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« Reply #25 on: 06/06/2007 11:45:06 »
Socrates old chap  [8D]

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Such as this which will show and tell more about the quantum mathematical science of the Creation = The laws or the Universe

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From this energy field sub atomic particles jump in and out of existence all the time. The material world does not seem to be as solid as we thought it was.

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« Reply #26 on: 06/06/2007 18:51:19 »
The electron and the photon.
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Interesting article by Richard Gauthier:

"Superluminal Quantum Models
of the Electron and the Photon."

www.superluminalquantum.org
Richard Gauthier.
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« Reply #27 on: 07/06/2007 06:28:00 »
Photon and Electron Models.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6510382465200639493
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« Reply #28 on: 10/06/2007 14:53:41 »
About gravitation particles & star formation.
============.
We supposed that graviton particles:
a)
Theoretically predicted but never observed ( a hypothetical
particle ) with no electric charge and no mass is supposed
to be responsible for the gravitational interaction between
 matter and energy.
b)
A hypothetical elementary particle is responsible
for the effects of gravity (the quantum of gravitation ).
It means, that  the initial gravitational mass of stars
and planets is created  from gravitation particles .

Nobody knows :
“What  geometrical and physical parameters
can gravitation particle have ?”
The  Einstein’s GRT doesn’t explain
which particles create a gravitation field.
I will try to explain it.
======.
1.
Where has the first material gravitation  particle appeared from ?

Now it is considered, that reference frame which
 is connected with relict isotropic radiation
T = 2,7K is absolute.
But T = 2,7K is not a constant factor.
This relict isotropic radiation continues to increase and
its temperature will decrease.
And, hence, approximately over a period of
20 billions years it will reach T=0K.
 
Therefore the gravitation particle can appears from
Nothing, from Vacuum, from Absolute Zero: T=0K?

Let us take some area of Vacuum (T=0K)
and mark it with letter R.
The number of particles in this area of Vacuum
 we will mark with letter N.
Then every particle of this area has
 gravity/ mass of rest: R/N= k.
2.
Can they have volume?"
No.
Because according to  J. Charles law ( 1787),
when the temperature falls down on 1 degree
the volume decreases on 1/273. And when the
 temperature reaches -273 degree the volume
disappears. The physicists say, if the particle
 has completely lost its volume
the physical parameters of particles become infinite.
But such statement  contradicts the
"Law of conservation and transformation energy".
And then we must understand that the sense of the
"Law of conservation and transformation energy" is.
We should understand and accept that
when volume of the particles disappears
 they become  "indefinitely flat figures ".
What do "indefinitely flat figures " mean?
They mean, that we cannot reach Absolute Vacuum T=0K
and we also cannot reach density of the particle in the T=0K.
The “ Charles law” was confirmed by other physicists:
Gay-Lussac ( 1802), W. Nernst ( 1910), A. Einstein ( 1925) .
These " flat figures " have the geometrical form
of a circle,  as from all flat figures  the circle has the most
optimal form:  C/D= pi = 3,14.

These R/N= k particles are initial gravitational particles.
============.

Which is common condition of gravitation?
1.
Let us suppose that in some local sphere of Vacuum
 the quantity of the passive particles ( k) that is equal to
the number Avogadro N was found.
Then according to the principle of Boltzmann,
the gathering of the particles in some local sphere of Vacuum
 has a probable basis:  S= klnW.
It is  common condition of gravitation.
================.

How did from these gravitation particles (k )
the first material particles appear ?

1.
The first material particles was called “helium”, because
helium exist very – very near absolute zero: T=0K.
Nobody knows what  helium is.( !)
Why?
Because the behavior of helium is absolutely different
from all another elements of Nature. ( !)
!!!!
I will try to explain, how the helium
was created from R/N=k.
2.
The helium exist very near absolute zero: T=0K.
Therefore we must  take in attention the processes
of superfluids and superconductors , which require extremely
low temperatures , approximately 0K.
3.
Then , the first particles which were created
from  R/N =k  could be helium II ( He II ),
which created temperature 2,7K.
4.
Then , the second particles which were created
from  helium II ( He II ),  could be helium I ( He I ),
which created temperature 4,2K.
/ Kapitza / Landau theory./
5.
And then all the system comes to rotary movement.
But helium rotates differently from all other liquids.
If one rotates helium very strongly, it starts to behave not as liquid
but as elastic body
 (experience of E.L. Àndronikashvili. /Georgia./ ).
Separate layers of helium become elastic ropes that change
the picture of quiet uniform rotation completely.
In such rotation sharp friction between different
layers of the liquid originates. From rotary elastic ropes
 the slices of substance  of various size come off.
Further they break to particles that received
 the names of Helium-three  3He  and Helium-four  4He. 
The common thermal temperature in liquid increases .

Rotation and collision of the particles  3He  and  4He  at some
stage leads  to their further crush to small particles, that received
the name of the nucleus of hydrogen atom- proton (p).
Protons are initial, the smallest, material particles.

The most widespread elements in stars are helium and hydrogen.
Our Sun consists of helium to  30%  and of hydrogen to  69%.
Ii was found that in external layers of our Sun on 1kg of hydrogen
 it was  necessary 270g of helium. In deeper layers on 1kg of hydrogen
 it is necessary 590g of helium.
Thus it is deeper into Sun  it is more helium.
And in the central area of Sun helium-II, helium-I are found.
The reaction between (k ) , helium and
hydrogen go basically on the Sun.
 All the elements of the material substance
 are created from the initial particles (k) and helium.
==============.

How does all the system come to rotary movement ?

1.
If gravitation-particles  fly to different sides,
they can not create the initial gravitational mass of planets, stars.
It means, that any unknown power collects the gravitation
particles  together  and gives to them the movement in one direction.
As a result of this common movement of all gravitation
particles (k )  in one direction the initial gravitational mass
 of planets and stars is created.
What power can gather all particles together?
2.
Classic physics asserts, that in a Vacuum T=0K the motion
 of particles stops, and the energy of Vacuum is equal to zero.
The quantum physics asserts, that in a Vacuum T=0K there is
 motion of particles, and the energy of Vacuum is not zero.
Therefore, let us take some energy area of Vacuum and
mark it with letter E.
The mass of this energy area of Vacuum we will
 mark with letter M.
Then every particle of this area has energy/mass of rest:
 E/M= c^2,  ( E=Mc^2,  M=Ec^2.)
3.
As this particle is in the state of rest condition
 it impulse is equal to zero ( h=0).
4.
But this particle can change its state of rest condition.
If the particle has impulse of Goudsmit -Uhlenbeck h= h/2pi,
 its energy will be: E=hw
The thermal balance of Vacuum will be disturbed.
 The actively rotating particle with energy E=hw gibes the
 movement of surrounding  passive  particles  R/N=k and
a gravitational field begins to create.
And the source of a gravitational field is an active electron  E=hw.
 The remaining particles R/N=k are passive participants
(victims) of the creating  gravitation field.
============.
The stars are formed by the scheme:
e- --k --He II-- He I --rotating He--thermonuclear reaction – р…
The Second law of thermodynamics doesn’t forbid this process.   
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« Reply #29 on: 18/06/2007 16:58:17 »

About gravitation particles & star formation.
============.
We supposed that graviton particles:
a)
Theoretically predicted but never observed ( a hypothetical
particle ) with no electric charge and no mass is supposed
to be responsible for the gravitational interaction between
 matter and energy.
b)
A hypothetical elementary particle is responsible
for the effects of gravity (the quantum of gravitation ).
It means, that  the initial gravitational mass of stars
and planets is created  from gravitation particles .

I totally disagree with the idea!

Nobody knows :
“What  geometrical and physical parameters
can gravitation particle have ?”
The  Einstein’s GRT doesn’t explain
which particles create a gravitation field.
I will try to explain it.
======.
1.
Where has the first material gravitation  particle appeared from ?

Now it is considered, that reference frame which
 is connected with relict isotropic radiation
T = 2,7K is absolute.
But T = 2,7K is not a constant factor.
This relict isotropic radiation continues to increase and
its temperature will decrease.
And, hence, approximately over a period of
20 billions years it will reach T=0K.
 
Therefore the gravitation particle can appears from
Nothing, from Vacuum, from Absolute Zero: T=0K?

Let us take some area of Vacuum (T=0K)
and mark it with letter R.
The number of particles in this area of Vacuum
 we will mark with letter N.
Then every particle of this area has
 gravity/ mass of rest: R/N= k.
2.
Can they have volume?"
No.
Because according to  J. Charles law ( 1787),
when the temperature falls down on 1 degree
the volume decreases on 1/273. And when the
 temperature reaches -273 degree the volume
disappears. The physicists say, if the particle
 has completely lost its volume
the physical parameters of particles become infinite.
But such statement  contradicts the
"Law of conservation and transformation energy".
And then we must understand that the sense of the
"Law of conservation and transformation energy" is.
We should understand and accept that
when volume of the particles disappears
 they become  "indefinitely flat figures ".
What do "indefinitely flat figures " mean?
They mean, that we cannot reach Absolute Vacuum T=0K
and we also cannot reach density of the particle in the T=0K.
The “ Charles law” was confirmed by other physicists:
Gay-Lussac ( 1802), W. Nernst ( 1910), A. Einstein ( 1925) .
These " flat figures " have the geometrical form
of a circle,  as from all flat figures  the circle has the most
optimal form:  C/D= pi = 3,14.

These R/N= k particles are initial gravitational particles.
============.

Now I definately do not agree...lol

Which is common condition of gravitation?
1.
Let us suppose that in some local sphere of Vacuum
 the quantity of the passive particles ( k) that is equal to
the number Avogadro N was found.
Then according to the principle of Boltzmann,
the gathering of the particles in some local sphere of Vacuum
 has a probable basis:  S= klnW.
It is  common condition of gravitation.
================.

How did from these gravitation particles (k )
the first material particles appear ?

1.
The first material particles was called “helium”, because
helium exist very – very near absolute zero: T=0K.
Nobody knows what  helium is.( !)
Why?
Because the behavior of helium is absolutely different
from all another elements of Nature. ( !)
!!!!
I will try to explain, how the helium
was created from R/N=k.
2.
The helium exist very near absolute zero: T=0K.
Therefore we must  take in attention the processes
of superfluids and superconductors , which require extremely
low temperatures , approximately 0K.
3.
Then , the first particles which were created
from  R/N =k  could be helium II ( He II ),
which created temperature 2,7K.
4.
Then , the second particles which were created
from  helium II ( He II ),  could be helium I ( He I ),
which created temperature 4,2K.
/ Kapitza / Landau theory./
5.
And then all the system comes to rotary movement.
But helium rotates differently from all other liquids.
If one rotates helium very strongly, it starts to behave not as liquid
but as elastic body
 (experience of E.L. Àndronikashvili. /Georgia./ ).
Separate layers of helium become elastic ropes that change
the picture of quiet uniform rotation completely.
In such rotation sharp friction between different
layers of the liquid originates. From rotary elastic ropes
 the slices of substance  of various size come off.
Further they break to particles that received
 the names of Helium-three  3He  and Helium-four  4He. 
The common thermal temperature in liquid increases .

Rotation and collision of the particles  3He  and  4He  at some
stage leads  to their further crush to small particles, that received
the name of the nucleus of hydrogen atom- proton (p).
Protons are initial, the smallest, material particles.

The most widespread elements in stars are helium and hydrogen.
Our Sun consists of helium to  30%  and of hydrogen to  69%.
Ii was found that in external layers of our Sun on 1kg of hydrogen
 it was  necessary 270g of helium. In deeper layers on 1kg of hydrogen
 it is necessary 590g of helium.
Thus it is deeper into Sun  it is more helium.
And in the central area of Sun helium-II, helium-I are found.
The reaction between (k ) , helium and
hydrogen go basically on the Sun.
 All the elements of the material substance
 are created from the initial particles (k) and helium.
==============.

How does all the system come to rotary movement ?

1.
If gravitation-particles  fly to different sides,
they can not create the initial gravitational mass of planets, stars.
It means, that any unknown power collects the gravitation
particles  together  and gives to them the movement in one direction.
As a result of this common movement of all gravitation
particles (k )  in one direction the initial gravitational mass
 of planets and stars is created.
What power can gather all particles together?
2.
Classic physics asserts, that in a Vacuum T=0K the motion
 of particles stops, and the energy of Vacuum is equal to zero.
The quantum physics asserts, that in a Vacuum T=0K there is
 motion of particles, and the energy of Vacuum is not zero.
Therefore, let us take some energy area of Vacuum and
mark it with letter E.
The mass of this energy area of Vacuum we will
 mark with letter M.
Then every particle of this area has energy/mass of rest:
 E/M= c^2,  ( E=Mc^2,  M=Ec^2.)
3.
As this particle is in the state of rest condition
 it impulse is equal to zero ( h=0).
4.
But this particle can change its state of rest condition.
If the particle has impulse of Goudsmit -Uhlenbeck h= h/2pi,
 its energy will be: E=hw
The thermal balance of Vacuum will be disturbed.
 The actively rotating particle with energy E=hw gibes the
 movement of surrounding  passive  particles  R/N=k and
a gravitational field begins to create.
And the source of a gravitational field is an active electron  E=hw.
 The remaining particles R/N=k are passive participants
(victims) of the creating  gravitation field.
============.
The stars are formed by the scheme:
e- --k --He II-- He I --rotating He--thermonuclear reaction – р…
The Second law of thermodynamics doesn’t forbid this process.   
======================.
http://www.socratus.com
 


Lovely idea, totally incorrect, these particals do not exsist!
« Last Edit: 18/06/2007 17:13:57 by jolly »
 

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« Reply #30 on: 18/06/2007 17:02:04 »
Sacrates

This is true:
 "All truth passes through three stages.
 First.
It is ridiculed.
Second
It is violently opposed.
Third.
It is accepted as being self-evident."
/ Schopenhauer./

May I invite you to visit my post about "Alien or Mutants from other dimensions" because I seem to have some pertinant answers to questions here posed.

I am busy reading the whole of your post and its replies to get to the bottom of what is being discussed and views about that.  Seems to be full of very interesting gems.

Only have a problem with the wasted spaces of folk trying to write a longer post.

I notice you are still a young person and salute your interest in Life the Universe and Everything as stated on your post.  [8D] I hope I meet many intelligent young people like you on this Discussion Forum.

Pleased to meet you.



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LOL, I would love to here about these aliens!
 

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« Reply #31 on: 03/07/2007 22:02:46 »
Some remark about SRT.
==================
The formula E=Mc^2 continues to providethe answers to Physics.
1.
Photon is some " form of energy".
2.
Like a " form of energy" it has the rest energy: E=Mc^2.
3.
This photon has a mass.
But in many books it is written:
"...remember that this (photon,s)energy has mass
in accondance with the equation: M=E/c^2
(mass equal to energy divided by speed squared).
It is not correct.
Why?
Because SRT shows that mass and energy are equivalent:
the property called mass is simple concentrated energy.
In other words massof photon is its energy, and its energy
is its mass, and the distinctionis a simple play of words.
So, the mass of photon is: M=Ec^2 (mass equal to its
potential (rest) energy multiplied (not divided)
 by speed squared).
So, it seems we are in some " fairy ring":
 E=Mc^2 and M= Ec^2.
When the question is:
How does this potential (rest)energy/mass of one photon
become kinetic and active?
Or in another words:
What does the Law of transformation and conservation
energy/mass mean according to one single photon?
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« Reply #32 on: 11/07/2007 05:25:50 »
The first law of universe:
Without universals nothing can be made.

The second law of universe:
UNIVERSALS NOT ONLY MAKE YOURSELF, BUT ALSO MAKE EVERYTHING ELSE.


The third law of universe:
NO THOUGHT ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN YOURSELF WOULD BE MADE WITHOUT THE UNIVERSALS WITH WHICH THE THOUGHTS ABOUT YOURSELF ARE MADE.

The fourth law of universe:
Yourself would not be the difference among the thoughts about Yourself.

The fifth law of universe:
Without universals, Yourself cannot be as "part, whole, equivalence, uniqueness, limit, link, sensation, influence, derivative, origin, condition, rule, intent, and fulfillment."

The sixth law of universe:
Universals cannot make Yourself other than as "part, whole, equivalence, uniqueness, limit, link, sensation, influence, derivative, origin, condition, rule, intent, and fulfillment."

The seventh law of universe:
Without universals, no difference can be made either between Yourself and nothingness or between Yourself and anything other than Yourself.

Source: THOUGHT PREDICTOR
 

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« Reply #33 on: 19/07/2007 00:12:40 »
Action, when the God opens his palm,
have named the “Big Bang”.
And action, when the God compresses his palm,
have named " a  single point”.
Is there a law for that or are you taking the piss?
 

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« Reply #34 on: 10/08/2007 13:54:03 »
Reality begins from Nothing.
Nothing is not Nothing because it has
one simple parameter: T=0K.
When people came to ask Reality what Is It,
IT tell them to study ITS particles .
But nobody studies the T=0K particles... ...... ( ?)
It is pity, because from them........both
the material and immaterial world comes into existence.
 

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« Reply #35 on: 16/08/2007 23:16:19 »
'Honesty is the best policy except when it seems better to lie'. Remember that and you wont go far wrong..
 

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« Reply #36 on: 21/08/2007 12:55:14 »
the first law of the Universe.....S**t happens.

The first rule of forum postings according to pete_inthehills....don't make your post too long 'cos I can't be bothered to read them and then I'll just make some sarcastic comment.


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« Reply #37 on: 30/08/2007 00:47:04 »
Sacrates

This is true:
 "All truth passes through three stages.
 First.
It is ridiculed.
Second
It is violently opposed.
Third.
It is accepted as being self-evident."
/ Schopenhauer./

 
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« Reply #38 on: 17/09/2007 03:01:56 »
sounds like philosophical alchemy to me.

according to Einstein,gravity is a property of space rather than the object in the well.(i thought)

rather like conciousness is a property of the brain, an ``emergent phenomena`` (i reckon)

concerning truth, i think truth is what you make it. the universe is vast and wide and can easily accommodate all things, just don`t expect to be necessarily correct in the final reckoning.

to paraphrase current cosmological thinking, forevery one thing you look at, there are nine other things you can`t even see.

                                                                                                                                         
 

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« Reply #39 on: 02/10/2007 14:32:38 »
Fill the vacuum!!!
 

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