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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #75 on: 18/09/2016 12:28:18 »
A picture of a glass jar with muddy water in it doesn't equate with evidence.




Color-enhanced Transmission Electron Micrograph..... I guess you didn't get the memo.

http://cdn-http.innerbody.com/sites/default/files/HIV%20virions.png


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« Reply #76 on: 18/09/2016 12:44:41 »
So what causes disease then? The answer is that the modern diet is responsible. Sugar, grain, dairy and alcohol are all unnatural products which the human digestive system can't cope with and many people get sick because of this. That accounts for 98% of all disease. The other 2% of disease can be blamed on consumption of fecal material, pesticides, fungicides, heavy metals and halogens. (chlorine, fluorine and bromine)
 

2 words = neonatal meningitis



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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #77 on: 18/09/2016 12:52:59 »
The evidence I presented dismantled your theory within 3 posts.
 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #78 on: 18/09/2016 13:04:08 »
A picture of a glass jar with muddy water in it doesn't equate with evidence.




Color-enhanced Transmission Electron Micrograph..... I guess you didn't get the memo.

http://cdn-http.innerbody.com/sites/default/files/HIV%20virions.png


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Looks like all natural cells to me. I don't see any viruses? Can be T-cells, B-cells, Natural Killer Cells, macrophages or mieloblasts.
 

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« Reply #79 on: 18/09/2016 13:08:02 »
So what causes disease then? The answer is that the modern diet is responsible. Sugar, grain, dairy and alcohol are all unnatural products which the human digestive system can't cope with and many people get sick because of this. That accounts for 98% of all disease. The other 2% of disease can be blamed on consumption of fecal material, pesticides, fungicides, heavy metals and halogens. (chlorine, fluorine and bromine)
 

2 words = neonatal meningitis



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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #80 on: 18/09/2016 13:18:18 »
Looks like all natural cells to me. I don't see any viruses?


Suddenly I'm reminded of a Farrelly brothers movie.....


 
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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #81 on: 18/09/2016 13:30:58 »
So what causes disease then? The answer is that the modern diet is responsible. Sugar, grain, dairy and alcohol are all unnatural products which the human digestive system can't cope with and many people get sick because of this. That accounts for 98% of all disease. The other 2% of disease can be blamed on consumption of fecal material, pesticides, fungicides, heavy metals and halogens. (chlorine, fluorine and bromine)
 

2 words = neonatal meningitis



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Huh?

Look up the etiology of neonatal meningitis.

Then try applying your warped theory.

Not happening.

 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #82 on: 18/09/2016 13:34:57 »
I have posted the distribution graphs of pesticides in West Africa which shows the true cause of Ebola.

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/category/ebola/

QUOTES FROM YOUR LINK:  "there is no proof that HIV exists."

"there is no proof of the isolation of a retrovirus from AIDS patients. [HIV is said to be a retrovirus]"



lol.... Try using references that aren't chock full o' manure.


Science. 1986 Jul 18;233(4761):343-6.
Isolation of a new human retrovirus from West African patients with AIDS.
Clavel F, Gutard D, Brun-Vzinet F, Chamaret S, Rey MA, Santos-Ferreira MO, Laurent AG, Dauguet C, Katlama C, Rouzioux C, et al.

The etiological agent of AIDS, LAV/HTLV-III, is common in Central Africa but is not endemic in other areas of that continent. A novel human retrovirus, distinct from LAV/HTLV-III, has now been isolated from two AIDS patients from West Africa. Partial characterization of this virus revealed that it has biological and morphological properties very similar to LAV but that it differs in some of its antigenic components. Although the core antigens may share some common epitopes, the West African AIDS retrovirus and LAV differ substantially in their envelope glycoproteins. The envelope antigen of the West African virus can be recognized by serum from a macaque with simian AIDS infected by the simian retrovirus termed STLV-IIImac, suggesting that the West African AIDS virus may be more closely related to this simian virus than to LAV. Hybridization experiments with LAV subgenomic probes further established that this new retrovirus, here referred to as LAV-II, is distantly related to LAV and distinct from STLV-IIImac.
PMID: 2425430

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #83 on: 18/09/2016 13:55:01 »

Look up the etiology of neonatal meningitis.

Then try applying your warped theory.

Not happening.

Still don't get what you are on about?

Try using more than two words to describe something. It should work wonders for you! lol!
 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #84 on: 18/09/2016 14:30:07 »
A picture of a glass jar with muddy water in it doesn't equate with evidence.




Color-enhanced Transmission Electron Micrograph..... I guess you didn't get the memo.

http://cdn-http.innerbody.com/sites/default/files/HIV%20virions.png


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Looks like all natural cells to me. I don't see any viruses? Can be T-cells, B-cells, Natural Killer Cells, macrophages or mieloblasts.

Look carefully. They are highlighted in green for you.
(The scale is all wrong for the joke suggestions you made)
 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #85 on: 18/09/2016 14:33:42 »

Look up the etiology of neonatal meningitis.

Then try applying your warped theory.

Not happening.

Still don't get what you are on about?

Try using more than two words to describe something. It should work wonders for you! lol!
It doesn't matter how many words we use- because you ignore them anyway.
Perhaps you should go and work in a field hospital treating people with Ebola or some similar viral infection. Since there are no viruses, you won't need any protective equipment. You can turn up with lots of vitamins and, shortly afterwards, you will either be proved right- or (in all sensible probability, you will die.

 
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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #86 on: 18/09/2016 14:34:45 »

Look up the etiology of neonatal meningitis.

Then try applying your warped theory.

Not happening.

Still don't get what you are on about?

Try using more than two words to describe something. It should work wonders for you! lol!

If viruses and pathogens don't exist, and....  "the modern diet accounts for 98% of all disease. The other 2% of disease can be blamed on consumption of fecal material, pesticides, fungicides, heavy metals and halogens....

Then how do you explain the etiology and/or pathogenesis of neonatal meningitis?


 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #87 on: 18/09/2016 14:47:19 »
I don't see any viruses? Can be T-cells, B-cells, Natural Killer Cells, macrophages or mieloblasts.

Like it or not.... the highlighted green are emergent/premature HIV-1 virions, confirmed via CTEM.
 

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« Reply #88 on: 18/09/2016 15:23:55 »


Looks like all natural cells to me. I don't see any viruses? Can be T-cells, B-cells, Natural Killer Cells, macrophages or mieloblasts.

Look carefully. They are highlighted in green for you.
(The scale is all wrong for the joke suggestions you made)
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How do you know that they are HIV viruses?

1. Is it because somebody painted them a nice green colour for you?

2. Is It because because viruses are green?

3. Or is it because only HIV viruses look like little indistinctive anonymous blobs? lol!
 

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« Reply #89 on: 18/09/2016 15:26:23 »
I don't see any viruses? Can be T-cells, B-cells, Natural Killer Cells, macrophages or mieloblasts.

Like it or not.... the highlighted green are emergent/premature HIV-1 virions, confirmed via CTEM.

What distinguishes these from regular cells that might be found in blood?
 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #90 on: 18/09/2016 16:16:18 »
What distinguishes these from regular cells that might be found in blood?

virion (vī′rē-ŏn′, vr′ē-)
A complete viral particle, consisting of RNA or DNA surrounded by a protein shell and constituting the infective form of a virus.


Pick up a textbook.

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #91 on: 18/09/2016 17:10:26 »
Bored Chemist, Exothermic and others have provided ample sources that show that viruses do in fact exist. What exactly do you hope to prove here?
 
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« Reply #92 on: 18/09/2016 17:46:56 »
I don't see any viruses? Can be T-cells, B-cells, Natural Killer Cells, macrophages or mieloblasts.

Like it or not.... the highlighted green are emergent/premature HIV-1 virions, confirmed via CTEM.

What distinguishes these from regular cells that might be found in blood?
Being a thousand times smaller
Being infections
Having different DNA
 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #93 on: 19/09/2016 01:16:42 »

virion (vī′rē-ŏn′, vr′ē-)
A complete viral particle, consisting of RNA or DNA surrounded by a protein shell and constituting the infective form of a virus.


Pick up a textbook.

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So, now you are resorting to shouting in large bright red colours to prove your point. But your evidence is completely vacuous and lacking any detail or logic.

1. There is no size scale on the picture.

2. There is no description of what part of the body this is.

3. There are no distinguishing features which tell us that these are HIV viruses.

4. How can you distinguish or know that a virus is budding or not budding?

5. How can something that requires the internal mechanisms of a cell to grow; suddenly grow, outside of a cell environment?

All illogical nonsense!
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« Reply #94 on: 19/09/2016 01:24:11 »

Being a thousand times smaller
Being infections
Having different DNA

1. No size scale indicated - Thus - False

2. Has never been duplicated in a petri dish using a medium from to separate individuals.  - Thus - False

3. Doesn't have any DNA - Thus - False
 

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« Reply #95 on: 19/09/2016 21:24:29 »
" No size scale indicated - Thus - False"
If I showed you a picture of a man with a mouse in his hand and said that the man was bigger than the mouse would you say that isn't true because he is not holding a ruler?
The size is indicated by the presence of a cell in the picture. The virus particles are about a thousand times smaller.
did you not understand that?


"Has never been duplicated in a petri dish using a medium from to separate individuals."
Yes it has. In particular with Norovirus because it's difficult to culture ( a recent breakthrough means they no longer have to use human volunteers.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160825172254.htm

" Doesn't have any DNA - Thus - False"
Yes they do. Here's an article about the chickenpox virus genome
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3413377/

It doesn't help when you say things that simply are not true.

It seems rude to ask but, do you have some sort of learning disorder that stops you understanding things like not needing a scale to see if one thing is bigger than another?

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #96 on: 20/09/2016 00:10:18 »

1. There is no size scale on the picture - Thus - False

lol.... Next?





2. There is no description of what part of the body this is.

That's because the virions are budding from a [cultured] lymphocyte genius.



3. There are no distinguishing features which tell us that these are HIV viruses.

lol....  The "distinguishing features" of the virus are well-documented, and that was merely a pic of the [early] stages of HIV-1 virion morphogenesis.



4. How can you distinguish or know that a virus is budding or not budding?

"Virion morphogenesis can be divided into three stages: assembly, wherein the virion is created and essential components are packaged; budding, wherein the virion crosses the plasma membrane and obtains its lipid envelope; and maturation, wherein the virion changes structure and becomes infectious." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3385941/


 

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« Reply #97 on: 20/09/2016 00:17:58 »
5. How can something that requires the internal mechanisms of a cell to grow; suddenly grow, outside of a cell environment?


 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #98 on: 20/09/2016 01:38:29 »
" No size scale indicated - Thus - False"
If I showed you a picture of a man with a mouse in his hand and said that the man was bigger than the mouse would you say that isn't true because he is not holding a ruler?
The size is indicated by the presence of a cell in the picture. The virus particles are about a thousand times smaller.
did you not understand that?

Still no size scale! - Thus false. Unscientific idiotic nonsense! To be a scientist, you MUST use scientific methodologies. The reason they keep omitting size scale references is because they are committing a fraud and don't want to get caught!

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"Has never been duplicated in a petri dish using a medium from to separate individuals."
Yes it has. In particular with Norovirus because it's difficult to culture ( a recent breakthrough means they no longer have to use human volunteers.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160825172254.htm

Norovirus - or other wise known as 'cruise ship disease'. People who travel on cruises eat and live like imbeciles with little sleep, too much alcohol, bad diet and very little exercise. Thus, this is the reason that they get sick and has nothing to do with viruses. Again - dairy, sugar and grain the main cause - resulting in leaky gut syndrome.

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" Doesn't have any DNA - Thus - False"
Yes they do. Here's an article about the chickenpox virus genome
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3413377/

The whole virus identification process is a fraud. Separation of similar sized particles in a spinning test tube doesn't equate with a virus. Garbage!


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It seems rude to ask but, do you (ya) have some sort of learning disorder that stops you (ya) understanding things like not needing a scale to see if one thing is bigger than another (punk)?

Well do ya feel lucky punk? Well, do ya? ( Dirty Harry?) lol!

Do you have any more movie equivalent quips?
 

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #99 on: 20/09/2016 01:54:30 »

lol.... Next?

No reasonable reply - Thus, still false. Providing a bigger picture (enlarged) which doesn't include a size scale is still unscientific nonsense.





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That's because the virions are budding from a [cultured] lymphocyte genius.

There are still no distinguishing features. The pictures vary significantly from the text book version where the viruses have small receptor attachments on the outside. Looks like small green cotton buds to me!

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"Virion morphogenesis can be divided into three stages: assembly, wherein the virion is created and essential components are packaged; budding, wherein the virion crosses the plasma membrane and obtains its lipid envelope; and maturation, wherein the virion changes structure and becomes infectious." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3385941/

Its all just computer generated and fabricated nonsense to justify and prevent billions of dollars in litigation by the general public. Bad diet causes disease and that's that. Viruses are just normal body produced hormones and cells which the body uses to rid itself of unwanted pollution and garbage which the stupid person has allowed to enter their bodies. End of story! Get with it! Don't support criminal medical organisations and other fraudsters.
 

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