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A man – animal will be create in England .
« on: 06/09/2007 12:24:49 »
A man – animal will be create in England .
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On September 4 2007  I have read on the sait:
http://kp.ru/online/news/32267/

In future a man – animal will be create in England .
Cloning of the people is forbidden all over the world.
……….. But the British government is going to permit its
scientists to create hybrid  …..man - animal.
If this crossing passes successfully……… it will be
 used for treatment of illness….… and traumas of a spinal cord.
.........The sociological interrogation testify .....
 the inhabitants of Britain generally do not object to realization
 of such experiences.
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My comment.

I think this British decision is connected with:
a) the British inhabitants are afraid of terrorists
 so much that they need sphinxes for guard.
b) or maybe, the British establishment bored to ride
 horses and they decided to change them into centaurs.

And they found a very good excuse for their decision:
“the cloning man – animal will help to treat people”.
And so , it will be taken as a scientific progress.

In 1945 the nazi- doctors were considered as criminal
 for men’s experiments. Isn’t it the same?

Did the situation really happen by chance?
No. It happened as a result of the development of science.
It happened because paradoxical ideas were put in
the fundament of physics, in the beginning of its appearance.
And now we have a science which is full of paradoxes and
considers that there is nothing Absolute, everything in the
 world is relatively. Therefore, we can wait the next logical
 decision of the British government: ” Maintaining the rights
 of the sexual minority………….( or, maybe, …….
…according to the wishes of British inhabitants )….to permit
 the wedding between people and centaurs and sphinxes.”

Signature:
The Prime-minister………………………
The speaker of Parliament……………
Confirm:
Queen / King of Britain. ……………
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I only hope that because the Universe acts by Quantum’s Laws,
so,  according to " The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle "
this " logical " situation can be changed.
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« Reply #1 on: 06/09/2007 12:45:56 »
They are not going to make some hybrid clone, to go wondering aound the neighbourhood scareing or eating children.

oops, forgot to add picture.



you may also like to read this:
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=9660.msg121620#msg121620

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A man – animal will be create in England .
« Reply #2 on: 06/09/2007 13:18:47 »
Taken from a Russian newspaper - so it must be true
 

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« Reply #3 on: 06/09/2007 14:19:18 »
The technology to make hybrid embryos anywhere in the world exists. In the UK, the decision has been made that for the purposes of stem cell research, a few carefully controlled trials are going to be permitted in the hope of finding useful stem cell therapies without the demand for difficult to come by "spare" human eggs.
I don't think that's a bad thing.
For one thing, the british trials aren't going to allow these embryos to mature, and for another since the cell nucleus is replaced, which dictates the proteins made for cell replication. Any viable organism resulting would be to all intents and purposes a fully human clone.
I don't think human cloning is necessarily a good idea, but that's not going to spell the end of the world either if it does happen, not least because so much of who and what people are is environmentally determined.

Not my area of expertise, I don't understand the practical difficulties and barriers in any depth, but I do have difficulty understanding the hysteria (well, OK, if people are reading stuff like the above then maybe it's just born of misinformation and a tendancy to believe what's in the papers.. but ho hum).
 

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« Reply #4 on: 06/09/2007 16:18:25 »
Another comment.
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I am a resident of England and I am opposed to this hybridation of human-animal, even for research purposes. Firstly, who would want themselves to be an actual blood relation to an animal? Secondly, I'm positive that we have enough technology in this period of time to crate a synthetic man i.e. a computer program that replicates the human defense system against illnesses that affect us.
Why isn't more research being funded into this, then animal testing would stop as well. You just can't extrapolate from animal (or hum-animal) to human. Finally, we shouldn't be messing around with our own DNA or that of any other species. It's what makes individual species unique. If those people who are pushing this forward want it so bad, then why not let them use the most efficient method for treating human illnesses... test the humans who want it so badly.
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« Reply #5 on: 06/09/2007 16:57:34 »
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I heard the CNN report on this. The combination of human e-coli bacteria and frog parts has been done since the 1970s. My question is how can one be certain that development of human (also animal) and animal cellular combos necessitates the sci-fi nightmare Wells envisioned and Xunzian here reminds us of? Couldn't there also be the possibility that such "tampering" with nature could include scientific investigation ethically involved in understanding and relieving us of gentic diseases? Why should I believe these investigators are "natzi's", mad scientists bent on producing life forms that never were just because they can do it, or persons totally oblivious to any lon-ranged implications of their research?
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« Reply #6 on: 06/09/2007 18:39:11 »
The technology to make hybrid embryos anywhere in the world exists. In the UK, the decision has been made that for the purposes of stem cell research, a few carefully controlled trials are going to be permitted in the hope of finding useful stem cell therapies without the demand for difficult to come by "spare" human eggs.
I don't think that's a bad thing.
For one thing, the british trials aren't going to allow these embryos to mature, and for another since the cell nucleus is replaced, which dictates the proteins made for cell replication. Any viable organism resulting would be to all intents and purposes a fully human clone.
I don't think human cloning is necessarily a good idea, but that's not going to spell the end of the world either if it does happen, not least because so much of who and what people are is environmentally determined.

Not my area of expertise, I don't understand the practical difficulties and barriers in any depth, but I do have difficulty understanding the hysteria (well, OK, if people are reading stuff like the above then maybe it's just born of misinformation and a tendancy to believe what's in the papers.. but ho hum).

I agree with you Rose... It could be so beneficial for so many people, if the research proves to be valuable for treating or helping people with no other hopes of recovery from particular diseases etc..
 

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« Reply #7 on: 06/09/2007 20:20:35 »
"Firstly, who would want themselves to be an actual blood relation to an animal? "
Get a grip on reallity please. Are all your relations vegetables?
Don't you understand evolution? Even to the extent that man isn't an animal (which is a matter of deffinition) he's still a blood relation to all animals.

"Secondly, I'm positive that we have enough technology in this period of time to crate a synthetic man i.e. a computer program that replicates the human defense system against illnesses that affect us. "
No, we don't. I know some people who work in the field of trying to mathematiacally model humans, just from the point of view of how they metabolise things like drugs. With the baest will in the world I can't say they are any more accurate than the other famous aplication of computer modeling; weather forecastiing.
"Finally, we shouldn't be messing around with our own DNA or that of any other species. It's what makes individual species unique."
We have been messing about with genetics since we started farming.

"If those people who are pushing this forward want it so bad, then why not let them use the most efficient method for treating human illnesses... test the humans who want it so badly"

The people who really badly need cures for these diseases are the people afflicted with them. These people are not common enough to do reproducible statistics with so it's impossible to use humans to do this research in a sensible time frame.
By the way, if you were one of those affected by, for example, Parkinsonism, would you volunteer?

I'm not stupid enough to think that there are not risks involved with this sort of work (though I think they are very small in this case) but I really think you need to look at the potential benefits as well.
 

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« Reply #8 on: 06/09/2007 21:22:39 »
BC has covered quite a lot, without a good pun, which i find disappointing. Anyway, from what i understand, and in really basic terms, what they ARE going to do is:

Make human - cow hybrid cells, not people. This involves taking a cow egg and extracting the nucleus, and replacing it with a human nucleus. This will be left to divide x times until it becomes a stem cell, nothing more.

They will then do...whatever, it is they do with the stem cells.
 

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« Reply #9 on: 07/09/2007 03:39:02 »
I read where they were implanting mice with whatever it was to where the mice developed human brain cells - an attempt to see what effect it might have on the subject's memory. This was about 6 months ago... maybe I should do some quick searches on the issue and see if anything more has been said about it.
 

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« Reply #10 on: 07/09/2007 06:01:57 »
by the way... the people who want the cures that badly often do volunteer to have experimental treatments done on them. my cousin has cystic fibrosis and she has participated in a lot of studies and drug trials not because she has to, but because she knows that even if nothing saves her, someday she might help someone. these medicines have made her sick. the treatments have often wasted her time, which is very precious...
 

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« Reply #11 on: 07/09/2007 06:03:47 »
she doesn't want to do this, and if there were another way to test these medicines, a lot of people would be spared a lot of pain and disappointment
 

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