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An analysis of inverted time thingy
« on: 20/07/2016 21:17:56 »
Let relativistic gamma be redefined as √1-v2/c2. When applied to mass this will mean that the mass reduces as velocity increases. Time will speed up and length will extend. This has significant consequences that run counter to observation.


 

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Re: An analysis of inverted time thingy
« Reply #1 on: 20/07/2016 22:08:58 »
Let relativistic gamma be redefined as √1-v2/c2. When applied to mass this will mean that the mass reduces as velocity increases. Time will speed up and length will extend. This has significant consequences that run counter to observation.

In case anyone gets the wrong impression, inverting the gamma has got nothing to do with my theory of inverted time.

Couldn't you have called it "an analysis of the inverted gamma thingy" Jeff?  Inverted time is a bit close to my theory...

(I do realise I did rather highjack your other thread though, so I'll take opportunity to apologise)
 

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Re: An analysis of inverted time thingy
« Reply #2 on: 20/07/2016 23:36:02 »
Let pi be redefined as the ratio diameter/circumference. All sorts of nonsense happens and you have to rewrite all your textbooks. Why bother?
« Last Edit: 20/07/2016 23:38:40 by alancalverd »
 

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Re: An analysis of inverted time thingy
« Reply #3 on: 21/07/2016 00:27:11 »
Let pi be redefined as the ratio diameter/circumference. All sorts of nonsense happens and you have to rewrite all your textbooks. Why bother?

Could you be a bit more imprecise please I simply can't understand what you are implying about the relationship to my inverted doo dah.
 

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Re: An analysis of inverted time thingy
« Reply #4 on: 21/07/2016 00:35:37 »
Simply redefining a number does not alter physics, and I can see no reason to invent an equation that describes something that you admit doesn't happen. Best not to discuss relativity after the pubs close.
 

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Re: An analysis of inverted time thingy
« Reply #5 on: 21/07/2016 00:48:38 »
I do not drink. I can assure you I am quite sober. I am inverting gamma so that I can demonstrate the only way that timey's hypothesis could be formulated. I believe she disagrees. If it is too much of an exertion to participate in both threads I understand completely. I would put a smiley here but someone appears to have stolen them.
 

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Re: An analysis of inverted time thingy
« Reply #6 on: 21/07/2016 04:59:30 »
I do not drink. I can assure you I am quite sober. I am inverting gamma so that I can demonstrate the only way that timey's hypothesis could be formulated. I believe she disagrees. If it is too much of an exertion to participate in both threads I understand completely. I would put a smiley here but someone appears to have stolen them.

Jeff - I realise that you are still sporting stabilisers on that newly found sense of humour of yours, a most welcome addition to your repertoire... but you should be aware that mockery is defined by a whole other pigeon hole of its own.
 

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Re: An analysis of inverted time thingy
« Reply #7 on: 21/07/2016 07:56:19 »
Who said anything about you drinking, Jeff?

Me, I've shifted a few, and if you're looking to settle an argument, I'll see you in the car park. Stands to reason, dunnit, "forum" - that's Latin for car park, innit? Symposium - "drinking together". So it's me and the Classics prof against you and Timey. Last one standing gets a Nobel prize and six months for GIH. 

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Re: An analysis of inverted time thingy
« Reply #8 on: 21/07/2016 08:03:09 »
I mocketh not. Certainly not in car parks with third rate philosophers. Your derivation of pi was fantastic BTW Alan. I may add it to my whatchamacallit.
 

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Re: An analysis of inverted time thingy
« Reply #9 on: 21/07/2016 08:10:28 »
I am considering changing my name to Thecube. It has a nice ring to it.
 

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Re: An analysis of inverted time thingy
« Reply #10 on: 21/07/2016 13:00:28 »
I am considering changing my name to Thecube. It has a nice ring to it.

Why?  What is the relevance?   And who is this third rate philosopher you deem to mention?
 

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Re: An analysis of inverted time thingy
« Reply #11 on: 21/07/2016 17:38:31 »
...and after many adventures she came into the presence of the old Zen master. Kneeling before him she askled the queston that had puzzled not only her, but all those seekers of scientific wisdom who had gone before, as she was well accustomed to standing on the shoulders of giants.

"O wise one, repository of all knowledge of the mysteries of the universe, please tell your humble and ignorant supplicant, what is the relevance?"

And he, being descended for a thousand generations of the Essex tribe, replied "Relevance???? Are you takin the piss or wot???"
 

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Re: An analysis of inverted time thingy
« Reply #12 on: 21/07/2016 18:36:57 »
I am considering changing my name to Thecube. It has a nice ring to it.

Why?  What is the relevance?   And who is this third rate philosopher you deem to mention?

I find most philosophers are third rate. I appreciate cubism much more. It is 3 dimensional in a two dimensional space.
 

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Re: An analysis of inverted time thingy
« Reply #13 on: 21/07/2016 20:41:34 »
Let x = 0. See if any philosopher can get out of that one!
 

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Re: An analysis of inverted time thingy
« Reply #14 on: 21/07/2016 21:50:20 »
Let x = 0. See if any philosopher can get out of that one!

Let implies allow. We allow x to assume a value of zero. This also implies that we can prevent x from assuming a zero value. This however does not imply that x can be anything other than zero. If x is always zero then we have no ability to prevent it from assuming a value it already has. Mathematics moves in mysterious ways.
 

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Re: An analysis of inverted time thingy
« Reply #15 on: 21/07/2016 23:43:43 »
In vino veritas.

The morning after my 21st birthday, my then girlfriend's mother prodded a heap of hung-over human detritus lying on her sitting room floor and said "you let the fire go out". To which one of them replied "we had no authority to prevent it."

When the Wimbledon umpire says "play a let", does he not realise that he has belittled the axiomatic foundation of syllogistic hermeneutics?  The existential istigheit of philosophy is that it is too important to be left to amateurs or considered a game.

Bullshit apart, what you just said is 180 degrees wrong! When we say "let x = 0" we are actually assigning an absolute value that is entirely under our control. Nothing to do with your woolly British  "allowing", this is an EU Directive that must be obeyed regardless of the circumstances or consequences. If this makes the mass of the projectile infinite, the British taxpayer will just have to fork out for more gunpowder.
 

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Re: An analysis of inverted time thingy
« Reply #16 on: 22/07/2016 00:16:18 »
In vino veritas.

The morning after my 21st birthday, my then girlfriend's mother prodded a heap of hung-over human detritus lying on her sitting room floor and said "you let the fire go out". To which one of them replied "we had no authority to prevent it."

When the Wimbledon umpire says "play a let", does he not realise that he has belittled the axiomatic foundation of syllogistic hermeneutics?  The existential istigheit of philosophy is that it is too important to be left to amateurs or considered a game.

Bullshit apart, what you just said is 180 degrees wrong! When we say "let x = 0" we are actually assigning an absolute value that is entirely under our control. Nothing to do with your woolly British  "allowing", this is an EU Directive that must be obeyed regardless of the circumstances or consequences. If this makes the mass of the projectile infinite, the British taxpayer will just have to fork out for more gunpowder.

‎qui audet adipiscitur. Let x = y. So now tell me why. And there a pun he left them wondering.
 

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