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Re: Does spin plus aether equal matter?
« Reply #50 on: 12/09/2016 15:32:14 »

"pushed to the centre where it is forced to rotate" Thus, we are in total agreement that spin is the ultimate action of the universe. Thanks for confirming my hypothesis.
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You keep doing that, that does not confirm spin is the ultimate action of the Universe although spin is a key thing of the Universe , it is not the ultimate. Other actions occur before spin.

Spin is the logical end game of the universe. There is no other way for the universe to save energy over a long period of time. Think of the billions of years that atoms spend not doing anything and then suddenly releasing energy. To do this they must have an internal spin mechanism for storing large amounts of energy. Thus, they must spin at the speed of light in order to store enough energy to power the universe. Thus, spin is a logical certainty because there are no other logical explanations which fit all the required criteria. Spin energy is the missing link that all the great scientists of the past have overlooked. Spin energy explains, gravity, light, mass, space and everything else in a logical and coherent order. These three spin states create a simple order and interlocking characteristics which are not present using the current theories.
 
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Re: Does spin plus aether equal matter?
« Reply #51 on: 12/09/2016 15:46:23 »

"pushed to the centre where it is forced to rotate" Thus, we are in total agreement that spin is the ultimate action of the universe. Thanks for confirming my hypothesis.
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You keep doing that, that does not confirm spin is the ultimate action of the Universe although spin is a key thing of the Universe , it is not the ultimate. Other actions occur before spin.

Spin is the logical end game of the universe. There is no other way for the universe to save energy over a long period of time. Think of the billions of years that atoms spend not doing anything and then suddenly releasing energy. To do this they must have an internal spin mechanism for storing large amounts of energy. Thus, they must spin at the speed of light in order to store enough energy to power the universe. Thus, spin is a logical certainty because there are no other logical explanations which fit all the required criteria. Spin energy is the missing link that all the great scientists of the past have overlooked. Spin energy explains, gravity, light, mass, space and everything else in a logical and coherent order. These three spin states create a simple order and interlocking characteristics which are not present using the current theories.

End game?  I thought you said it was the start?

Spin is a product of process and acting forces.

Let me paint you a new picture to consider.

Imagine a void with a single stationary particle or stationary entity, there is no mechanism/force to give the particle any sort of motion.

We then a short length away introduce a second stationary particle or entity, the second particle will then have affect on the first particle/entity, the particles , entity attracted to each other but never allowed to touch, the particles/entities rotate around each other.

It always takes two to tango.





 

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Re: Does spin plus aether equal matter?
« Reply #52 on: 12/09/2016 16:09:37 »

End game?  I thought you said it was the start?

Spin is a product of process and acting forces.

Let me paint you a new picture to consider.

Imagine a void with a single stationary particle or stationary entity, there is no mechanism/force to give the particle any sort of motion.

We then a short length away introduce a second stationary particle or entity, the second particle will then have affect on the first particle/entity, the particles , entity attracted to each other but never allowed to touch, the particles/entities rotate around each other.

It always takes two to tango.

Why are they attracted to one-another? Your theory doesn't have a logical story line. One thing must always lead to another thing in a logical sequence of events and you can't use magic to fill in any voids or spaces. My theory is logical in all respects and all the parts fit together like a jigsaw puzzle with no empty spaces in between. Left spin - Right spin and Black hole attractor is all the universe is made of.
 

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Re: Does spin plus aether equal matter?
« Reply #53 on: 12/09/2016 16:22:45 »

End game?  I thought you said it was the start?

Spin is a product of process and acting forces.

Let me paint you a new picture to consider.

Imagine a void with a single stationary particle or stationary entity, there is no mechanism/force to give the particle any sort of motion.

We then a short length away introduce a second stationary particle or entity, the second particle will then have affect on the first particle/entity, the particles , entity attracted to each other but never allowed to touch, the particles/entities rotate around each other.

It always takes two to tango.

Why are they attracted to one-another? Your theory doesn't have a logical story line. One thing must always lead to another thing in a logical sequence of events and you can't use magic to fill in any voids or spaces. My theory is logical in all respects and all the parts fit together like a jigsaw puzzle with no empty spaces in between. Left spin - Right spin and Black hole attractor is all the universe is made of.

I don't know everything my friend, all's I can say is a Law of motion, I am not sure if this is new,

Law-For any motion to occur there must be at least two ''participants''.

participant
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plural noun: participants
a person who takes part in something.

Edit - an entity that takes part in something

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edit -  a thing with distinct and independent existence that takes part in something

I am basing this assumption on that a single ''dot'' in a void has no mechanism for motion.
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Re: Does spin plus aether equal matter?
« Reply #54 on: 14/09/2016 16:55:05 »

I am basing this assumption on that a single ''dot'' in a void has no mechanism for motion.

You are assuming that the universe has a size limit but there are no size limits to the universe. The universe extents forever outwards and forever inwards. Thus, what you call a single dot may contain an entire universe within itself. The universe works like Photoshop, in that, there are invisible layers which can influence other layers depending on their instructions or intrinsic programming.
 

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Re: Does spin plus aether equal matter?
« Reply #55 on: 15/09/2016 13:51:26 »
"You are assuming that the universe has a size limit but there are no size limits to the universe. The universe extents forever outwards and forever inwards. Thus, what you call a single dot may contain an entire universe within itself. The universe works like Photoshop, in that, there are invisible layers which can influence other layers depending on their instructions or intrinsic programming."

You have a good logical mind
 

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Re: Does spin plus aether equal matter?
« Reply #56 on: 16/09/2016 02:06:57 »

End game?  I thought you said it was the start?

Spin is a product of process and acting forces.

Let me paint you a new picture to consider.

Imagine a void with a single stationary particle or stationary entity, there is no mechanism/force to give the particle any sort of motion.

We then a short length away introduce a second stationary particle or entity, the second particle will then have affect on the first particle/entity, the particles , entity attracted to each other but never allowed to touch, the particles/entities rotate around each other.

It always takes two to tango.

Why are they attracted to one-another? Your theory doesn't have a logical story line. One thing must always lead to another thing in a logical sequence of events and you can't use magic to fill in any voids or spaces. My theory is logical in all respects and all the parts fit together like a jigsaw puzzle with no empty spaces in between. Left spin - Right spin and Black hole attractor is all the universe is made of.

 Perhaps the awnser lies into not try to consider the particles point of view, let's agree onto ignore such probabilities as charges...
 what doe we know? We have two particles only, we have a medium that was static "on it's whole" as long only one particle was presented, it theoricaly had a only center for pressure...
 Also the whole medium had a high density and temperature, probably the two factors gave born to the particle we introduce on the scenario, maybe not, the fact is, both are now interacting, not coexisting on the same place at the same time. The particle is occuping place on the medium, for this one could presume that the presence of the particle is pushing back the medium by its very existence, independantly of charges, it is physicaly there...

 The medium is static on its whole, homogeneous, but static doesn't mean that something is stoped, only stopped in comparison to something else, nothing can be static on its own existence... And we're assuming that the medium no matter its size is selecting the existence of the particle as a center, it is resonating on it's own due the presence of the particle, assume that the particle is static when in comparison to the medium, but when both are interacting, as on the example, the medium and particle add momentum and share everything, one need the other to it, so both of them aren't static in comparison to eachother anymore... At this point there is no spin, only existence, we can advance to accept such existence as causing dilatation, expansion and compression, from each point of view...

 Now one introduce a secund particle, one will seem to be "atracted" by the other, we will try to atest that is due charges, and maybe it is but lets ignore the particles properties for a moment and focus on the medium...
 As long as there was only one particle, the medium was focused only on one center of presure, it was condening the particle to act and be as a sphere, rotation of the particle itself was also probably null. At the moment the secunt particle came to exist, the whole medium, have just found another center of presure, as the original one, we wouldnt be able to see with nacked eyes, but there was waves focused on the first particles, the presence of the secund one, disrupted those waves by start to create its own fluctuations due its presence, and supposing that the particles where of the same type, they would create equal waves...

 What I eman is that like two bubbles of gas under a liquid, one that has not limits nor surfaces, only be, the gas bubble would remain static, adding a secund one, both of them would be recieving the whole density of the lake over themselves, but the lake, and the bubble are not the same think, so they can't share the same place, the lake is compressing the bubble constantly, the bubble will achieve a point that it will start to expand back towards the pressure it is recieving...
  If both particles come to be compressed homogenously nothing would happen, but the precense of two particles sharing the same lake, will force not the particles to be atracted to each other, but the waves they are producing would start to interact one with the other, the lake(medium) would inevitable set the path for both particles to move toward eachother, not the particles, the medium does not know what they are, simple that they are there, something is there ocupy space, the fluctuations of anything, this case particles, are interacting and unbalancing each other...
  Not the two particles cannot also fuse one with the other, by the same principle above, compression of the whole individualy over them, they will start to spin not because of charge, but caught one on the other fluctuation, see?

 Maybe is the case that the "whole medium" is trying once again and constantly to re-designate a static center of presure, but now the interaction between two particles that where set in motion by eachother presence and are now sppining, will onyl increase the sppining, a center of compression is no longer an option but the medium keeps trying, as more as it tries more speed the two particles will recieve from the medium, as faster the sppin occurs more certan that the two particles will not be able to fuse, not even stop, they are already sppining and nothing will change...

 At some point, since there is motion, the two particles will be interpreted as the unique center of compression, there gravity will be born, local gravity... The motion will increase along with the spining, a greather area of the medium will start to be affected by this motion, causing dilatation of it, lowering its own density, because the spining on this binary center is being able to push back, expand the own medium... Consider that outside the reach of the spin the density of the medium is returning to its normal, and the whole "galaxy" is being compressed by the universe from outside in, and the spining of the black hole is dealing with the density of the medium using it's own speed...

 Its not like a statical universe or aether, the universe outside the galaxy and inside are of the same type, are the same thing, but as long as the black hole is spining each time the whole universe try to force, to imposse its static center of compresion on the blackhole for this penetrating the edge of the galaxies, at this very moment it is caught on the acceleration, deliniating the galaxy shape, not as a statical one, but as a invisible eliptical, spiral, spheric shape, depending only on the type and power of the black hole at the center....

 Now of corse consider that a much bigger body, we call greath atractor, is also submiting the whole galaxies presented on it's own spiral disk to the same process and so own and own, maybe even beyond the great atractor, the same thing only increassing in scale, with the smalest as being the atom...

 All this for consider that the two particles are not atracting one towards the other due charges or properties of its own, but isntead being pushed agains the other by the medium for simple being presented there, between the medium, not coexisting on the same place, instead the medium compressing the particle with it's whole density, forcing it to keep it self as it it and not as energy, and also the interaction of many of those particles, disruption one another, proportional to their individual tyes, one being pushed against the other, but as for the individual pressure, never being able to join one with the other, always trying to joing different types of particles for being feeling different sorts of vibrations, not on themselves due charges, but vibrations on the medium...

 All this would only be possible in a scenario were everything is being oriented, the universe does not seems to be cause we can't feel the dilatations in our scale, seems to be a static place, but as for local the orientation we are folowing is the one of the greath atractor, so as for limit of our local gravity we gave the own earth as it is, as for system earth has the sun, as for the sun has another start until it reaches the blackhole at the center, and the black hole at the center the great atractor, so since the big bang, motion started and everything has a point of reference....

 If something cannot atract something else, it must be being pushed by something else...
 

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Re: Does spin plus aether equal matter?
« Reply #57 on: 16/09/2016 02:17:37 »

 If something cannot attract something else, it must be being pushed by something else...

The universe can only push, it can't pull. Pulling requires magic, and the universe doesn't do magic. The universe is pure logic. Only humans are illogical. Thus, if the universe doesn't make any sense its only because the humans that are thinking about it are illogical in their methods of interpretation of the universe's clues and messages.
 
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Re: Does spin plus aether equal matter?
« Reply #58 on: 18/09/2016 23:24:39 »
My theory is based on logic and observation.
Really?
Shaver plugs have 2 pins, 3 phase plugs have 4
for a sphere I can think of at least 9 movements, not counting movement through space
Don't understand the cogs bit, that's only 2 directions!

My theory requires a little common sense. The basic concept of positive, negative and neutral is all pervasive throughout nature and you can't discount its importance. Electricity is a positive negative and neutral force regardless of how many pins there are. Note - 99% of all plugs have 3 pins.
  To say that the universe is made up of three electrical entities, positive,negative, and neutral (bipolar) is excellent. Then you can get a huge assortment of various combinations or percentages of these three things. Then you want to add spin which is angular momentum. That is good. But you are lacking linear momentum and one more less obvious momentum is spherical momentum.  then you have  three things for each polarity giving you nine combinations. One you add various amounts of each thing you have an infinity of different things. The basic structure of the universe is very simple but once we add  these nine things in various combinations and percentages, you need the scientists to understand how things work. I agree that the basic sub structure of the universe is very simple but once you add all the sub structures together you get a 747 airplane which requires tremendous scientific and engineering ability to produce.
 

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Re: Does spin plus aether equal matter?
« Reply #59 on: 28/09/2016 01:19:44 »
The universe is a simple place which can be explained in a very simple manner using spin as the basic unit of activity which the universe is based. I came to this conclusion by observing that galaxies spin, planets spin, suns spin and that atoms must spin also. The universe is divided into fractal dimensions, like a series of Russian dolls. These dimensions extend to infinity both outwards and inwards directions forever.
The universe is made of only one basic sub-atomic particle. This particle has 3 states - left spin (clockwise), right spin (anti-clockwise) and no spin (black-hole). The left and right spin could be interpreted as positive and negative, while the no spin particle could be interpreted as a black –hole or neutron.
These 3 forms make up space and matter. Space is made of alternate left and right spin aether particles which I would call ‘ethons’. The no spin ethon forms the centre of all matter and atoms (neutrons). Neutrons could be regarded as black holes which attract aether particles into rotation similar to how planets rotate around a sun. Aether particles spin at the speed of light.
The speed of light is a dimensional signature of the sub-atomic world. In the sub-atomic world, things happen very fast and don’t obey our laws of time and space. Light is a product of the sub-atomic world and travels at light speed because the ethons are naturally rotating at this speed and are thus conveyed like a conveyor belt. The ethons in space are not attached. They only engage one-another when light passes or they are united by a no spin ethon or neutron. When light passes through aether the ethons engage, as do the cogs in a clock or watch and cause the wave to move at the speed of light. Thus, light is two dimensional. It has both spin and wave energy.
The universe is energy rich. Aether particles spin at the speed of light. When 2 aether particles approach a large body like a sun, they are pushed together and stop spinning. This releases their energy. Thus – E=MC squared.
Using this concept the forces of the universe can be unified. Thus, spin becomes the common denominator which unites matter, light, electricity, gravity, weak and strong nuclear forces.

I would doubt spinning particles are causing much of anything, if they are even spinning. Science was wrapped up pretty much in the sixties both being finished as a perfected tool, and then being wrapped up by man made laws prohibiting its study in schools. 

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Re: Does spin plus aether equal matter?
« Reply #60 on: 12/10/2016 13:04:09 »
There are some true facts about spinning point particles but I have a different opinion.
You can build a  virtual world made of particles that don't spin on their own axis. Only add mass and gravity and they will start spinning around each other. However it doesn't mean particles don't spin in reality. It only means it is possible without spin. Plus particles like electrons show a behaviour as if they spin.

 I am investigating the possibility that space itself is a sort of aether. It seems to me that it has some elasticity, it can contract and dilate. But acording to GR spacetime actually does that. Every point in space, I suspect, has some properties. Mass might not be a property but only a different spacetime density.
When we look at light we see that magnetic field has a orientation. It means it can be any value, so it can be rotated. However it keeps its orientation while traveling. On the other hand, the electric field can have a different phase (circular
Polarization) and creates a twisting effect, but orientation doesn't change.
Space points can be seen as particles that don't move too much but only to allow dilation or contraction, like a perfect elastic skin.
The properties don't move from one point to another,  but the values  creating waves.
Electrons around atoms can bee seen as stationary waves. Every space point has a charge property. The charge creates electric field, which is simply values of charge  of each point spreading out. But the values spread out like pulling a certain amount, an infinitely long, perfect elastic band at speed c.
The quarks in an proton can be seen as waves of values spinning around each other.

I need to investigate how magnetic and electric field interract with each other and still be consistent with relativity, in this context.

Any wave needs fairly stationary positions  each one linked by the surrouning ones by a force inversely proportional  with the distance between them. I can't think of another possibility.
In our world, these points have a fixed number of overlaping and interacting properties.

These are only personal ideas/speculations. That's all.
 

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