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Can you gain energy from fusion?
« on: 04/09/2016 04:26:02 »
It is my belief that gaining energy from fusion reactions is impossible. Fusion reaction can only be feasibility achieved on the surface of the sun. This is because the gravity of the sun is sufficient to weaken the atomic bonds of the elements to make them fuse more easily. If you attempt to do this on Earth,you must first create an artificial sun gravity before you can proceed to create a fusion reaction. Thus, the amount of energy that is required to duplicate the sun's gravity will equal the amount of energy that you extract from the fusion reaction. Thus, as we can plainly see, a fusion reaction is not an energy gain reaction.


 

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Re: Can you gain energy from fusion?
« Reply #1 on: 04/09/2016 04:33:49 »
It is my belief that gaining energy from fusion reactions is impossible.

The energy is created by the fusion , ''the process or result of joining two or more things together to form a single entity'' and produce energy..
 

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Re: Can you gain energy from fusion?
« Reply #2 on: 04/09/2016 04:39:53 »
It is my belief that gaining energy from fusion reactions is impossible.

The energy is created by the fusion , ''the process or result of joining two or more things together to form a single entity'' and produce energy..

Doesn't make any sense. You need gravity to maintain the reaction or it will dissipate. Its a false concept with false technology to support it.
 

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Re: Can you gain energy from fusion?
« Reply #3 on: 04/09/2016 04:46:11 »
It is my belief that gaining energy from fusion reactions is impossible.

The energy is created by the fusion , ''the process or result of joining two or more things together to form a single entity'' and produce energy..

Doesn't make any sense. You need gravity to maintain the reaction or it will dissipate. Its a false concept with false technology to support it.

I thought fusion was protons bashing protons at high speeds ? i.e  proton-proton chain.

Please explain more and educate me more on fusion, you mention the sun, a good place to start.

 

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Re: Can you gain energy from fusion?
« Reply #4 on: 04/09/2016 05:13:25 »


I thought fusion was protons bashing protons at high speeds ? i.e  proton-proton chain.

Please explain more and educate me more on fusion, you mention the sun, a good place to start.

Refer to my other post - 'Aether plus spin equal matter' for further details.
 

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Re: Can you gain energy from fusion?
« Reply #5 on: 04/09/2016 05:19:19 »


I thought fusion was protons bashing protons at high speeds ? i.e  proton-proton chain.

Please explain more and educate me more on fusion, you mention the sun, a good place to start.

Refer to my other post - 'Aether plus spin equal matter' for further details.

There is no aether.
 

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Re: Can you gain energy from fusion?
« Reply #6 on: 04/09/2016 17:43:55 »
I can't post the link but this is an extract from Nature which shows a net gain in energy:

Fuel gain exceeding unity in an inertially confined fusion implosion

 
Ignition is needed to make fusion energy a viable alternative energy source, but has yet to be achieved1. A key step on the way to ignition is to have the energy generated through fusion reactions in an inertially confined fusion plasma exceed the amount of energy deposited into the deuterium–tritium fusion fuel and hotspot during the implosion process, resulting in a fuel gain greater than unity. Here we report the achievement of fusion fuel gains exceeding unity on the US National Ignition Facility using a ‘high-foot’ implosion method2, 3, which is a manipulation of the laser pulse shape in a way that reduces instability in the implosion. These experiments show an order-of-magnitude improvement in yield performance over past deuterium–tritium implosion experiments. We also see a significant contribution to the yield from α-particle self-heating and evidence for the ‘bootstrapping’ required to accelerate the deuterium–tritium fusion burn to eventually ‘run away’ and ignite.
 

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Re: Can you gain energy from fusion?
« Reply #7 on: 05/09/2016 05:12:07 »
The amount of energy used to get the pressure inside the sun is only used once in a fusion laser to ignite a pellet of fusion. If it were used to ignite a larger amount then they currently use and create a good size explosion they could then use it in my system at http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=68118.0 to generate more energy then was used to get the fuel through electrolysis or set off the laser.
 

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Re: Can you gain energy from fusion?
« Reply #8 on: 05/09/2016 22:52:16 »
It is my belief that gaining energy from fusion reactions is impossible. Fusion reaction can only be feasibility achieved on the surface of the sun.
It's clear that your belief doesn't stop the real world  extracting energy from fusion.
 

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Re: Can you gain energy from fusion?
« Reply #9 on: 07/09/2016 16:50:22 »
It is my belief that gaining energy from fusion reactions is impossible. Fusion reaction can only be feasibility achieved on the surface of the sun.
It's clear that your belief doesn't stop the real world  extracting energy from fusion.

They have been trying for more than 50 years and haven't produced one extra watt of power. lol!
 

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Re: Can you gain energy from fusion?
« Reply #10 on: 08/09/2016 05:38:29 »
Yes. see hydrogen bomb.
The problem is how to control it.
 

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Re: Can you gain energy from fusion?
« Reply #11 on: 11/09/2016 16:00:43 »
Yes. see hydrogen bomb.
The problem is how to control it.

You can't control what you haven't got!

Note - They don't understand the nature of the universe. Infinity goes inwards as well as outwards. Thus, the universe is infinitely complex and uncontrollable. Especially when you are playing with fire.
 

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Re: Can you gain energy from fusion?
« Reply #12 on: 13/09/2016 00:38:11 »
Yes. see hydrogen bomb.
The problem is how to control it.

You can't control what you haven't got!

Note - They don't understand the nature of the universe. Infinity goes inwards as well as outwards. Thus, the universe is infinitely complex and uncontrollable. Especially when you are playing with fire.

You also appear infinitely complex and uncontrollable. We can help sort out the second problem if you wish.
 

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Re: Can you gain energy from fusion?
« Reply #13 on: 26/09/2016 12:00:58 »
Quote from: Atkhenaken
Fusion reaction can only be feasibility achieved on the surface of the sun.
Fusion does not occur to any measurable extent on the surface of the Sun - at a temperature of around 5500K, it is far too cold, and pressures far too low to overcome the electrostatic repulsion of protons.

Humans can achieve these conditions fairly easily.

To get fusion to work, the core of the Sun has temperatures of around 15,000,000K, and pressures around 150 times denser than water (about 3x1011 times Earth's atmospheric pressure).

Even so, the thermal output of the Sun's core is lower than the metabolic output of a resting human, whether measured as Watts per liter or Watts per Kilogram.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_core

To get a significant amount of fusion to work on Earth, a fission "trigger" is used to compress a Tritium/Deuterium mixture to temperatures far higher than the center of the Sun. Pressures are similar to center of the Sun, with pressures measured in TeraPascals. Even so, a large fraction of the thermal output comes from nuclear fission, not fusion.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermonuclear_weapon#Foam_plasma_pressure
« Last Edit: 26/09/2016 12:27:54 by evan_au »
 

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Re: Can you gain energy from fusion?
« Reply #14 on: 26/09/2016 13:12:39 »
Quote from: Atkhenaken
Fusion reaction can only be feasibility achieved on the surface of the sun.
Fusion does not occur to any measurable extent on the surface of the Sun - at a temperature of around 5500K, it is far too cold, and pressures far too low to overcome the electrostatic repulsion of protons.

The sun's atmosphere is millions of degrees hotter than its surface. Thus, this is where fusion takes place. The sun fuses positive and negative particles together to make neutrons, plus heat and energy. This is how matter is first produced.

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Humans can achieve these conditions fairly easily.

Still haven't done it, despite 50 plus years of trying.


 

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