[bearnard1212 (OP)]

Colonizing Venus makes no sense whatsoever. Who wants to live in a flotilla above a totally inhospitable environment? I mean if it were the only option for survival then yes, otherwise not worth it. Also completely unworkable from a colonization perspective. To be a colony it needs to have a significant if not total ability to be independent. There is no way that some flotilla in the atmosphere of Venus can supply its own raw material needs for manufacturing as mining the surface of Venus would be well beyond what a flotilla environment could manage. Perhaps might be feasible and reasonable for NASA or the like to put a floating research station there with rotating crews and regular supply runs, but that would be about it. IMO NASA puts out silly things like this just to keep the public's interest in space so they can continue to get funding. All pipe dream nonsense, but it captures the public's imagination.

[Professor Mega-Mind]

Agreed , mahn !
It's just a seductive image , is all .
You really might enjoy my Post at the address in my last Reply ..😎

[hamdani yusuf]

Someone has thought about it.

[bearnard1212 (OP)]

Someone has thought about it.

I assume a better would be to invest in technology and projects that can preserve the environment and Earth. I have already mentioned on this forum but in another thread  satellite technology that can track rare species of animals to prevent them from being killed by poachers.

[hamdani yusuf]

It would be much better to invest in technology and projects that can preserve Earth. I have already mentioned on this forum but in another thread  satellite technology that can track rare species of animals to prevent them from being killed by poachers. Also, there are special satellites that can observe coral reefs in order to help scientists to save it.

Of course preserving earth is mandatory, since it's the only place in the universe which we know for sure contains and supports existing conscious entities, at least for now. But we shouldn't restrict ourselves to become too dependent on it. We know that the universe is much larger than earth, and it's mostly unexplored. Terraforming other planets is just a stepping stone to expand consciousness further, even beyond our solar system. It's extremely unlikely to achieve the universal terminal goal if we restrict ourselves to a tiny spot so insignificant in size, compared to observable universe.

[bearnard1212 (OP)]

It would be much better to invest in technology and projects that can preserve Earth. I have already mentioned on this forum but in another thread  satellite technology that can track rare species of animals to prevent them from being killed by poachers. Also, there are special satellites that can observe coral reefs in order to help scientists to save it.

Of course preserving earth is mandatory, since it's the only place in the universe which we know for sure contains and supports existing conscious entities, at least for now. But we shouldn't restrict ourselves to become too dependent on it. We know that the universe is much larger than earth, and it's mostly unexplored. Terraforming other planets is just a stepping stone to expand consciousness further, even beyond our solar system. It's extremely unlikely to achieve the universal terminal goal if we restrict ourselves to a tiny spot so insignificant in size, compared to observable universe.

You are right, the universe is very large and it may contain the second Earth. However, the Earth's atmosphere not only gives us O2 but also saves us from the harmful rays of the sun. This is also very rare, none of the planets in the solar system has that kind of atmosphere. There are many other things that may extinct all life on Earth but are not happening because the Earth is, the way it is(example: Earth's magnetic property)

[Halc]

This is also very rare, none of the planets in the solar system has that kind of atmosphere.

It's not just rare, it isn't naturally occurring at all. Life isn't here because the air is this way. The air is this way because life is here, and free oxygen is actually poison to most original life forms, the remainder of which has had to retreat to the few places where the poison cannot get to them, such as the bottom of the dead sea.

Point is, if we can breathe the air on some other planet (which requires a whole lot more improbabilities than there just being oxygen), it means that life is already there.

[Professor Mega-Mind]

Except for fossil-oxygen , such as that which saturated the Martian atmosphere early in it's history . .

[bearnard1212 (OP)]

It would be much better to invest in technology and projects that can preserve Earth. I have already mentioned on this forum but in another thread  satellite technology that can track rare species of animals to prevent them from being killed by poachers. Also, there are special satellites that can observe coral reefs in order to help scientists to save it.

Of course preserving earth is mandatory, since it's the only place in the universe which we know for sure contains and supports existing conscious entities, at least for now. But we shouldn't restrict ourselves to become too dependent on it. We know that the universe is much larger than earth, and it's mostly unexplored. Terraforming other planets is just a stepping stone to expand consciousness further, even beyond our solar system. It's extremely unlikely to achieve the universal terminal goal if we restrict ourselves to a tiny spot so insignificant in size, compared to observable universe.

You are right, the universe is very large and it may contain the second Earth. However, the Earth's atmosphere not only gives us O2 but also saves us from the harmful rays of the sun. This is also very rare, none of the planets in the solar system has that kind of atmosphere. There are many other things that may extinct all life on Earth but are not happening because the Earth is, the way it is(example: Earth's magnetic property)

You are right, the universe is very large and it may contain the second Earth. However, the Earth's atmosphere not only gives us O2 but also saves us from the harmful rays of the sun. This is also very rare, none of the planets in the solar system has that kind of atmosphere. There are many other things that may extinct all life on Earth but are not happening because the Earth is, the way it is(example: Earth's magnetic property)

[hamdani yusuf]

SpaceX Starship to Mars: Why Mars? Why are we not going for other planets first? Details analysis

[hamdani yusuf]

In this not-quite-serious video I explain what it would take to terraform Mars and make it habitable for humans.
0:00 Intro
0:58 Conditions on Mars
2:02 Step 1: Creating a Magnetic Field
4:50 Step 2: Creating an Atmosphere
6:06 Step 3: Converting CO2 to O2
8:46 Sponsor Message

[alancalverd]

Why Mars? Why are we not going for other planets first? Details analysis

Because it is feasible to get there, land on it, spend some time exploring it, and return. Or better still, stay there until we die.

But the fact that something is feasible doesn't make it sensible, desirable, morally justifiable, affordable, important, or even interesting.

[hamdani yusuf]

But the fact that something is feasible doesn't make it sensible, desirable, morally justifiable, affordable, important, or even interesting.

It's the best known starting point for making humans multiplanetary. Not everyone is interested to go there. But some of us clearly are. Some others prefer to let humans go extinct when the earth undergo a cosmic catastrophe than to contaminate other planets.

A great insight from Elon Musk.

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[alancalverd]

Which begs a definition of consciousness; presumes that whatever it is, is only possessed by homo selfstyledsapiens; presumes that it is a Good Thing; and demands that it should be exported. 

So far, all that this much-vaunted characteristic has achieved in its human embodiment has been to destroy the habitat of practically every other living thing, eradicate more species than remain alive, overpopulate the planet with humans with no obvious function except to be top predator, propagate disease amongst its own species, invent religion and politics as reasons for killing its own species, and apparently trigger a climate crisis that will make this planet uninhabitable for itself.

Now if a teenager did that in your home, would you be justified in encouraging him to do the same in somebody else's home?

Until homo becomes sapiens and starts behaving responsibly, it has no right to attempt to colonise and destroy another planet. If the species extinguishes itself before it can transplant, that will be no loss to the universe and a considerable benefit to the remaining life forms on this planet.   

[hamdani yusuf]

Which begs a definition of consciousness; presumes that whatever it is, is only possessed by homo selfstyledsapiens; presumes that it is a Good Thing; and demands that it should be exported.

I've offered the definition of extended consciousness in my thread, which is necessary for determining the universal terminal goal. It doesn't even have to be biological.

Ps - Perhaps We are Destined to sow the seeds of Our own Destruction.

Or else, we can improve our own body and mind to merge with the machines, and restrict ourselves from excessive reproduction, which would use up resources unnecessarily.

“Most important, the intelligence that will emerge will continue to represent the human civilization, which is already a human-machine civilization. In other words, future machines will be human, even if they are not biological. This will be the next step in evolution, the next high-level paradigm shift, the next level of indirection.”
― Ray Kurzweil, The Singularity is Near: When Humans Transcend Biology
https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/47744.Ray_Kurzweil?page=3

[hamdani yusuf]

So far, all that this much-vaunted characteristic has achieved in its human embodiment has been to destroy the habitat of practically every other living thing, eradicate more species than remain alive, overpopulate the planet with humans with no obvious function except to be top predator, propagate disease amongst its own species, invent religion and politics as reasons for killing its own species, and apparently trigger a climate crisis that will make this planet uninhabitable for itself.

Have you heard about zeitgeist movement? We can continually improve ourselves. As long as we survive. Being a multiplanetary society is one necessary step to increase our chance to survive. Improving earth condition is another step.

[hamdani yusuf]

Until homo becomes sapiens and starts behaving responsibly, it has no right to attempt to colonise and destroy another planet. If the species extinguishes itself before it can transplant, that will be no loss to the universe and a considerable benefit to the remaining life forms on this planet.

What will you do to prevent it from happening? Will you sabotage them?
Neanderthals, Vikings, Aborigins, and Native Americans didn't need someone to give them right to conquer new territories. They did it anyway. Because they were willing and able to.