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How do suns form?
« on: 29/09/2016 17:14:11 »
It is my opinion that suns form from planets and not from primeval dust from the Big Bang. The shape of the Earth's continents clearly indicates that the Earth is expanding and has been doing so for billions of years. (See 'The Expanding Earth' video.) The aether is flowing into the centre of the Earth where the spinning (at the speed of light) particles of aether are forced together so they stop spinning. This releases heat and energy and forms neutrons. This is why the centre of the Earth is molten and hot. Now, as the planets get larger, the aether fusion point gradually moves outwards towards the crust. Eventually, the fusion point reaches the surface when the planet is big enough. When this occurs, the planet ignites and becomes a sun. There may be some dust which comes from exploding stars but most of the mass would come from aether fusion. This involves the left and right spin ethons fusing together to make a neutron. Neutrons then grow to become atoms by attracting electrons and protons into rotation around the neutron (black-hole attractor.)

This process is never ending and has no beginning nor and any ending. The solar fractals will eventually expand and become galactic fractals. This is how the universe is expanding. - Note - It has nothing to do with the Big Bang.  The universe is divided into fractal dimensions. Real time increases with smaller fractals and slows down with larger fractals. The time scale differential between each dimension is approx. in the order of 10 to the power of 35 or more commonly know as Planck's constant.

Note - There is no fourth dimension within our fractal reality.


 
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Re: How do suns form?
« Reply #1 on: 29/09/2016 17:26:06 »
Pro tip: If you're thread starts with "It's my opinion that..." It belongs in either "New Theories" or "That CAN'T be true."

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Re: How do suns form?
« Reply #2 on: 29/09/2016 19:03:13 »
Well.....I'm convinced !
 

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Re: How do suns form?
« Reply #3 on: 29/09/2016 19:46:02 »
I suppose you have some evidence for this? I would accept as evidence: indications of other planets turning into stars (perhaps Jupiter is closest?), detection of "ethons," observation of neutron formation inside the Earth, or a theory on how ethons combine to generate BOTH mass AND energy.
 

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Re: How do suns form?
« Reply #4 on: 30/09/2016 02:34:26 »
I suppose you have some evidence for this? I would accept as evidence: indications of other planets turning into stars (perhaps Jupiter is closest?), detection of "ethons," observation of neutron formation inside the Earth, or a theory on how ethons combine to generate BOTH mass AND energy.


In the January/February 2006 issue of Australian Physics. -
 
Professor Cahill argues that the Michelson Morley experiment did not produce the null result generally supposed. Fringe shifts were observed, but were much smaller than expected from the assumed velocity of the apparatus through the aether, and were thus disregarded.The modern view of this experiment (or at least the prevailing modern view)is that any aether or other absolute frame of reference is likely to remain un-detected because of the Fitzgerald-Lorentz contraction of the apparatus in the direction of travel. Professor Cahill argues, however, that if an interferometer contains gas, such as the air in the Michelson and Morley apparatus, the refractively diminished phase velocity of the light would be such that contraction effects would not exactly counter differences in travel times. Small phase shifts would thus occur of the order of magnitude of those in fact recorded.I would suggest, however, that the presence of gas in the light paths could not produce the effect described. The essential problem lies in the assumption that the reduced phase velocity of the light in "gas mode" will have the same magnitude whether observed in the laboratory frame or in an absolute frame of reference. It is true that the free space velocity is invariant but not so the reduced phase velocity. To ascertain the magnitude of that phase velocity,as observed from another frame, we must use the relativistic formula for the composition of velocities, those velocities being in this case the velocity of the interferometer and the phase velocity of the signal.  

The light path aligned at right angles to the direction of travel, in the laboratory frame, is not so aligned when observed in the absolute frame. However, we need only consider in the absolute frame those components of phase velocity.

Wave Structure of Matter

A precursor of aether physics is the Wave Structure of Matter theory by Milo Wolff. In 1986 Wolff formulated a theory that he called ‘the Standing Wave Structure of Matter’ (abbreviated to WSM theory). Independently Geoff Haselhurst came to the same conclusion about a standing wave theory for matter and they are working together as of 1998.

The WSM theory is relatively simple. It proposes that matter is the focal point of a standing wave the result of two interfering waves. One is an inward wave moving towards the center and the other is an outward-bound wave moving away from the center. The waves are spherical waves in the fabric of space. The center of the two spherical waves is the ‘point particle’ center. As simple as the axiom of this theory is, the properties these standing waves can assume seem to be immense.

Whereas almost all physical laws both in Newtonian and quantum physics were empirically derived from experiments, Milo Wolf says he now has theory that a priori, from theoretical principles, allows the laws of both relativity and quantum physics to be determined!

If he is right the origin of the physical laws and the properties of charge, mass and gravity, for the first time can be understood. Mainstream physics could never really explain these; for one thing we still don’t know what gravity really is; we have known the physical laws of gravity since Newton; however we don’t know what’s causing gravity!

String theory is trying to accomplish exactly what the WSM theory has done, to integrate quantum physics and Einstein’s relativity. String theory is mainstream physics best shot and hope for a theory of everything (T.O.E.)

A wave structure of matter had already been proposed 130 years ago by William Clifford, he declared that ‘all matter is simply undulations in the fabric of space’. Unfortunately, his colleagues never took his work seriously.

In the WSM theory matter is just the interference pattern of in and out waves. The in-waves of a given particle are the out-waves of another particle. In this way all matter in the universe is sustained and mutually dependent. In and out waves tie all the matter in the universe together.

In conclusion : A very bad Photoshop user is more likely to discover the secrets of the universe than the most advanced scientist at CERN. This is because smashing marbles tells you very little about marbles regardless of the size of the hammer you are using. Whereas, a Photoshop user is using similar tools to that which the universe uses to create reality.

Note - The human eye sees everything in terms of 3 parts. (The law of 3rds which applies to both music and visual arts).  The number 3 was Tesla's favourite number because he knew that it was the key to understanding the universe.

http://ryuc.info/creativityphysics/energy/pair_production.htm


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Re: How do suns form?
« Reply #5 on: 04/10/2016 16:17:54 »
I suppose you have some evidence for this? I would accept as evidence: indications of other planets turning into stars (perhaps Jupiter is closest?), detection of "ethons," observation of neutron formation inside the Earth, or a theory on how ethons combine to generate BOTH mass AND energy.


In the January/February 2006 issue of Australian Physics. -
 
Professor Cahill argues that the Michelson Morley experiment did not produce the null result generally supposed. Fringe shifts were observed, but were much smaller than expected from the assumed velocity of the apparatus through the aether, and were thus disregarded.The modern view of this experiment (or at least the prevailing modern view)is that any aether or other absolute frame of reference is likely to remain un-detected because of the Fitzgerald-Lorentz contraction of the apparatus in the direction of travel. Professor Cahill argues, however, that if an interferometer contains gas, such as the air in the Michelson and Morley apparatus, the refractively diminished phase velocity of the light would be such that contraction effects would not exactly counter differences in travel times. Small phase shifts would thus occur of the order of magnitude of those in fact recorded.I would suggest, however, that the presence of gas in the light paths could not produce the effect described. The essential problem lies in the assumption that the reduced phase velocity of the light in "gas mode" will have the same magnitude whether observed in the laboratory frame or in an absolute frame of reference. It is true that the free space velocity is invariant but not so the reduced phase velocity. To ascertain the magnitude of that phase velocity,as observed from another frame, we must use the relativistic formula for the composition of velocities, those velocities being in this case the velocity of the interferometer and the phase velocity of the signal.  

The light path aligned at right angles to the direction of travel, in the laboratory frame, is not so aligned when observed in the absolute frame. However, we need only consider in the absolute frame those components of phase velocity.

Wave Structure of Matter

A precursor of aether physics is the Wave Structure of Matter theory by Milo Wolff. In 1986 Wolff formulated a theory that he called ‘the Standing Wave Structure of Matter’ (abbreviated to WSM theory). Independently Geoff Haselhurst came to the same conclusion about a standing wave theory for matter and they are working together as of 1998.

The WSM theory is relatively simple. It proposes that matter is the focal point of a standing wave the result of two interfering waves. One is an inward wave moving towards the center and the other is an outward-bound wave moving away from the center. The waves are spherical waves in the fabric of space. The center of the two spherical waves is the ‘point particle’ center. As simple as the axiom of this theory is, the properties these standing waves can assume seem to be immense.

Whereas almost all physical laws both in Newtonian and quantum physics were empirically derived from experiments, Milo Wolf says he now has theory that a priori, from theoretical principles, allows the laws of both relativity and quantum physics to be determined!

If he is right the origin of the physical laws and the properties of charge, mass and gravity, for the first time can be understood. Mainstream physics could never really explain these; for one thing we still don’t know what gravity really is; we have known the physical laws of gravity since Newton; however we don’t know what’s causing gravity!

String theory is trying to accomplish exactly what the WSM theory has done, to integrate quantum physics and Einstein’s relativity. String theory is mainstream physics best shot and hope for a theory of everything (T.O.E.)

A wave structure of matter had already been proposed 130 years ago by William Clifford, he declared that ‘all matter is simply undulations in the fabric of space’. Unfortunately, his colleagues never took his work seriously.

In the WSM theory matter is just the interference pattern of in and out waves. The in-waves of a given particle are the out-waves of another particle. In this way all matter in the universe is sustained and mutually dependent. In and out waves tie all the matter in the universe together.

In conclusion : A very bad Photoshop user is more likely to discover the secrets of the universe than the most advanced scientist at CERN. This is because smashing marbles tells you very little about marbles regardless of the size of the hammer you are using. Whereas, a Photoshop user is using similar tools to that which the universe uses to create reality.

Note - The human eye sees everything in terms of 3 parts. (The law of 3rds which applies to both music and visual arts).  The number 3 was Tesla's favourite number because he knew that it was the key to understanding the universe.

http://ryuc.info/creativityphysics/energy/pair_production.htm

 I kind of picture the same frame, what i want to know, is why do you consider that the aether is able to penetrate direct to earths innercore, isntead of that during planetary formation, as it was growing bigger there's a point of mass (proportional mass/energy), where it starts to melt from inside out,(or from the exterior perspective, solidify from outside in) different from you i assume that aether is trapped inside earth's inner core, trapped by all the dense atomic structure on the outhercore and outher layers, so that very aether is spining much as a singularity but that one, can't interact dirrectly with the external one, that being said, different from a black hole, this self contained singularity only produce exitement of the outhercore, of course considering that to be possible, I also agree that there is no hidden dimmention, and for BH as being only innercores, that by being formed by neutrons, is able to "exist" without the necessity if outherlayers as gases or rocks, the very frictions provides the means, so no hole to another dimmension, only an ordinary innercore that can still exist on the vacuum, cause does not need to conserve, it can remain still even when exposed to the aether, and its true destructive force lie on this direct intteraction with the exterior, causing a acceleration so fast that it surpasses the density of the medium, (horizon) there the aether has become so thin that no units can keep their actuall state, nothing cvan fall in to, there is a interior, but not empty one....   The frame is simple, picture a black hole as a innercore that can sustain itself exposed on vaccum of space, no different from a planet or sun exept for the existence of gass and rocks....

 Anyway, just to cofirm from your poit of view, why is the aether accessing the innercore from outside in?
 I ask cause I came to believe that gravity is provinient of all the forces, mass, energy, space, everything, but not in paralel but as combined to form a singularity, and that very effect is interacting with the exterior (aether), form inside out the planet, the veryexstence of matter within our universe is consider by the medium as being a hole, so it only compresses like a gas bubble under water, and when it grows bigger, it starts to expand back, there mass will be converted ito energy due the acceleration, as uch the panet tries to release its energy base, it comes back to it using the whole weight of the hydrosphere....

 As if the planets, in large scale are not orbiting the sun, but there is only the otherspace, and the inner one, one reacting in function of the other, the "planet" as we consider and estimate, as only being a meaning to an end, there was only "space", all the motion, acceleration and speed, orbits, gravity, all provinent form space and on it, including temperatures, although, for all this to be possible, aether needs a catalistor witch would be energy/mass... Matter as being rare and not being able to exist without empty space, including within the atoms, on the other hand, space apears to be fne without the precense of matter, the logical concusion isthat matter was originated from space, and what we are "not seeing" happenig inside the black hole, is not happening inside at all, as matter gets close it is converted back into space/energy, loosing all of its molecular structure and light, althou I'm not really sure about space as being deactivated matter, not as long we do not watch a real blackhole....

  As for the reason for the suns plate and spheres, seems to be quite simple, solar winds, all the process of the sun, do result on expansion, constant one, expansion of the dilatation, increassing it, but sun is not the first, sun is existing inside the horizontal disk of another bigger body and so it goes on and on, so sun does the same thing that the bigger does, but it is "existing" already over a predeterminated spin, ditacting the dirrection, so even if the sun is expanding the dilatation in equal, the otherspace, at the end of the heliosphere is always comming against the sun, the aether inside, the aether outside are the same, but there is a different dillatation, sun is always being compressed along with the weight of its spheres, not real weight as we consider for apples, but the one resulted from its own acceleration... So remains obvious that I consider a heliosphere that started small and got growing on are, the point is, the sun never was static, so there was spin, the very rotation of the sun (in function of the BH), helped to shape the poles, but why they are north and south, seems to be related with outherspace compressing the heliosphere from the weakest spot, for us, the horizontal, the horizon, tht compression forming a invisible plate on the aether, cause expansion and compression are balancing on that area, this also forces all matter down bellow and also up above the suns plate to be pushed to the horizontal, that seems to be revealed when planets seems to be chasing the sun, the truth seems to be that heliosphere is always pushing them back to the neutral zone, the plate.... As resume we ar enot bound to suns mass, we are bound to the effect it produces on space, the plate, so mass as being only the meaning to the end, and for so not "owning" gravity for its own, and sun was never literaly "bounding" anything to its mass, only happens that we are locked on its plate, the plate is sailing along with the sun, so being ocked on the horizon, plus eliptical orbit, equals spiral, we can't stay beind, also we can't move much forward than "the plate"...

As for suns, I deftnely agree, medium is alway getting free acess to suns inner core due the lower density of the gass, but since there is still happening fusion, there is a practical way and reasonabl reason fro a sun be different from a ordinary gass cloud....
 Anyway would really apreciate to know, how do you consider possible the aether penetrate trought density and reach the inner core of planets, (as for atoms), asking just becose at least for me, all forces are repening, right because aether "can't" penetrate trough dense atomic structure....(in terms of planets)
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Re: How do suns form?
« Reply #6 on: 04/10/2016 16:37:04 »
... The shape of the Earth's continents clearly indicates that the Earth is expanding and has been doing so for billions of years. (See 'The Expanding Earth' video.)

We've already seen it  ....
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