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Kirlian photography... Science fact or error.
« on: 11/05/2004 18:25:40 »
What do you think fellows, is Kirlian photography and life aura real or a long held error or hoax? Some say that if you take a freshly cut live leaf and Kirlian camera photograph it, that it has a full leaf impression or ghost. Some others say this is a hoax and that the other photos come out because of moisture from the subject on the emulsion. However quartz crystals are dry, and they are dead. So why should a dead object have an aura?

What do you say? And please post links for there are some good ones full of pictures which I have lost.


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Re: Kirlian photography... Science fact or error.
« Reply #1 on: 11/05/2004 19:12:27 »
I've done some cursory research on Kirlian photography and came to the conclusion that the photographs show something.  However, no one has a clue as to what they show.  Knowing what I do about electricity and conductivity, I suspect that the film is registering the electromagnetic field that is induced in the lossy material by the high voltages applied during the session.  This has nothing to do with whether the material is alive or dead, only with the conductive properties (which are fairly unique in living tissues).  

A freshly cut leaf would for all intents and purposes still be alive because it still contains the moisture and cell structure.  Again, it the interaction of the moisture, the other constituents of the material, and the high voltage that creates the "aura".

So, the aura changes with a persons mental state.  It is well documented that a persons skin conductivity changes in response to mental and emotional state.  This is the basis for polygraph tests.  This would change the aura that is picked up in Kirlian photography.  But you're still left with the fact that no one has a clue what it means or how it correlates to the person's state of mind.

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Re: Kirlian photography... Science fact or error.
« Reply #2 on: 11/05/2004 19:49:08 »
What about the ghost limb effect and Soviet mind control devices? Also the newer ones which are implanted?

Check soviet mind control devices in google and I have looked into the microwave one.

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Re: Kirlian photography... Science fact or error.
« Reply #3 on: 11/05/2004 21:54:47 »
Auras are there all right, I can see them sometimes.  

One fellow wanted me to tell him the color of his aura, and it was blue.  Suddenly I saw a blob of orange come and go on his head.  Turns out he was testing me and thought a violent thought when I saw the orange.
 

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Re: Kirlian photography... Science fact or error.
« Reply #4 on: 12/05/2004 03:21:35 »
I don't know....I'll admit to being a skeptic but not necessarily a non-believer.

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Re: Kirlian photography... Science fact or error.
« Reply #5 on: 12/05/2004 04:19:26 »
An area I've always had an interest in. I went to a Lutheran high school and would often meditate during chapel in the mornings. If I was focusing a particular person, usually the pastor talking up the front I would often see their aura.

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Re: Kirlian photography... Science fact or error.
« Reply #6 on: 13/05/2004 03:23:46 »
Is seeing an aura around a person the same as Kirlian photography?  Related?

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Re: Kirlian photography... Science fact or error.
« Reply #7 on: 13/05/2004 23:57:21 »
That's what I wonder.  Does the Kirlian photography refelct the same colors that those who see auras see?
 

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Re: Kirlian photography... Science fact or error.
« Reply #8 on: 14/05/2004 04:43:27 »
Sorry to be a dunce, but can someone please explain what Kirlian photography actually involves ?

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Re: Kirlian photography... Science fact or error.
« Reply #9 on: 14/05/2004 17:11:41 »
quote:
Originally posted by chris

Sorry to be a dunce, but can someone please explain what Kirlian photography actually involves ?

Chris

Ya, sure Mensa Man, like you're a dunce![:p]

Try http://www.kirlian.org/ they have some interesting looking stuff there.  Check out the GDV Computerized Kirlian Camera, they have a good explanation on that page.
 

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Re: Kirlian photography... Science fact or error.
« Reply #10 on: 16/06/2004 14:36:30 »
i think the aura thing maybe true. some people seem to be like a particular colour, like i do think some of my friends seem to belong to a red colour

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Re: Kirlian photography... Science fact or error.
« Reply #11 on: 16/06/2004 15:02:19 »
Random thought:

Synaesthesia is a condition where senses are linked - so that you literally taste a colour, or letters/numbers/words have colours.

There have been cases where people have linked face-recognition to colours. I wonder whether this could be something to do with it? Wouldn't explain stuff changing colour though.

What I don't understand is, if auras are real and there are people who can see them, why can't you just do experiments to show this? Especially if they are meant to be the same colour no matter who views them. I have an open mind but the lack of hard evidence does make me tend heavily to the sceptical side.
 

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Re: Kirlian photography... Science fact or error.
« Reply #12 on: 17/06/2004 00:02:51 »
quote:
Originally posted by chris

Sorry to be a dunce, but can someone please explain what Kirlian photography actually involves ?

Chris

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I second that!  I've heard of auras and that such, but never that type of photography, please explain[8D]

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Re: Kirlian photography... Science fact or error.
« Reply #13 on: 17/06/2004 03:46:46 »
I believe it's done using film that is sensitive to the electrical/magnetic fields that surround the human body.  The real step to validating it is determining if there is any correlation between illness/mood/whatever to changes in the direction and intensity of the fields.  I don't believe a lot of research has been done in this area.



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Re: Kirlian photography... Science fact or error.
« Reply #14 on: 17/06/2004 07:00:00 »
quote:
Originally posted by valley

Random thought:

Synaesthesia is a condition where senses are linked - so that you literally taste a colour, or letters/numbers/words have colours.

There have been cases where people have linked face-recognition to colours. I wonder whether this could be something to do with it? Wouldn't explain stuff changing colour though.

What I don't understand is, if auras are real and there are people who can see them, why can't you just do experiments to show this? Especially if they are meant to be the same colour no matter who views them. I have an open mind but the lack of hard evidence does make me tend heavily to the sceptical side.



i don't think i have synaesthesia =/ i mean i know alot of my peers also think in that way --that a particular person fits a particular colour
 

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Re: Kirlian photography... Science fact or error.
« Reply #15 on: 24/06/2004 14:32:09 »
well this is true there is something as aura and you can also see your aura and the aura of other ppls if you have the ability to see in 4th dimension and there are workshop held world wide with the name the mind power and in that workshop you will experience these things if you ever have the incidence to see any mind power workshop you will find it
 

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Re: Kirlian photography... Science fact or error.
« Reply #16 on: 24/06/2004 14:43:47 »
aura has many colours and it depends upon the purity of ones heart and the ones peresent condition
 

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Re: Kirlian photography... Science fact or error.
« Reply #17 on: 24/06/2004 16:54:25 »
And your evidence for this claim is....?

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Re: Kirlian photography... Science fact or error.
« Reply #18 on: 25/06/2004 14:53:13 »
The evidence is you know the kirlian photography
 

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