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To me, it is not about the rate that time passes, its about what the rate that clocks measure the passing of time. That measurement is a constant rate to an observer in the same location as the clock, and the same to an observer who is moving with the clock. That observer with just one clock will not be able to detect any difference in rate of time passing on that clock in either the at rest measurement or in the measurement made when moving together with the clock.
I'm not sure I understand the tP clock. Are you making an adjustment to the light clock to neutralize the time dilation between a light clock on the spaceship passing earth, and the earthly observer? The adjustment would have to vary depending on the relative velocities involved. How do you adjust the light clock unless you know the amount of dilation you have to adjust for?
Quote from: Bogie_smiles on 17/12/2017 16:23:49I'm not sure I understand the tP clock. Are you making an adjustment to the light clock to neutralize the time dilation between a light clock on the spaceship passing earth, and the earthly observer? The adjustment would have to vary depending on the relative velocities involved. How do you adjust the light clock unless you know the amount of dilation you have to adjust for?The amount of time dilation does not matter. By using time Planck my clocks are always synchronous, showing no time dilation and overwhelmingly destroying the original light clock thought experiment.
Quote from: Thebox on 17/12/2017 19:01:33Quote from: Bogie_smiles on 17/12/2017 16:23:49I'm not sure I understand the tP clock. Are you making an adjustment to the light clock to neutralize the time dilation between a light clock on the spaceship passing earth, and the earthly observer? The adjustment would have to vary depending on the relative velocities involved. How do you adjust the light clock unless you know the amount of dilation you have to adjust for?The amount of time dilation does not matter. By using time Planck my clocks are always synchronous, showing no time dilation and overwhelmingly destroying the original light clock thought experiment. Are they real, i.e., is patent pending?If you say they are synchronous, then I am wondering if they are communicating with each other to continually synchronize, and if so, by what means are they in communication. How do they avoid the time dilation that normally results from relative motion?
How do they avoid the time dilation that normally results from relative motion?
They are real but there is no patent or applied for patent. I believe sharing is caring and have no problem giving my notions away for free.
I am not 100% sure but I think because I have posted in this forum I get some rights protection such as the intellectual rights.
Playing Santa?
How do these tP clocks stay synchronized?
there has to be something to steal in order to have some rights to invoke against its theft.
The something is that it makes Einstein and science look like a bunch of fools in their thoughts. Science will never accept this because it makes relativity a joke and a laughing ''stock''. One thing I do know is that I am an expert on time and what I have created is flawless. Time is a quantifiable measurement directly proportional to the amount of period past. There is no time travel or likes, that is all make believe and subjective parlour tricks that I sore right through. It is so easy to 'see' , why the Caesium is in flight and the Caesium is at rest, time passes constantly independently of the clocks. A way of recording time can not affect the time it is recording. The correct semantics of relativity would be a timing dilation rather than a time dilation, i.e relative correctness
We don’t share that conclusion.
Sometimes facts are not conclusions, they just are. It is a fact that when the Caesium is in flight and one is at rest, that time is independent of both atoms and does not really ''care'' what the Caesium's are doing. By stating that time changes in any way by the use of the Caesium atoms is subjective and denoting that the Caesium frequency is time itself rather than a measure of the time that is independent of the atoms. They have done this in my opinion to try to glam science up a bit by adding complete BS. There is loads of different ways I can show time dilation thinking is garbage . It is a relative timing dilation which is very different in semantics to a time dilation which is an impossibility.
Ok, can we agree that time is not what atomic clocks are measuring unless you define that as what time is?
If you define the passing of time as something that is happening in accord with the invariant natural laws of the universe, then your clocks are experiencing the passing of time at an invariant natural rate, while they measure the passing of time at a variable rate.
There is a philosophical point that can be made from that: The passing of time, and the measurement of the passing of time are different,
while developing the scientific explanation for the observation of time dilation as a feature of the activity of measuring the passing of local time simultaneously in two local wave energy density environments.
Yes, we can agree, exactly that.Correct, exactly that.A physical point not only philosophy. I don't know the reason why there is a timing dilation, but I do believe it is entropy related and maybe density related but also I think that could be acceleration related.
We observe time dilation when two clocks are at different altitudes relative to the surface of the earth.
We observe time dilation when two clocks are accelerated at different rates.
We observe time dilation when two clocks travel around the world in opposite directions.
All three examples can be explained if you attribute the dilation to the local wave energy density environment in which the clocks are operating.
There is a growing consensus based on evidence, in favor of the emission of gravitational waves from objects with mass (LIGO found gravitational waves traversing space over great distances and long periods, Einstein predicted it). The evidence, and some simple reasoning that says all mass emits and absorbs gravitational waves, leads to the conclusion that all space has some level of gravitational wave energy density. The local level of density is a factor of proximity, and relative motion, to surrounding massive objects.Time dilation is observed. There is a simple scientific explanation for it that is logical, and it fits with the growing consensus of wave-particle duality.
eads to the conclusion that all space has some level of gravitational wave energy density.
Quote from: Bogie_smiles on 25/12/2017 16:20:52We observe time dilation when two clocks travel around the world in opposite directions.Direction not having any affect …
A clock on a plane heading into the rising sun or moon will experience higher wave energy density than a clock on a plane heading away from the rising sun or moon. Thus the clock heading into the rising sun or moon will run slower than a clock heading away from the rising sun or moon.
I see your point, the inverse square law and the ''transverse-square law''. Density increasing as you are heading towards the source , which can be also observed by the doppler blue-shift . Density decreasing as you travel away as can be seen in red-shift. Doppler may not be an exact explanation but I do understand what you are saying and kinda of agree in your notion.
I consider that the frequency of the Caesium atom is the rate of ''life'' cycle, this rate being a variant dependent on the situation. So although there is no actual time dilation, there is an ageing dilation.
So when twin 2 returns to twin one, he as aged less but still experienced the same amount of time as twin 1.
It is easy to explain by using two batteries that hold the same amount of charge, both batteries begin to be used, except one is outputting more power than the other so as a lesser life .