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Title: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 16/03/2021 21:53:09
knowing that many will refuse to take the vaccines, eventually many even wanted to, simply there will be not enough jabs for whole world [1 (https://historum.com/threads/in-denmark-they-record-problems-with-astrazeneca-vaccine.188364/post-3432962)] thus rises the question why CBD is not on free prescription mids this pandemics?

https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/124536-cbd-as-endocannabinoid-booster-of-t-cells/ (https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/124536-cbd-as-endocannabinoid-booster-of-t-cells/)

Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 16/03/2021 22:13:50
Because cbd is a new product so is wildly touted as a cure all for everything, much like other "new" drugs have been. Not that I have anything against natural products, aspirin after all was a natural drug to begin with, but further study is needed.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 16/03/2021 22:50:50
@Petrochemicals Please compare any other T-Cell booster that is near the potential of CBD, there are tones of studies so its not new at all, tho there is lack of control group, for what think now there will be many candidates, I'll say indeed it need caution because compared to the last study in the proposed link [1 (https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/124536-cbd-as-endocannabinoid-booster-of-t-cells/?do=findComment&comment=1170903)] where the beneficial effects are due to naturally extracted CBD, there are other for synthetic one that have the opposite effects [1 (https://archive.is/Xpzpd#selection-2649.0-2657.10)] also in the same overview its said bhang as beverage has opposite effects [1 (https://archive.is/Xpzpd#selection-3175.3-3175.307)][2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhang)] thus there should be allowed at least mids pandemics legalization of few plants for personal immunization needs, if You say its not enough evaluated for free prescription then this is compromise ...
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: evan_au on 17/03/2021 08:47:14
Quote from: Osogovo
T-Cell booster ... CBD
We have seen the months that it takes to run a proper double-blind study - and the large number of participants required to show an effect.
- I think most people will be vaccinated before you could recruit 30,000 people for a trial (and source enough CBD for a trial)
- But before you can start a Clinical trial, you need to show some reasonable basis for assuming it might be effective.
- Eg tests in lab rats (mink will do just as well, as they are susceptible to COVID-19)

Wikipedia has an extensive article on Canabidiol, but doesn't mention it as an immune system booster
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol

The link you provided is not a peer-reviewed paper, it is a discussion board.
- The people on scienceforums asked for a peer-reviewed paper, and I didn't see a link to one

Quote from: OP
why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Because there seems to be no peer-reviewed evidence that it would do any good
- It might, perhaps, relieve some lockdown anxiety.

Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 17/03/2021 08:52:22
tho there is lack of control group, f
So, there's no actual scientific evidence.

I think you just answered your question.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 17/03/2021 10:43:49
The link you provided is not a peer-reviewed paper, it is a discussion board.
- The people on scienceforums asked for a peer-reviewed paper, and I didn't see a link to one

hm, probably You want to say those quoted studies there (SF thread) are not academic?
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 17/03/2021 10:51:18
tho there is lack of control group, f
So, there's no actual scientific evidence.
I think you just answered your question.

for T-Cell boosting thre are many studies with control groups, but for sars-cov-2 still think none, altho defacto there are many regular marijuana users that can be evaluated in this case too ...

the problem here rises whether synthetic CBD is health risk! also about bhang beverage mentioned it the 3rd post, think that as indica strain from India as such is extra stuffed with THC thus in long run with large amount of thc provoke contra immune effect, tho this is just my guessing eg. superstitiously drawn from this next clip  :D

Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 17/03/2021 12:32:37
the problem here rises whether synthetic CBD is health risk
Do you understand that synthetic CBD is the same as natural CBD?
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 17/03/2021 12:47:30
tho there is lack of control group, f
So, there's no actual scientific evidence.
I think you just answered your question.

for T-Cell boosting thre are many studies with control groups, but for sars-cov-2 still think none, altho defacto there are many regular marijuana users that can be evaluated in this case too ...

the problem here rises whether synthetic CBD is health risk! also about bhang beverage mentioned it the 3rd post, think that as indica strain from India as such is extra stuffed with THC thus in long run with large amount of thc provoke contra immune effect, tho this is just my guessing eg. superstitiously drawn from this next clip  :D


Again, not  completely shooting you down,  medicine is slowly adopting compounds from cannabis for medical treatment.  The effects of non clinical marijuana have been noted in some anecdotal cases as helping fire the immune system against cancer. But unfortunately of all of the cancer patients who have tried cannabis the uncured people are in the majority by quite along way. A study is needed to find what is going on, whether it's a combination of drugs or some people's genes, but it is not the universal cure all for cancer that some tout it as unfortunately.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 17/03/2021 12:54:28
Do you understand that synthetic CBD is the same as natural CBD?

on paper as formula, in reality studies show that there is glitch, why this is the result suppose bioresonance could be case, yet this is for now still fringe field, maybe in natural CBD there is some extra spin of electrons [1 (https://www.photonics.com/Articles/Fly_Cells_Follow_Laser_Light_/a42685)][2 (https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/124534-extended-field-theory/?do=findComment&comment=1171000)]
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 17/03/2021 13:01:28
Again, not  completely shooting you down,  medicine is slowly adopting compounds from cannabis for medical treatment.

here we speek not for cure but T-Cell booster, thus natural phytotherapy immunization, and why still the same its not norm, hm You have in the proposed first link explanation, its damoclean sword for the western capitalistic economies because now through medicine and pharmacology there is big macroeconomic variable for the system, so disbalancing that is not so simple, on top to be free homemade remedy, cmon probably You know this, but let explained to the rest, simply its too big momentum to be loosen to bloom freely, tho I think mids pandemics like this if not delivered as free remedy by the states, at lest can lift the ban for personal growth at least for few plants per person ...
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Petrochemicals on 17/03/2021 14:00:46
Again, not  completely shooting you down,  medicine is slowly adopting compounds from cannabis for medical treatment.

here we speek not for cure but T-Cell booster, thus natural phytotherapy immunization, and why still the same its not norm, hm You have in the proposed first link explanation, its damoclean sword for the western capitalistic economies because now through medicine and pharmacology there is big macroeconomic variable for the system, so disbalancing that is not so simple, on top to be free homemade remedy, cmon probably You know this, but let explained to the rest, simply its too big momentum to be loosen to bloom freely, tho I think mids pandemics like this if not delivered as free remedy by the states, at lest can lift the ban for personal growth at least for few plants per person ...
Nope, they make a profit from epilepsy cannabis medicine I should think. That is not a cure either, but a treatment without end unlike a T cell booster for a corona infection. Also doctors are not about to boil down some cannabis in butane liquid in their freezer and give you a quick shot of the residue. That is not clinical medicine.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 17/03/2021 14:33:41
Nope, they make a profit from epilepsy cannabis medicine I should think. That is not a cure either, but a treatment without end unlike a T cell booster for a corona infection. Also doctors are not about to boil down some cannabis in butane liquid in their freezer and give you a quick shot of the residue. That is not clinical medicine.

yes I am against concentrates, if You followed the SF thread from the first post You'll know I am for leaf smoothy, and yes corporatism is fracking alike lobotomy, thus phytotherapy extracts should be norm ...
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 17/03/2021 16:00:14
maybe in natural CBD there is some extra spin of electrons
Bollocks.
(In my professional opinion as a spectroscopist).

There isn't a difference; but there are bad experiments- possibly involving impure materials.
yes I am against concentrates
Why?

Why, in particular, do you think it's better not to be able to measure the dose- even approximately?
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: syhprum on 17/03/2021 17:13:56
My next door neighbour has just found good employment with a nearby medical canobis production facilitie, whether or not it has any medical benefits I hope it continues to be popular
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 17/03/2021 17:40:57
@Bored chemist if You noticed I was arguing abut the discrepancies in the proposed studies in the 3rd post here, thus bollox would be scientific elitism in this case that generics between natural and synthetic CBD are none, tho without extensive studies on the matter I cant claim just by comparing two studies this is final result and logic, I am just guessing why there are different results from natural and synthetic CBD, yet I am no authority anyhow so my personal opinion should not be taken for granted when saying the intake of natural CBD as smoothy from Cannabis Sativa leafs is something unique boosting of T-Cells, stil all this dont exclude anyhow the CBD immunity boosting, and now is the right time for mass evaluation ...
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 17/03/2021 17:44:16
maybe in natural CBD there is some extra spin of electrons
Still bollocks.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 17/03/2021 17:57:37
@Bored chemist , hm I provided info in the footnotes of the 8th post i.e. how chemistry pharmacology and medicine are not aware for bioresonance, and till that scientific field is not considered also in pharmacology we will have such paradoxes as the proposed discrepancies in the 3rd post between natural and artificial CBD ...
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 17/03/2021 18:07:17
@Bored chemist , hm I provided info in the footnotes of the 8th post i.e. how chemistry pharmacology and medicine are not aware for bioresonance, and till that scientific field is not considered also in pharmacology we will have such paradoxes as the proposed discrepancies in the 3rd post between natural and artificial CBD ...
The reason it is bollocks is that we can measure electron spin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_paramagnetic_resonance

You are not going to get very far if you don't recognise bollocks when you see it.

The two references you posted were, at best, irrelevant.

Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 17/03/2021 18:23:16
@Bored chemist hm your ignorance sounds familiar [1 (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=79357.msg633262#msg633262)] but I will just point with exceptionalist approach science cant progress, here You should have in mind also simple example like the bond and effects among simple and complex sugars, I point to this analogy altho not comparable just to give accent again to bioresonance how is ignored by the pharmacology, simply in phytotherapy as natural extraxt from the plant we gather exactly that an natural bond among canabinoids that are for sure recognised by the organism as more normal than the isolated concentrates ...
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 17/03/2021 18:36:48
hm your ignorance sounds familiar [1] but
You seem to have been unable to answer the question you cited.

And this is still bollocks; no matter how you dress it up.

maybe in natural CBD there is some extra spin of electrons

So is the rest of your post.

If you were actually correct, you could provide evidence.
But you can't.
So you use lots of long words.
Hard luck; that approach won't work on a science page.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 17/03/2021 18:49:38
@Bored chemist we went extra offtopic, I said that is mine opinion, You probably read that maybe as argument, tho Please provide comparative examples how is measured the elecron spin in natural and artificial CBD and whether there was discrepancy so we would exclude mine assumption!

stop going in circles on this natural vs artificial CBD, the point of this thread is CBD as T-Cell booster, so for now this is irrelevant and it should leaved to engaged scientists in the studies, so focus on the prime question why if studies undoubtedly points that CBD is immunity booster why now is not free prescription at least for the risk categories of citizens, tho it should be free for all if indeed this pandemics is so deadly, why only vaccination is free!?
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 17/03/2021 19:00:58
There are two related problems there.
Firstly the false assumption of equivalence between your "opinion" and my scientific evidence. (With a side-order of your not understanding the burden of proof)
Secondly the idea that facts don't matter.
You are proposing that the government spends a lot of money- on the basis of no actual evidence.

Did you think those views would go down well on a science site?

If you have any actual evidence that CBD is helpful in treatment or prevention of covid, I'm sure we would all like to see it.

Posting bollocks about electron spin- even though you plainly haven't a clue about it- doesn't help anyone, does it?
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 17/03/2021 19:12:48
how so boosting of T-Cells in immunity has nothing to do with covid-19? did You read the studies? tho why there are not enough studies that is other thing, but if experimental vaccine technology can be accepted with ease why then not to be free prescription mids pandemics an proved booster of T-Cells as is CBD that is clearly evident from the studies in the proposed link!?

my opinion tho about the natural CBD could lift the ban on Marijuana Legalization but for that I acknowledge there is need of comparative studies, as I pointed maybe in question is electron spinn as premise not per'se some strange spinn of electrons, You are obviously willing to derail this discussion in petty excuses why CBD not need to be free, maybe next will be my forum name!?
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 17/03/2021 19:16:32
t if experimental vaccine technology can be accepted
It wasn't.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 17/03/2021 19:19:19


You are obviously willing to derail this discussion in petty excuses why CBD not need to be free
This is not a "petty excuse".
You are proposing that the government spends a lot of money- on the basis of no actual evidence.

And you need to address it before anyone will take you seriously.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 17/03/2021 19:23:16
my opinion tho about the natural CBD could lift the ban on Marijuana Legalization but for that I acknowledge there is need of comparative studies
Just to make it clear how unrelated those are.
I support the legalisation of cannabis in any form, including refined THC, for medical and also recreational use ( if anyone wants to argue about that, please start another  thread).

I do not support the unevinced "use" of CBD (or anything else) at the tax payers' expense for treating covid.

The two ideas are completely unrelated.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 17/03/2021 20:46:51
@Bored chemist You know once there was Million Marijuana March in the world in London too [1 (http://web.archive.org/web/20020606190305/http://www.ukcia.org/library/pastevents/jday1999derek.php)][1 (http://web.archive.org/web/20111108172540/http://www.resist.org.uk/uk/may-day/may-day-2001/mayday-2001-in-london/)][1 (http://www.urban75.org/photos/protest/jayday.html)] but now there should be Billion Marijuana March in whole world [1 (https://www.facebook.com/GlobalMarihuanaMarch)][1 (https://www.cannabisculture.com/content/1999/07/01/1463/)][1 (https://cannabis.wikia.org/wiki/Global_Marijuana_March)] so noone need to take "me" serious, but after such stunt governments will take their citizens serious!

in Macedonia example we are even poorer so the state cant indulge in free CBD prescription for all, but can allow at least rural legalization for all, tho we are lacking protest momentum, not that there wasnt will eg. jay~days parties were regular for few years from 2008 but when we should had have MMM march in 2010 (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMszkcHAgQD2a6WTeMchmFOVeMcdx_V3n) the event wanted to be hijacked by the secret service so the organizers give up, thus after that only medic debate popped up but without will for real pressure for real change ...

Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 17/03/2021 20:52:58
Why are you mixing up two different things?
CBD is not THC.


Anyway why would anyone spend money on an idea that won't work (or, at least, where there is no evidence that it will work)?

Don't you think it would be better to spend a lot less money on finding out whether it works or not?
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 18/03/2021 16:19:37
Why are you mixing up two different things?
CBD is not THC.

what do You mean I mix them, CBD is more present in Cannabis Sativa and THC in Cannabis Indica variety of "Marijuana", tho as I am aware also THC has role as endocanabinoid in the lymph system just not sure is it at all close to CBD ...
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/03/2021 17:23:27
CBD might have an effect on covid via boosting T cells.
The people in the Million Marijuana March were not talking about CBD, they were interested in getting high.

But you seem to think it's the same thing.
Medical use of cannabis isn't usually related to CBD.
It is not.
CBD is not THC

Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 18/03/2021 17:41:20
CBD and THC are both present in same time in Cannabis, I pointed which variety has more from what ...

Hm, if I want to immunize myself because I dont have money for corporate cbd patch, then how else I can do that except planting my own herb? Marijuana alone because this immunity glitch should be legalized at least as rural momentum i.e. all interested in such self healing patch as m~smoothy to be allowed to have such option if relocate on country ...

... like that as rural legalization will be avoided also the risk of city temptation for the Youth, on top it could be useful way for local rural selfsufficiency if is allowed only to small farmers to sell pot for recreational users what would be managed through middle man as some state body so there would be guaranteed control of quality and price as for phytopharmaceutical cbd so as recreational pot ...
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/03/2021 18:10:27
As I said, I don't have a problem with cannabis being legal, but there's a very obvious problem with your idea.

If you don't separate the CBD from the THC, then you can't use one as an (alleged, but unevinced) immune stimulant, and drive.
You can't use dope and hold down a responsible job.
So the idea of using CBD is not related to the legalisation of cannabis.

Different drugs; different rules.

Why don't you see that?
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 18/03/2021 19:28:21
I dont get how Health could be weighed with any risk of recreational use, the side effects of any misuse while driving or working should be treated as alcohol intoxication nowadays, but having opportunity to have own immunization plant especially if I am poor its beyond any risk of getting high along while drinking my CBD smoothy that for sure would have thc but not in amount to be any danger to the health ...

... I mean if the state has power to redistribute it freely on persription as phytotherapy I dont mind let it be only state asset but like now only corporate one that should be just temptation for all that cant afford it thus risking illegaly planting cannabis its more than stupid its simply wrong ...

... People Should Wake Up and Make Stance On This Matter but how if they only wait on the corrupt state, they should push for healthy reforms through constant open debate among scientists and asking for mass'evaluation of all the benefits and risks, waiting on state that do it by itself its mirage if we know how biased is in corporate interests [1 (https://biology-forums.com/index.php?topic=1975202.msg5176157#msg5176157)]
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/03/2021 19:37:37
the side effects of any misuse while driving or working should be treated as alcohol intoxication nowadays
Yes; that means banning driving while intoxicated.
And that means you can't really use cannabis.
But you can use CBD.

But the answer to your question
"why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?"
is still because it would be a waste of taxpayers' money.

Don't you agree that it would be better to spend less money finding out if it actually works?
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 18/03/2021 19:58:51
hm, those that are not wiiling to vaccinate or those that cant get in row, why they not need alternative, if CBD is T-Cell booster and that is quickly weighed, then I dont see why the state on behalf of the health of its citizens mids any pandemics further not just this one couldnt make effort to deliver free CBD to all, if it wants it could raise own production or have it in stockpile ... 

anyway they could pour billions in vaccines studies and they cant at least 100 millions in CBD studies and control groups, why? simply they dont care its more convenient for the authorities to flirt with the big'pharma or to be on their payroll, this would be the main reason why are not allowing such healing plant to be at hand to all, thus CBD will stay corporate asset until masses dont wake up and push for at least rural legalization for all that want to have own natural CBD ...
 
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: evan_au on 18/03/2021 19:59:24
Quote from: osogovo
You'll know I am for (marijuana) leaf smoothy
There were a couple in Australia who operated a franchise selling cheesecakes.
- Unknown to them, their son whipped up a marijuana cheesecake for a party he was attending
- Which the parents accidentally sold, to unsuspecting members of the public
- Who then got rather ill....
- Needless to say, it did not turn out well for anyone involved!

Quote from: OP
Please compare any other T-Cell booster
The approved COVID-19 vaccines have been now rolled out to millions of people world-wide.
- These have been proven to boost T-Cells monitoring specifically for SARS-COV2 infection (unlike a "generalised" T-Cell Booster, which is likely to escalate auto-immune diseases, too)
- The incidence of severe side-effects during vaccination has been something like 3 per million vaccinated

So I put it to you that the approved COVID vaccines are provably more effective as T-Cell boosters than any marijuana product, and far safer, too.

Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 18/03/2021 20:55:40
@evan_au look they say also fracking is beneficial but in the end is becoming disaster dont take everything for granted [1 (https://historum.com/threads/threads/real-data-of-environmental-concern.188373/post-3432918)] I am not saying m'rna vaccines will not have immunization effect, or any other vaccine, but eg. for me the risks are way greater than boosting my immunity with natural CBD, this should be choice not indoctrination that we must take the vaccines or we risk to drop dead and/or unemployed, with mortality rate of ~2% of this virus dont see why I need to experiment with any not just m'rna vaccine, it would be logical approach for all terminally ill or those that are fearless around transhumanistic approach in this case with m'rna vaccines for artificial cell editing [1 (https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/124522-mrna-vaccine-risks/)]

freedom of choice and right to life should be norm ... eg. I am naturalist so I want to have natural immunization option, this is simply bioethical concern and its mine right as human, why should I bow in front of artificial patches!?




anyway Please open new vaccine risks thread we could argue there on this matter, otherwise we will derail the CBD discussion here, simply is word for choice and if the state cant provide me free natural CBD mids pandemic crisis then it should lift the ban for personal plants and indirect immunization through use of CBD like homegrown phytotherapy ...
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/03/2021 21:05:45
You keep failing to answer the obvious question.
Why should the government spend taxpayers' money on something which probably will not work and, even if it does, it will not work as well as the vaccine and even if it did then , unlike the vaccine, you would have to keep giving it continuously?

Would it not be better to spend it on something which they know will work?

And this still has nothing to do with legalising pot.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 18/03/2021 21:15:04
You keep failing to answer the obvious question.
Why should the government spend taxpayers' money on something which probably will not work

howdie my friend, guessing is wrong, but control groups will resolve the hype! hope just the push~pull will be in time ...

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/940265 (https://archive.is/5OZwx#selection-706.1-833.17) ~ How Cannabis-Based Therapeutics Could Help Fight COVID Inflammation

Legalization would mean freedom for selftherapy for the poor as regular boosting of the immunity, where to find as poor money for their corporate CBD? have in mind that legalization will give also big blow to the black market and its influx of skunk and higher risks from thc-bombs like now, why People not to have right on Natural Healing Sativa and even Smiling with notion that they also drink healing smoothy!?
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/03/2021 21:24:04
guessing is wrong
Since neither of us has data from a proper trial, both of us are "guessing", aren't we?
But one of us is a pharmaceutical chemist and the other is saying that the government should spend millions on the basis of his guess.

Legalization would mean freedom for selftherapy
Not really, because not many people can actually live their lives stoned.
 I take the view that cannabis should be legal because, as with alcohol, grown ups should be allowed to choose to take risks.
 I don't think that it is acceptable to say "Well- you poor people- the only medical help your government will give you is to tell you to get stoned, and hope that it doesn't damage your brain etc too much" .
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 18/03/2021 21:51:05
haha You'll be surprised how the tolerance of the high effect is quick, so no from Sativa forget about stoning, tho now that is norm from decriminalized skunk probably You've seen the video tagged in this thread before ... let me simplfy in concern of recreational use like now the black market drawn many people in submission to wrong friendships and in case of corporatism if its not allowed personal growing the risk is again from the black market for the poor, tho not just poor because nowadays the middle class is just fable coz consumeristic indebted lifestyle, so only solution would be legalization, but as I said rural one so the hype would be drawn out from the cities, also like that chance for many to start selfsufficient farming lifestyle ...

what is more prejudice in this debate between me and You is the mine personal poverty and Your pharmacology profession thus Your arguments goes on one and mine on other side, in the end as I said it would be the awareness of the masses who has advantage ...

also its not acceptable O you blindfaited people your only exit is artificial patching for better immunization, altho here its the measure of human right in question and not why one system should or not impose authoritarianism, when something as substance is natural immunization agent the same should be allowed free for personal use, yet having own risk from any potential hype until the effects of the legalization hype settle it should be carefully addressed in the legislation, as I said moving it as such on country as rural legalization would be bargain ...
 
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/03/2021 22:04:35
You didn't come here to listen to reason did you?
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 18/03/2021 22:19:18
You didn't come here to listen to reason did you?

this is subjective who is the voice of reason, by all measures eg. the standard model in particle physics shouldnt be standard anymore yet still is [1 (https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/124534-extended-field-theory/?do=findComment&comment=1170705)] this simply means claiming exclusivity in some debate even when things on paper appears logical is wrong kind of argument, thats why I am pointing that there should be invested extra amount of funds in weighing of artificial vs natural CBD so we would be clear which has better potential, if I was ignorant I would say whola I am exceptionally right, instead I am saying mids pandemics CBD should be either free perscription or allowed as personal remedy obtained by natural homegrown Cannabis Sativa ...
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/03/2021 08:46:01
"why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?"
Because there is no reason to think it would help.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 19/03/2021 13:17:29
"why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?"
Because there is no reason to think it would help.

says pharmaceutical chemist! at best Your opinion is professionally biased, if we know that if like this boosting T-Cells regularly in the immunity will mean less ill people overall thus less pharmaceutical consumerism :) do You have big ,mortage there ...
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/03/2021 15:26:49
Your opinion is professionally biased
Grown ups call this sort of bias "competence".
"why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?"
Because there is no reason to think it would help.

Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 19/03/2021 15:44:31
Your opinion is professionally biased
Grown ups call this sort of bias "competence".

yes career man have nothing to loose a :) what to say careerism usually is conformistic and swap normal reason with corporative or institutional even both as plutocratic hug nowadays :) so I can understand why by Your measure CBD should not be free prescribed, but think most of the People would reasoning otherwise ...
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/03/2021 19:15:25
Are you suggesting that my view is influenced by my job in the pharma industry?
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 19/03/2021 19:30:52
Are you suggesting that my view is influenced by my job in the pharma industry?

indeed is conflict of interest, tho that dont means that per'se coz that You are against free CBD prescriptions mids pandemics, maybe in question is vaxing idolatry :D sorry for my sarcasm I went too offtopic and too pronaturalistic, but simply cant grasp why such natural remedy is not at least allowed as homegrown immunization plant ...
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/03/2021 19:37:37
indeed is conflict of interest,
No it isn't.
It's just prejudice on your part.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Kryptid on 19/03/2021 19:45:14
this is subjective who is the voice of reason

No, it isn't. Truth isn't subjective.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 19/03/2021 21:04:55
No, it isn't. Truth isn't subjective.

arguably, if we are observers and the mirror skewed then even small angle makes difference how is percieved the same, in this case as contra arguments through the Bored chemist pharmaceutical experience of the truth, I am not talking about potential but proposed real studies that show T-Cell boosting by CBD ...
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/03/2021 23:48:44
indeed is conflict of interest,
No it isn't.
It's just prejudice on your part.
Can you explain why there's a conflict of interest rather than just bias on your part?
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: evan_au on 20/03/2021 00:23:12
Quote from: Osogovo
proposed real studies that show T-Cell boosting by CBD ...
Ok, so now you would like to propose a study, to see if CBD boosts T-Cell activity.
- Phase 3 Clinical Studies cost $10 million++
- What laboratory evidence do you have that would justify investing this sort of money into a Clinical Study?
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/03/2021 01:12:52
Quote from: Osogovo
proposed real studies that show T-Cell boosting by CBD ...
Ok, so now you would like to propose a study, to see if CBD boosts T-Cell activity.
- Phase 3 Clinical Studies cost $10 million++
- What laboratory evidence do you have that would justify investing this sort of money into a Clinical Study?
I don't mind, in the circumstances, burning £10^7  to find out if the idea works. It's a reasonable investment (or "punt" if you prefer).  If you like, I will send you the ten pence that is my share.


It's a thousandth of what we gave Dido Harding to screw things up (because her husband "champions" the UK govt's  anti corruption efforts). I'm much more annoyed about that, but it's not the point.

I do mind spending more than that every year, on an ongoing basis, on something where nobody knows if it works or not.

And I'm also intrigued to hear the OP's response to this.
indeed is conflict of interest,
No it isn't.
It's just prejudice on your part.
Can you explain why there's a conflict of interest rather than just bias on your part?

Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Kryptid on 20/03/2021 01:40:58
on paper as formula, in reality studies show that there is glitch, why this is the result suppose bioresonance could be case, yet this is for now still fringe field, maybe in natural CBD there is some extra spin of electrons

Chemistry doesn't work that way. Electrons can only be arranged in a specific way in a molecule's ground state. Two molecules with the same structure must have identical electron configurations and thus identical chemical properties (unless there are different isotopes involved, and even those have a very minimal effect on chemistry for all elements except for the lightest ones).
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: evan_au on 20/03/2021 01:47:56
Quote from: Osogovo
T-Cell boosting by CBD .
This news story (with a link to the peer-reviewed paper in Nature) suggests that exercise improves your immune system health.

Doctors have been telling us for ages that exercise is good for us. This is just one more reason why.

So do we invest a lot of money in something that probably won't work, or do we promote something that we are pretty sure will work?
https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/wellbeing/2021/03/19/walking-grows-bones
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 20/03/2021 02:22:14
probably You both are ignoring the facts from the proposed quoted studies from the SiFo thread (https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/124536-cbd-as-endocannabinoid-booster-of-t-cells/)? Please rereed all the proposed links also that are part of the thread so You will not guess that CBD will not work, it works, only problem is that there are some studies that point to opposite results, for what I think the answer is synthetic cbd, and alone just this should be leveled, in same manner is going my reasoning in BiFo thread ... (https://biology-forums.com/index.php?topic=1975202.0)

@Bored chemist the spending on studies most probably would be lesser if that is joint transnational effort, for start there should be one international scientific CBD eForum where all discrepancies in the current studies will be leveled quickly and proposed joint direction on what should be the focus ...

@Kryptid hm when I say bioresonance here I mean how the body is recognizing the natural vs synthetic cbd, for what maybe in question are the natural bonds in other paired substances in the plant or how they left its fingerprint on CBD, as I am aware from the experiments of the biologist Petr Garyaev (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8F%D0%B5%D0%B2,_%D0%9F%D1%91%D1%82%D1%80_%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87) the electron fingerprints are leaved from everything on everything, still this is alternative and not mainstream science so it would be difficult such variables to go in the current scientific studies ...
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Kryptid on 20/03/2021 03:03:31
the body is recognizing the natural vs synthetic cbd

It can't tell the difference. If the molecules are structurally identical, then the body has no means of knowing which one is synthetic and which one is natural.

the electron fingerprints are leaved from everything on everything

No, they're not. Electrons don't work that way.

I am aware from the experiments of the biologist Petr Garyaev

You should read the "criticism" section of that page.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/03/2021 12:26:25
when I say bioresonance here I mean how the body is recognizing the natural vs synthetic cbd,
But that simply does not happen.
They are the same.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/03/2021 12:29:32

And I'm also intrigued to hear the OP's response to this.
Quote from: Bored chemist on Yesterday at 23:48:44
Quote from: Bored chemist on Yesterday at 19:37:37
Quote from: Osogovo on Yesterday at 19:30:52
indeed is conflict of interest,
No it isn't.
It's just prejudice on your part.
Can you explain why there's a conflict of interest rather than just bias on your part?
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 20/03/2021 15:35:54
@Kryptid  @Bored chemist  You should be aware that particle physics is in big vacuum thus bioresonance dont needs to work as You expect [1 (https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/124534-extended-field-theory/?do=findComment&comment=1170705)] tho my logic in this respect is just assumption but this dont means we should dismiss such variable for which think in time there will be new spectrometers that will evaluate what I am proposing, altho for this first we need focus on alternative theories aside from particle physics and then after new measuring instruments ...

as I said defacto there are discrepancies in the studies altho first we should see how big they are, still think there are scarcity of studies that show negative effects, and as I said either they are due to synthetic cbd or the same are big'pharma skewing of the results, think I've already shared this analogy about the meat industry [1 (https://biology-forums.com/index.php?topic=1975202.msg5176186#msg5176186)]

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@Bored chemist I know is more than unpolite from me to state that You are biased, but believe me I've seen even stranger examples like fake bipartisan idolatry where people bow in front of some political entity just because local belongingness, what about here where You are part of the system, altho this dont means You are per'se biased but lets say more than skeptical, what in the end could only demotivate people to go after broad debate, eg. Bio_Man from BiFo is way openminded [1 (https://biology-forums.com/index.php?topic=1975202.msg5176584#msg5176584)] and You should be too ...
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/03/2021 15:40:18
@Bored chemist I know is more than unpolite to from me to state that You are biased, but believe me I've seen even fake bipartisan idolatry where people bow in from some political entity just because local belongingness, what about here where You are part of the system, altho this dont means You are per'se biased but lets say more than skeptical, what in the end could only demotivate people to go after broad debate, eg. Bio_Man from BiFo is way too openminded [1] and You should be too ...
It's not that you are being "impolite".
It's that you are being stupid.
I don't work in the pharmaceutical industry, and I never have.

So, as I said, all you are doing is showing that you are absurdly biased. You were too sure of what you believed (for no reason) to actually check it.


Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/03/2021 15:42:02
You should be aware that particle physics is in big vacuum thus bioresonance dont needs to work as You expect
Nonsense
The obvious use of resonance of particles in biological systems is this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_resonance_imaging

They don't do that in a vacuum.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/03/2021 15:43:04
they are due to synthetic cbd
You still seem not to understand that synthetic and natural CBD are the same thing.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 20/03/2021 15:57:01
@Bored chemist  stupidity comes form ignorance, but I've didnt ignored your statement that You are pharmaceutical chemist [1 (https://archive.is/aIyBU#selection-1103.0-1103.41)] so after this kind of rude response by You it will be waste of time any further ontopic debate with You ... You miss the vacuum point btw ...
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Kryptid on 20/03/2021 17:46:45
The behavior of electrons is very well understood. The properties of an electron abide by a strict set of rules governed by quantum mechanics. Its properties do not change just because it is in a synthetic molecule. If synthetic molecules actually had different properties from identical molecules of natural origin, then we would have discovered that there was a difference a very long time ago. For example, we would have noticed a difference in the pH, density, viscosity, boiling point etc. between synthetic water and natural water.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 20/03/2021 18:29:08
@Kryptid we are going too offtopic in this thread, anyway in my opinion if the standard model of particle physics is dead then we are not understanding electrons very well, but even if the artificial cbd has the same effect still then stays the question how so there are contrary findings in some studies, for me accepting that this is solely to corporate skim is not enough ...

... yet even if there was risk till now many would have died coz smoking or eating Cannabis, and as I know there is not even one such public or experimental example, what on other hand we cant say is case with vaxing, so if official CBD immunization due to lack of academic determinism cant be delivered as free prescription that dont means it should be illegal as personal homegrown remedy ..

still I am not convinced that there is even academic problem but few studies that that are contradictory, thats why we need global scientific CBD eforum so this would be leveled, anyway even now there is shameful acceptance (https://archive.is/5OZwx#selection-706.1-833.17) but how else this to become norm that scientific and public pressure so governments will accept to give people alternative immunization choice ...
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Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/03/2021 18:34:52
stupidity comes form ignorance
And you stupidly mistook my qualifications for my job.
And you stupidly assumed that I am biased because of something which isn't even true.
And you stupidly think that synthetic CBD is different from the natural stuff.

But you should now be less ignorant- because several people have told you that you are wrong.
Yet you keep on pretending that they are different.

So, it seems that, even without ignorance, you can still be stupid.
You miss the vacuum point
You didn't seem to have a point to make.

When you have finished making it properly, the natural and synthetic CBD will still be the same.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 20/03/2021 20:29:33
@Bored chemist how You become angry and disrespectful says big time how biased You are, if I was the topic of this thread I'll understand Your emotional burst, but now I can just say You are intentionally derailing the debate in personal confrontation ... even if my opinion was not true regarding Your bias still that dont means that You should start behaving as neanderthal !!! look coz You are long time member on NaSci I'll apologize that I provoke your ignorance to become also emotionally armored, and like guest I'll just rest from further debate with You, Please dont respond to me and dont expect response even if You find important to reply ...
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/03/2021 20:38:34
disrespectful
That's a big word from the man who said
yes career man have nothing to loose a  what to say careerism usually is conformistic and swap normal reason with corporative or institutional even both as plutocratic hug nowadays  so I can understand why by Your measure CBD should not be free prescribed, but think most of the People would reasoning otherwise ...

It's also disrespectful of you to ignore the real science that others have been putting forward here.

Face it, there's no reason to suppose that CBD would do a good job.

Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Kryptid on 21/03/2021 02:16:08
Cut it out with the arguing.

By the way, it would be highly inappropriate to say that the Standard Model is dead. It would be more accurate to say that it is incomplete (in part because it doesn't incorporate gravity). Those things that the Standard Model does explain, it explains very well. Besides, my point about synthetic water and natural water having the exact same properties still stands even if the Standard Model is wrong.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 21/03/2021 14:15:14
@Kryptid hm if the "prime" dynamo of some theory dont works the car should be pushed to jump start or even worst every time it will stop, I'll better walk and conserve energy than constantly wasting time to transport myself like that, for sure I'll try other transport mode eg. bicycle ... please open new thread we can debate why SM is dead ...

anyway, I am glad You brought the h2o analogy, You know recently through research in desert conditions it is found that plant intake of water is 80% (otherwise 20% as I remember) if the water is magnetized i.e. the rearangement of the moleculs as crystal latice was more symmetric thus the plants were recognizing it as useful (my emphasis) [1 (http://www.build.mk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=468&KW=magnet&PID=174545#174545)][1 (http://www.build.mk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=468&KW=magnet&PID=175142#175142)][1 (http://www.build.mk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1730&PID=136290#136290)] thus it could be said the same for CBD its one thing how the body is using it as natural bond of endocanabinoids in/from the plant rather plain substance, most probably already the bioresonance effect (https://www.photonics.com/Articles/Fly_Cells_Follow_Laser_Light_/a42685) made the bond probably acceptable as Natural CBD for the body, anyway if it is healing plant why to be illegal? just imagine Honey to be illegal how stupid would be that, altho Honey isnt even close to the potential of natural Cannabis Sativa ...

... altho I assume also that there are other factors that we are missing around the natural substances that still the science are not taking them in account but as I said for what we need different theories an bioresonant one and proper instruments for it, still knowing how even small changes in the electron position change the behavior of elements we shouldnt dismiss that in synthetic production of CBD there is potential negative glitch in this respect, yet I'll need first to get knowledgeable on that process of manufacturing which is not at all public so I would comment further what can go wrong on such level ...

Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/03/2021 15:07:55
You know recently through research in desert conditions it is found that plant intake of water is 80% (otherwise 20% as I remember) if the water is magnetized
That isn't research, it is pseudoscience (at best).

altho I assume also that there are other factors that we are missing around the natural substances that still the science are not taking them in account
It's not that "still the science are not taking them in account", science looked very carefully at the idea that natural and man-made things were different.

It was called "vitalism".
And it was debunked a century or two ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitalism#Criticism

So I invite you to catch up with 19th century science.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_W%C3%B6hler#Organic_chemistry


Stop imagining that synthetic CBD is different from the natural product.
And also face up to the reality that it is unlikely to be any good as a defence against covid.

Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: alancalverd on 21/03/2021 16:19:13
What you eat, drink, smoke, snort or sell to others is of no scientific medical or political interest. If you have a product that you have proved prevents or alleviates disease, and you can supply it in quality-controlled quantity, I'm sure the regulatory authorities will be pleased to consider it and governments will be happy to purchase it if recommended.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Kryptid on 21/03/2021 17:15:18
hm if the "prime" dynamo of some theory dont works...

The "prime dynamo" of the Standard Model works just fine.

if the water is magnetized

Is this the kind of "magnetized water" you are talking about? https://www.chem1.com/CQ/magscams.html

Please provide a link to a peer-reviewed scientific publication if you are going to claim that plants grow better with "magnetized water" than regular water. If you can't find one, then what good evidence is there that it exists or works at all? Please keep in mind that independent experiments and anecdotes are poor evidence in science.

most probably already the bioresonance effect

I'm pretty sure "bioresonance" is not accepted science. What you have linked to appears to be a protein activated by photons. That can be explained with existing biology and physics. There is no need to invoke something like "bioresonance".

for what we need different theories

I don't see why we do. Quantum physics explains molecular behavior just fine.

still knowing how even small changes in the electron position change the behavior of elements we shouldnt dismiss that in synthetic production of CBD there is potential negative glitch in this respect,

Electrons don't have different positions in two identical molecules. Again, quantum physics places very tight controls on an electron's placement in a molecule. If natural molecules and synthetic molecules had slightly different electron configurations, then they would look different in spectrometers. Again, this is something we would have discovered a very long time ago if it was true.

If there are differences between studies of natural and synthetic CBD, then the most likely explanations for this are:

(1) Different experimental procedures between different studies.
(2) Possible contaminants present or absent between different studies.
(3) A significant difference between the populations that were studied on in terms of age, genetics, health, etc.
(4) Errors or bias in methodology.

It is massively more likely that these are one of the culprits rather than quantum physics (which is extremely well-supported by experimental evidence) being wrong.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 21/03/2021 18:14:15
@Kryptid probably You didnt check the links in the footnotes, You have nice debate in the researchgate link so magnetized water works as expected, by your measure tho pseudoscience is also CBD efficiency as natural immunization altho there are extra amount of studies that confirms its positive effects ...

... I'll accept that You will not be able to grasp Masaru Emoto bioresonance approach [1 (http://forum.idividi.com.mk/forum_posts.asp?TID=31605&PID=3154271#3154271)] but trying to "debunk" magnetic water because there are not enough studies is the same prejudice that rolled on with CBD earlier two decades ago, tho as we can see someone is still blocking or postponing its public pedestal ...

for SM what to say, saying You are driving car like that is pointing that only effect from that is the license in your pocket, but Please open new thread and we will examine how long such license will stay in your pocket, sometimes its really pointless to argue about implanted scientific trends which time long ago expired but because scientific elitism or funding purposes are still kept in artificially induced coma ... (https://www.webmd.com/brain/qa/what-is-a-medically-induced-coma)
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/03/2021 18:25:42
You will not be able to grasp Masaru Emoto bioresonance approach

I can grasp his approach well enough.
Write nonsense and sell books.

"Masaru Emoto (江本 勝, Emoto Masaru, July 22, 1943 – October 17, 2014)[1] was a Japanese businessman, author and pseudo-scientist who claimed that human consciousness could affect the molecular structure of water."
From
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_Emoto

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_Emoto#Scientific_criticism
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 21/03/2021 19:21:01
@Kryptid btw forgot to add, if SM is dead then also the current quantum mechanical model which postulates "flows of electrons" should be reexamined, in my view through radiant energy the socalled aether theory ... tho even if its reshaped by the other QM approaches [1 (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-03793-2)] will open huge room for new at least calibration of the spectrometers, still I think the particle physics is fundamentally wrong if there is no super symmetry in it thus we indeed need to apprehend the teslas radiant energy theory and like that seeing the difference between artificial and natural CBD, but as I said we are light years from such even theoretical reasoning what about measuring instruments that will grasp bioresonce, so please dont use SM pseudoscience as norm for bashing by your understanding other "pseudosciences" in this respect bioresonance, I know just that the photonicsspectra article points that the current physics understanding is not explaining  eg. how the vibration of light i.e. particular frequency can activate proteins  "The Hopkins-led study provides proof of principle that a nontoxic light alone can activate a protein in live organisms, allowing researchers to safely control when and where cells move." [1 (https://www.photonics.com/Articles/Fly_Cells_Follow_Laser_Light_/a42685)] but also cant explain many other things eg.Blackbody Radiation (Energy objects emit when they are heated) also the Photoelectric Effect (Emission of electrons from metal surfaces when light shines) and Emission Spectra too (Emission of light from electronically excited gas atoms) also there is the wave-particle paradox etc. etc.

You know I dont want again to deep dive here too in this CBD topic like in SiFo on other questions [1 (https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/124534-extended-field-theory/?do=findComment&comment=1171000)][1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D9HkoHScdY)][1 (https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/124534-extended-field-theory/?do=findComment&comment=1170863)] but will urge You open new thread we will argue further on the SM validity ... just remember be open'minded for once think out of the box ...

I said to BC I will not respond but I am really amazed how he is admitted to derail the discussion in this thread trying to say I am proposing MasaruE as evidence, no on contrary as mainstream scientists You are too far away from his science, tho bashing was norm even in Japan on this behalf, so Tesla was ridiculed too but coz him we are now living in stable electrified realm ...
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/03/2021 20:22:51
the socalled aether theory ..
Why are you so keen on old ideas that have been shown not to work?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether#Problems

if SM is dead
It isn't dead. It's just that you haven't understood it.
I said to BC I will not respond
If you do not respond to the problems I raise withy your ideas then it will look as if you do not know the answers.


Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: evan_au on 21/03/2021 21:28:54
Quote from: osogovo
if the water is magnetized i.e. the rearangement of the moleculs as crystal latice was more symmetric thus the plants were recognizing it as useful
Plants take up liquid water from the soil.
- Liquid water does not have a stable crystal structure.
- In the soil, the structure of water is strongly affected by the minerals in the soil through which the water is seeping.

If you are talking about a stable crystal lattice, you are talking about ice, and plants don't take up ice (in fact, many plant  species are damaged by exposure to ice).
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Kryptid on 21/03/2021 21:41:48
Since this has clearly moved into the realm of pseudoscience, I have moved this thread to "New Theories".

@Kryptid probably You didnt check the links in the footnotes

Your first link was written in Russian. Since I can't read Russian, I can't comment on it. I didn't see anything in your second link about magnetized water. Your third link is an anecdotal account about magnets aging wine.

You have nice debate in the researchgate link

What ResearchGate link?

so magnetized water works as expected

Non-sequitur.

I'll accept that You will not be able to grasp Masaru Emoto bioresonance approach [1]

It's not hard to grasp the concept. What is needed isn't an understanding of it, what is needed is good-quality, peer-reviewed evidence that it is correct. That link you provided is, again, in Russian. I don't speak Russian. Also, has anyone ever replicated Emoto's experiments and gotten the same results in a tightly-controlled environment? If not, then that leaves a lot wanting in terms of scientific evidence.

but trying to "debunk" magnetic water because there are not enough studies is the same prejudice that rolled on with CBD earlier two decades ago, tho as we can see someone is still blocking or postponing its public pedestal ...

Proper scientific studies are a vital part of deducing whether a phenomenon really exists or not. It's too easy for improperly controlled experiments to lead to false conclusions.

for SM what to say, saying You are driving car like that is pointing that only effect from that is the license in your pocket, but Please open new thread and we will examine how long such license will stay in your pocket, sometimes its really pointless to argue about implanted scientific trends which time long ago expired but because scientific elitism or funding purposes are still kept in artificially induced coma ...

The Standard Model was first brought up in this thread by you, not me. As long as you continue to talk about it, I will continue to address it. If you want it to be confined to a different thread, then feel free to make the thread yourself.

if SM is dead

It isn't.

the current quantum mechanical model which postulates "flows of electrons" should be reexamined

No need. We know from experiments that it works.

in my view through radiant energy the socalled aether theory

Aether was falsified a long time ago. At least, the original concept of the aether was.

will open huge room for new at least calibration of the spectrometers

Why do spectrometers need to be calibrated any more than they already are?

still I think the particle physics is fundamentally wrong if there is no super symmetry

Supersymmetry was never a requirement for contemporary particle physics. It was a new theory that, so far, hasn't exactly bore much fruit.

like that seeing the difference between artificial and natural CBD

Again, if there was a difference, we would have figured it out a long time ago. Spectrometers would have picked it up.

but as I said we are light years from such even theoretical reasoning what about measuring instruments that will grasp bioresonce

If that's the case, then why should we even assume that bioresonance has any truth to it?

SM pseudoscience

The Standard Model isn't pseudoscience.

I know just that the photonicsspectra article points that the current physics understanding is not explaining  eg. how the vibration of light i.e. particular frequency can activate proteins 

Can you please quote the part of the article that says that?

but also cant explain many other things eg.Blackbody Radiation

Says who?

also the Photoelectric Effect (Emission of electrons from metal surfaces when light shines) and Emission Spectra too (Emission of light from electronically excited gas atoms)

Modern physics deals with these issues pretty easily, actually. Quantum physics is a critical aspect of those things.

for once think out of the box ...

If your definition of "thinking outside the box" requires me to ignore well-established, scientific evidence, then I'll stay inside the box.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 21/03/2021 21:56:14
cant explain many other things eg.Blackbody Radiation (Energy objects emit when they are heated) also the Photoelectric Effect (Emission of electrons from metal surfaces when light shines) and Emission Spectra too (Emission of light from electronically excited gas atoms) also there is the wave-particle paradox etc. etc.
The current models in physics, particularly QM, are based on an understanding of BBR, the photoelectric effect etc.
Your assertion is nonsense.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 22/03/2021 17:13:19
@Kryptid look again in the first footnote where in the macedonian forum post is in plain linked the reasearchgate debate, still this is not prime thread for debating that digression... now again we are too offtopic but probably this was good reason so this thread would be removed from the Covid-19 subforum I wonder why [1 (http://)]

anyway here is another good addition to the ontopic natural CBD need ... check the quoted study ...

Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Kryptid on 22/03/2021 18:09:16
You're the one who brought up the Standard Model. You're the one who brought up bioresonance. You're the one who claimed that natural and synthetic molecules are somehow different from each other. If you didn't want us to talk about those things, you shouldn't have mentioned them. Again, if you cease to mention them, then I will stop talking about them as well.

There is nothing keeping you from making your own threads on those topics.

Even if you hadn't mentioned any of those things, I would argue that this thread still belongs in New Theories because claiming that CBD is a sensible alternative to vaccination against COVID-19 definitely sounds like a pseudoscience claim on par with vitamin mega-dosing.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Osogovo on 31/03/2021 02:40:52
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Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
Post by: Colin2B on 31/03/2021 08:14:29
you need to have discussions on this site and not just provide links to discussion you are having on other sites. Note that posting material you have already posted on other sites is against the rules and can lead to a withdrawal of your posting rights.
Title: Re: why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?
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