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Re: My Brain...how much more can it take ?
« Reply #25 on: 12/03/2004 08:43:24 »
OldMan, I definitely agree that painkillers become your friend !!!  maybe the anethetic wasn't as powerful as yours or something but while the dentist was pulling out the tooth i had a horrible gigantic ache all through my jaw .... I was so happy when he finally gave me the tooth in a little plastic bag. That's weird that you had shoulder trouble. The symptoms depend on the person, I suppose?

And gpan ... haha. Congrats.

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« Reply #26 on: 12/03/2004 17:32:45 »
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Give the woman a prize she's right!! Yes it was the upper right as for the numbers but yes the wisdom tooth. That sucker had some pretty intresting roots on it. And yes I had the tooth pulled around 11 on a Saturday morning and by about 8:30 to 9Pm that night was when I started having pain trouble with my shoulder. By about midnight I was at the stage where the pain was quite intense and I was feeling some pain in my left shoulder as well but to a lesser degree than the right.



That's pretty scary that a tooth removal can do that sort of thing to you.  I would think that's even a better reason to go to an oral surgeon and get it done right.  But I suppose it would always carry a risk.

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« Reply #27 on: 12/03/2004 20:56:46 »
John, it's not neccessarily the quality of the dental work that creates the problem.  What Tim is dealing with now is an energy meridian that's been unbalanced.

Tim, electro-dermal screening could help.  I don't know much about it, but it's called EAV (Electro-acupuncture According to Voll - that's Dr. Reinhold Voll) or EDS (Electro Dermal Screening).  If you can't find practitioners, then you might try acupuncture or reiki.
 

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« Reply #28 on: 16/03/2004 04:07:12 »
Hi Donnah

Think you can try and explain to me what you mean by me having an unbalanced energy meridian?

My mum had a reiki session a few months back while she was staying with her mum and said it was really weird as the woman doing it was right in her head. She would make comments on things and mum would say how did you know I was just thinking that?
 

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« Reply #29 on: 17/03/2004 01:22:04 »
Hi Tim, I'm going to quote from Whole Body Dentistry.  

" Dr. Voll would have his patient hold a small brass cylinder in one hand.  He would then touch the tip or the stylus to a specific acupuncture point.  The cylinder would introduce a minute amount of electrical current, which would travel through the body to reach the stylus, thus forming a complete electrical circuit.  The amount of skin resistence at the acupuncture site would then be recorded.  Dr. Voll found that normal skin resistence over a healthy point is 100,000 Ohms...During 40 years of research, Dr. Voll actually documented an entire network of energetic pathways throughout the body, better known as energy meridians...We access these pathways via points on the skin where there are changes in the electrical resistance or the ability of the tissue to conduct electricity.  A healthy pathway will be able to sustain a certain level of electron flow.  Inflammation tends to foster increased activity in the cells, with all sorts of chemical reactions going on, creating a more active environment through which electrons can flow at a greater rate."

Relax Tim, it's a special gift when a Reiki practitioner (or anyone for that matter) can hear what's going on in your head.  And a practitioner with the gift may only have that connection with certain people at certain times.  I sometimes hear what people are thinking.  I hear it like they had spoken.  It rarely happens, and I haven't tried to learn about it since I have no great desire to know what's in someone else's head.  My own is busy enough.
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« Reply #30 on: 17/03/2004 17:40:42 »
Isn't passing extra electricity through your body a bad thing? O_O

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« Reply #31 on: 21/03/2004 20:15:13 »
As far as wisdom teeth go, it doesn't do much good hearing from others how their procedure went as so much depends on the doctor, and exactly what state your teeth are in.  Whether you can take the pain or not is one issue, but i TOTALLY recomend that (if you have insurance that will cover it or are butt-rich) that you go all the way under.  My oral surgeon, when I had all 4 out, gave me N2O to make me less anxious about the IV needle, then put me all the way under, then gave me 7 shots of novacane while I was under, then gave me a perscription for Vicatin to take home.  While I thought it was overkill before hand, he was quite insistant, and wow was i glad once the day came!!!  For a kid who'd never even had a drink before at that point...WOW!!!  that was the most fun day of my life...the stories I could tell you...  I only wish that i had 4 more wisdom teeth!!!  Donnah, is that book relatively easy to find?? I really want to read it.  It kind of sounds like it crosses a couple fields of research that I considered going into at various points, but never pursued)

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« Reply #32 on: 21/03/2004 20:21:46 »
Getting back to the original question in this post...  neil I have heard a specific # (or at least an estimate as its different in each person obviously).  If I can find it when I go home I'll put it up here later just to ease your curiosity.   As for brain function, we have to remember that our brain is one part of our body that we know relatively noting about.  We estimate that we use ~10% of our brain, but thats just becaus ethats all that we know how to measure.  While our knowledge of neurons is quite limited, we know virtually NOTHING about glial cells that compose the majority of brain cells.  Many of you may have learned in school that glial cells are simply there to support the neurons, but in reality thats just all that we've been able to find out that they do.  Evidence actually points twards them having MUCH higher functionality than that.

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« Reply #33 on: 21/03/2004 21:02:18 »
Thanks Justin me old Fly Fancier !!!....as soon as you can get that guestimate then that will be great.  If we estimate that we only use 10%, then what's the other 90% for ?...or is it that we've only discovered what 10% of the brain does and have yet to discover the use of the other 90% ?...I realise you've partly answered it, but as a complete novice (me that is)...I would have thought that surely we use all our brain don't we ?....or is the fact that my brain is not working right, is what is making me ask silly questions ?.....................Oh...I've just cut you some slack by the way and it's flipping and flopping all over my desk...  :-)

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« Reply #34 on: 21/03/2004 22:30:29 »
flopping?? I don't get it?? Is this a cultural language barrier? or am i just being as dense as I was about the jewlery in the semen forum??  Ok, I'm on my way home to look up that neuron question (and to do my ironing).  I just hope I still have the # sitting around somewhere (somewhere logical)

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« Reply #35 on: 22/03/2004 02:09:34 »
Well I'm back (so much for ironing clothes, man do I like to take long naps lately!!!)

Neil, I've got some good news and some bad news for you.  Good news, I had a pretty good idea of where I had your magic number writen down in an old notebook (even down to the page), when I went home and dug that out I flipped right to it and there it was.  Bad news, I forgot that I had gotten part of that notebook wet a while back and a lot of the notes on the bottom 1/8 of the page(s) had all blead off.  Guess where your number was!

SO.... never to fear that wasn't my only option, I consulted my personal library (I was on a mission gal-dangit).  Unfortuantely I did not find exactly what I was looking for, but here's the infor related to what you asked and what I was discussing earlier:

First of all the human nervous system (not brain, this is whole body, but hopefully you can estimate from there) has ~85 billion neurons.  To illustrate how many this is the author (Grilly, David M.  "Drugs and Human Behavior"  p.54) shows through simple math if a person looses 100,000 neurons a day for 70 consecutive years they will still have 82 billion neaurons.  CRAZY!
Getting back to what I was discussing earlier regarding how little we know about the brain:  those glial cells that we know little to nothing about compose 91% of brain cells meaning only 9% of our brain cells are neurons.  Now I remember that when I learned this wondering if THIS is what was meant when people say we only use 10% of our brain, but to the best of my understanding its not.  So if you're  going by the popular myth (as I like to call it) that we only use our neurons for thinking... that means we actually only use ~1% of our brain cells!!!
Now you may ask "why do we only study neurons?  is there something inherant to them that makes us believe that thats where all the action happens?"  nope.  Glia are just too small to be studied easily, so up until recently the scientific community has simply ignored them in "hopes" that they serve no important function other than physical structure and support (even though they make up 91% OF OUR BRAIN!!)
Another point, that I was reminded of while researching this, that further illustrated our lack of understanding about the brain:  Both neurons and glia are named and categorized by their appearance.  If a researcher discovered a new type of glia that looked like a tooth brush, they were dubbed "tooth brush neurons" and categorized with all other neurons that resemble dental hygene products (this is a ficticious example, but does represent how rediculus the system is).  Anyone who has studied much biology knows that especially on this small of a level, form does NOT neccesarily follow function.  So we've really organized this stuff arbitrarily.  This is in part due to history, but also part due to how little we know about our own brains.

Yikes there was a rant and a half about the ignorance of one of my favorite fields!
Hope that shed some light on your question though.


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« Reply #36 on: 22/03/2004 03:06:11 »
Justin you can get the book at www.WholeBodyDentistry.com
 

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« Reply #37 on: 22/03/2004 03:16:54 »
wow, just glancing at the tabel of contents has me excited (other than seeing "introduction by Robert C. Atkins MD"  that made me cringe).
And only $25 with shipping.  If my recent ebay binge hadn't left me pathetically broke, the book would be in the mail to me right now.  Guess I'll just have to wait until payday.  Thanks though.

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« Reply #38 on: 22/03/2004 20:22:00 »
Thanks Just, (can i call you Just [?])......so I should stop counting them then and put me brain back where it lives.....just as well really....my fingers and toes were getting really fed up.....:)

Fascinating stuff though, and I appreciate your answer....albeit a bit brief:D:D:D:D


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« Reply #39 on: 23/03/2004 12:10:32 »
So is it possible that glia could function like neurons?  And, is it once a glia, always a glia, or can a glia enlarge and become a neuron if the neuron servicing the area becomes destroyed?  I would guess not, because then no one would ever have brain damage, but what's the function of the glial cells?
 

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« Reply #40 on: 23/03/2004 14:14:48 »
I wouldn't think that a glia could become a neuron as they are completely different types of cells.  I saw a study once that either ststed that they thought they had found neuro receptors on a glial cell, or they had found a glial cell (I can't remember which).  But in either case its good evidence that they're there for more than just structure.  I think the general hypothisis amongs people today who even give glia attention is that they function in someway that services the neurosystem in doing some of the things we don't fully understand about it yet.  However they are very difficult to study given our technology at this point.

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« Reply #41 on: 25/03/2004 12:30:00 »
Obviously, if there're so many of them, they must have a purpose.  I didn't know that glial function was still unknown.
 

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« Reply #42 on: 25/03/2004 14:48:30 »
ha this is funny, don't worry about it

i have been here longer yet you seem to be more advanced...


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« Reply #43 on: 25/03/2004 16:07:53 »
I was just reading that glial cells supply nutrients & other chemicals to neurons, repair the brain after injury, and attack invading bacteria.
 

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« Reply #44 on: 04/04/2004 14:08:05 »
Seems like they don't do such a good job.  The brain injured patients and stroke patients might not agree with that.  I hope they have some other function than that because those glials are falling down on the job.
 

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« Reply #45 on: 06/04/2004 18:29:11 »
Quote: "well, humans only use approx 10% of brain as adults!"

A famous myth that seems not to be true.  Check out this website to read more about it.

newbielink:http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html [nonactive]

But I DO know if you ask my wife she'll agree I only use 10% of MY brain. :D

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« Reply #46 on: 04/04/2004 14:08:05 »
Seems like they don't do such a good job.  The brain injured patients and stroke patients might not agree with that.  I hope they have some other function than that because those glials are falling down on the job.
 

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« Reply #47 on: 06/04/2004 18:29:11 »
Quote: "well, humans only use approx 10% of brain as adults!"

A famous myth that seems not to be true.  Check out this website to read more about it.

newbielink:http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html [nonactive]

But I DO know if you ask my wife she'll agree I only use 10% of MY brain. :D

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