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Yousuf Godir asked the Naked Scientists:
   Do we understand that some scientific phenomenon became a religion dogma for scientist, and hence rationality fades away? For example, Big Bang, gravitation, and heliocentric seem to me not holding their feet on the ground, yet scientist consider it immune. Do you think these theories have strong base?
What do you think?
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Re: Can scientific beliefs be compared to religous dogma?
« Reply #1 on: 01/07/2016 07:11:13 »
From personal experience, yes. Science is comparable to religion as a belief system. When I was younger I believed science was God-like, but later opened up my mind to some religion. I noticed similar trends in behaviour between scientists and preachers. Both using sources or processes of knowledge to explain things, the former using more present day material and the latter using older material. Both can be extremely beneficial and destructive imo.
 

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Re: Can scientific beliefs be compared to religous dogma?
« Reply #2 on: 01/07/2016 11:40:00 »
I write books and produce both religious theories and scientific theories. Religions are theories of God and the Universe that comes from the inner minds of the various prophets. They use logic and reason to produce followers. Later they use force to insure obedience to their beliefs.
  Scientific theories come from the inner minds of the various scientific prophets. They use logic and reason and attempt to relate their beliefs with actual measurements.  In general no force is used but over time they become part of the belief system of their followers. Then it becomes like religious dogma.
   
 
 

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Re: Can scientific beliefs be compared to religous dogma?
« Reply #3 on: 01/07/2016 11:43:46 »
Some scientific dogma is a comparison to religious dogma , however there is a lot of science that is not dogma.  People make the mistake of factualising  theory instead of remaining objective.

 
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Re: Can scientific beliefs be compared to religous dogma?
« Reply #4 on: 01/07/2016 12:22:56 »
One example is connected to the statistical assumptions of classical biology as applied to life. It has been known for some time that proteins are bound together with very weak binding forces and can be easily denatured. Proteins are held together with the binding strength equivalence of a few hydrogen bonds. Due to these weak binding forces and the thermal energy in water, classical statistical assumption assume proteins should fold with average folds, governed by statistics. Over 50 years ago, it was observed that proteins actually fold with exact folds not governed by statistics; probability=1.0.

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One is reminded here of the problem of protein folding. As I have pointed out elsewhere (Watterson, 1997), that problem also arises from applying classical theories, since they predict an average, not a unique fold. That these questions remain unsolved still today after 50 years of intense research effort, highlights a two-fold failing of statistical methods: firstly, they did not predict the existence of a stable folded state, and secondly, once given as an experimental fact, they cannot explain it.

The dogma of statistics is so blindly followed and taught in biology, science has been willing to ignore hard reality for over 50 years. One only has consider how many students have been indoctrinated with science misinformation, due to the blind faith in a god of casinos. In this religion, one worships with black boxes and blind folds, to appease a god of chaos and gambling, using math oracles. This religion is old and dates back to before the age of enlightenment.

On the other hand, this religion may not be entirely based on blind religious faith. It may also have a medical explanation. Gambling is very addictive. Any religion of jackpots and lotteries may be very hard to give up, due to the compulsive behavior associated with gambling. If you had a religion centered on alcohol or drugs, the drug addiction itself will make it hard for reason to get through the compulsive actions; physiological faith.

In US, there is a separation of church and state, so maybe the government needs to be consistent and not support any faith based science. It may be healthy for the addiction to confront itself, so it can sober up to get back in graces; tough love.
 

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Re: Can scientific beliefs be compared to religous dogma?
« Reply #5 on: 02/07/2016 11:23:20 »
If you would be a real seeker after truth, you must at least once in your life doubt, as far as possible, all things.

René DesCartes
Discours de la Méthode (1637)

That advice is rarely heard from religious preachers toward their follower. But it could be used for converting purpose, if they are confident with their argument against other religions/denominations.

On the other hand, it is often heard from science teachers. But we can see some science authority figures try to force their views to general audience through unscientific ways, containing logical fallacies such as argument from authority and blinding with science.
 

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Re: Can scientific beliefs be compared to religous dogma?
« Reply #6 on: 03/07/2016 04:59:33 »
One example is connected to the statistical assumptions of classical biology as applied to life. It has been known for some time that proteins are bound together with very weak binding forces and can be easily denatured. Proteins are held together with the binding strength equivalence of a few hydrogen bonds. Due to these weak binding forces and the thermal energy in water, classical statistical assumption assume proteins should fold with average folds, governed by statistics. Over 50 years ago, it was observed that proteins actually fold with exact folds not governed by statistics; probability=1.0.

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One is reminded here of the problem of protein folding. As I have pointed out elsewhere (Watterson, 1997), that problem also arises from applying classical theories, since they predict an average, not a unique fold. That these questions remain unsolved still today after 50 years of intense research effort, highlights a two-fold failing of statistical methods: firstly, they did not predict the existence of a stable folded state, and secondly, once given as an experimental fact, they cannot explain it.

The dogma of statistics is so blindly followed and taught in biology, science has been willing to ignore hard reality for over 50 years. One only has consider how many students have been indoctrinated with science misinformation, due to the blind faith in a god of casinos. In this religion, one worships with black boxes and blind folds, to appease a god of chaos and gambling, using math oracles. This religion is old and dates back to before the age of enlightenment.

On the other hand, this religion may not be entirely based on blind religious faith. It may also have a medical explanation. Gambling is very addictive. Any religion of jackpots and lotteries may be very hard to give up, due to the compulsive behavior associated with gambling. If you had a religion centered on alcohol or drugs, the drug addiction itself will make it hard for reason to get through the compulsive actions; physiological faith.

In US, there is a separation of church and state, so maybe the government needs to be consistent and not support any faith based science. It may be healthy for the addiction to confront itself, so it can sober up to get back in graces; tough love.

I really liked this post and could relate to it.

It reminds me of something someone in a lab told me: "Science is like playing the lottery."
 

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