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People who have had ndes are said to have life reviews in which they see and feel every moment of their lives. Now I am going to ask a question here. If, for example, someone has struggled with depression in his/her life, but has completely gotten over it in which he/she can no longer experience it anymore no matter how hard he/she tries to, then how can it be experienced again during a life review? If he/she has completely gotten over his/her depression and can't ever experience it again, then how can those depressive feelings be experienced all over again in a life review?
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Re: Question about near death experiences
« Reply #1 on: 08/07/2016 21:56:48 »
All I can say is my NDE didn't work that way at all, and I don't know any whose had (not to the degrees you're speaking)

And even if you mean when in danger, life passing in front of your eyes sort of thing, even then it's not quite like you describe; it's more just a 'sense' of everything.  You don't actually 'think' all of it, you kinda just 'know' it, sense it.  Hard to explain.

But I'm not even sure I grasp the question anyway, cause depression isn't something you 'try' to feel, or can make yourself feel, it's a feeling brought on by a mix of chemicals and the way they affect your brain, not something conscious.  But I see no reason why in some sort of perceptual 'life review' the sense of what that had been like couldn't be apparent once again. 

Everything we pretty much are comes down to perception, what our brains force us to think or feel in some ways.  Why on earth during something like an NDE, where the brain is messing with your perception in all sorts of powerful ways, couldn't it also bring back the feelings experienced under severe depression?  I for the life of me can't understand why that would be something remarkable at all actually. 

You can't make yourself feel depressed, because it's a chemical mix that causes it to begin with for the most part.  And sadly, our conscious thoughts are so much less our own then we want to admit, and our conscious mind so much less powerful than we want to acknowledge, and so much less so then our subconscious and powers of perception.  So of course you can't really make yourself experience it.  But that doesn't mean your subconscious, or your brain's ability to perceive pretty much anything it wants to, aren't powerful enough to do it easily.
 

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Re: Question about near death experiences
« Reply #2 on: 08/07/2016 22:44:43 »
All I can say is my NDE didn't work that way at all, and I don't know any whose had (not to the degrees you're speaking)

And even if you mean when in danger, life passing in front of your eyes sort of thing, even then it's not quite like you describe; it's more just a 'sense' of everything.  You don't actually 'think' all of it, you kinda just 'know' it, sense it.  Hard to explain.

But I'm not even sure I grasp the question anyway, cause depression isn't something you 'try' to feel, or can make yourself feel, it's a feeling brought on by a mix of chemicals and the way they affect your brain, not something conscious.  But I see no reason why in some sort of perceptual 'life review' the sense of what that had been like couldn't be apparent once again. 

Everything we pretty much are comes down to perception, what our brains force us to think or feel in some ways.  Why on earth during something like an NDE, where the brain is messing with your perception in all sorts of powerful ways, couldn't it also bring back the feelings experienced under severe depression?  I for the life of me can't understand why that would be something remarkable at all actually. 

You can't make yourself feel depressed, because it's a chemical mix that causes it to begin with for the most part.  And sadly, our conscious thoughts are so much less our own then we want to admit, and our conscious mind so much less powerful than we want to acknowledge, and so much less so then our subconscious and powers of perception.  So of course you can't really make yourself experience it.  But that doesn't mean your subconscious, or your brain's ability to perceive pretty much anything it wants to, aren't powerful enough to do it easily.
When, for example, someone has a depressive life crisis, that is the subconscious perceiving something wrong which results in you feeling depressed.  But how can that same subconscious process occur during a person's life review when he/she has completely gotten over the depression from those moments conveyed in that life review?  If he/she has gotten over the depression from those moments (which would mean his/her subconscious mind no longer perceives those moments as problems anymore), then why would his/her subconscious mind perceive those same moments in the life review as problems again and make him/her feel depressed all over again?
 

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Re: Question about near death experiences
« Reply #3 on: 08/07/2016 23:14:37 »
That's not what depression is.  Most often it's chemical driven and what those chemicals do to mood and perception. And again,ndes are all perception driven anyway, so there's zero reason why it couldn't recall the way things had been perceived during those times.  I'm actually a bit confused why you find it would be so challenging for the brain to do when the brain is exponentially more powerful than what would be required to enable that to happen.  At any given time your mood can become anything, and you can flash back to sensing the way you felt at any point in your life, no nde required. The brain and its power to force you to perceive whatever it wants, or chemical composition in your blood and the way that alters that perception, are all more than capable at any given time.  It's not a hard thing for the brain to do at all. 
 

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Re: Question about near death experiences
« Reply #4 on: 08/07/2016 23:52:48 »
That's not what depression is.  Most often it's chemical driven and what those chemicals do to mood and perception. And again,ndes are all perception driven anyway, so there's zero reason why it couldn't recall the way things had been perceived during those times.  I'm actually a bit confused why you find it would be so challenging for the brain to do when the brain is exponentially more powerful than what would be required to enable that to happen.  At any given time your mood can become anything, and you can flash back to sensing the way you felt at any point in your life, no nde required. The brain and its power to force you to perceive whatever it wants, or chemical composition in your blood and the way that alters that perception, are all more than capable at any given time.  It's not a hard thing for the brain to do at all.
When I struggled with depression, it was due to bad moments in my life.  It wasn't due to something wrong with the chemicals in my brain.  Also, in order to recall certain feelings/emotions, the brain would have to have an emotional memory.  For example, when I listen to a certain song, that triggers feelings from the past.  This is because my brain has that emotional memory.  But if someone has struggled with depression and has gotten over it completely and that feeling can no longer be triggered anymore, then there is no more emotional memory of that experience which means it shouldn't be experienced ever again.

If it is experienced again for some brief moment, then that emotional memory is still there.  But not to the degree that it was when the person first struggled with his/her depressive life crisis.  Over time as the depression passes, that emotional memory goes away.  If there are no more emotional memories of depression in your life, then there is no reason why those moments of depression you had in the past should be experienced all over again during a hellish nde or a life review.

In regards to flashbacks such as what people with temporal lobe epilepsy experience, wouldn't that also require an emotional memory to bring back that feeling?  If there is no more emotional memory, then all that should be experienced from that flashback is just the familiar sensations (sights and sounds) from that moment, but not the emotions from that given moment such as despair, sadness, rage, etc.
 

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Re: Question about near death experiences
« Reply #5 on: 09/07/2016 00:13:48 »
Okie dokie.  You're right.  You know everything.  Have a nice day. 
 

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Re: Question about near death experiences
« Reply #6 on: 09/07/2016 00:22:40 »
Okie dokie.  You're right.  You know everything.  Have a nice day.
No, I do not admit that I know everything.  Those are just my sentiments.  Go ahead and argue against them if you disagree.
 

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Re: Question about near death experiences
« Reply #7 on: 09/07/2016 13:15:33 »
People who have had ndes are said to have life reviews in which they see and feel every moment of their lives.
People are said to have all kinds of experiences, but that doesn't mean they're true. It may be just a reinterpretation of folklore (e.g. 'your life flashes before your eyes just before you die'); it may be that some early memories are triggered and lead to the impression that it's a 'life review'; or it may be that those people just feel as if they've had a 'life review'. What seems most unlikely is that they actually experience every moment of their lives; how would they know that to be the case, and how would they remember that it really was every moment when they come round? Can they describe every moment afterwards?
 

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Re: Question about near death experiences
« Reply #8 on: 09/07/2016 14:35:19 »
From my own experiences with my bipolar mind, I have my normal outer mind and an inner mind. Most likely everyone does as well. However if I raise myself to a manic state I get communication between my outer mind and my inner mind. I never get depressed but go from normal to a manic mind and back again to normal if I burn up energy by walking off my surplus energy.
   A near death experience would bring a person's outer mind in communication with his or her inner mind. Whatever his inner mind perceives he will experience. I believe that the inner mind is sensitive to the mind of others and picks up some data from others. Yet although I have experienced such things in general it takes a bipolar or schizophrenic mind to have these abilities.
   So although you may have overcome your depression long ago, your inner mind still contains the memory of this and you will feel some of this in the time near death where the outer mind reaches out for existence and encounters the inner mind. A lot of people experience religious experiences which are a big part of the inner mind.
 

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Re: Question about near death experiences
« Reply #9 on: 10/07/2016 01:15:14 »
I am also going to ask something else here.  Think of the most horrifying dream you had and how horrible that felt.  The negative feelings/emotions in our nightmares tend to be far more worse than the ones we have when we are awake.  The ones we have in our nightmares are like abnormal mental states that we just simply don't experience in our waking lives.
 
Now during ndes, people say they are conscious.  That it is more real than real.  So does the fact that they are conscious make the negative feelings/emotions they experience during their ndes not as bad?  Or are they just as bad as they are in our nightmares?  Are they experiencing their negative feelings/emotions just as they would in their nightmares, or are they experiencing them normally like when we are awake?
 

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« Reply #10 on: 20/07/2016 13:19:11 »
I am also going to ask something else here.  Think of the most horrifying dream you had and how horrible that felt.  The negative feelings/emotions in our nightmares tend to be far more worse than the ones we have when we are awake.  The ones we have in our nightmares are like abnormal mental states that we just simply don't experience in our waking lives.
 
Now during ndes, people say they are conscious.  That it is more real than real.  So does the fact that they are conscious make the negative feelings/emotions they experience during their ndes not as bad?  Or are they just as bad as they are in our nightmares?  Are they experiencing their negative feelings/emotions just as they would in their nightmares, or are they experiencing them normally like when we are awake?
   I can only go from my own experiences. The most upsetting dream was when I saw the souls of man flowing toward the light at the center of the Earth. There they were absorbed unto the collective. I was only the observer but at the time being collectivized into the light of the natural God was frightening. Yet that is what many people see. It took a long time to recover from that dream. In the end the process is not horrible but a loving transisition from an individual soul to a collective soul of the Earth God.
   The experience of the awake dreams or hallucinations involved intense fright and fear. Our eyes normally see outward. Yet during these experiences we lose control of our vision. We are lost in a different world. The vision is intensely powerful with powerful colors which we do not normally see with our regular vision. The audio is strong. There is great fear that we will not be able to recover to a normal state, that we will be lost in a world of dreams. It is fearful and hopeless.
  When driving things would repeat over and over again. fortunately I got split images so that part of my vision could see the road and part of my vision could see the information. Thus I was tortured by the visions or awake dreams but I was not destroyed.
  Anyway that was a long time ago and fortunately I have not experienced such things lately. But it took over 20 years to recover from the experiences.
 

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« Reply #11 on: 20/07/2016 15:54:16 »
I am also going to ask something else here.  Think of the most horrifying dream you had and how horrible that felt.  The negative feelings/emotions in our nightmares tend to be far more worse than the ones we have when we are awake.  The ones we have in our nightmares are like abnormal mental states that we just simply don't experience in our waking lives.
 
Now during ndes, people say they are conscious.  That it is more real than real.  So does the fact that they are conscious make the negative feelings/emotions they experience during their ndes not as bad?  Or are they just as bad as they are in our nightmares?  Are they experiencing their negative feelings/emotions just as they would in their nightmares, or are they experiencing them normally like when we are awake?
   I can only go from my own experiences. The most upsetting dream was when I saw the souls of man flowing toward the light at the center of the Earth. There they were absorbed unto the collective. I was only the observer but at the time being collectivized into the light of the natural God was frightening. Yet that is what many people see. It took a long time to recover from that dream. In the end the process is not horrible but a loving transisition from an individual soul to a collective soul of the Earth God.
   The experience of the awake dreams or hallucinations involved intense fright and fear. Our eyes normally see outward. Yet during these experiences we lose control of our vision. We are lost in a different world. The vision is intensely powerful with powerful colors which we do not normally see with our regular vision. The audio is strong. There is great fear that we will not be able to recover to a normal state, that we will be lost in a world of dreams. It is fearful and hopeless.
  When driving things would repeat over and over again. fortunately I got split images so that part of my vision could see the road and part of my vision could see the information. Thus I was tortured by the visions or awake dreams but I was not destroyed.
  Anyway that was a long time ago and fortunately I have not experienced such things lately. But it took over 20 years to recover from the experiences.

Knowing that there's no god and no soul might help keep one grounded in a similar situation.  Kinda like how in the movies last night when my son was a bit scared, I kept telling him to rationalize and remind himself that none of it was real...
 

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Re: Question about near death experiences
« Reply #12 on: 20/07/2016 20:42:48 »

Knowing that there's no god and no soul might help keep one grounded in a similar situation.  Kinda like how in the movies last night when my son was a bit scared, I kept telling him to rationalize and remind himself that none of it was real...
There is no way to know there is no God and no soul. You believe that is true however billions of other people believe that their is a God and they have a soul. People look at the Bible and Gospels and the religions of man and see that they make little sense. So they destroy the religions of man which is natural for many. Yet all they really prove is that the religions of man have a low probability of truth. Yet that does not prove that God does not exist. It seems to prove that an all powerful God does not exist. However a God that is memory within the universe has credibility. We then end up with a weak God embedded within the universe. And thus in that case we still have a God but this God did not make the universe but is a property of the universe. there is no way to determine that this statement is not true. The religions may fall by the wayside but the concept of God can endure forever. Now you can argue that the concept of hell is mere fear. I have no such concept. It is unethical and fails to serve any real purpose. Thus the horrors of what religions preach tend to be false. I will agree to that. Yet my God exists. It is just a different God which to me is scientific reality.
 

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I have experienced intense hopelessness (depression) in my nightmares.  It was a completely abnormal experience.  It is nothing that I would experience here in the waking world.  There is no words to describe how much hell it was. 

If I ever have a hellish near death experience or a life review, then can those same exact experiences be experienced again even though I am completely over them?  Knowing this possibility has taken my life away and has made me suicidal.  You don't realize just how horrible that depression was that I experienced in my nightmares.

Knowing that I could experience it all over again during a near death experience has completely troubled and traumatized me.  I am not at peace.  I am ok with reexperiencing the moments of depression I had in my waking life, but not the ones during my nightmares as those are the absolute worst ones.

So my vital question here is, are the negative emotions experienced during an nde just as bad as they are in nightmares?  Or are they only just as bad as they are in the waking world?  I am hoping that they are only as bad as they are in the waking world because this would mean that I would not be able to experience the level of depression I experienced in my nightmares.

 

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