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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #50 on: 17/04/2005 23:49:01 »
I had a look at the published articles section, and of the articles that I could read (not in .exe format..) and the only one that seemed like sensible research and not just publicity material had this results section
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None of the three groups of mice experienced any differences in the measurable size or progression of their implanted tumors. There were no differences between either the “north” or the “south” conditions. Neither one of these had any significant differences in the tumor size or weight compared to the mice in the control group that were not exposed to a magnetic field from a real magnet underneath the cage.


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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #51 on: 18/04/2005 16:34:33 »
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you can begin to learn of the many factual and reproducible experiments conducted there

Mmm. I don't say there *aren't* factual, reproducible results out there... but the (not very positive) results section Dave quotes is indeed the only set of results I managed to find on this site for which there is any information about the methods of the research. The other experiments Mr. Futura refers to are mentioned in the introduction.
If the experiment using weak fields and T-cell-less mice didn't work (in 1993) then I'd be interested to read about the follow-up research using mice with T-cells and/or stronger fields.
The feeling I took away from reading that paper was very much that if that was the most positive paper the website authors could find to post then I wasn't convinced.
If they *could* find more positive material, why weren't they posting it, or at least referencing it in their articles list for people to look up if they're interested?
 

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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #52 on: 18/04/2005 20:37:12 »
Something a bit odd is going on here with the board.
My "new posts" view has shown posts from Mr. Futura at least three times since my last post, the latest at 20:30, but I can't actually see any of them.
 

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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #53 on: 01/05/2005 05:05:49 »
I understand that there is very little scientific proof that magnetic therapy actually works. I've been trying to find if there were any on the internet. I managed to find articles whereby people condemn the product and the concept behind it and I also found testimonials by satisfied customers. I've also seen a video about a doctor using magnetic therapy on his patients and actually helping them. It also came to my attenion that 2 people I know, one a diabetic and the other with hepatitis B got cured. HOW DID THAT HAPPEN????? I'm confused... I was definitely astounded with that fact, but I still do not know what kind of conlusion to make about magnetic therapy.
 

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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #54 on: 18/05/2005 20:39:46 »
If you'd like to read about some magnet therapy studies, go to newbielink:http://www.therionresearch.com [nonactive]. They have many of them on their website. Still, the best source of information is the Albert Roy Davis Research Laboratory ( newbielink:http://www.magnetlabs.com [nonactive]). They've been doing research for nearly 70 years. Davis was the first scientist in the world to discover that magnetism consists of two separate and distinct energies, not one. You must be absolutely certain that you are not being exposed to the South pole energy, whether you're using a static magnet or an electromagnet. South pole energy is very dangerous. If you buy magnets, buy unipolar ceramic magnets. ONLY the North pole of a magnet should be used. The small neodymium magnets are not very effective. They're too small and they don't put out a strong magnetic field.
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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #55 on: 19/05/2005 22:40:08 »
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Originally posted by Donnah

Anybody know about magnetism and magnetic therapy?  Or how magnetism affects the human body?

hi magnetism is supposed to increase blood flow to the affected/injured part therefore healing it quicker.
i use magnets alot and am beginning to be attracted to them (ha ha) no seriously they do work.
ta ta x:D[:p]
 

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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #56 on: 08/12/2005 23:12:54 »
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Originally posted by Ylide

Yeah, Alice, you're absolutely right.  Your body generally maintains its pH balance on its own just fine.  If it didn't, you'd have bigger issues than just arthritis and fatigue.  pH is maintained by a carbonate/carbonic acid buffer system in your blood.  CO2 from respiration is generated continually, which them partially dissociates to form carbonate and bicarbonate, the other half of the buffer.  None of these substances are paramagnetic.  (i.e. they are not affected by a magnetic field)

They're claiming to catalyze biochemical reactions in the body with a little wrist magnet...I can't believe that it's even legal to make that claim.



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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #57 on: 08/12/2005 23:30:18 »
Ylide,
Author Robert R. Barefoot (The Calcium Factor)says on page 100 of his book: "The magnetic field induces the [calcium] bicarbonate bonding to bend and break producing hydroxides, thereby creating a negative, or alkaline pH extracellular fluid." Then on page 105 para. 2, he adds: "The earth's one gauss magnetic field has the effect of causing the pH of the extracellular fluids to "gently rise" similar to the effects of the magnetic beds, as bicarbonates and carbonates are converted to hydroxides and soluble carbon dioxide.  For example, when water at a pH of 7.5 is passed through a 7000 gauss magnetic field, its pH dramatically increases to about 9.2."

My question is two-fold:  Does calcium bicarbonate break into hydroxides and CO2; and if so will a low gauss, nonalternating magnetic field be conducive to proper blood pH?

Thanks,
M. Cameron
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Originally posted by Ylide

Yeah, Alice, you're absolutely right.  Your body generally maintains its pH balance on its own just fine.  If it didn't, you'd have bigger issues than just arthritis and fatigue.  pH is maintained by a carbonate/carbonic acid buffer system in your blood.  CO2 from respiration is generated continually, which them partially dissociates to form carbonate and bicarbonate, the other half of the buffer.  None of these substances are paramagnetic.  (i.e. they are not affected by a magnetic field)

They're claiming to catalyze biochemical reactions in the body with a little wrist magnet...I can't believe that it's even legal to make that claim.



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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #58 on: 10/12/2005 22:25:49 »
I must admit I find magnetic therapy very attractive......................................sorry !(hee hee)

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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #59 on: 18/12/2005 20:41:21 »
Watches tend to stop if I wear them regularly.  I've been wearing five small hematite bracelets (naturally magnetic) on my watch wrist and that watch still works several months later.  

Andrew K. Fletcher, if we use north polarity in the northern hemisphere, do we use south polarity in the southern hemisphere?

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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #60 on: 22/03/2006 14:21:42 »
For years I have suffered much pain with an arthritic knee and could not work more than a few yards at a time without experiencing great pain. I read an article somewhere about the positive effect of magnets and cutting out any of those expensibe sites selling btacelets etc, I bought a sheet of 6 magnets in the local hardware store very cheaply.
I have stuck a magnetic either side of my knee joint with strong double sided sticky tape. I was amazed that the pain disapeared almost immediately and have been walking now without any pain; even walking a three mile jaunt last week!
The only trouble is that when I took them off, the pain returned!. But as I am only into the 'cure' for three weeks so maybe I might be able to take them off, come the summer, when I have to start wearing shorts!
Forget placebo effect! It really does works for me!
 

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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #61 on: 06/04/2006 16:37:52 »
Hello, I'm very interested in magnets as I'm a student chiropractor. Your chat site had some interesting facts so I thought I'd just go out and buy some magnets and sleep on them to see what affect it has on a healthy body. I've purchased bulk standard fish tank cleaner magnets, pulled them apart and placed them under the sheet of my bed. In total I have 12 2cmx2cm magnets under my sheet and I will increase this by 12 each week for 5 weeks and tell you what has happened. How does that sound?
 
And what do you think will be the outcome ?

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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #62 on: 07/04/2006 22:59:59 »
>Hello, I'm very interested in magnets as I'm a student chiropractor....

>And what do you think will be the outcome ?

Most likely, in about ten years you will recall your experiment and say to yourself, "What the heck was I thinking?"

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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #63 on: 10/04/2006 03:33:23 »
Hey Neil Check out Nikken Products, they should have some statistics and studies done that their products are based on. My husband and I have actually been to many of their little siminar things and at one point became dealers only to help a friend. They really had some compelling statistics. I don't know if it is something you can find out about over there, but I don't see why not. We tried several products and were very impressed. That was a long time ago and we no longer have an interest as far as selling products, but we have used some of them with some sucess. I am interested in more info. I know they had alot more clinical study type things when we were attending. Who knows though, we never went any further then trying some of the products. You recieved quite a discount for buying a yearly membership. Interesting stuff though.
 

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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #64 on: 17/04/2006 09:00:35 »
Okay I know it hasn't been 10 years but my little experiment seems to be gaining structure. I purchased 200  rare earth magnets about the sizr of a 2 pence piece. The individual strength of each magnet is 2500 gauss. I'm wearing 5 on each side of my body and sleeping on 10 durng the night. I'm increasing the amount I sleep on by 10 each week.

So far this has had a very calming effect on my body and I have definately felt a reduction of aches and pains that were in my body. I have not had a total reduction of pain however, and if I do an 18 mile walk I still haveaches but my recovery seems to be quicker.

I know of the company nikken but they do not tell you how many magnets, the type of magnets or the strength of  indivdual magnets in a product therefore the total strength of a product is a mystery.

Are there optimum gauss levels and/or quantities of magnets for individuals?

Do the magnetic suppliers need to be more accurate in thier prescription of magnets to taylor them per user?

Does the effectivness of magnet depend on body mass?

These are just a few questions I have and it seems the more I increase the amount of magnets around me the better I feel, promting more questions WHY



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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #65 on: 01/05/2006 16:47:54 »
Hi Doris,

What magnetic poles have you got facing your body?

Have you been wearing the magnets continually for 24 hrs?

 
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Are there optimum gauss levels and/or quantities of magnets for individuals?


Magnets used in sleep systems are usually ceramic as they are far less costly than the neodymium magnets and can therefore be built in to larger items such as matress pads; each ceramic magnet used in sleep systems are normally above 3,000 core gauss, this promotes relaxation and aids in the stimulation of the pineal gland.

Depending on the size of your matress, determines the amount of static magnets in the pad, i.e a kingsize pad will have more than a single size pad.

I have a single pad on my bed that contains 300 magnets with a 3,950 core gauss / 800-1100 surface gauss.

 
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Do the magnetic suppliers need to be more accurate in thier prescription of magnets to taylor them per user?



A lot of magnetic therapy suppliers are sales people and have done little or no training in the field of biomagnetic therapy and therefore  should not give advice on how to use them for medical or therapeutical purpouses.

The rule of thumb is to listen to your own body, only you can tell whether the magnets have had any effect on your body.

You can either place negative pole magnets on the point of pain for 15-20 minutes twice a day for a couple of weeks or untill a complete reduction in pain is noticed.

Or you could keep the magnet on for 24 hrs untill a reduction in pain is noticed.

If wearing a magnet for a considered length of time, take a few days off as to prevent your body becoming accustomed to the magnetic energy.

 
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Does the effectivness of magnet depend on body mass?


Not really, top quallity neodymium magnets with a CORE rating of 12,300 gauss and a SURFACE gauss of 1,200 have an impact of 3-6 inches on the skin in both radius and depth of penetration.


Remember the human body is an incredible piece of equipement and can often repair itself, magnet therapy may be able assist with this process.


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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #66 on: 01/05/2006 19:30:40 »
Until a few years ago I was highly skeptical towards the claims of health benefits from magnetic therapy and then as part of my previous job i got to regularly visit a company selling MagneTech products. After a while i got to know the owner and so i voiced my  opinions in an honest but polite way not wishing to upset him.
He listened and said it was OK as most people have the same opinion as me and only change their minds when they use magnetic therapy usually as a last resort.

He then took me into his dispatch office and showed me the walls which were totally covered with letters from people from all around the world thanking his company for their help and how their products had relieved there symptoms after many years of suffering often after their doctors couldn't help except for prescribing pain relief. He then opened a filing cabinet and showed me hundreds more, there were draws full of them.

Even so i'm still not totally convinced as there could be things like the placebo effect going on but now at least i would be prepared to use magnetic therapy products as a last resort whereas before i wouldn't have even entertained the idea.

Maybe if it wern t for the high cost of the products then more people would try magnetic therapy and then maybe we would know whether there is any truth behind the health benifit claims.

Michael
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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #67 on: 01/05/2006 20:16:50 »
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Even so i'm still not totally convinced as there could be things like the placebo effect going on but now at least i would be prepared to use magnetic therapy products as a last resort whereas before i wouldn't have even entertained the idea.


If you tell a human that something will work, then most of the time it will (or at least they belive it will), if you could bottle and sell the placebo effect then you would be a rich man:D.

But animals have no idea about the placebo effect, horses have been treated with magnet therapy with good results.

Now the argument could be that the injury may have healed by itself, but magnets may benefit this process.

The NHS has recently approved the use of magnetic wraps in the treatment of leg ulcers, so hopefully more methods of magnetic treatments will be approved by them in the near future.

Providing the negative pole of the magnet is used towards the body, then magnet therapy is safe to use, excluding the following: pregnant and lactating women. People fitted with a battery operated implant such as a pace maker, defibrillators, insulin pumps or other electro-insulin devices. People fitted with cobalt based implants.

Magnet Therapy will either work for you or it will not.



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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #68 on: 07/05/2006 19:42:05 »
Greg I've now read up on neodymium, cobalt and a assortment of other magnets. I'm using N45 25mm dia x 3mm discs. I am as you suggested using the north facing pole to my body and I'm now sleeping on 80 magnets that I purchased directly from a magnet supplier for 0.42pence each.

I have also conducted some other experiments using stronger magnets positioned on the body and then introduced ethanol (alcohol) to the body to see if it had any affect on reducing toxins.

I was abosolutely amazed with the outcome and more experiments will follow, without a doubt.[:0]

I have been without pain since I started using the neodymium magnets and have a considerable success with friends who are willing to experiment with me. This is NOT expensive at all if you go direct to the supplier and avoid using fancy labled products were the company have put thier logo on a magnet.[8D]

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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #69 on: 08/07/2006 18:09:55 »
I have been using magnets for several years with good success,as a part of a Kinesiology session. The magnets are low strength ,about 250 gz- but several are used at the same time in conjunction with stimulating acupuncture points.
I don't recommend wearing or sleeping with strong magnets and also not to use purely for pain relief without looking at the underlying reasons for pain as its the way our body communicates with us!
Hope this is of interest,
Jay
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Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #70 on: 25/11/2011 13:45:49 »
Hello friends!
I want to post little bit infomation about it
Magnetotherapy is the application of static, variable and pulse magnetic fields  with various characteristics for curative and preventive effect.

Magnetotherapy  is one of the oldest therapeutic methods along with photo- and thermotherapy used for the treatment of different diseases.

Magneto-therapy could be really effective only if you use it properly.Anyway read about if first and after that you can make your own opinion
As for me I read information here [Spam-/garbage- link removed] .So REMEMBER,LEARN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN FIRST.
Regards Hazel

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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #71 on: 24/01/2012 16:09:10 »
So, a lot of conflicting information here. Some say North pole, some say South, some say positive some say negative.
One says it either works for you or it doesn't.
I can see strong AC current electromagnetism is used for wound healing and stimulating the body's own repair systems for bone fractures, by some mainstream medical practicioners (after all, it can't do any harm can it?) but can you really liken a static wristband magnet to a strong AC field? There's a lot of pseudoscience going on which is clouding a sensible, reasoned debate here, and there's a lot of placebo power going on which I suspect is the over-riding contributory factor.
 

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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #72 on: 25/01/2012 16:43:54 »
This from Ben Goldacre's Bad Science Blog:"Amusing to see that the NHS Prescription Pricing Authority have apparently put Magnet Bandages on the formulary:
www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2058902,00.html
(Even more amusing to see the Times mentioning that old “iron in blood is magnetic” chestnut again).
What’s interesting to me about this is that it may be the first time the PPA have put something on the NHS formulary on cost effectiveness grounds, but in the full knowledge that it very demonstrably, in well conducted trials, only works as a placebo, as the recent BMJ paper (amongst others) showed.
I ought to say I have no problem with placebos, I think they’re very effective, and it’s very much a contemporary cultural peculiarity that means medics don’t make use of the effect any more."
 

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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #73 on: 25/01/2012 19:17:36 »
"and it certainly can't hurt "
except financially,
and by lulling people into a false sense of security and by undermining the importance of clear thinking.
 

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Re: Magnetic Therapy
« Reply #74 on: 25/01/2012 23:12:41 »
There's the paradox. No disputing the Placebo effect is well documented and very powerful, but it relies on people believing it, not understanding it is a placebo. It's like the tooth fairy, as soon as you don't believe and see the lack of firm proper science behind it, you cease to get the coin under the pillow. Without the buy-in the effect loses its power. Where it goes astray morally is where companies prey on this to extract large sums of money from people. Yet if the sums are significant, and the treatments more intrusive,  the studies (reported in Ben's book) tend to show the placebo effect works even stronger as the buy-in is greater.
Sadly I think its a load of bunkum so it will never work for me.
 

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