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  We live in a universe which exists and we wonder how it came to be. If it was created by some super entity we then wonder how the entity came to be. All we know is that somehow energy came to be within a volume of space. this energy can oscillate into different universes forever. We may be part of a universe which existed for billion of billions of cycles. Then the information for the first cycle was so long ago that it can never be recovered. We can play mathematical games and turn nothingness into something but we are always left with the unanswered first cause. Any ideas?


 

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  We live in a universe which exists and we wonder how it came to be. If it was created by some super entity we then wonder how the entity came to be. All we know is that somehow energy came to be within a volume of space. this energy can oscillate into different universes forever. We may be part of a universe which existed for billion of billions of cycles. Then the information for the first cycle was so long ago that it can never be recovered. We can play mathematical games and turn nothingness into something but we are always left with the unanswered first cause. Any ideas?

We may never know what started the origin of energy or our spacetime; with that I agree.  What I can assure you of, however, is that it was not a super entity that was responsible.
 

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We may never know what started the origin of energy or our spacetime; with that I agree.  What I can assure you of, however, is that it was not a super entity that was responsible.

  We cannot know that for certain. However that only complicates the problem. However as my theory states, prior to big bang the universe was homogeneous spherical energy flowing into a pinpoint. Thus a super entity could have been a collective mind with all the intelligence we possess. The big bang destroyed the collective mind and the result is individual minds. In the end of the process all the intelligence we generate will again produce a collective entity. Thus for simplicity we go from individual intelligence to collective intelligence and back to individual intelligence. The universe then becomes an intelligence oscillator. This does not answer how we got here but it does answer where we got our intelligence from. It may be possible that some of the prior collective intelligence remained embedded within the universe and  people who seek a higher source of existence can sometimes tap into it. thus we learn from the past and basically man appears over and over again upon every cycle. Thus in this system when we define ourselves by our DNA structure, each of us are eternal in that we will appear billions of times as clones of ourselves over and over again forever. This I am certain of. I will be reborn billions of times in the future upon billions of Earths forever and experience billions of different lives. Yet each clone of me is independent of my present life. So it is a different person yet it will think like me and basically be like me.
 

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We may never know what started the origin of energy or our spacetime; with that I agree.  What I can assure you of, however, is that it was not a super entity that was responsible.

  We cannot know that for certain. However that only complicates the problem. However as my theory states, prior to big bang the universe was homogeneous spherical energy flowing into a pinpoint. Thus a super entity could have been a collective mind with all the intelligence we possess. The big bang destroyed the collective mind and the result is individual minds. In the end of the process all the intelligence we generate will again produce a collective entity. Thus for simplicity we go from individual intelligence to collective intelligence and back to individual intelligence. The universe then becomes an intelligence oscillator. This does not answer how we got here but it does answer where we got our intelligence from. It may be possible that some of the prior collective intelligence remained embedded within the universe and  people who seek a higher source of existence can sometimes tap into it. thus we learn from the past and basically man appears over and over again upon every cycle. Thus in this system when we define ourselves by our DNA structure, each of us are eternal in that we will appear billions of times as clones of ourselves over and over again forever. This I am certain of. I will be reborn billions of times in the future upon billions of Earths forever and experience billions of different lives. Yet each clone of me is independent of my present life. So it is a different person yet it will think like me and basically be like me.

Nah.
 

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Why not? For a cyclical universe, the chain of life will appear over and over again with a certain probability. given billions of galaxies and millions of billions of viable earths, the chain of man will happen over and over again. Then the probability of each of us coming out of the chain of life will be finite. Multiplied by an infinite series of cycles, we are certain to appear forever. Why not?
 

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Nah.
Why not? For a cyclical universe, the chain of life will appear over and over again with a certain probability. given billions of galaxies and millions of billions of viable earths, the chain of man will happen over and over again. Then the probability of each of us coming out of the chain of life will be finite. Multiplied by an infinite series of cycles, we are certain to appear forever. Why not?
It boggles my mind a bit that of all the things you said, that you think my nah was referencing the straightforward concept of a cyclical universe.  I assure you, it was not. 
 

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Why not? For a cyclical universe, the chain of life will appear over and over again with a certain probability. given billions of galaxies and millions of billions of viable earths, the chain of man will happen over and over again. Then the probability of each of us coming out of the chain of life will be finite. Multiplied by an infinite series of cycles, we are certain to appear forever. Why not?
It boggles my mind a bit that of all the things you said, that you think my nah was referencing the straightforward concept of a cyclical universe.  I assure you, it was not.

  As I mentioned recently I have a bipolar mind where I get data from my inner mind which is transferred to my outer mind. So information from my inner mind specifies various things which I study with my outer Engineering type mind. This can drive a sane person insane but this is the way I was born. So I see things differently than others but my outer mind always studies the data which comes in audio/visual and also dreams. I do not like the idea that in one form or another I am eternal. the only comfort is that the other copies of me is not really the me that is typing these words. The same is true of all of us although it is very upsetting and unpleasant to believe that there is a platonic version of me that will always exist. And this has nothing to do with religion, it is just a property of an oscillating universe that  is perpetual. Sorry to trouble your mind but that is the data I got from my inner mind in 1981 and it upset me until recently. I wish I could just die and not worry about coming back into existence but that is my fate and I am afraid the fate of all of us. So at 77 years I have learned to accept it.
 

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