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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #125 on: 24/09/2016 13:16:00 »
Pointing out that your "reference"  "the love boat" is a made-up story is not dodging, evasion or whatever.
Not addressing the fact that doctors  (and others) who are not drinking or eating to excess, also get sick is evasion.

As for your 6 questions- why should I even bother to address them.
The first  couple don't even make sense.
Why assume the virus has to "go" somewhere?
" There is no description of what part of the body this is."
What body part are you talking about?

"There are no distinguishing features which tell us that these are HIV viruses."
Yes there is- they were cultured  + DNA typed.

"How can you distinguish or know that a virus is budding or not budding?"

You seem not to have noticed that was already answered Here's Exothermic's reply again for you
""Virion morphogenesis can be divided into three stages: assembly, wherein the virion is created and essential components are packaged; budding, wherein the virion crosses the plasma membrane and obtains its lipid envelope; and maturation, wherein the virion changes structure and becomes infectious." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3385941/"

"How can something that requires the internal mechanisms of a cell to grow; suddenly grow, outside of a cell environment?"
It doesn't.
Nobody said it did.
That's another lie you made up.

"There are no exterior receptor nodules which are apparent in the text (digital) diagrams."
That's because they are very small- which is obvious if you actually learn about them.
 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #126 on: 24/09/2016 13:19:24 »
By the way, I think this finally nails your naive idea that it's caused by modern unhealthy lifestyle choices.

http://www.smdailyjournal.com/articles/lnews/2016-07-29/norovirus-outbreak-hits-sisters-of-mercy/1776425165805.html
 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #127 on: 25/09/2016 02:42:10 »
Pointing out that your "reference"  "the love boat" is a made-up story is not dodging, evasion or whatever.
Not addressing the fact that doctors  (and others) who are not drinking or eating to excess, also get sick is evasion.

The Love Boat TV series is based on real life confessions of cruise liner crew who submit stories about things that they have witnessed and seen. It is not entirely fantasy. There are plenty of elements of truth which the series reveals about what goes on behind the scenes on a typical cruise liner.

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As for your 6 questions- why should I even bother to address them.

I can understand your reluctance to want to answer the questions because they show the illogical nature of viral theory. Note - There are no proper answers to these questions because I already know there are no viruses. Thus, any answers that you come up with will have to be completely made up nonsense and scientific fraud. But, I can see that you have been brainwashed by the system into accepting there existence. Note - To become a chemist, you must accept a large volume of nonsense science to pass the exams.

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The first  couple don't even make sense.
Why assume the virus has to "go" somewhere?

It is the science community that insists that viruses "attack" us poor humans. Thus, in order to "attack", you must first be outside of the human body. Thus, if you are outside of the human body you must be hiding somewhere. Thus, the question. Where are the viruses hiding? Note - Your reference regards a nunnery states that the norovirus was an infection that came from exterior sources. (food or water supply)



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" There is no description of what part of the body this is."
What body part are you talking about?


You are supposed to tell me. How can I know what part. You have supplied the evidence which doesn't have any description of the methods by which the sample was obtained.

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"There are no distinguishing features which tell us that these are HIV viruses."
Yes there is- they were cultured  + DNA typed.

The methods of measuring viruses are very dubious. Note - It was found that in Japan where there is no HIV. That after testing people for for HIV in Japan, that 25 % of the population was HIV positive. Pure nonsense! lol!

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"How can you distinguish or know that a virus is budding or not budding?"

You seem not to have noticed that was already answered Here's Exothermic's reply again for you
""Virion morphogenesis can be divided into three stages: assembly, wherein the virion is created and essential components are packaged; budding, wherein the virion crosses the plasma membrane and obtains its lipid envelope; and maturation, wherein the virion changes structure and becomes infectious." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3385941/"

The reference that you have supplied states that the virus matures outside of the host cell. It states that the virus is not mature when it comes out of the cell because it is not budding yet. Note - Viral theory states that a virus requires the internal mechanism of a living cell to reproduce itself. But, your reference contradicts this basic concept by stating that the virus is not yet mature after exiting the cell. Basic logic or a lack thereof I believe. lol

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"How can something that requires the internal mechanisms of a cell to grow; suddenly grow, outside of a cell environment?"
It doesn't.
Nobody said it did.
That's another lie you made up.

The virus is outside of the cell and is "not budding". Therefore, that makes you the liar!

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"There are no exterior receptor nodules which are apparent in the text (digital) diagrams."
That's because they are very small- which is obvious if you actually learn about them.

Funny, I can see them clearly in the textbook digital version of a virus? But, whenever I see a photograph of an electron microscope version, they are missing. Note- When a blood cell is stressed by a polluted environment it becomes spiky and looks looks like what a virus is supposed to look like. (whatever that is) lol Hmmmmmmmmmmm............. must be just a strange conincidence, eh? lol!
 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #128 on: 25/09/2016 02:52:51 »
By the way, I think this finally nails your naive idea that it's caused by modern unhealthy lifestyle choices.

http://www.smdailyjournal.com/articles/lnews/2016-07-29/norovirus-outbreak-hits-sisters-of-mercy/1776425165805.html

This is just hearsay evidence and has no scientific basis. So they all ate the same garbage or rotten food and got sick. Thus, my theory still stands. You must supply an example where food contamination is not the cause. Also, they must not consume any grain, sugar, dairy or alcohol to qualify to be exempt from my theory. Do you have any proof of this?
Your only possible answer - I have no proof and was just trying to bluff you as I always do. lol
 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #129 on: 25/09/2016 02:57:10 »
... When a blood cell is stressed by a polluted environment it becomes spiky and looks looks like what a virus is supposed to look like. (whatever that is) lol Hmmmmmmmmmmm............. must be just a strange conincidence

The spiky (crenated) red blood cells are 1000x the size of a virus ...


http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/304734/view

You can learn about scale here ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUAFqkS7y9M
 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #130 on: 25/09/2016 03:07:02 »
... When a blood cell is stressed by a polluted environment it becomes spiky and looks looks like what a virus is supposed to look like. (whatever that is) lol Hmmmmmmmmmmm............. must be just a strange conincidence

The spiky (crenated) red blood cells are 1000x the size of a virus ...


http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/304734/view

You can learn about scale here ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUAFqkS7y9M


Can you show me a photo of a spiky red blood cell next to a virus so that I can see the difference. This shouldn't be too hard to do considering that viruses invade the blood supply. lol Good luck! lol!
 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #131 on: 25/09/2016 03:41:57 »
Can you show me a photo of a spiky red blood cell next to a virus so that I can see the difference. This shouldn't be too hard to do considering that viruses invade the blood supply.

There will be no pictures of virus emerging from red blood cells as they don't have a nucleus : no DNA inside. So viruses cannot be made by a red blood cells.

Viruses can be made by white blood cells, you've already seen pictures of that in this thread.
Here's a link to more such images ... http://www.sciencephoto.com/search?subtype=keywords&searchstring=lymphocyte+virus+-illustration

Red & white blood cells are about the same size ...

http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/304720/view
« Last Edit: 25/09/2016 03:46:58 by RD »
 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #132 on: 25/09/2016 04:30:34 »
Can you show me a photo of a spiky red blood cell next to a virus so that I can see the difference. This shouldn't be too hard to do considering that viruses invade the blood supply.

There will be no pictures of virus emerging from red blood cells as they don't have a nucleus : no DNA inside. So viruses cannot be made by a red blood cells.

Viruses can be made by white blood cells, you've already seen pictures of that in this thread.
Here's a link to more such images ... http://www.sciencephoto.com/search?subtype=keywords&searchstring=lymphocyte+virus+-illustration

Red & white blood cells are about the same size ...

http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/304720/view

T - Lymphocytes produce hormones which regulate the body functions numskull. This is what you are seeing. These are not viruses. lol! (Nice try though) lol
 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #133 on: 25/09/2016 05:40:51 »
T - Lymphocytes produce hormones ... This is what you are seeing. These are not viruses.

If blobs of hormones occurred they would be homogeneous : with a uniform cross-section : they would not have structure, which virus buds have ...


http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/248305/view
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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #134 on: 25/09/2016 07:38:42 »
T - Lymphocytes produce hormones ... This is what you are seeing. These are not viruses.

If blobs of hormones occurred they would be homogeneous : with a uniform cross-section : they would not have structure, which virus buds have ...


http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/248305/view

Please state -

1. Method used in obtaining photos

2. Size scale in nm

3. Explain how you get a photo from an electron microscope of an ejecting virus from a T - cell. Seems very improbable to me, having worked in an electron microscope unit myself.

4. Why aren't they ejecting from a normal cell? Is that because only T-Cells eject?

Thyrogobulin Endocytosis - Note - Same picture as your picture but of hormone excretion. lol!

http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter/chapter-2-thyroid-hormone-synthesis-and-secretion/
« Last Edit: 25/09/2016 07:56:39 by Atkhenaken »
 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #135 on: 25/09/2016 07:49:53 »
Please state -
1. Method used in obtaining photos
2. Size scale in nm

If you click on the "sciencephoto" link below the photo the method [TEM] and magnification are specified.
 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #136 on: 25/09/2016 08:00:07 »
Please state -
1. Method used in obtaining photos
2. Size scale in nm

If you click on the "sciencephoto" link below the photo the method [TEM] and magnification are specified.

All questions unanswered. Note - "size in nm". Not magnification. See modifications also.
 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #137 on: 25/09/2016 10:09:32 »
If you can't accept the science then the thread is pointless. Which I why it has been locked.
 

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