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« on: 19/04/2007 16:53:15 »
A huge light bulb has gone off in my head!!!! ok before you read any more if your are from mexico,canada, or South American then please stop reading for fear of hated remarks,thx.


Ok this is from me (an American) point of view. ok me being from American am in a country with a big army. Now im sure u all know about the rain forest cirsis. my theory to save the rain forest is that first we (america) take over mexico and canada. Then we send all the Mexicans to were Canada wud b and we build nuclear power plants in Mexico. We then build up or nuclear weapons and we go to war with South America and we take over. The nuclear weapons wud b used as a last resort for fear of damaging the rain forest. anyway after we take over south america then we can save the rain forests!!!! [^]


 

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« Reply #1 on: 19/04/2007 17:32:44 »
Are you joking?  ???
 

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« Reply #2 on: 19/04/2007 17:38:59 »
A huge light bulb has gone off in my head!!!! ok before you read any more if your are from mexico,canada, or South American then please stop reading for fear of hated remarks,thx.


Ok this is from me (an American) point of view. ok me being from American am in a country with a big army. Now im sure u all know about the rain forest cirsis. my theory to save the rain forest is that first we (america) take over mexico and canada. Then we send all the Mexicans to were Canada wud b and we build nuclear power plants in Mexico. We then build up or nuclear weapons and we go to war with South America and we take over. The nuclear weapons wud b used as a last resort for fear of damaging the rain forest. anyway after we take over south america then we can save the rain forests!!!! [^]


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« Reply #3 on: 19/04/2007 17:59:45 »
no honsetly we take over like the places that have rain forest because every minute more and more rain forest is logged to nothing wat do u propose we do about it?
 

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« Reply #4 on: 19/04/2007 18:20:14 »
You sure as hell are not taking over my country thanks. And Mexicans do not fare well in Canadian winters. People from Sweden probably don't fare well in Canadian winters... Bloody American Capitalist crap
 

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« Reply #5 on: 19/04/2007 18:31:52 »
no honsetly we take over like the places that have rain forest because every minute more and more rain forest is logged to nothing wat do u propose we do about it?

Certainly not take over a country or move whole populatins of people from their homes.. wholly cow...isn't their enough war and discontentment without making up some more???
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« Reply #6 on: 19/04/2007 18:44:03 »
no honsetly we take over like the places that have rain forest because every minute more and more rain forest is logged to nothing wat do u propose we do about it?

Certainly not take over a country or move whole populatins of people from their homes.. wholly cow...isn't their enough war and discontentment without making up some more???


Exactly

You would be willing to start a war, where lots of innocent people would die, then build more nuclear plant and not to mention build weapons of mass destruction!!!!

So you would use the nuclear weapons as a last resort, which if you did then the only point of starting a war would be to wipe people out and to take over.........gee, who is that sounding like.
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« Reply #7 on: 19/04/2007 19:08:08 »






no honsetly we take over like the places that have rain forest because every minute more and more rain forest is logged to nothing wat do u propose we do about it?

Certainly not take over a country or move whole populatins of people from their homes.. wholly cow...isn't their enough war and discontentment without making up some more???


Exactly

You would be willing to start a war, where lots of innocent people would die, then build more nuclear plant and not to mention build weapons of mass destruction!!!!

So you would use the nuclear weapons as a last resort, which if you did then the only point of starting a war would be to wipe people out and to take over.........gee, who is that sounding like.
I'm sorry Tony but I totally disagree with you


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« Reply #8 on: 19/04/2007 20:21:27 »
no honsetly we take over like the places that have rain forest because every minute more and more rain forest is logged to nothing wat do u propose we do about it?


On the principle that you don't produce a solution that creates more problems than the one you are trying to solve - I would personally leave well alone.

I have not yet been paniced by all the hysteria about rain forests.

We could just as well decide that the rest of the world should invade the US to stop them consuming all that oil.

Yes, human activity has its effects - but we will live those effects - we have in the past.  The alternative is we simply stop all human activity - not a solution I particularly favour - whether it be to stop the South Americans from doing what they think they need to do to live, or stopping the North Americans from doing what they think they need to do to live.

Incidentally, I notice that you are suggesting shipping all these people up to Canada, just as the USA is doing its utmost to seal its own borders to reduce Mexican immigrantion - is there not just a hint of hypocrisy there.  If the USA were to offer an open invitation to all Mexicans and South Americans to come and live and work in the USA, then you might at least be seen to have a modicum of equitability in your actions, despite the arrogance therein.

It smacks very much of the kind of policy that the US implements in Iraq, where it, by military force, generates a refugee crisis of epic scale, and then grudgingly only allows a few 10's of thousands of Iraqi refugees into its country, while the rest of the world has to deal with the millions.
 

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« Reply #9 on: 20/04/2007 01:35:26 »
Ok this is from me (an American) point of view. ok me being from American am in a country with a big army. Now im sure u all know about the rain forest cirsis. my theory to save the rain forest is that first we (america) take over mexico and canada. Then we send all the Mexicans to were Canada wud b and we build nuclear power plants in Mexico. We then build up or nuclear weapons and we go to war with South America and we take over. The nuclear weapons wud b used as a last resort for fear of damaging the rain forest. anyway after we take over south america then we can save the rain forests!!!! [^]

like has been previously said, this is just plain idiotic!

The USA relies on mexican imigrants for cheap labour, where would your labour come from if all the mexicans were shipped off to Canada?

American interventions in south america have not ended well in the past, if you buil the nukes as a last resort to save the rain forests. what good would setting them off do? you would have no rain forest left to save.

where do you think the timber from rain forests ends up? i would like to bet that a lot of it ends up in the US as furnitue, hardboard sheets.....

lastly, it realy annoys me when people knock americans just for being american. however, you are not making my corner easy to fight. i would keep anymore bright ideas to yourself in future.
 

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« Reply #10 on: 20/04/2007 02:19:01 »
lastly, it realy annoys me when people knock americans just for being american. however, you are not making my corner easy to fight. i would keep anymore bright ideas to yourself in future.

The rest of your comment I would agree with, but this bit I think is uncalled for.

At best, you should give some allowance for age.

Besides that, if someone does have a wrong idea, is it not better to have it discussed than suppressed.
 

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« Reply #11 on: 20/04/2007 02:29:34 »
The rest of your comment I would agree with, but this bit I think is uncalled for.

At best, you should give some allowance for age.

Besides that, if someone does have a wrong idea, is it not better to have it discussed than suppressed.

My apologies George and Tony.

i meant no offence, i just think comments like those expressed here can serve no good and lead to more people questioning the mindset of all americans - afterall people have a tendancy to put all of one nationality in the same barrel.

perhaps a better reply i could have given would be to take a step back before posing the question or your thoughts either orally or written. Afterall, however good your intentions may be any idea of this kind is likely to offend.

once again, i do appologise if my remark offended you Tony. Thanks for pointing that out George.
 

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« Reply #12 on: 20/04/2007 02:48:34 »
I for oneam an american and believe no to americans are perfectly alike, nor do we all share Tony's opinion. LOL I do however believe he has the right to it, and I must also say I don't agree with his opinion and find it terribly bold as I said before outlandish and completely crazy..( Sorry Tony No offence but I think the world has seen enough fighting taking over places military action  and oodles of other things your post would entail to be done at costs in humanity as well as life well being etc etc etc..

I am sitting here thinking we live in america.. I live in northern California home to many of the most magnificent old growth redwood forests you have ever seen and quite frankly they have been harvesting them forever..They also replant.. which is besides the point... It is truely beautiful check out the pictures I posted in the other Thread. None of us want to see it all go, but the answer does not lie in that kind of action, and frankly I don't know what should be done but it is not for us to say... I live here and I know how population and the way of life are from one culture to another and to up root and take over someones country because you don't want them to log their own timber their own natural resourses....ooh forget it.. I am completely confused by that kind of mentality..I think that we need to clean up our own back yard and worry about what is here under our own noses and just be available should they ever ask our opinion about it or want our help..etc.. I am stepping out of this it's too sticky for me.. But I must say I am with paul George and meg on this one.. Perhaps you could do some work in the rainforests go there see how they live what the culture is like and learn more before you really decide how you feel! You could be an exchange student!!
 

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« Reply #13 on: 20/04/2007 12:58:17 »
Im not trying to be mean ppl!!! im trying to think of a way to save all of our butts!!! [:(!]grrr... If we dont start saving the rain forests are very existance is in trouble!!!! [:(!] >:( [xx(]
 

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« Reply #14 on: 20/04/2007 13:12:01 »
Im not trying to be mean ppl!!! im trying to think of a way to save all of our butts!!! [:(!]grrr... If we dont start saving the rain forests are very existance is in trouble!!!! [:(!] >:( [xx(]


WHAT THE H*** YOU F***IN' DUMBA**. Have you not sense of reason? You're solution is to take over the whole freakin' left hemishpere! If we did this, we are no better than terrorists.

I have an idea. How about we try to educate the developing country to stop what their doing. NOT ENSLAVE THEM!!!!!!!!!
 

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« Reply #15 on: 20/04/2007 13:14:09 »
You sure as hell are not taking over my country thanks. And Mexicans do not fare well in Canadian winters. People from Sweden probably don't fare well in Canadian winters... Bloody American Capitalist crap

Hey, Elegantlywasted, I hope you don't think all Americans are like this. Most of us actually have COMMON SENSE! I apologize for my colleagues outlandish suggestion.
 

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« Reply #16 on: 20/04/2007 14:04:54 »
If we dont start saving the rain forests are very existance is in trouble!!!! [:(!] >:( [xx(]

Would you like to show this with real evidence, rather than merely stating it as an assertion.

Some people have put forward that conclusion, amongst all the others (like unless Americans stop using their motor cars so much, and stop flying everywhere, etc. we shall all be doomed).

Real evidence as to what fate actually has in store for us is a little thin on the ground - and certainly not known with such certainty that we should start panicing and dropping nukes on people.

Unfortunately, as I have said before, environmentalism is taking on all the manifestations of a religion - like you don't actually need to prove something in order to believe it; like you can righteously kill people who don't follow your particular faith.
 

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« Reply #17 on: 20/04/2007 14:27:59 »
Well..I'm convinced !  ;)
 

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« Reply #18 on: 20/04/2007 14:34:11 »
think about it ok forget the taking over mexico and canada, i see that i didnt think that thru...but if we mayb buy PEACEFULLY the rain forests of South America then we cud save all the many animals and plants that havent even been discovered yet
 

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« Reply #19 on: 20/04/2007 14:43:31 »
think about it ok forget the taking over mexico and canada, i see that i didnt think that thru...but if we mayb buy PEACEFULLY the rain forests of South America then we cud save all the many animals and plants that havent even been discovered yet


There used to be, and for all I know they are still there, various charities that were trying to do just that - buy up rainforest so they could be preserved.

At least that way you in some way compensate the local inhabitance for the money they could have made by chopping down the rainforests.  Ofcourse, on thing you might like to make sure is that the money you pay is actually going to the people who would have benefited from the rainforest (e.g. farmers), and not just to government officials who might be selling the land and pocketing the money.
 

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« Reply #20 on: 20/04/2007 15:10:16 »
The following is what came up from a quick google for projects where you can purchase rainforest.

I make no recommendation, only to say they are there (as I have no doubt are many others), if you want to put your money where your mouth is.

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The World Land Trust is a conservation charity that has helped purchase and protect over 300,000 acres of rainforest and other threatened wildlife habitats worldwide. You can help us save even more.

25 Protects One Acre of Rainforest or Steppe in a REAL Place, FOREVER.

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We purchase, lease and manage, for protection, threatened native forest with exceptional biodiversity. If land is purchased this is usually done in the name of our partner organisations or local communities in the countries concerned.

Much of our work concerns the creation of protected corridors of forest between existing reserves to avoid the risk of the creation of isolated fragments of forest with a diminishing gene pool. 

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Thank you for your interest in helping World Land Trust-US (WLT-US) and its partners protect some of the most endangered species and habitat on earth!

Your tax-deductible donation goes directly to assist local organizations to purchase lands around the world that, when protected, halt species extinction and preserve biodiversity.

Or, for a slightly different version:

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What happens when I click on the "save land" button? Does this cost me anything?

    There is no monetary cost to you. Our computer server records a contribution to the project you selected. You make this contribution possible by viewing ad banners from the sponsors of that project. All money is paid by the sponsors. The contribution occurs when you click on the "Save Land for Free" button. Your browser must have cookies enabled and support JavaScript for your contribution to be recorded and credited to you, although each click is counted towards saving land whether or not you have cookies enabled or support Java script. When you visit the sponsor's site, the sponsor's contribution is usually doubled.

Do I have to register?

    No, but if you do, CharityUSA will contribute 500 square feet of Amazon Basin Rainforest in your name and keep a running tally of all the land that you have been responsible for preserving. This registration requires only your name, country, postal code, and e-mail. If you click 'shop' from EcologyFund, you will go to Shop for Acres where no registration is needed.
 

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« Reply #21 on: 20/04/2007 15:54:01 »
Im not trying to be mean ppl!!! im trying to think of a way to save all of our butts!!! [:(!]grrr... If we dont start saving the rain forests are very existance is in trouble!!!! [:(!] >:( [xx(]

I know you are not Tony.. That is great.. What we all need to do continue to have ideas and thoughts about how to find alternative resolve for the problems that are happening. We just can't go about it in those ways. We have to consider options that are humane and take in the best interest of everyone.. The rainforest is incredible, and it is sad I agreee just as harvesting all the Redwoods here, but if we want to stop we need to find an alternative which is acceptable and rational also. I know you are not being mean.. just keep your thinking cap on and keep problem solving who knows, Maybe one day It will be you who finds the right way to help with this problem!
 

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« Reply #22 on: 20/04/2007 15:56:49 »
George those are wonderful!!! Thanks.. Wouldn't that be extrordinary to contribute to such a cause!!
 

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« Reply #23 on: 20/04/2007 16:22:27 »
Whew, I look back at my post and I didn't realize how mad I could get! oh well, it's water under the bridge. 

Buying rainforest is a wonderful idea...but there's a lot of it, and it take a lot of money.

Unless we traded rainforest for food. We give them food, They give us rainforest.

The main reason they cut it down is for farmland and food anyway.
 

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« Reply #24 on: 20/04/2007 16:36:37 »
Whew, I look back at my post and I didn't realize how mad I could get! oh well, it's water under the bridge. 

Buying rainforest is a wonderful idea...but there's a lot of it, and it take a lot of money.



It is a lot of money, but there are no cheap solutions, which is why you may want to make sure it is the right solution before you spend lots of money on it.

The trouble is that it becomes so much easier to pretend its cheap when you can get somebody else to pay for it.

Unless we traded rainforest for food. We give them food, They give us rainforest.

How is that cheaper.  If you are giving a fair price for it, it is the same whether you pay it in food or pay it in cash.  The only way it gets cheaper is if you cheat the buyer out of getting a fair price for what he owns.

The main reason they cut it down is for farmland and food anyway.

This is true, but if the guy is a farmer, then he wants to earn a living by farming, he does not want to live off charitable handouts.

Maybe if you give him enough money that he can invest in starting a business that will earn him money another way, then he can sell up his farm and still keep his self esteem.
 

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