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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: esquire on 26/06/2019 17:13:02

Title: NT: Can entangled photons unlock a black hole?
Post by: esquire on 26/06/2019 17:13:02
OK, a bit of a tabloid headline title. On to the crux. If we continually entangled photon pairs, sending one into a black hole and the other to a detector, would we be solving the information paradox? Or just wasting our time?

what could possibly be altered? energized photons could alter their mass in a back hole. would that alter a zero mass without a rest state in the detector photon. could a non zero photon mass in the detector be contained? would a non zero photon mass transition into an anti particle with an altered spin of -1?

would entangled photons in a black hole feasibly be able to engage with its detector counterparts  under hawking's radiation or quantum tunneling?  if so the delay would not be instantaneous but would entail a quantum delay, this delay would essentially be a time travel time phenomena from the past to the future. this would confirm current
experiments were altering the spin of particles produce a retroactive change in the base detector particles

 would the zero charge detector's  photon transition into an anti particle if its spin was reversed and its mass was altered? would the energy that resulted be sufficient to fuel a larger time travel phenomena?
Title: Re: NT: Can entangled photons unlock a black hole?
Post by: jeffreyH on 26/06/2019 19:11:29
@esquire  Would your word salad transform into a rational response?
Title: Re: NT: Can entangled photons unlock a black hole?
Post by: esquire on 27/06/2019 03:12:57
considering  that standard physics are inconsequential and quantum is far from being understood in a black hole, expertise is moot. now consider the accretion disk around a black hole as an accelerator, the acceleration of the photon around the black hole negates its wave potential and congeals its particles potential. at this time, its force is transformed into a mass energy. this particle mass is charged. being transformed into a charged particle doesn't alter its unitary spin, it remain a singularity without the need of an external interaction. however; being a particle means a charge is imbued with a rest state. this rest state allows it to carry and transmit energy. the entangled photon particle is no longer neutral, it acts as a flux. the accretion disk flux alignment is in near perfect uniformity, to the point where anti particle are near non existent. when a particle-anti particle is created in the accretion disk the expected disruption occurs. this creation of anti particles in the accretion disk under the most unlikely of circumstances must open consideration that photons can indeed under under energized circumstances, act as a flux, with the capability to gain mass charge as a particle or antiparticle.

the entangled photon particle in the detector must register the change in its counterpart. it too must adopt a mass rest state. it too must adopts a flux capacity. this adaptation means it too has the ability to  its alter its particle parameter as either particle or antiparticle.

hawkings states that one half of the created virtual particle escapes the gravity of the black hole via radiation, while its counterpart is lost in the black hole. the information process is still viable under the surviving half is it not? the surviving half must register the metamorphosis of its counterparts devolving into a state of uniformity.

the only real ignorance is the lack of imagination.
Title: Re: NT: Can entangled photons unlock a black hole?
Post by: esquire on 27/06/2019 03:14:20
Quote from: esquire
would a non zero photon mass transition into an anti particle with an altered spin of -1?
A photon is its own anti-particle, so it doesn't need to transition into anything else.

All photons have a spin of 1. Anti-photon does not have a spin of -1.

However, there are two separate circular polarization states, distinguishable by their angular momentum (positive & negative).
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#Physical_properties

of course, standard text book. 
Title: Re: NT: Can entangled photons unlock a black hole?
Post by: pensador on 29/06/2019 11:12:22
Some people are researching this idea. https://cosmosmagazine.com/physics/entangled-particles-might-reveal-the-interior-of-black-holes

I understand entangled particles decohere easily. I wonder if they would stay entangled with one inside a black hole and the other outside.
Information is transferred by quantum teleportation which is restricted to light speed, and is not instantaneous, so I kind of wonder would the information get out of the black hole at all. 
Title: Re: NT: Can entangled photons unlock a black hole?
Post by: Colin2B on 29/06/2019 15:25:31
Yes, entanglement is quite fragile, not sure what they assumed in the simulation. Woulld be intersting to know why they quote 80% rather than expected 85%. Will try to read the original.
Title: Re: NT: Can entangled photons unlock a black hole?
Post by: esquire on 30/06/2019 23:21:30
Some people are researching this idea. https://cosmosmagazine.com/physics/entangled-particles-might-reveal-the-interior-of-black-holes

I understand entangled particles decohere easily. I wonder if they would stay entangled with one inside a black hole and the other outside.
Information is transferred by quantum teleportation which is restricted to light speed, and is not instantaneous, so I kind of wonder would the information get out of the black hole at all.

considering  that standard physics are inconsequential and quantum is far from being understood in a black hole, expertise is moot. now consider the accretion disk around a black hole as an accelerator, the acceleration of the photon around the black hole negates its wave potential and congeals its particles potential.

this is the decoherence of the photon's property, the photon's  decoherent wave attribute via the "conservation of energy"  escapes  the gravitational force of the black hole via black body radiation. this provides a mean for data not to be lost,  via a decoherent wave entanglement communication with the detector's counterpart's entangled particle.

the decoherence of the entangled black hole particle into a separate wave and a differentiated particle  provides a mean of communication. the wave and the particle remain in separately,  intact. even has its particle component slips into the black hole, the decoherent wave portion of the entangled black hole photon survives. this accounts for the reduced data feedback of 80% cited in the model as per the article previously cited.