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Offline vikram_gupta11

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In this sketch there is a GUN SYSTEM as a propellant chamber and we are using IRON BALLS as a propellant.

An electromagnet is attached on the other side of this engine .When we fire these   IRON balls  with the help of this gun system then these balls will move towards forward side and a back force will be create to propel  this engine .  These iron balls will be piled up on the surface of this electromagnet and we can again reuse these iron balls and send back these iron balls into the propellant chamber or refilling the Gun system again and again with the help of a mechanical system .

In this way this engine will work  and  the propellant (IRON BALLS) will never be reduced.

 

I have a question that suppose if the iron balls could reduce its velocity  with itself and hit with electromagnet with low velocity then this engine will move or not?

suppose the iron ball is expelling with 5 meter/second speed from Gun system and is hitting the electromagnet or a wall with 2 meter /second velocity then this device should work or not?
 further more I would like to inform you that we will use FERROFLUID(magnetic fluid) to reduce the velocity of these Iron balls .These iron balls will be filled up with this magnetic fluid  and at the time of  expelling this fluid will be in solid state but once expelling from the gun system it will convert into liquid form to reduce the velocity of iron balls .In this way this iron ball will reduce its velocity with itself due to ferro liquid.

we can also use another system to reduce the velocity of iron ball upto 0% by using two electromagnets .In this solution suppose iron ball is moving through between two electromagnet  and these two electromagnet will try to attract this iron ball  and this iron ball will be stopped immediately.
Now my question is  now the velocity of this iron ball is Zero then this engine should move or not  as we are getting thrust of gun system to propel the engine and iron ball is in 0 velocity and the force has been canceled  to stop this iron ball due to both electromagnet  .

Please explain your answer.
i shall be very grateful to you.

Vikram


 

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Re: Never reducing propellant for deep space propulsion tech
« Reply #1 on: 26/09/2016 19:42:40 »
If you capture the propellant for reuse, you will also negate all of the thrust (and not move at all). This would be like firing a rocket engine inside a sealed airplane and expecting the plane to move faster.
 

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Re: Never reducing propellant for deep space propulsion tech
« Reply #2 on: 27/09/2016 08:39:30 »
Dear Sir,
If a object is out from a system then it will be not a part of the system. suppose I and you are standing on a roller skating  and there is 10 meter distance between us .I stand on the front part and you stands on the end part.Now I'm throwing a ball with the velocity of 5 meter/ second and in reaction the roller skate will move towards front side with you but ball is still in the air (for a moment untill  you catch it) and its velocity has reduced from 5 to 3 meter /second .when you will catch it, a back force will be create to pull the roller skating  but it will be less than the force was created by me at the timing of throwing the ball towards you. I can collect this ball again from you by using a conveyor belt  system.
in this way this engine will work .This engine is not a closed system .the iron ball is expelling outside from the inside part of this system and reducing its velocity with itself and after with reduced velocity is again entering in this system.
if we try this system on the earth then it will work and if this kind system works on the earth then there is no doubt that it will not work in space.

Vikram
 

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Re: Never reducing propellant for deep space propulsion tech
« Reply #3 on: 27/09/2016 18:23:40 »
How is the ball reducing its velocity? There has to be something in the system for the energy/momentum to be transferred to. Your proposal is more akin to juggling while on roller skates.
 

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Re: Never reducing propellant for deep space propulsion tech
« Reply #4 on: 27/09/2016 19:41:25 »
If you stand on a skateboard and throw a rock, then you will move in reaction.

But now you've lost the rock.

If you do something to keep the rock, like tie a rope to it so when it's gone a small distance you can stop it and pull it back, you'll find that it negates your movement.


Exactly how are you recapturing your iron balls? What's the line along the bottom of the diagram?
 

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Re: Never reducing propellant for deep space propulsion tech
« Reply #5 on: 30/09/2016 02:40:52 »
 we cannot tie this ball as if we tie this ball with some rope then net force will be Zero but in this sketch suppose the velocity of ball is 0 and it is out from the system and stayed in 0 velocity due to two electromagnets and these two magnets are attached with two springs and both springs are in stretched position towards up and down side . The ball is expelled from the gun system and got 0 velocity after expelling from the system by using these electromagnets and a force is also applying on these magnets and springs are in stretched position. you will say that engine will not move as net force is ZERO but if we release these spring then what will be happened with engine as after releasing these springs both will work to propel the engine ? should it move or not or can we modify the direction of this engine ? please keep aside the issue of ball retrieving. Thanks
 

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