picks out the easy targets with blinders fully engaged, to avoid having to deal with any serious challenges to his beliefs. Yes, I did use the "b" word, since Dawkins actively promotes the belief that there is no God (hence the title) and that atheists should "come out" of the closet and exhibit abundant "atheist pride."

Dawkins "IS "preaching to the choir," since the vast majority of his apologetics is either old and refuted or strawman in nature. This is a series of articles debunking the atheistic apologetics of The God Delusion.


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Re: There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?
« Reply #13 on: 14/07/2016 05:39:39 »
Albert  Einsteins Quotes On Spirituality

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/einstein/

I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.

Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.

My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.

The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge.

Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.

The scientists’ religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.

There is no logical way to the discovery of elemental laws. There is only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order lying behind the appearance.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious; It is the source of all true art and science.

We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality.

Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.

When the solution is simple, God is answering.

God does not play dice with the universe.

God is subtle but he is not malicious.

A human being is a part of the whole, called by us Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest-a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.

The man who regards his own life and that of his fellow creatures as meaningless is not merely unfortunate but almost disqualified for life.

Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.
Only a life lived for others is a life worthwhile.

The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library.

The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books—-a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects.

The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.

 One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity.

What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism.

The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion. Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and lives in a state of fear is a dead man.

 To know that what is impenetrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are intelligible to our poor faculties - this knowledge, this feeling ... that is the core of the true religious sentiment. In this sense, and in this sense alone, I rank myself among profoundly religious men.

The real problem is in the hearts and minds of men. It is easier to denature plutonium than to denature the evil spirit of man.

True religion is real living; living with all one’s soul, with all one’s goodness and righteousness.

Intelligence makes clear to us the interrelationship of means and ends. But mere thinking cannot give us a sense of the ultimate and fundamental ends.

To make clear these fundamental ends and valuations and to set them fast in the emotional life of the individual, seems to me precisely the most important function which religion has to form in the social life of man.
 

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« Reply #14 on: 14/07/2016 10:50:33 »
Who would invite Ricard Dawkins in the last moments of life, to the death bed of a beloved relative, not me I would tell him to get lost?

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How would he comfort them by saying "Bad toenails", "accept your fate and the terrifying fact that you are going to cease to exist in the next few moments, because of your selfish genes, who do not care if you ever existed"

Or maybe?

"In the grand order of the mindless universe, "you mean nothing" and you have spent your life in a constant delusion that there is a God that cares for you, in these final wise informed words of mine, find some comfort for yourself and accept the awful reality of the total cessation of your being".

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What idiot would want this puffed up egotistical little unlikeable full of himself to the extent that everyone else is stupid fools would want this entity at their dying moments to comfort them?

All he could really do is watch speechlessly as they slowly entered the valley of death.

He has just lately had a stroke that could have killed him, so maybe providence is trying to get his attention that time is short and that at his age of 74, he should focus on the really important things in his life. Such as returning to those he leaves languishing in the UK, (while he is away spouting his hateful atheist), Go back to those who he loves in a chemical driven way, his wife, children, grandchildren, those things that are really meaningful, important and precious in his life and stop trying to bring the whole world around to believing his fundamentalist atheism.

All he is doing is preaching to those that accept his belief system , he is wasting his time trying to convert believers if they believe the tooth fairy is God so what?

It is just one colossal exercise in total absolute futility!

Alan
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« Reply #15 on: 14/07/2016 12:34:00 »
The real problem with Dawkins is that he is very much an elitist and he wields his intellectual superiority against people rather than for them. It would be nice if people could look past religion and help people. Sadly, Dawkins is correct that those who believe powerfully in religion often make life harder for themselves and others.

How could you possibly know that he is correct, prove it?
I can look at history. I can read the paper tomorrow.
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Yes, I have a real problem believing that any living organism is just an "Object' or that we humans are just mistakes of evolution of and just watery bags of protoplasm.
You are the one using words like "just" and "mistakes", biology does not require that you use those words. You don't like humans, probably because of religious influence.
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He is a hypocrite doing exactly what he despises in believers. Evangelising his beliefs, and making a good living out of it in the process, forcing his opinion down the throats of others who differ from him, preaching and proselytising his unprovable gospel of a new religion namely "New Atheism"
I agree. However, religions don't get to be correct merely because Dawkins is a hypocrite.
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What on earth is he trying to achieve, convert the whole world into the cult of "New Atheism". What a colossal waste of time is that?
He does think that much of the suffering on the Earth is due to religion. He is certainly correct that some of it is, but he definitely underestimates how much is due to racism, misogyny, and fiscal inequality.
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Richard Dawkins has stepped out of his usual area of expertise, biological evolution, and has attempted to become atheism's greatest apologist. Unfortunately, like so many other atheists, he picks out the easy targets with blinders fully engaged, to avoid having to deal with any serious challenges to his beliefs. Yes, I did use the "b" word, since Dawkins actively promotes the belief that there is no God (hence the title) and that atheists should "come out" of the closet and exhibit abundant "atheist pride."
Religions are, unfortunately, filled with "easy targets". You are actually making one of Dawkins points if your religious position is that nobody should attack these targets: you are saying that even the moderately religious should give a pass to the worst behavior of anyone in the name of their religion, thus saying that moderate and tolerant religious belief supports extreme and intolerant religious belief.
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Dawkins "IS "preaching to the choir," since the vast majority of his apologetics is either old and refuted or strawman in nature.
While he is preaching to the choir on many occasions, clearly that's not all he is doing, since the people on that website are very scared of what he has to say. That an argument against religion is old does not mean that it is wrong.
 

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« Reply #16 on: 14/07/2016 12:38:09 »
Albert  Einsteins Quotes On Spirituality
To bring up these quotations is an act of deception. They are used to support the idea that Einstein believed an a type of deity that he criticized.

A nice discussion of one quotation taken out of context, along with a critique, is at https://newrepublic.com/article/115821/einsteins-famous-quote-science-religion-didnt-mean-taught
 

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« Reply #17 on: 14/07/2016 13:26:37 »
Einstein was a great scientist and called upon to be a strategist, thankfully he rejected Nazism and worked for the USA, but he invented with his team, the first atomic bomb and advocated it's use.

Great at reason, it is said he did not believe in a god behind the universe. But he worked for WW2's biggest war machine, on the Christian nation's side.
 

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« Reply #18 on: 14/07/2016 15:02:59 »
Einstein was a great scientist and called upon to be a strategist, thankfully he rejected Nazism and worked for the USA, but he invented with his team, the first atomic bomb and advocated it's use.

Great at reason, it is said he did not believe in a god behind the universe. But he worked for WW2's biggest war machine, on the Christian nation's side.
Are you saying that Einstein worked for Germany? They were likely the most Christian nation at the time, since they actively persecuted non-Christian faiths.
 

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« Reply #19 on: 15/07/2016 03:37:05 »
Einstein was a great scientist and called upon to be a strategist, thankfully he rejected Nazism and worked for the USA, but he invented with his team, the first atomic bomb and advocated it's use.

Great at reason, it is said he did not believe in a god behind the universe. But he worked for WW2's biggest war machine, on the Christian nation's side.

That is not accurate Einstein never worked on any war machine, all he did was due to the urging of other scientists, was sign off on a letter, who had already penned it is the deceptive was that he had written it himself,  which the scientist took to President Roosevelt, who based on the "supposed words of this great man". allowed them to set up the Manhattan Project, which led to the creation of the atomic bomb

Later Einstein said it was the biggest mistake of his life

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http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/einstein.shtml


                                Albert Einstein
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                                             August 2nd 1939

F.D. Roosevelt
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Sir:

      Some recent work by E.Fermi and L. Szilard, which has been communicated to me in manuscript, leads me to expect that the element uranium may be turned into a new and important source of energy in the immediate future. Certain aspects of the situation which has arisen seem to call for watchfulness and, if necessary, quick action on the part of the Administration. I believe therefore that it is my duty to bring to your attention the following facts and recommendations:---


Go to the link and read the rest for yourself

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« Reply #20 on: 15/07/2016 04:16:21 »
Einstein was a great scientist and called upon to be a strategist, thankfully he rejected Nazism and worked for the USA, but he invented with his team, the first atomic bomb and advocated it's use.

Great at reason, it is said he did not believe in a god behind the universe. But he worked for WW2's biggest war machine, on the Christian nation's side.
Are you saying that Einstein worked for Germany? They were likely the most Christian nation at the time, since they actively persecuted non-Christian faiths.

The Christian nations would be the USA, Ireland, Poland, all of Europe, but for Germany, who burned their Bibles, renounced the Christian faith in favour of bringing in their own third reign. They only kept some Gospels to criticize the Jews and to persuade Christians to turn.
 
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« Reply #21 on: 15/07/2016 04:20:57 »
Einstein was a great scientist and called upon to be a strategist, thankfully he rejected Nazism and worked for the USA, but he invented with his team, the first atomic bomb and advocated it's use.

Great at reason, it is said he did not believe in a god behind the universe. But he worked for WW2's biggest war machine, on the Christian nation's side.
Are you saying that Einstein worked for Germany? They were likely the most Christian nation at the time, since they actively persecuted non-Christian faiths.

The Christian nations would be the USA, Ireland, Poland, all of Europe, but for Germany, who burned their Bibles, renounced the Christian faith in favour of bringing in their own third reign. They only kept some Gospels to criticize the Jews and to persuade Christians to turn.

Just to let you know I agree with nearly everything you say, keep up the good work and never compromise on your faith or in what you believe is good and true!!

Blessings

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« Reply #22 on: 15/07/2016 04:31:51 »
Albert  Einsteins Quotes On Spirituality
To bring up these quotations is an act of deception. They are used to support the idea that Einstein believed an a type of deity that he criticized.

A nice discussion of one quotation taken out of context, along with a critique, is at https://newrepublic.com/article/115821/einsteins-famous-quote-science-religion-didnt-mean-taught

How on Gods Clean earth can that ever be construed by the least moronic idiot to be a deception? It was word for word quotes direct out of the mouth of Albert Einstein'

Einstein did say if he believed in a God it would be the "God of the Dutch philosopher Spinoza, who was a deist. Einstein was rather vague about his belief in the divine seemly vacillating from that of an outright atheist to a that of a deist
 

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« Reply #23 on: 15/07/2016 12:11:07 »
Einstein was a great scientist and called upon to be a strategist, thankfully he rejected Nazism and worked for the USA, but he invented with his team, the first atomic bomb and advocated it's use.

Great at reason, it is said he did not believe in a god behind the universe. But he worked for WW2's biggest war machine, on the Christian nation's side.
Are you saying that Einstein worked for Germany? They were likely the most Christian nation at the time, since they actively persecuted non-Christian faiths.

The Christian nations would be the USA, Ireland, Poland, all of Europe, but for Germany, who burned their Bibles, renounced the Christian faith in favour of bringing in their own third reign. They only kept some Gospels to criticize the Jews and to persuade Christians to turn.
Just because they did things you don't like doesn't make them non-Christian.
 

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« Reply #24 on: 15/07/2016 12:14:42 »
Albert  Einsteins Quotes On Spirituality
To bring up these quotations is an act of deception. They are used to support the idea that Einstein believed an a type of deity that he criticized.

A nice discussion of one quotation taken out of context, along with a critique, is at https://newrepublic.com/article/115821/einsteins-famous-quote-science-religion-didnt-mean-taught

How on Gods Clean earth can that ever be construed by the least moronic idiot to be a deception? It was word for word quotes direct out of the mouth of Albert Einstein'
It is because there are many Christians out there who pass around "the words of Einstein" that are a) sometimes not Einstein's words or b) words taken out of context. There are many Christians in the English speaking world who have an industry of producing deceptive quotations.
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Einstein did say if he believed in a God it would be the "God of the Dutch philosopher Spinoza, who was a deist. Einstein was rather vague about his belief in the divine seemly vacillating from that of an outright atheist to a that of a deist
Thank you for providing that caveat now. Note that before, in the context of evangelizing for a specific religion with a personalized deity, you presented Einstein's words as if they supported that religious belief.
 

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