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Title: Love
Post by: memasa on 10/07/2005 14:15:02
What are the "mechanics" of falling in love?

What? Where? When? [:)]
Is it just our basic instict?
What characteristics make the other person desirable? Are there some sort of universal "rules" built-in our brains?
What happens in our brains when we fall in love?
Etc.

Can animals fall in love?

PLEASE TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!

Any scientists of love around? Well, at least you're naked, that's a start. [;)]


"Nothing is certain but death and taxes."
Benjamin Franklin in 1789
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 10/07/2005 14:43:07
There are no mechanics to falling in love. Though there are mecahnical changes in the brain due to the strong emotions. It is not a ' thing ' that can be explained, written down or solved or elaborated on or defined like a disease, though it may feel like it, however it is a condition, and sometimes it hurts like a disease but it's a state of mind, emotional and sensual.

I think people have been asking WHAT love is since time began. The effect of love is easily described. Intensity of high regard for someone, when that person monopolises your every waking thought, a strong bond and union with an intense affection and desire, an urge so strong that people have died because of love, a feeling of euphoric intense attraction etc etc.

Where ?....anywhere !!!

When ?...any time !!

I'm sure it is an instinct characterised by a strong impulse. It's a natural inbuilt reaction to a part of your brain being stimulated. I know there are physical changes in the brain noticed during periods of strong emotions.

It's a point worth noting that it would be interesting to know how ' love' has manifested over thousands of years.

Gosh !!....as far as characteristics that make the other person desirable !!..wow !!..where do you start ?....It's completely and totally subjective....LOVE, comes after attractiveness and I suspect after you've got to know someone really really well...it could be based on intellectual properties, physical attributes, personality traits !!...probably many other options and/or a combination of all or a few of these. Don't confuse love with lust though. I think you have to get deep inside someones head, or they inside yours before you realise it's more than just ' attraction' but emotional too.

Personally, I think it's very debatable as to whether animals fall in love (remember...we're animals too, but I know what you mean)...anyway, you only have to witness the reaction of certain animals when companions are lost, dogs pine, elephants wallow and it seems this could well be interpreted as a form of love....I doubt we'll ever really know. Perhaps 'love' is just reserved for sentient beings....perhaps not.

Lets get some other opinions.


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Title: Re: Love
Post by: Andrew K Fletcher on 10/07/2005 14:57:29
When I met Jude, my wife, she was in the local public house with a few of her friends, I was alone, looked at her and she winked at me with a smile that warmed my heart. I knew she was the right person from day one.

I joined her and her friends for a drink and felt as if I had known her for all my life.
We celebrated our 25th wedding anniversary in March this year and I love her more than ever, we get along so well and share many interests together, also she puts up with my interests in science, and even allows me to conduct experiments on her (health related experiments that is) She is the most beautiful women in the world and makes my heart sing every time I gaze in her eyes. Her smile causes me to melt down and she is a great cook and mother to our two sons. She manages the money side of things with amazing skills and is queen of the Buy one get one free brigade in the supermarkets. Being separated from her for a few days is very hard for me, and I can’t wait to get back home to be close to her.

One Christmas eve we were attacked by six yobs in our home, they smashed the glass fronted door with a concrete flower pot and bashed my head up against the wall, yelling abuse constantly, and causing my head to bleed, and still I kept my cool, trying to get them to go home peacefully because I could see they were either drunk or on drugs. They were 28 year olds, not children.

Then one of them threatened my wife and said he was coming back to get her. Big mistake on his part, he spent Christmas in hospital with his friends. I ruined a perfectly good 3-foot spirit level and had to paint the side of my house because it was covered in their blood. On reading this, you may think that she is a poor defenceless women, and you would be wrong, she can hold her own and comes from a family of semi-professional boxers. She is more than happy to stand up to anyone that treads on her toes.

We seldom argue about anything, if we do it is usually nonsensical and trivial and always rectified as quickly as it ensues.

So love for me is finding my soul mate, whom I would gladly lay down my life to protect her and keep her safe. I cannot imagine what life would be like without her, because she makes me the richest man in the world.

As for animals falling in love, this is blatantly apparent among our pet bull terriers. They are definitely in love with us and each other, and cannot bare to be more than a few inches from us. We are constantly battling them for prime position on the couch, and often wake up with one or two of them snoring on our laps or wrapped around our necks. Even our Siamese cat Theo, who has now passed, loved the bully’s and always preferred to sleep with one next to him. And of course the bully’s loved him just the same and would often share their dinner with him gladly.

There you go, now you know a little more about love and a little about life in our home.

Andrew


Andrew


"The explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct."
K.I.S. "Keep it simple!"
Title: Re: Love
Post by: memasa on 10/07/2005 15:36:46
It's not that I haven't experienced love in my life. I'm only interested in knowing if there really is some theory of love. "Stupid" questions are always the best ones!


"Nothing is certain but death and taxes."
Benjamin Franklin in 1789
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 10/07/2005 16:38:55
I just can't imagine  there being a theory of love !...hang on !!..I'll rephrase that. there's no hard and fast theory of love...yet !!...of course theories are just that aren't they ? based on repeated observations and intellectual speculations (science peeps, please correct my errors here,when a theory is proven is it still a theory or does it then become a fact ?).I am sure soon enough there will be theories on anything and everything !!..and then we'll discover that there's no point to anything because it's all so easily explained !!( uh oh...think I'm losing the plot here[:)])

I'm sure there are formulas which are accurate that can be used to signify love...but at the moment I just can't see how love can be categorized into a theory , especially regarding individuality....and there are so many different forms of love....good and bad.

Lets hope a passing 'love theoritician' passes by.

ANDREW !!...good on ya !!

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Title: Re: Love
Post by: memasa on 10/07/2005 17:00:13
One rather accurate formula is that the more homogamous the two people are the more likely they are to fall in love, or then they'll just end up hating each other. :)

Think about the amount of variables... ;)

Scents and all that...

I am bewildered by love! :))


"Nothing is certain but death and taxes."
Benjamin Franklin in 1789
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 10/07/2005 17:26:34
quote:
Originally posted by memasa



I am bewildered by love! :))






Me too !!...was it Shakespeare who said 'Love is a many splendored thing ?'...well, at least I know Ewan Mcgregor said it in Moulin Rouge !!...what a great subject....soooooooooo much more pleasant to talk about than Hate !!


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Title: Re: Love
Post by: VAlibrarian on 14/07/2005 01:54:23
I think it worth noting that there is love and there is infatuation. Many humans experience the glorious feeling of infatuation, especially when we are young. It is tied very closely to sexual desire. After we find out more about our partner and discover the things we share or do not share, it can either deepen into love or it can fall apart.
Infatuation to me is more of a chemical phenomenon than love is.

chris wiegard
Title: Re: Love
Post by: memasa on 15/07/2005 10:41:47
VAlibrarian: I agree infatuation is in part a chemical phenomenon, but I'm still waiting for that love doctor to pop in and expound it.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 15/07/2005 11:39:14
Love..is an emotion...when the Love doctor does call by, he/she/it may as well answer the mechanics of love, hate,joy,sadness and all the other ones too....I just don't think the 'mechanics' of falling in love can be adequately explained......yet !........

I don't want to strongly disagree with Chris (VAlibrarian) but I'm not too sure if sexual desire is as close to infatuation as mentioned. There are people who are clearly infatutaed with with their idols, fans etc etc...I'm not too convinced that in the majority of these infatuations that in these cases these people crave a sexual desire with them......well, maybe that's not true !!..every girly I've ever fancied I've wanted to bonk !!...oh well....that's a waste of a posting isn't it ?...except that my infatuations were short lived phases of passion....oh Poo !!!.........Valibarian is right , I'm wrong !!..move on..no more to see here !!....

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Title: Re: Love
Post by: Andrew K Fletcher on 15/07/2005 13:15:25
Yesterday, Jude was hot! She had been cleaning the leather suite with hide food in insanely hot temperatures. She asked if I could throw a bucket of water over her to cool her down, jokingly of course, so I obliged her with the hosepipe on full blast and she was screaming but did not run off at first, later she said she was now cool and we both chuckled a lot as she stood dripping and smiling in her wet clothes. Now is that something you would do for anyone requesting a bucket of water to be thrown over them, and get away with it, or is it something that comes from an understanding of each others sense of humour.

One day, a long time ago, Jude was reading a newspaper. I called her to make her look up and shoved a huge fresh cream cake in her face. We laughed. A few months later when I had forgotten all about it, she got me back with an equally large and unexpected cream cake in the mush, it was great spontaneous fun, and we still laugh about our past antics together to this day.

Another time, we were walking the dogs with our friend Lynn through a large field with a hillside and fresh cow dung in it. Now Jude is scared of cattle and Lynn is not overjoyed by the thought of bullfighting in a field. There were no cows in the field, and I was way ahead of them both disappearing over a small hill out of sight.
Their faces as I came running passed them without saying a word and their screams as they promptly followed me at full pelt with horror on their faces and the fear of the unknown demons that were hot on their tales. When I stopped, they looked around to see an empty field and we all howled with laughter.

So having a sense of humour helps loads with any relationship, and we have laughed for hours at silly things that one would not find so hilarious in other situations.

Unless you have the same likeminded partner, I would only recommend the fresh cream cake in the face, as the other above-mentioned practical jokes, could cause you to end up on the couch for a night or two.


"The explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct."
K.I.S. "Keep it simple!"
Title: Re: Love
Post by: memasa on 15/07/2005 18:49:38
I just found a book about love. The author of the book is a German psychologist Bas Kast. The original name of the is book "Die Liebe und wie sich Leidenschaft erklärt". (It's translated in Finnish as "Rakkauden selitys" [Explanation of Love]).
If you translate the name literally, it goes like this: "Love, and How Passion Shows Itself". Unfortunately there is no English translation.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 15/07/2005 18:56:52
Well there you go. The mechanics of love starts on page 1 until the last page.

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Title: Re: Love
Post by: memasa on 15/07/2005 18:59:04
Is it just me, or is that an ironic comment, Neilep? ;)
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 15/07/2005 22:33:13
quote:
Originally posted by memasa

Is it just me, or is that an ironic comment, Neilep? ;)



[:D][:D]just being a tad cheeky !![:D][;)]

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Title: Re: Love
Post by: memasa on 16/07/2005 09:43:02
quote:
Well there you go. The mechanics of love starts on page 1 until the last page.


And Kama Sutra is for the men and women of action. [:D]

"Take 777, Action!"
Title: Re: Love
Post by: VAlibrarian on 17/07/2005 01:37:43
On further reflection there is a role of learned behavior in Love. Some of us never get to be much good at Love. Others do, partly because they have seen good examples. Human behavior is varied. We are less predictable than our Ape relatives, and I think the role of learning makes for that difference.
Compare Shakespeare's sonnet "Let the marriage of true minds admit no impediments" to the kind of abusive, dominating attitude towards women that we see in some human males. To realize the potential of Love to give joy, it is necesary to be able to give- and thereby to elicit a response that drives you to give more.

chris wiegard
Title: Re: Love
Post by: l_kryptonite on 18/07/2005 06:54:58
For me?
Love, lust and infatuation; each is different, with its own unique signature...Get all three of them in the same room, (and preferably in the same body,) and I know I'm In Love.
The trick is getting them all to come to the same party[;)]
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Ultima on 18/07/2005 20:20:22
And for the other person to feel the same! [:D]

wOw the world spins?
Title: Re: Love
Post by: memasa on 19/07/2005 14:01:26
quote:
[...]"Die Liebe und wie sich Leidenschaft erklärt."


I have read the book now and all I can say is that it's excellent, it's cheerful, it's entertaining, it's serious, it's scientific etc. etc.

Maybe I'll read it again and take notes which I'll then post here!

If there are any translators around I truly recommend working on this one. Especially if you're also interested in medicine, neurophysiology, psychology or biology.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: l_kryptonite on 20/07/2005 01:27:06
You forgot to mention the most important one.  Was it accurate?

Thanks Ultima, it does work much better when reciprocated.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: memasa on 20/07/2005 15:32:54
It's as accurate as a scientific book about love can be. Science is based on observations and measurable things, even hypotheticals base on prior research results to some extent either to disprove or support/widen them.


"Nothing is certain but death and taxes."
Benjamin Franklin in 1789
Title: Re: Love
Post by: memasa on 03/09/2005 19:20:38
You should also listen the Science of Sex radio show:

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/html/shows/2005.02.13.htm
Title: Re: Love
Post by: antelope on 03/09/2005 23:03:50
I like some people sometimes. Is that to do with whether or not they agree with me? I hope not and I don;t think so. Being scientific in one's approach to life does not mean that the same approach is appropriate to those vague entities, people. It doesn't mean you have to disregard the intuitive. In fact the best scientific [and religious and philosphical insights] have come about in moments of mental absence. Stop thinking and try to be more aware of that part of you that is aware that you're thinking. Science doesn't have a name for this yet. Doesn't science point to multiple universes? Multiple ways of being?
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 19/06/2006 19:41:02
Andrew, you and your wife are my type of people!!!  You are awesome!!!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 24/06/2006 08:00:53
This is a wonderful thread. Do go on! I want in too!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 24/06/2006 12:44:04
I can concur with that statement as well from Karen!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tootsie78 on 24/06/2006 16:42:06
Wow Andrew!  You have truly shown us what love is!  You sound like you've got a marriage that everyone would envy!  Keep it up!

Joy
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 24/06/2006 19:10:16
Hey you girls...I'm romantic and have fluffy interactions with my bi...err..wifey too !!

Yesterday...Julia was having a nice soothing relaxing soak in the bath...she had soothing music and essential oils that really made the bathroom all nice and atmospheric...this , with small floating candles really helped to send her into a calming place of tranquility and harmony....

...so...because we know each other so well...I (hee hee) filled a bucket with ice cold water and crushed ice and mud and dirt and worms and piranhas..... I approached her with a romatic look in my eye and offered to massage her back for her....

...Oh how I laughed my head off when she quite literally jumped out of the bath....of course..I had oiled the floor too and it was hilarious to see her feet do twenty to the dozen as she tried to stand up.....then to steady herself she tried to reach for a shelf...but I had secretly loosened the screws and we all fell about in hysterics as the shelves fell on her and that the second bucket (that I had placed up there) filled with cockroaches and an octopus fell straight onto her head.....

..It makes for a wonderful video I can tell you for which i have ciculated amongst her bestest friends and their husbands etc...

....anyway....from her hospital bed I can tell she can see the funny side of it....now that is Love ! [:D]

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tootsie78 on 24/06/2006 20:59:07
HEE HEE HEE HEE!  Sorry, don't much believe that story Neil!  [;)]

Joy
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 24/06/2006 21:30:01
quote:
Originally posted by tootsie78

HEE HEE HEE HEE!  Sorry, don't much believe that story Neil!  [;)]

Joy




It's TRUE !!![:D][:D][;)][;)]

Note from Neil's wife.

Dear Joy,

(OUCH !!....oh my poor broken body)

It's Julia here..Neil's wife ...OUCH...!!!..Neil is such a lovely romantic that I am so lucky....OUCH !!..to have him !! I am blessed.
Wish I could say more (OUCH !!..oohhhh..the pain!!)...but I am restricted to only 15 minutes of movement a day because of the traction I'm in !!...OOOOOUUCCHH !!



So, there you have it Joy...straight from the horses mouth !![:D][:D][:D]

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Love
Post by: ukmicky on 24/06/2006 23:13:59
I believe you Neil.

Michael
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 24/06/2006 23:45:18
THANK YOU MICHAEL,

Here also,is a man who knows how to woo and charm a woman....I myself have learnt from him...

Thank You again Michael.

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 25/06/2006 00:26:52
Neil, You crack me up!  I guess thats why I luv you so much! You should write That for a Jack Black screenplay role! Sounds like its right out of a bad comedy! Although it sounds like the rolling around part on the floor was your intention all along Sir! Mission accomplished! HEHEHE!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 25/06/2006 04:24:39
Neil, you are wild!  Love your wild side though..hehe I agree with Karen, you should write this for a Jack Black screenplay role..hehe...If you had really did that...we would've known Julia would have royally crowned you and I don't mean king'ing you either!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 25/06/2006 04:58:02
*blushing*

Thanks Karen, Thanks Lo,

Just pleased to make you smile........

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 25/06/2006 06:13:22
Ok, Here is Romantic! We were married on July 18th 1981 and for my Birthday on Aug. 30th,My husband Rob takes me to San Francisco for my 1rst visit as an adult. I am from a small town, so the city was very exciting and a bit scarey, I wanted to see everything from the Golden gate Bridge, Wax Museum to Gheradehli Square,(pardon my spelling)So we walk around and he says, you have to ride a cable car, so it stops and we jump on. We are going up and down these hills and past all these vender all along the road. We are on this real steep hhill and I am holding on to pole standing as ther was no sitting down. Right in the middle of the cable car zooming down the hill My husband Jumps off the cable car and starts running back up the hill, leaving me speechless and confused and crusing alone among about 50 strangers.  I start to panic. Where is he going? Then I see him disappear behind a vendor up the road, the next thing I know he is running full out down the hill trying to catch the cable car. When he finally caught up he handed me a single red rose with babies breath and a red satin ribbon. Then he kissed me and told me he loved me! My heart almost stopped. I knew he was mine and I would always be his. To this day, he always gives me a single red rose every christmas eve with a special christmas ornament attached to the Ribbon. We have been Married 25 years on the 18th of next month and We have had small, and big problems and have weathered the storms, but marraige and love is not always easy,and its not always the right kind of love. there are many types of love felt in many marraiges, That doesn't mean loving someone garantees True love. We have a different kind of Love. I have always loved him and I know he loves me, even though that was the most romantic thing he has ever done, sometimes his lack of romance is strangely romantic. So basicly he is romantic once a year! I am the romantic at heart all year round.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 25/06/2006 10:08:28
Awww, Karen, he is a keeper...how sweet!  I hope I will have the rest of my life with Denny and have similar stories as you guys have shared here...He always writes poetry to me...and has been a bit slow doing it lately as he has worked quite a bit...you might say I am a bit spoiled...but nevertheless I enjoy reading them over and over.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tootsie78 on 26/06/2006 03:54:08
Dear Diary,

I wonder how long Lo & Denny have been together???  Jason & I have been together 11 1/2 years.  I must say, I am spoiled, spoiled, spoiled.  He treats me toooooo good!  He loves me unconditionally...what a sweetie!  He's not "Mr. Romantic", but that's not what matters...unconditional love is what matters!  Loving me for who I am, not what he "wants" me to be is what's important to me!!!  Oh!  Love is soooooo great!!!

Joy
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 27/06/2006 07:12:08
Joy that is so sweet and it is true to a point. I love the way you feel. Is love unconditional or forgiving? I am not sure. If my husband become a mass murder, I don't think my love would be unconditional. There are just some things I could never be ok with, although I love him, the way he is, things have happened that changed the the way I love him. That doesn't mean I accept everything he could ever do or be. I really don't know how I feel about that word. There would always be love that had been there to start, but as to weather It would always stay the same, I don't think so. Our love has grown in many different directions, as well as become different then when we were actually falling in love. Love takes on many different faces in the course of twenty five years and I suspect that it will change many more times! With each face of love marraige changes not always for the better! It can remain a marraige, and yet lack the right kind of feelings to maintain happiness! Thus becoming bumpy, and hard to manage to say the least. I wonder if other married couples out their find that they feel that same animal magnetism that they first felt with their spouses as they were falling in love. It is so different then a love evolved from that crazy lusty hot love you feel when younger, although sexually that may still be there for some. It is the other aspects that evolve and change over the years That might make love stronger or more or less secure and stable, or maybe even fail! Love should be glorious and there are many different kinds of love!It is different for all.
   

  Congratulations on your 11 and 1/2 years. You are doing well.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 27/06/2006 07:51:50
Quote
Originally posted by tootsie78

Dear Diary,

I wonder how long Lo & Denny have been together???  Jason & I have been together 11 1/2 years.  I must say, I am spoiled, spoiled, spoiled.  He treats me toooooo good!  He loves me unconditionally...what a sweetie!  He's not "Mr. Romantic", but that's not what matters...unconditional love is what matters!  Loving me for who I am, not what he "wants" me to be is what's important to me!!!  Oh!  Love is soooooo great!!!

Joy

Joy, I am glad you have a husband who spoils you! I have known Denny for 21/2yrs...I disliked him for about 4 months with his constant pestering me and his persistence...and liked him about 2yrs and 2months and loved him for about 2yrs...we have not "been together", but are together..lol  He spoils me too...but we come to battle at times with our strong wills...sometimes he lets me win and sometimes I let him win(or let him think he has won...hehe)[:D]  He states he is nervous proposing to me this time as I have always turned him down from the poetry proposal to face to face proposals many times...I have had cold feet from the thought of marriage as I was married before....He states he is nervous to ask me again as I have not accepted so many times...[:0]I have not dealt with committment well after divorce and even my sons are not believing it...they love Denny and call him their dad...and his son Jason thinks of me as his "mum"  but still it gives me a bit of nausea as I think this is it!  We have agreed there is no word "D------" to be spoken once we get married...so independence is a bit lessened with a helpmate...I have mentally thought this through and of course prayed and he as well...so it will be up to him to get his courage back with God's strength to ask once again...he doesn't know I am going to say yes, yet...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 27/06/2006 15:29:52
Ahh LO...that's sooooooooooo great that you're going to say YES...and that we are all invited too !!

You will let us know when the proposal and acceptance is done won't you ?

YAYYYYYYYY !!!

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 28/06/2006 02:29:16
Yes, Neil...I have given up...the white flag is waving...I love that man!  LOL  I had to stir him up a bit today and ask if he really loved me...he about fell out...lol  He said, what?  I can't believe you said that!  hehe...okay, of course I was trying to get a rise out him!  I enjoy his reactions...it is too much fun to watch face to face or hear his response on the phone...hehe  Yes, you all are invited..but you must let me know as this is an RSVP!  I will have anyone who comes from the forum as special guests of mine behind family row...lol  I will let you know the exact date too..tell me where to post it!  hehe  I do know 2 members are coming!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 28/06/2006 04:32:08
I am so happy for you and wish you the best Loretta. He will be a lucky man!
  (LOVE...IS A MANY SPLENDID THING.......WHEN TWO LOVERS MEET IN A CROWDED STREET AND THEIR HEARTS STAND STILL.......) OH I LOVE THIS FORUM.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 28/06/2006 05:09:39
Thanks Karen you and Neilsy are the best!  LOL  Yes, he is a lucky man...hehe...oh boy, bless his heart...he has a lot of patience with me!  Trust me, when we travel abroad, he and I will have global cells...so that way, when I go "shopping" okay, an adventure..hehe we will be able to reach each other instead of renting cells..hehe I will try to behave...must I? I love this forum too and learning alot about you married people...so much to learn as I had married at a younger age...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 28/06/2006 13:53:30
Hee Hee !!...you're going to need engagement ring, wedding rings, bridesmaid rings...rings rings rings rings rings!!!....hmmmmm !!..if only you knew of a good jeweller !! [;)][:D][:D][;)]

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tootsie78 on 28/06/2006 21:20:07
HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  LORETTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I married young!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Joy*
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 29/06/2006 03:53:02
Better get busy you  have your work cut out for you!
Joy How young were you girl? I married my husband when I was 21 years old. He was my first kiss first hug first sweetheart if you know what I mean! I have never been involved with any other man. He swept me off my feet. He was so cute. He come to take me out for our first date alone and we were to go bowling. I changed out of my work clothes to go. When he arrived, he was on his motorcycle with a extra helmet! He took one look at me and said, I will be right back. He went and borrowed his dads truck. We had a great time except that I was so excited, I bowled a 299, the first game. He bowled a 69! I was embarrassed and felt like he was embarrassed. I remember I wanted to touch his arm but was so nervous I could not, so I slugged him instead! Then he smiled and said lets go again. The next game I bowled all gutters, he still bowled around the same score, so we went for 3 out of three.  I won with a 164. I was taught to bowl by a professional bowler, but I cannot say what happened the 2nd game as I have never bowled all gutters before! HEHEHE! !rst game was a fluke, I haven't bowled that high since. I am about 164 average when I have been practicing. My shoulder disables me from bowling much these days although I do love to do it!  

  
 Ok Joy How old were you?
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 29/06/2006 04:08:20
Karen.......WOW !!...you are amazing at recalling and then telling with eloquence your wonderful memories. You are very articulate.....and hubby is a super bloke....and ...he's lucky too.

Thanks for a great luvvy duvvy post....

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tootsie78 on 29/06/2006 05:03:07
Sorry, I have NOOO idea why that posted 3 times!  SORRY EVERYBODY!

*Joy*
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tootsie78 on 29/06/2006 05:07:43
Karen,
I was 18 when we got married...JUST turned 18!  I was 15 when we met, 16 when we started dating, 17 when we got engaged, & 18 when we got married.  He was definitely not my first kiss, or first hug, or first love...but he is my FOREVER LOVE!!!  There is nobody else on this earth for me!  He's mine & all mine forever!  LOVE HIM TO DEATH!!!  I have an idea all you ladies!  Let's post pics of our hubbies (or significant others), k???  Sound good?

*Joy*
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 29/06/2006 06:00:03
Neil, you are too funny...of course, i will make sure you get first dibs on my rings...you do design right?

Joy, you married young and you chose correctly...I married young and foolishly.  Good point also about him being forever...I am sure Denny and I will be fine...as he said, it will be a great union!  LOL

Karen, you are so awesome...enjoyed the story...21yrs of age and you chose correctly too.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 29/06/2006 08:49:17
Met when you were 15, how cool is that! How old are you Joy! I think you told me once but I can't remember! I really love you guys you are all so awesome. So lets not forget this kind of Love. I have fallen in love here in this forum over and over again with all of you friends. Such strong feelings I can honestly say some of them as strong as the feelings I have for my own family.  Neil you are on the top of that list with your wit and wisdom as are Joy Loretta and Carolyn and all my other friends. I enjoy reading posts from George and laith and hadrian , Michael Chris and Dave as well as DocBeaver. I think that you are all wonderful...Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 29/06/2006 09:03:01
Well Mamesa.
 I know that when I met my husband the very first time I liked him, I offered him a piece of gum, we were just co workers, He had incredible striking big blue eyes. Lots of curly sandy blonde hair. So at first I thought he was cute, but with no intentions of relationship cute, like I want to jump your bones. Just a cute guy! Very Quiet. I liked that, he was not loud and obnocious like some men I had met. So that was attractive to me. He was very polite and sweet and most of all he was oh so gentle in spirit and demeanor.  For the most part he still is. Those were attributes I liked as well as the fact that he was very honest. So There were a ton of different things that attracted him to me....
I have to think on that some more!.... Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Titanscape on 29/06/2006 13:02:54
Love involves commitment, like a foundation. Emotion, will, thought and then commitment to build and rebuild. Commitment not to contradict the love and emotions at a time of other pressures on the emotions...

Titanscape
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Titanscape on 29/06/2006 13:07:43
Love is generated in the unseen parts, the heart and mind, will, emotions, and involving the consciousness.

It is expressed in the body and there are pressures in the body to the effect of contradicting the ideals of love. The sex drive for example. And sex involves the heart and will and mind and emotions and body, to contradict or express love. The latter is a good thing.

Titanscape
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 29/06/2006 13:28:06
Karen, I love the forum too!  I also love ya and the rest of the group you mentioned  too!  What an incredible group of people here!  You are all invited to my wedding!  I am laughing as you just handed future hubby a piece of gum...myself?  I met Denny in the UK as I had a stopover before heading to London the next morning to run off to Frankfurt all for the love of business...we met briefly and this guy wouldn't leave me alone...he kept bugging me!  I was as polite as I could be with a pest...lol  Okay not nice at all as I thought he was just trying to pick me up...and then he found out some of my business associates were with me and one of them gave him my cellphone number(personal), swore them to secrecy and to this day I don't know which one did it?  I had it narrowed down to 3 suspects, wined and dined them...and the guilty one was strong???whomever he or she was?  To this day he won't tell me...

It took him 4 months later after much pestering...when I finally agreed to meet him in NY for brunch as he was there on business too or so he says?  My plan was to meet him and end this "so called love he was in with me"...and I discovered I enjoyed his conversation face to face when before I wouldn't give him much time on the phone to discover who he was due to our distance. He has told me he fell in love with me the minute he laid his eyes on me...I never believed in love at first sight...it isn't logical to me?  But after this time he has not changed and I believe him now.

He reminds me of how I tried to lose him, but he was a strong enough man as he could tell I was different than anyone he has met...hehe I tell him I am a simple person... but for some reason he laughs.  I have the feeling he doesn't believe me??

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tootsie78 on 29/06/2006 13:32:28
Karen,
I am currently 28, and my hubby is 29 1/2...

*Joy*
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 29/06/2006 17:05:33
Joy you and hubby are  Close to what I thought you might be. You guys have been seeing each other for 15 years and married for 10 years. Thats great. Keep that attitude, you will need it. There will be times you think you can't stsnd each other, but you will be fine! You remind me of myself at that age, you have spunk!

 Loretta that is a sweet story about Denny. I bet you never imagined you would be marring him back then when he was the "pest."  I believe in love at first sight or first talk, as many people meet through correspondanse. I have a cousin on my husbands side of the family that met his wife  as a pen pal in Japan. They are now married and have several grown children. They have a wonderful relationship. They overcame many obstacles between them and have remained very much in love for all these years! It is easy to fall in love with someone when you talk via mail or email. I think you tend to be able to speak more honestly about the inner most parts of your heart, which allows another to see the person you really are. You are able to express yourself without that embarrsed feeling or apprehension you might have if you were face to face. I guess I am just a mush pot. I am a pretty sappy person and even for me at home I know that is something I restrain. I think it is a defense mode thing, I guess.
  I know that some people can be totally different persons through the mail, but I think that is the exception rather then the rule!

  Joy you two sound so great! I wish you every happiness. Loretta The same for you. You are a fun couple it seems to me!...Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tootsie78 on 29/06/2006 22:08:55
Karen,
Yes, Jason & I have had our many ups & downs, but I try not to let it affect me too awful bad.  It's the ones who get up, brush theirselves off, & get going again that will overcome their obstacles, & these are the same ones who will win in the end!!!  Every couple is going to have hard times, but you can't just walk out of a marriage when the going gets tough.  You take your vows "FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, IN SICKNESS & IN HEALTH"!!!  You don't just leave just b/c you don't get your way!!!  I know a few girls who have done this, & if you ask me, it wasn't true love, or they would've stayed & stuck it out!!!  You don't walk out on true love!!!  RIGHT???

Actually, we've only been officially "together" for 11 1/2 years almost to the day...married 10 years.  Not bad for marrying young, huh???  Most young couples in this day & age won't make it to 4 years!!!  (according to statistics!)

*Joy*
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 30/06/2006 00:36:59
Karen, the countdown is off!  Denny made me mad...government is holding him back with property there..i know the government is not going to release property but he is stubborn...he wants to stay until it is over..i told him i wouldn't ask again when he was coming, he could tell me.  this is going to be 6 months soon for him to be over there...Denny and I aren't fun to me...I maybe just upset...not sure? Can't clearly think as I am steaming upset...maybe I don't need to get married?  I even asked him how could he be caught dead with a dumb american like me...he was a bit upset when I said that...then he had nerve enough to ask me to prove it!  How do I prove to be a dumb American?  Okay, I told him I don't know how to open my email anymore...pretty dumb statement I think...he was just quiet and said he loved me...I hung up...I was rude...I was awful...and dumb! I will send him an email that tells him my feet are big and if we marry, they would need more covers!

Joy, interesting...had a huge tiff today with man...maybe I am not the marrying type????  Maybe I am still not ready for marriage???  I know you have to have ups and downs...but you are scaring me with the for better or for worse part, I think seeing that hit me hard!  Is it possible?  Could I live with this as I do keep my promises and don't want to ever break any?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: another_someone on 30/06/2006 03:01:28
Lo,

I don't remember exactly, but I have a recollection that you are somewhere around 40 years of age.

It is generally a lot more difficult getting married when you have got that far into your life without having to make the compromises that marriage requires.

My cousin, who is 43, has just got engaged, and I have no doubt he will have quite a transition to make.  At my age (49 (50 in a couple of weeks), and never in a long term relationship), I would not ever dream of taking such a risk.  Then again, I have a father who changes wives as often as most people change jobs (wife number 5 at present, and a few unofficial one's inbetween), so I suppose I am more cynical than most about marriage.



George
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 30/06/2006 03:20:34
George,

Yes, I am 43 actually...I know about compromises and have done it a few times before.  LOL  There are a lot of things I have thought about here, adjustment is one, but this back and forth for the last 6 months has been hard on both of us, but there are other things besides this too..but at least if he was here we could work through some other things...
I struggle with some things myself such as my space as when I cleaned out my closet so I can make room for Denny's stuff...I thought about it and realized it is more than just closet space room has to be made there are so many things I have to deal with myself...I do thank God he is patient and understands my stupidity...If I do get married he and I have both agreed there is no out...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 30/06/2006 09:32:41
Hello Loretta, Please feel better! I am so sorry for your upset today and am wishing you two all the happiness anyway!  I know how that distance can feel. I was away from Bob for 7 months, but I got to see him about ten days total in that 7 month spand, and He was sleeping the whole time he was home.  I was devastated and we were both miserable. We had been together for 20 years and had only been apart twice for two days while he attended a baseball game at the stick and when I had gone to visit a close freind.
  There is alot to be said about not giving up. You guys can do this, Just think he doesn't know you are going to say yes! Perhaps he is delaying from the fear of being turned down again. Maybe not, but maybe! It sounds like you love him very much and that he loves you. You guys can work out details and things can come together if you truely want them too. It sounds like you have some reservations, so remember how important your decision is , and I know you are really weighing this, as I am reading your post. Remember being married is first the joining of your hearts, not the words on the paper. Your hearts will tell you what to do, and the rest will fall into place! Love is a funny thing, it can make you a nervous wreck. You two know each others hearts and  how you act upon the feelings in your heart will depend on what is truely inside. I love ya Loretta, I am sorry for your sadness and doubt! Pray on it, ponder it and be brave and strong! Keep your chin high!


                               .....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 30/06/2006 11:34:07
Whoa!  Pretty deep insight into this matter Karen...you could be right that little rascal!  I swear he will have to play laser tag...hehe  I need a huge laugh or two...He could be delaying this as he says now he is a bit nervous...never seen him nervous before...I guess this is a good thing for a change...I do love him a lot...okay more than a lot...immeasurably and he knows this too.  I am sure he is scared that I will not accept, but he has been ignoring that fact and trying to make plans for the honeymoon...??  They say us women are complicated..hmmphhh!  I do want them to work out.  I know my only reservation is I don't want to get married and we fall apart...even though we have promised each other that if we do get married...the D-word is never to be brought up or spoken to each other...I just don't ever want to split up...I know, you are right it is more than paper, but with paper it is final with the two of us.  We haven't spoken since the last call and I was a horse's batudie when he tried to reach me a couple of time and did not pick up the phone...now that we have a way to talk we aren't...no excuse of communication workers now...I am trying to listen to more than my heart and hear what my brain is trying to disect too.  We do know each other's heart and I know he would like to call, but it is pointless right now until he can come to terms about certain things with the government over there...this could cost him more than money and not sure if he wants to continue doing this or not...meaning he could desire to stay longer and longer just to try to win and anyone who knows anything about that country knows you may win in court, but the government is very crooked so they will eventually win in the end.  Thanks Karen for your concern, thoughts, and love...it is very supportive along with everyone else...I have to experience sadness sometimes even though it is not my forte as I usually love life and have much joy...but today it has stilled in my mind and my heart.  I will continue praying, pondering over it, brave and strong...think that flew out the window...but will force myself to go to work today and throw myself into it heavily...

Low Lo

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 02/07/2006 08:06:19
Love stands strong in every heart Loretta, you mustn't give up your faith in Love! Within love you will find your strength! You are stronger then you know and I continue to think of you with great admiration for your love and zest for life. Peaceful dreams my friend!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 02/07/2006 10:05:34
Karen, I haver irrationally and rationally tried to sort this out...I am now going to walk through the door of destiny of what is going to be and what will be....?  I have to make a call to wish Denny a happy birthday regarldess how unhappy he or myself is at the moment...today is his birthday.  I cannot be a coward and just email or im...and yes i left an offline message but he hasn't been online...i know, i know it was the pollo or poulet way out of hearing his voice...and I know I have to pick up the telephone to call and wish him a Happy Birthday...I don't want to, this goes against my principals...but it also goes against my principals not to call as it is the right thing to do...my faith for love has went down the tubes...maybe I should read one of those trash novels so I can quit thinking...hehe  I have no more strength it is taking ever bit of my willpower to pick up the phone in 21/2hrs to make this call...this is one of the hardest things to do...I just wonder why this had to hapen right before his birthdday, why ccouldn't this have transpired after so I wouldn't have to pick up the stupid phone?  I am looking at the phone as it it is a traitor and should be punished for treason of the heart in a bit...

I really thank you for thinking I am stronger than I really am...but the truth...I am very vulnerable and hate to think when I make this call that I may breakdown and cry...this could be it, our relationship could take flight and never return the same again as we may now take separate paths which logically this job has separated us more than anytime in 2 years. Or this could make me cry and show more vulnerability than ever...also, it is the first time I have ever recalled Denny being this strong not calling, emailing, or im'ing after the first day...maybe he is tired of fighting this too? maybe he realizes this is the end? maybe he has given up like I am on my pathway of giving up too?  I feel like it is a stalemate where we face each other and have to decide if we continue on or if we go forward or not...we have one move to make.

Thanks Karen for your admiration for my love and zest for life...not sure if I can meet those standards in your eyes but you are a great encouragement to me for seeing your strength day by day in the many things you have accomplished...I can't thank you enough my friend.  If it hadn't been for you, neil, Joy, and a few others here...I would probably have turned into a total recluse...but this forum and the other one seems to help keep me on my toes and laughing...
I am afraid to report no dreams tonight...sleep has escaped my clutches...I hope you were able to sleep?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 02/07/2006 18:25:32
Yes I slept. Am thinking of you at this difficult time! All will be alright Loretta!.....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tootsie78 on 02/07/2006 20:35:59
Hang in there Loretta!  I am still thinking about you & this situation!!!  You'll get through it girl!  I can tell this is "the real thing" between the 2 of you!!!

*Joy*
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 03/07/2006 04:47:12
Karen and Joy!  Thanks!  This is really dragging and  as my computer now.  I had difficulty getting in touch with Denny but manage to say Happy Birthday to him...but the phone cut us off...he sounded happy...but I am not still...need to get to the bottom of this issue.  I have to call him back as I have to go over a couple of things with him.  I am just wanting this to be over soon.  Talk to you guys later...I can't type any thing else.  Good night for now..have a new book to get into.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 03/07/2006 12:00:17
Karen, thought more rationally about this situation...just like in the diary I think he thinks I am about to throw in the towell on this relationship...which can only happen if he chooses too or if he stays another 3 months over there in that country..I know 9 months total is long enough for him to be stubborn or tired of situation as I will not go to Africa to meet him there as he needs to think how this decision is affecting him...he has enough mercy from me to allow another 3 months...which I will email him and tell him that...I was not going to, but have decided to tell him he has 3 months to make up his mind the land or me?  I understand his decision but what I understand is how corrupt the government is over there...they have more staying power and he is stubborn but sometimes it can be a bad thing...which will be for us.  yes, I could go over there, but that would not change his mind.  Maybe I shouldn't tell him in my mind that I have 3 months as his ultimate timeframe?  Nah, thought about this too much and at some point and time I need to regain my life back this depression is not worth it.  

Talk to you guys later...(boy, my spelling is attrocious as I read a post or two of mine ago...)hehe

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 03/07/2006 20:28:52
Well Loretta, Comunication is good! Glad to see it friend, and you are right about The depression being no good!

 You know Loretta, we all make decisions about things, to stay or not to stay; but sometimes we all have to learn the hard way or we don't learn anything! Isn't that just a kick in the pants. No matter what I say to my children, I always find that more then likely they will try it their way, anyway before they learn. There have been more then one occasion that this held true and many times that I could have said, "I told you so!" Live and learn I guess!...have a great day! ....karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 28/06/2006 13:53:30
Hee Hee !!...you're going to need engagement ring, wedding rings, bridesmaid rings...rings rings rings rings rings!!!....hmmmmm !!..if only you knew of a good jeweller !! [;)][:D][:D][;)]

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tootsie78 on 28/06/2006 21:20:07
HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  LORETTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I married young!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Joy*
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 29/06/2006 04:08:20
Karen.......WOW !!...you are amazing at recalling and then telling with eloquence your wonderful memories. You are very articulate.....and hubby is a super bloke....and ...he's lucky too.

Thanks for a great luvvy duvvy post....

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tootsie78 on 29/06/2006 05:03:07
Sorry, I have NOOO idea why that posted 3 times!  SORRY EVERYBODY!

*Joy*
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tootsie78 on 29/06/2006 05:07:43
Karen,
I was 18 when we got married...JUST turned 18!  I was 15 when we met, 16 when we started dating, 17 when we got engaged, & 18 when we got married.  He was definitely not my first kiss, or first hug, or first love...but he is my FOREVER LOVE!!!  There is nobody else on this earth for me!  He's mine & all mine forever!  LOVE HIM TO DEATH!!!  I have an idea all you ladies!  Let's post pics of our hubbies (or significant others), k???  Sound good?

*Joy*
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 29/06/2006 06:00:03
Neil, you are too funny...of course, i will make sure you get first dibs on my rings...you do design right?

Joy, you married young and you chose correctly...I married young and foolishly.  Good point also about him being forever...I am sure Denny and I will be fine...as he said, it will be a great union!  LOL

Karen, you are so awesome...enjoyed the story...21yrs of age and you chose correctly too.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 29/06/2006 08:49:17
Met when you were 15, how cool is that! How old are you Joy! I think you told me once but I can't remember! I really love you guys you are all so awesome. So lets not forget this kind of Love. I have fallen in love here in this forum over and over again with all of you friends. Such strong feelings I can honestly say some of them as strong as the feelings I have for my own family.  Neil you are on the top of that list with your wit and wisdom as are Joy Loretta and Carolyn and all my other friends. I enjoy reading posts from George and laith and hadrian , Michael Chris and Dave as well as DocBeaver. I think that you are all wonderful...Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 29/06/2006 09:03:01
Well Mamesa.
 I know that when I met my husband the very first time I liked him, I offered him a piece of gum, we were just co workers, He had incredible striking big blue eyes. Lots of curly sandy blonde hair. So at first I thought he was cute, but with no intentions of relationship cute, like I want to jump your bones. Just a cute guy! Very Quiet. I liked that, he was not loud and obnocious like some men I had met. So that was attractive to me. He was very polite and sweet and most of all he was oh so gentle in spirit and demeanor.  For the most part he still is. Those were attributes I liked as well as the fact that he was very honest. So There were a ton of different things that attracted him to me....
I have to think on that some more!.... Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Titanscape on 29/06/2006 13:02:54
Love involves commitment, like a foundation. Emotion, will, thought and then commitment to build and rebuild. Commitment not to contradict the love and emotions at a time of other pressures on the emotions...

Titanscape
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Titanscape on 29/06/2006 13:07:43
Love is generated in the unseen parts, the heart and mind, will, emotions, and involving the consciousness.

It is expressed in the body and there are pressures in the body to the effect of contradicting the ideals of love. The sex drive for example. And sex involves the heart and will and mind and emotions and body, to contradict or express love. The latter is a good thing.

Titanscape
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 29/06/2006 13:28:06
Karen, I love the forum too!  I also love ya and the rest of the group you mentioned  too!  What an incredible group of people here!  You are all invited to my wedding!  I am laughing as you just handed future hubby a piece of gum...myself?  I met Denny in the UK as I had a stopover before heading to London the next morning to run off to Frankfurt all for the love of business...we met briefly and this guy wouldn't leave me alone...he kept bugging me!  I was as polite as I could be with a pest...lol  Okay not nice at all as I thought he was just trying to pick me up...and then he found out some of my business associates were with me and one of them gave him my cellphone number(personal), swore them to secrecy and to this day I don't know which one did it?  I had it narrowed down to 3 suspects, wined and dined them...and the guilty one was strong???whomever he or she was?  To this day he won't tell me...

It took him 4 months later after much pestering...when I finally agreed to meet him in NY for brunch as he was there on business too or so he says?  My plan was to meet him and end this "so called love he was in with me"...and I discovered I enjoyed his conversation face to face when before I wouldn't give him much time on the phone to discover who he was due to our distance. He has told me he fell in love with me the minute he laid his eyes on me...I never believed in love at first sight...it isn't logical to me?  But after this time he has not changed and I believe him now.

He reminds me of how I tried to lose him, but he was a strong enough man as he could tell I was different than anyone he has met...hehe I tell him I am a simple person... but for some reason he laughs.  I have the feeling he doesn't believe me??

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tootsie78 on 29/06/2006 13:32:28
Karen,
I am currently 28, and my hubby is 29 1/2...

*Joy*
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 29/06/2006 17:05:33
Joy you and hubby are  Close to what I thought you might be. You guys have been seeing each other for 15 years and married for 10 years. Thats great. Keep that attitude, you will need it. There will be times you think you can't stsnd each other, but you will be fine! You remind me of myself at that age, you have spunk!

 Loretta that is a sweet story about Denny. I bet you never imagined you would be marring him back then when he was the "pest."  I believe in love at first sight or first talk, as many people meet through correspondanse. I have a cousin on my husbands side of the family that met his wife  as a pen pal in Japan. They are now married and have several grown children. They have a wonderful relationship. They overcame many obstacles between them and have remained very much in love for all these years! It is easy to fall in love with someone when you talk via mail or email. I think you tend to be able to speak more honestly about the inner most parts of your heart, which allows another to see the person you really are. You are able to express yourself without that embarrsed feeling or apprehension you might have if you were face to face. I guess I am just a mush pot. I am a pretty sappy person and even for me at home I know that is something I restrain. I think it is a defense mode thing, I guess.
  I know that some people can be totally different persons through the mail, but I think that is the exception rather then the rule!

  Joy you two sound so great! I wish you every happiness. Loretta The same for you. You are a fun couple it seems to me!...Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tootsie78 on 29/06/2006 22:08:55
Karen,
Yes, Jason & I have had our many ups & downs, but I try not to let it affect me too awful bad.  It's the ones who get up, brush theirselves off, & get going again that will overcome their obstacles, & these are the same ones who will win in the end!!!  Every couple is going to have hard times, but you can't just walk out of a marriage when the going gets tough.  You take your vows "FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, IN SICKNESS & IN HEALTH"!!!  You don't just leave just b/c you don't get your way!!!  I know a few girls who have done this, & if you ask me, it wasn't true love, or they would've stayed & stuck it out!!!  You don't walk out on true love!!!  RIGHT???

Actually, we've only been officially "together" for 11 1/2 years almost to the day...married 10 years.  Not bad for marrying young, huh???  Most young couples in this day & age won't make it to 4 years!!!  (according to statistics!)

*Joy*
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 30/06/2006 00:36:59
Karen, the countdown is off!  Denny made me mad...government is holding him back with property there..i know the government is not going to release property but he is stubborn...he wants to stay until it is over..i told him i wouldn't ask again when he was coming, he could tell me.  this is going to be 6 months soon for him to be over there...Denny and I aren't fun to me...I maybe just upset...not sure? Can't clearly think as I am steaming upset...maybe I don't need to get married?  I even asked him how could he be caught dead with a dumb american like me...he was a bit upset when I said that...then he had nerve enough to ask me to prove it!  How do I prove to be a dumb American?  Okay, I told him I don't know how to open my email anymore...pretty dumb statement I think...he was just quiet and said he loved me...I hung up...I was rude...I was awful...and dumb! I will send him an email that tells him my feet are big and if we marry, they would need more covers!

Joy, interesting...had a huge tiff today with man...maybe I am not the marrying type????  Maybe I am still not ready for marriage???  I know you have to have ups and downs...but you are scaring me with the for better or for worse part, I think seeing that hit me hard!  Is it possible?  Could I live with this as I do keep my promises and don't want to ever break any?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: another_someone on 30/06/2006 03:01:28
Lo,

I don't remember exactly, but I have a recollection that you are somewhere around 40 years of age.

It is generally a lot more difficult getting married when you have got that far into your life without having to make the compromises that marriage requires.

My cousin, who is 43, has just got engaged, and I have no doubt he will have quite a transition to make.  At my age (49 (50 in a couple of weeks), and never in a long term relationship), I would not ever dream of taking such a risk.  Then again, I have a father who changes wives as often as most people change jobs (wife number 5 at present, and a few unofficial one's inbetween), so I suppose I am more cynical than most about marriage.



George
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 30/06/2006 03:20:34
George,

Yes, I am 43 actually...I know about compromises and have done it a few times before.  LOL  There are a lot of things I have thought about here, adjustment is one, but this back and forth for the last 6 months has been hard on both of us, but there are other things besides this too..but at least if he was here we could work through some other things...
I struggle with some things myself such as my space as when I cleaned out my closet so I can make room for Denny's stuff...I thought about it and realized it is more than just closet space room has to be made there are so many things I have to deal with myself...I do thank God he is patient and understands my stupidity...If I do get married he and I have both agreed there is no out...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 02/07/2006 08:06:19
Love stands strong in every heart Loretta, you mustn't give up your faith in Love! Within love you will find your strength! You are stronger then you know and I continue to think of you with great admiration for your love and zest for life. Peaceful dreams my friend!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 02/07/2006 10:05:34
Karen, I haver irrationally and rationally tried to sort this out...I am now going to walk through the door of destiny of what is going to be and what will be....?  I have to make a call to wish Denny a happy birthday regarldess how unhappy he or myself is at the moment...today is his birthday.  I cannot be a coward and just email or im...and yes i left an offline message but he hasn't been online...i know, i know it was the pollo or poulet way out of hearing his voice...and I know I have to pick up the telephone to call and wish him a Happy Birthday...I don't want to, this goes against my principals...but it also goes against my principals not to call as it is the right thing to do...my faith for love has went down the tubes...maybe I should read one of those trash novels so I can quit thinking...hehe  I have no more strength it is taking ever bit of my willpower to pick up the phone in 21/2hrs to make this call...this is one of the hardest things to do...I just wonder why this had to hapen right before his birthdday, why ccouldn't this have transpired after so I wouldn't have to pick up the stupid phone?  I am looking at the phone as it it is a traitor and should be punished for treason of the heart in a bit...

I really thank you for thinking I am stronger than I really am...but the truth...I am very vulnerable and hate to think when I make this call that I may breakdown and cry...this could be it, our relationship could take flight and never return the same again as we may now take separate paths which logically this job has separated us more than anytime in 2 years. Or this could make me cry and show more vulnerability than ever...also, it is the first time I have ever recalled Denny being this strong not calling, emailing, or im'ing after the first day...maybe he is tired of fighting this too? maybe he realizes this is the end? maybe he has given up like I am on my pathway of giving up too?  I feel like it is a stalemate where we face each other and have to decide if we continue on or if we go forward or not...we have one move to make.

Thanks Karen for your admiration for my love and zest for life...not sure if I can meet those standards in your eyes but you are a great encouragement to me for seeing your strength day by day in the many things you have accomplished...I can't thank you enough my friend.  If it hadn't been for you, neil, Joy, and a few others here...I would probably have turned into a total recluse...but this forum and the other one seems to help keep me on my toes and laughing...
I am afraid to report no dreams tonight...sleep has escaped my clutches...I hope you were able to sleep?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 02/07/2006 18:25:32
Yes I slept. Am thinking of you at this difficult time! All will be alright Loretta!.....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tootsie78 on 02/07/2006 20:35:59
Hang in there Loretta!  I am still thinking about you & this situation!!!  You'll get through it girl!  I can tell this is "the real thing" between the 2 of you!!!

*Joy*
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 03/07/2006 04:47:12
Karen and Joy!  Thanks!  This is really dragging and  as my computer now.  I had difficulty getting in touch with Denny but manage to say Happy Birthday to him...but the phone cut us off...he sounded happy...but I am not still...need to get to the bottom of this issue.  I have to call him back as I have to go over a couple of things with him.  I am just wanting this to be over soon.  Talk to you guys later...I can't type any thing else.  Good night for now..have a new book to get into.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 03/07/2006 12:00:17
Karen, thought more rationally about this situation...just like in the diary I think he thinks I am about to throw in the towell on this relationship...which can only happen if he chooses too or if he stays another 3 months over there in that country..I know 9 months total is long enough for him to be stubborn or tired of situation as I will not go to Africa to meet him there as he needs to think how this decision is affecting him...he has enough mercy from me to allow another 3 months...which I will email him and tell him that...I was not going to, but have decided to tell him he has 3 months to make up his mind the land or me?  I understand his decision but what I understand is how corrupt the government is over there...they have more staying power and he is stubborn but sometimes it can be a bad thing...which will be for us.  yes, I could go over there, but that would not change his mind.  Maybe I shouldn't tell him in my mind that I have 3 months as his ultimate timeframe?  Nah, thought about this too much and at some point and time I need to regain my life back this depression is not worth it.  

Talk to you guys later...(boy, my spelling is attrocious as I read a post or two of mine ago...)hehe

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 03/07/2006 20:28:52
Well Loretta, Comunication is good! Glad to see it friend, and you are right about The depression being no good!

 You know Loretta, we all make decisions about things, to stay or not to stay; but sometimes we all have to learn the hard way or we don't learn anything! Isn't that just a kick in the pants. No matter what I say to my children, I always find that more then likely they will try it their way, anyway before they learn. There have been more then one occasion that this held true and many times that I could have said, "I told you so!" Live and learn I guess!...have a great day! ....karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 03/07/2006 23:18:16
Yes, Karen...so true.  I did talk to him in between every 3 words and think he said he was coming home for a moment or two???  then he has to return.  I did not say a thing...I think he was scared that I was about to throw in the towel on this relationship, darn phone cut off and we were supposed to meet online at 1pm...well, guess who worked until 4pm...me!  I am a little skittish you might say as this is a bit overwhelming.  If I didn't love this man...it would be so much easier and I would throw not only the towel, but the washcloth too!

Hope you are having a great day?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 04/07/2006 01:19:01
Oh Loretta, You are a great soul! Much love to you!
  You have a great day too!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 04/07/2006 01:26:11
You are the "bestest" Karen...thanks for your support!  Couldn't do it without you guys!  More love to you and let it surround you like a furry blanket in the dead of winter!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 04/07/2006 02:25:33
Ooooh! Thank you loretta as I love to be warm in the dead of winter. I don't like being cold, or hot! No Prob friend you mean alot to us!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 04/07/2006 02:28:34
Awww, you are not only the "bestest", but the sweetest too!  You guys mean alot to me too!  Wow!  Cannot believe I am feeling pretty up now!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 04/07/2006 02:40:01
Cool Loretta! Lets go penquin scouting, where did Neil and Michael get off to?
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 04/07/2006 02:42:18
hehe...did you say penguins?  Sure, miss having everyone knit some booties...hehe  Michael is still superheroing...just met him in the gold star section..can't wait until someone gets a pic of him in his superhero clothes...yeah!  Maybe it should be black and white like a little pengy?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 04/07/2006 02:44:07
oh, forgot one thing karen...I think we are running around in the forum by ourselves with the superhero..hehe...maybe we can think of something to get him into...hmmm?   I meant to save people from the villians and all...we just love him..oh forgot to mention but what does love got to do with it?  Just teasing...Love Tina Turner and thought of her song..hehe

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: ukmicky on 04/07/2006 03:43:48
As long as its not skin tight i'll wear it, you see the worlds not ready to see the size of my bulging ........um.......er..... Neil whats the word i'm looking for(silly me you wouldnt know [:)])um ... biceps quite yet.


Michael
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 04/07/2006 03:54:25
Yeperoo! Humor is alive and well in here tonight! You guys crack me up! Seems we are playing hide and seek tonight!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 04/07/2006 03:59:46
woo hoo! biceps...our eyes...be careful don't blind us

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Carolyn on 04/07/2006 04:21:28
quote:
Originally posted by ukmicky

As long as its not skin tight i'll wear it, you see the worlds not ready to see the size of my bulging ........um.......er..... Neil whats the word i'm looking for(silly me you wouldnt know [:)])um ... biceps quite yet.


Michael



Michael- Please post superhero picture asap!  I don't know about the world, but I'm sure the women here are more than ready to see those biceps.[;)][:D][:D][;)]

Carolyn
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 04/07/2006 04:49:45
Sounds like a plan Michael!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 04/07/2006 05:03:04
Hear the whistles Michael!  LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 04/07/2006 11:16:03
I think Michael went to bed! Poor Loretta and karen must find someone else to tag!

  How about another love story! Any takers?
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 04/07/2006 11:19:26
LOL No doubt...we mustn't wear ourselves out...lol

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 05/07/2006 03:50:33
I have decided for sure "what does love got to do with anything"  LOL  Where is Tina now?  I need to ask her to make a revised edition...hehe

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/07/2006 07:43:48
Love has to to with everything LOretta as one must love themselves before they can truely love another!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 05/07/2006 09:14:03
I love myself...lol  Just want Tina to sing a bluesy song now..and revise the one!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/07/2006 09:33:02
That might be nice ! Feeling a bit sad I understand that! trying to find some thing to sing for you but it might damage you forever if I belt out a song!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 06/07/2006 04:53:23
Yes, feeling sad a bit, but not depressed...whew!  I am more relieved...but I do know there will be days when I play some sad songs...Girl, belt it out!  I enjoy it!  LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/07/2006 09:07:11
What does one do when their life is with one, and your heart lies with another?
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 06/07/2006 12:57:56
they cry, they pray, they seek fun, they seek solitude, they seek adventure, they seek the future, and I will only have my life and my heart will be torn from the clutches of another who yet seeks the riches of the world... :-(

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/07/2006 13:59:16
Loretta you are a keeper!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 06/07/2006 14:02:58
You are so sweet Karen!  I am just surprised that "another" won't make me make the choice...but it is not looking well right now...I am 80 percent sure he will sit it out and he is not thinking too clearly...but destiny's door awaits to be opened...this journey is traveled one step at a time.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/07/2006 14:08:19
Yes thats right Loretta, Just one step at a time. Things will be ok!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 07/07/2006 05:41:37
Actually I am down, but not to the point of depression...it is in waves at moments and then it passes and nausea overtakes me a bit...I think I am prepared for the big breakup!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 07/07/2006 13:55:34
Oh Loretta, I am so sorry! Love to you friend hang in there!.......Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 07/07/2006 14:19:38
I thank you so much my friend...your love is appreciated so much...love back at ya!  Too low today to write much here put it in the diary section...Low Lo

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tony6789 on 07/07/2006 19:07:14
am i loved?

NEVER! underestimate youth
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 07/07/2006 20:41:55



Of course you are Tony, very much.



Helena   xxx



Title: Re: Love
Post by: Carolyn on 07/07/2006 21:12:02
quote:
Originally posted by Grecian



Of course you are Tony, very much.


Helena   xxx



Ditto![:)]

Carolyn
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Carolyn on 07/07/2006 21:16:49
Helena - Right back at ya!

Carolyn
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 07/07/2006 21:20:25


I also love Karen, Lo, Carolyn, Joy

and all the other wonderful people on

this site.

Love you lots

Helena   xxxx



Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 07/07/2006 21:22:10


Carolyn - Whoops.


Love you lots


Helena    xxxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 08/07/2006 00:01:42
ALL my love to all of you special friends , You to Tony!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 08/07/2006 21:04:31
Being in Love is fantastic! We all Loves each other in this science forum, very interesting me thinks!

   .........Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tony6789 on 09/07/2006 07:35:46
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.

Being in Love is fantastic! We all Loves each other in this science forum, very interesting me thinks!

   .........Karen

r u srious?! we all oves each other? me thinks?

NEVER! underestimate youth
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 09/07/2006 16:02:12
Come on Tony Lighten Up, Don't ya ever like to have a little fun? Don't ya ever feel Happy or giddy or excited, or even just a wee bit silly? Sometimes when your as old as I am it feels really nice to relax and enjoy life and not take everything so darn seriously ya know! Have you ever felt like a small child care free and alive? Well I've felt like that for the last few days and that just doesn't happen very often!  Someday you will understand friend! Certainly please take no offence to my post as it was not meant to offend anyone. How is your day going anyway? Good I hope! see ya later......Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 09/07/2006 17:19:00
Tony you are loved...We will always love ya!  Just don't fall in love at your young age!  Experience life and enjoy it!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 09/07/2006 18:16:19
HERE HERE!....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 14/07/2006 04:53:20
psst, anyone around this side of the post...i have just decided that being in love will never happen for me again.  Denny's emails are driving me a bit nuts now and annoying me badly

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 14/07/2006 13:04:14


Loretta - Time is the great healer.


Love you lots


Helena xxx



Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 14/07/2006 13:35:05
Yes, Helena this is true...I just think being alone when I am much older does not sound like a bad idea....maybe traveling a bit more and enjoying my life without the headache...hey sorry i missed you yesterday, I was working and forgot to change status message...I am home for most of the day except running as few as errands as possibly ole girl is tired today.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 14/07/2006 16:51:22
Oh Loretta,
 Please don't give up on love, you are too young and beautiful to do that! One is never to old for true love,and friend you just never know when it is going to jump up and bite you on the backside girl! Just when you think there is nothing left in life for you, no excitement, BOOM, Like a mac truck, its gonna knock the wind right out of ya! You wait and see! Right know you just need time to heal and smile and give your self lots of hugs from me and your friends as we are all thinking of you and sending you so  much Love!!! Take care today and put that smile back on and start over. Every moment is a new chance to begin again friend! Lots of love, Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: another_someone on 14/07/2006 16:56:09
quote:
Originally posted by moonfire
Yes, Helena this is true...I just think being alone when I am much older does not sound like a bad idea....maybe traveling a bit more and enjoying my life without the headache...hey sorry i missed you yesterday, I was working and forgot to change status message...I am home for most of the day except running as few as errands as possibly ole girl is tired today.



It is too early for you to decide what will be, but even if you never fall in love again, one can love without falling in love, and one can live alone without being alone.

As one gets older, I suppose it gets ever more difficult to wrap your life around another person, but your need for other people to be part of your life does not diminish.

But, time will tell.



George
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 14/07/2006 19:37:33
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.

Oh Loretta,
 Please don't give up on love, you are too young and beautiful to do that! One is never to old for true love,and friend you just never know when it is going to jump up and bite you on the backside girl! Just when you think there is nothing left in life for you, no excitement, BOOM, Like a mac truck, its gonna knock the wind right out of ya! You wait and see! Right know you just need time to heal and smile and give your self lots of hugs from me and your friends as we are all thinking of you and sending you so  much Love!!! Take care today and put that smile back on and start over. Every moment is a new chance to begin again friend! Lots of love, Karen




Okay, now that is definitely an oxymoron statement...love did bite me on the backside and that is why there is a hunk of it missing..lol  Being bit hurts, so why bother.  I don't get hurt if I don't take a chance!  Now that the wind is back in me, I can fly and go where I want, do what I want, and oh, scratch that...lol  I just can get into things with my curious nature...hehe With all the love I have from you guys here and from my friends...this is a breeze for me.  I went 6 yrs before this relationship so I am sure I can last a lifetime without another like this!  But I am happy! I am smiling!  The sun is jealous as it is trying to beat it out of me...but I am grinning from ear to ear...[^]

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 14/07/2006 19:40:26
I can concur with that statement George!  I believe that statement to be a fact of my future.  As for deciding if I will have a person share my life...definitely, I am making that decision.  If I don't let anyone close enough to my heart, I will be okay and safe!  I can love without being in love!  I can live alone without feeling alone...as for me needing other people to be a part of my life, no problem...I have friends!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tootsie78 on 14/07/2006 22:14:08
Yeah Loretta!  We're you're friends, & we always WILL be your friends!!!  [:D]

*Joy*
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 14/07/2006 23:06:16
You are such a sweetie Joy!!  Denny just called, oh brother?  He is wondering why I am acting different?? duh...?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tootsie78 on 15/07/2006 03:40:21
He just won't give up, will he Lo???  MEN!!!  (sorry guys!)

*Joy*
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 15/07/2006 03:43:50
He acts like he won't...he just called again..he is begging me and I really don't have anything to say as he has to work it out as I have done all I can do...I told him things stand as they stand and had to say goodbye...thinks the enemy is getting in between us...??????

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 15/07/2006 03:48:04
What if you said to him that the only way to start making things better is to come home now...and he did...would you reconsider ?

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 15/07/2006 04:01:40
He would have to rebuild what he has torn down...he already thinks and I confirmed it that I couldn't trust him now with all the accusations thrown around at my feet.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/07/2006 04:42:41
It takes alot of time to build that kind of trust again, years and years for some of us!

...Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: ukmicky on 15/07/2006 05:08:50
Anythings possible when it comes to love.



Michael
Title: Re: Love
Post by: ukmicky on 15/07/2006 05:10:20
Sometimes we men do silly things and its only afterwards we suddenly realize how stupid and dumb we've been.

Michael
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 15/07/2006 05:13:47
Right Karen!  So true.  

Right Michael...and yes, men do silly things and so do women...lol

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/07/2006 05:37:47
Yes I think we all do and forgiveness is a hard thing sometimes, but it needs to happen in order for one to live with ones self!
  Michael, I agree with your comment about anything is possible when it comes to love. Miracles are possible when it comes to love!....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/07/2006 05:57:17
I lived with anger and disillusionment  after my husband had a one night fling and decided to tell me about it 10 years after the fact. I was devastated and felt so many things towards him the least of them these! I was hurt and the hate I felt inside began to eat away at me. I loved him and I hated him. My heart was split in two. I have spent the last 10 years trying to figure out why I stayed and finally decided he was the father to my children he was a good man and even though I will never feel for him as I once did, I forgave him. The only problem is that I can't forget. I don't feel that same love for him as once I did. There is no passion. There is respect love and freindship, but not what you should have in your marraige. It should be joyous happy exhilerating and crazy full of passion. Next week is my 25th anniversary and It's been a long haul. I have very mixed feelings about the whole thing.
Loretta the only advice I can really give you is to follow your heart as you are the one who has to live with the decisions. Sorry, its not like you asked for advice ehh!...Love Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 15/07/2006 13:14:18
No, it is quite alright Karen.  Yikes....you are more woman than I..I admire you.  When I was married the last time ex cheated and I found a lawyer right away...Before I was married I laid down the "stuff" I would not tolerate, Cheating, abuse(both physical and verbal), and if you called me a name that was not on my birth certificate it had better be an endearing one.  He broke the rules and moved out, I immediately went too the lawyers office, she found where he was staying(at girlfriend's house)in 10 minutes flat....that is the reason why she was hired, plunked down retainer and was divorced 2 months later.  Papers was served at girlfriend's house.  

As for Denny, he was my dearest friend who I confided in but felt like he turned his back against me which I explained to him.  Yes, I still love him...I just can't get rid of it as easily as it took me a while to fall in love with him.  I trusted him with all my heart and ignored him when he accused me of Nelson before or just plain accused me of cheating as I knew he was under stress..Now I feel he has attacked me with all of the accusations, but will not allow him to accuse me of being a cheater and allowing it to stand!  My heart and my mind say two different things, but I know there is nothing I will do to forward this relationship with him. :-(  If he finds a way back to fix "things" it is up to him as I told him last night and I could not guarantee that it would be possible now as time is a big factor but one he has chosen to play cards against him.  If he does, then he would definitely be one creative soul, intelligent enough to do this as this has never been accomplished before...right now things will stand as they did before and I will go forward in my life...blasted emotions!  I still have to deal with them, but time will take care of that as well.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/07/2006 15:03:12
Yes it will friend!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 17/07/2006 14:56:36
Loretta, How are you doing this week girl.  I am posting here as it is such a lovely thread that I hate to see it go by the wayside. It makes my heart warm to here of all the love around. Need to know that there is an abundant amount out in this world and I know that there is alot of you who have some shining examples of that love!.......Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 17/07/2006 15:17:51
Karen, I am fine.  I am a little down, but not depressed...whew...I am just not my whole self when I am out with friends or at gatherings.  I just want my friends and their acquaintances to give me some time as I am not ready for the dating scene and probably won't be for a very long time.  Love is really a splendid thing!  It was great while I had it and definitely don't forget special relationships.  Most of all, I miss the friendships they were built upon and will definitely miss Denny as he chooses thus far not to remain friends if we cannot be together.  
I may never get into a relationship again, but will have fond memories which one day I may write about.  Right now, I am just trying to get through day by day as the love we shared fades in the background into a memory of a love lost.  I don't cry as much as I did in the beginning as I feel bad as Denny let loose of the reigns or was disillusioned that our love could never end.  But when he really thinks about the email I had sent when I ended it, maybe one day he will understand that choosing to have everything one way is not an agreed upon solution as other lives depend upon it.  I have thought about every possible way to see this through and Michael and George both offered some excellent information.  I wish I could get back together with Denny just for my hearts sake!  It is not logical at the downfall of what transpired and I have to think if this would happen after we were married what would be the solution then?  Possibly worse!  I only hope Denny will let it sink in and pray that at least we could be friends.  Love what will it feel to be without it again?  
Some people have emailed me, called or IM'ed asking me if I was looking for a way to get out of a committed relationship, it really is a great question.  But, I was very committed to this relationship.  I was wavering back and forth only on marriage as this is a lifetime committment.  Yes, I could've married Denny and I am sure we would have some beautiful years together...but I still have to think about the times when things wouldn't go well...what then?  I know no one is perfect, I know no one is the "mr. right", but just looking for "mr.acceptable"!  I know, there are important factors that is a must for me in a relationship and communication is most important, especially when there is a serious decision to be made or lifechange!  I had given him many chances to respond and he chose not to...not good.  That is why I called it quits much more than any reason else...as we could've worked through those issues.  I am now deciding in my life there needs to be no other relationships except for building up on my friendship level...each day I become more comfortable knowing that I have known love and smile at the fading memories.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tootsie78 on 17/07/2006 19:10:23
Loretta,
Yes, you will possibly find love again.  Maybe not in the near future, but possibly sometime a long ways off...[;)]
I DO believe in a "Mr. Right", just not a "Mr. Perfect"!!!   You are NEVER going to find "the perfect man" who jumps at your every beck & call or who looks perfect, acts perfect, & pleases you 24/7.  But...I do believe there is SOMEBODY out there who is meant to be your soulmate!  One of these days, your hearts will come together, & then maybe you'll believe in true love!!!
Karen,
I would absolutely DIE if my husband decided to cheat & then not tell me about it until 10 years later!  At least he was sorry for it, & AT LEAST he told you!!!  I can understand your love not being the same.  If my husband ever did that, I don't think that I could ever "fully" trust him again!  It would be one TOUGH road!!!  [:(]  So glad you got through it w/o leaving him!  I understand your hurt though...that's something that destroys more marriages than anything I can think of, & most of the time it is w/ a close friend of the couple!  WHEW!

*Joy*
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 17/07/2006 20:33:43
Karen - I'm so sorry that you have been hurt in this way. You have a big kind heart my friend and you do not deserve to be in this        position, you deserve nothing but the best.
Although, you have decided to stay for tha sake of your children     which is a selfless act, I would not be able to do the same, as I forgive but can't forget. I would find it torture, every time the telephone rang, or he's late coming home I would suspect that he's up to no good.
I know it's 'cutting your nose off to spite your face', but that's just how I am.
I'm sure and happy for you that you have made the right decision for yourself.

Love you lots

Helena  xxxx
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 17/07/2006 20:57:52


Loretta - sent you an e-mail.


Love you lots

Helena  xxx
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 17/07/2006 21:10:21
Okay, I will check it after I get off work.  LOL  I am at lunch now and working a bit later to help Memphis out...lol

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 18/07/2006 04:49:39
Helena, I didn't receive your email..I checked all 3 of my email accounts...which one did you send it to?  



"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 18/07/2006 04:55:44
Love...can you live without it?  If you decided not to love again...what would all of you do?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 18/07/2006 06:39:58
I have made a decision in my life, but it is one I regret as my heart is no longer in my marraige the way it should be. If things were different and my life was not so complicated, I believe I would be gone. He is a good man that made a mistake. I just cannot forget what he did and how long it took him to tell me. Like you I am not as happy as I should be. This decision was mine, and I will live with it until I no longer can.

 I can say I wish there was passion and fire and spark in my marraige, but there is not and never will be. Mutual Respect Friendship, companionship and yes, love, but not true love! You know, the kind that shakes your soul and rattles your brain and makes you so dizzy, you don't know weather your comming or going. When just his touch on your skin takes your breath away and makes your knees weak. A look from his eyes send you into a tail spin! Your heart races at the very thought of him. True love is passionate and and spiritual and exciting. It brings joy and sorrow and laughter and tears. It makes you giddy and warm and comfortable. It makes you feel alive! AHHH, so appologse for getting off on a tangent.

To answer that question Lo, I cannot, as I would never choose to never love again. Even with my marraige I believe in love and I believe that it is so important in our lives. I think I would die without ever having the dream of true love in my heart! I welcome it in with open arms!
Lots of love you guys.....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 18/07/2006 13:16:15
Karen, I understand how hard it must've been.  I respect your decision and think you are pretty awesome to have hung in there.  I, myself can understand what you were thinking about and know that my heart could never be true in my past marriage as well if I had stuck in there..I had forgiven him after the divorce face to face when he requested a meeting and asked for his forgiveness too...for marrying him as he apparently was not ready for marriage...he was shocked I said it, but it was the truth...his intention was to try to get back together, but I just wanted to forgive him and ask for his forgiveness in accepting his proposal.  It is hard to accept what he did Karen,and I think there is nothing wrong with not forgetting...you have been hurt, you have to keep your guard up.  Yes, he is a good man, but still he did what he did...You are a good woman...no matter what, you kept the marriage bed sacred.  Never apologize for going off on a Tangent..lol  I do it all the time.

I like your answer Karen, but not sure if I will love again..notice the word will not can...I know I could, but am choosing not too.  Too much time is invested, going through different changes emotionally, and much more.  Do you think you will remain with your husband for the rest of your life as you have invested so much time in your marriage?


"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 18/07/2006 13:24:53
Helena, received your email...Thanks you are the best lol  ;-)

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 18/07/2006 17:35:01
I will, unless that true love finds me and the circumstances change in away that would make my love for another possible. i wish that with all my heart, as I feel so very empty sometimes. You know that feeling sweet Loretta, and I am glad for you my freind, I undrstand your decisions like mine, I had to choose, no one else can do it for you!  Be well, must go to work....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 18/07/2006 17:48:50
Okay Karen, so true.  I like what you said, "true love finds me and the circumstances change in a way that would make my love for another possible."  My thought process on this matter is a bit odd...as if true love were to find me(or so I had thought anyway)what would I have to go through with that person, do I want to risk my heart and think about this change/changes in my life again and just waste time with a person, or do I find someone who can handle being just my boyfriend and nothing more to be the expected outcome?  Would that be fair to ask of a person?  Would he be able to accept me not being in love with him and while he maybe or not it is not required that he be in love with me?  Or do I just date a few people to keep them from making "a committment" of sorts?  Do I just tell them up front I only want to be close friends, but nothing more than a friendship?  Or just do like I normally do, I only want to be friends?  I know I miss out on the benefits of hand holding, etc..but I think I could live without it...may miss it at times, but surely it will pass.  I understand the empty feeling.  Have a great day at work Karen!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 22/07/2006 19:12:51
Loretta, I'm sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you here! Please forgive me.

I see you putting up such a wall! I want to tell you to just be yourself don't put stop signs up around yourself. Limiting yourself on what emotions you will allow into your heart! You have so much to give and so much room to take in love and happiness and joy and sorrow. I know that your heart has been broken, but time will help ease the pain. You don't have to go out and find a new love, but please Lo don't cut yourself off from that possibility by putting limitations on your emotional investments!

If I had walked away from my marraige back then, my life would be full of anger and unresolved feeling. Yes this marraige is so hard, its had good times and bad, but staying has helped me to grow and forgive. Harboring hate in your heart  just tears you up inside! I will never forget his actions, he knows how I feel and we both respect each others decision. He knows what I want in my life, but he will never be able to provide that as it is not the person he is.

Loretta, just keep loving people as you do, and let them love you too! You are terrific and I pray for you each day, for love and romance and passion and life!.....Karen



quote:
Originally posted by moonfire

Okay Karen, so true.  I like what you said, "true love finds me and the circumstances change in a way that would make my love for another possible."  My thought process on this matter is a bit odd...as if true love were to find me(or so I had thought anyway)what would I have to go through with that person, do I want to risk my heart and think about this change/changes in my life again and just waste time with a person, or do I find someone who can handle being just my boyfriend and nothing more to be the expected outcome?  Would that be fair to ask of a person?  Would he be able to accept me not being in love with him and while he maybe or not it is not required that he be in love with me?  Or do I just date a few people to keep them from making "a committment" of sorts?  Do I just tell them up front I only want to be close friends, but nothing more than a friendship?  Or just do like I normally do, I only want to be friends?  I know I miss out on the benefits of hand holding, etc..but I think I could live without it...may miss it at times, but surely it will pass.  I understand the empty feeling.  Have a great day at work Karen!

"Lo" Loretta

Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 23/07/2006 00:59:45
LOL  Thanks Karen!  Maybe you are the reason why people see the sign "I just broke up with my boyfriend" it has to be on my forehead somewhere in neon lights??  

I know you are right about the walls...I admit it, I feel it very strongly inside me...

Karen, I don't think I have so much to give anymore.  I think I am rather boring and have no life.  I wish it were true...I just don't know if I want to share my secrets or what makes me tick with another person again...is it worth it is the question?  My heart would be broken again if I were to fall in love again????  Do I want to do that or not?

Are you satisfied with your marriage as it stands?  Is it enough for you?  What if someone finds interest in you and is madly in love with you...what do you do?  You are married, but are you married for better or worse???

Thanks for the prayers...not sure if I have much love, romance, or passion anymore than an amphibian...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: another_someone on 23/07/2006 01:28:51
quote:
Originally posted by moonfire
I know you are right about the walls...I admit it, I feel it very strongly inside me...



You have been hurt (nobodies fault – it just is), it is understandable that you should have some emotional scars.  Like physical scars, they are there to allow natural healing beneath, and you should not be concerned about it, and don't pick at it, it just makes the healing slower.  Allow things to take their natural time, and accept that it wont happen tomorrow.

quote:

Karen, I don't think I have so much to give anymore.  I think I am rather boring and have no life.  I wish it were true..



What a silly thing to say.

You are neither boring, and more importantly, you are caring.

Yes, I do think you sometimes have a bit too much all work and no play, which is why things like taking time of to go to that concert must have been good for you.

quote:

.I just don't know if I want to share my secrets or what makes me tick with another person again...is it worth it is the question?  My heart would be broken again if I were to fall in love again????  Do I want to do that or not?



Now is not yet the time to answer those questions.





George
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 23/07/2006 03:57:17
George, thank you...LOL  :Yes, I have been hurt...it will take time, but I like what you said, natural time..hmmm, now that is a thought...most people I know think I ought to hurry up and get out there and get a man...geez, I already had my kids and know I want no more...what is the hurry about??

Thanks George!  Hmmm, I don't think I am interesting and think I am boring...I think I have to agree with you about working a bit too much...but I do enjoy the challenges at times...I will go to a good concert, festival, poetry reading, museum, event, or something unusual to go to or do, it will grab my attention quickly and I will go in a heart beat and work will be left behind.

I am always ahead of thinking about things that are beyond my time now..lol  I have other questions but i am sure it is way ahead of thinking about such things...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 23/07/2006 07:19:18
Loretta,
I am not satisfied with my marraige and if the right person was available and things were different I would take a chance on that new love. My husband and I are friends, We share our children and love them with all we have. But we do not share the love that we once thought we did. My husband made that clear to me when he stepped out. He does things constantly to remind me of his little adventure. I have just stopped caring about that anymore, It only made me question myself and try to blame myself for years for a decision he made! I have come to the conclusion that this was not my fault. He wanted a relationship with no strings attached, so he had an fling if you will! I always believed I would be married for better or worse, but I know in my heart that worse is no way to live and God forgive me I will leave one Day! I cannot see myself in a marraige like this forever. Loretta, time will heal old wounds, you may never forget, but also don't ever think YOU have nothing to give! That is purely ridiculous! You are one of the brightest, funniest, caring, persons I have ever met! You give so much every day! Please don't forget that. ...love you friend....Karen

 
So Loretta, the answer is yes, I would say goodbye to my husband and my friend as weather he is willing to admit it, thats what he wants. He does not want to make the first move! heaven knows why! Obligation I don't know, who's to say!

quote:
Originally posted by moonfire

LOL  Thanks Karen!  Maybe you are the reason why people see the sign "I just broke up with my boyfriend" it has to be on my forehead somewhere in neon lights??  

I know you are right about the walls...I admit it, I feel it very strongly inside me...

Karen, I don't think I have so much to give anymore.  I think I am rather boring and have no life.  I wish it were true...I just don't know if I want to share my secrets or what makes me tick with another person again...is it worth it is the question?  My heart would be broken again if I were to fall in love again????  Do I want to do that or not?

Are you satisfied with your marriage as it stands?  Is it enough for you?  What if someone finds interest in you and is madly in love with you...what do you do?  You are married, but are you married for better or worse???

Thanks for the prayers...not sure if I have much love, romance, or passion anymore than an amphibian...

"Lo" Loretta

Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 23/07/2006 11:07:04
Wow Karen!  I had no idea!  What an arrangement!  Bless your heart!  A love that is with strings attached....a marriage with no strings attached...hmmm, interesting, but so sad.  It is cruel to  me for someone to remind a person of something done wrong to remind the innocent party of it as if it were your fault...and GOOD FOR YOU...YOU KNOW IT WAS NOT YOUR FAULT!!  I am sure it is difficult for time to heal your wounds as you still face the adversary...betrayal of heart is one of the most difficult things to live with...once that door has been opened anything could happen...I know it sounds utterly ridiculous of myself to say that I have nothing to give..let me rephrase it...I don't want to give anything else!  Maybe that is a better way to say it?  Who knows maybe 6 months down the line or 6 years I may change my mind...but I have a feeling I am going to have parameters which will be unpenetratable...

ho, hum...life is so unpredictable...sometimes the when the door is open,you never know where the journey begins....

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 23/07/2006 16:59:55
You know Loretta, I never dared say that out loud to myself or otherwise. I have come a long way, and so have you. Loretta I know you will be fine, and I understand that you don't want to give anymore. These are decisions that are so hard. I am glad you are really thinking hard about it and you have not completely given up on love, at least you have the possibility of maybe someday! Sometimes that is all there is.  Love you friend!....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 23/07/2006 17:12:37
I think it is good to say it out loud sometimes it helps process it better in my mind.  Yes, we have come along ways!  Yes, I get tired of giving so much of myself to another person, that it hurts!  I don't know if I will allow anyone else my heart like I have done in the past....I know, I know the darn prongs over my heart...it is ugly, but it does protect it.  Love them and leave them, right..hehe  Just kidding..I only hope for you to have true love and happiness my friend...I know one day, you will have it!  I am still thinking about the little lizard thing and the guy...hehe  Typical.. :-)

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 23/07/2006 21:11:10


Karen - sometimes it does feel better to unburden yourself, and have good cry if feel like it.


Take care

Love you lots

Helena  xxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 23/07/2006 22:10:55
Thanks Helena, I know you are right! I feel so guilty though as I never thought I would be in a position to just Leave my marriage! I guess life will dictate how I shall proceed as I do not know! One day at a time, I suppose, ehh!


Loretta, Did you reread that cute story as I remailed it to you? I apparently missed the end when I copied it for you, and I did not check it well! Re attached the ending in proper place!

Love you lots ......Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 23/07/2006 22:51:20

Karen - One day you will wake up and know that the day has come for you to make your move,
 be patient my friend it will come. So until then take each day as it comes.

Take care.

Love you lots

Helena  xxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 24/07/2006 04:18:37
Karen, Yes, I still laughed my butt off....but I did get the gist of it.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 24/07/2006 05:00:39
I love that joke, Hey Helena want me to send it to you its good for a laugh?
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 24/07/2006 05:55:46
It is truly worth it as I know you have an open mind Helena!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 24/07/2006 10:43:43

O.K. Karen please send it - if you think my innocence

could stand it LOL.


Love you lots

Helena   xxx



Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 24/07/2006 11:11:45
Helena Just sent it your way.whoops sorry sent recipe again too!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 24/07/2006 11:52:40
Karen, Love the recipe...mmmmmm, I can't wait to make it.  Advacado,mmmm. love it!  what is up?  I am so tired my brain worked too much on applications last night for Memphis Roc program..why do they have to be so big???  Marketing Director sent me an email about 441, I almost fainted..I am 25% done with it and did it all by myself....so I know when I shot her my results she probably fainted, but I had to leave at 9pm my neck was killing me...aagghh!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 24/07/2006 15:23:13


Karen - recipe sounds delicious,

will have to try this soon.


Love you lots

Helena  xxx



Title: Re: Love
Post by: tony6789 on 24/07/2006 16:06:12
i can make CEREAL!!!!!!!!!!!!! yay

NEVER! underestimate youth
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 24/07/2006 16:14:35
Nice tony! Can you eat it too? Is it Frosted Flakes? LOL....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: tony6789 on 24/07/2006 16:24:38
froot loops!

NEVER! underestimate youth
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 24/07/2006 19:36:56



Ah bless him.


Love you lots

Helena  xxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 24/07/2006 21:00:02
sigh, youth and a light heart...I think I am in love with his youthfulness!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 24/07/2006 21:39:29



Loretta - Yes it's so refreshing.


Love you lots

Helena   xxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 25/07/2006 02:17:51
Tony, I used to love Fruitloops and Banannas. Its been years since I have eaten them.....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 25/07/2006 04:17:38
EWWWW!  LOL  I guess it beats broccoli and chocolate ice cream!  LOL  I like honey bunches of oats w/almonds...with bananas thrown on top...beautiful.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 25/07/2006 07:20:18
Actually lo,that sounds pretty good. I always have to be careful as I am allergic to walnuts. Sometimes those others are processed on same belt as walnuts and then look out!! I don't go into shock or anything like some people, but I do get these very obnoctious hives all over my tummy, bottom of my whittle feet and between toes and fingers and on palms  ewwwwwweeeeee! they ictch so badly that I am very parinoid about reading the labels! Must be careful!  ......Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 25/07/2006 12:35:44
okay nothing but coco pebbles for you!  made from rice...lol  Just teasing you...I will grind up wheat and boil it for you...lol  Teasing you girl!  allergic to walnuts??  oh so sad!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 25/07/2006 16:15:07
Walnuts, wine,coffee, and chocolate. I can eat any of them except the walnuts. The coffee if not too much, the chocloate as long as I don't eat too much or combine them with other cafienated items acidy products as that also results in Hives.... I love chocolate. chocolate chip cookies are my favorite warm out of the oven with a glass of whole milk. Then I like molasses crinkles, and peanut butter chocolate chip cookies! oooh, I best leave this topic alone or I'll be in there mixing up something I don't need! Geesh!  I do love cereals although Cautious is my middle name!....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 25/07/2006 17:08:57
lol, what?  No Chocolate or rather not much of it???  wine too???? coffee??? what about tea?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 25/07/2006 17:15:59
I can drink them but not more then a couple cups, if I have , say a cup of coffeee with chocolate, and a coke three hours later or even chocolate in another form, watch out!....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 26/07/2006 18:36:33


Mmmmmmm chocolate can't get enough of it.


Love you lots

Helena   xxxx



Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 27/07/2006 05:24:15
Bacon cream cheese and tomato on a bagel! (BLT on a bagel,w/cream cheese)
cinnimon and toast
Homemade noodles & scotch broth
pizza & rootbeer

Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 27/07/2006 06:16:16
Okay, I am hungry....thanks!  I just promised John I would eat no more pork..miss it already..scotch broth?  what is that?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 27/07/2006 06:57:45



Cinnamon apple pie with cream and a kiss.


Love you lots

Helena  xxxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 27/07/2006 07:12:42
Apple Struedel or Blueberry Cobbler
Torte or Souffle
Mousse or Pudding
Peach Cobbler or Apple Pie
Tarts or Fruit Pizza

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 27/07/2006 07:44:08
My grandma used to make this dish. She would use several cans of Campbells scotch broth, I cannot find it these days. You can make your own with some mutten, carrots, and it seemed like it had barley in it to. Make a nice thick soup like base as it will seem like lots of noodles being smothered by this broth.It was delish, but took hours to make and making the noodles during the day and letting them dry. YUMMMMMY! I will make a batch then write the recipe down as best I can. will try to make a mock one of hers.It is the only way I have ever been able to eat mutten. was very tiny chuncks in the cambells soup can!.....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 27/07/2006 12:55:47
Interesting combo...hmmmm?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 27/07/2006 19:29:46
It was delicious, and of coarse she was a cook . She owned many resturants as a kid. She always used that Scotch broth as a base then she would add her own things to that! Wonderful....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 27/07/2006 22:32:52



Karen - that sounds like a lovely heart warming dish.


Love you lots.

Helena  xxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 28/07/2006 05:46:02
I'm hungry, but too tired to cook...why can't I sleep??  AAGGHH!!  LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 28/07/2006 07:27:55
I'm sorry Loretta, I just can't imagine why you can't sleep. I am worried two, we are both mothers and I understand!get something to eat and try again! I wish I could make some for you, I'd come share a bowl with you!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 28/07/2006 12:58:46
I was too tired to eat last night...You are too sweet...I finally fell asleep and had 4 hours!!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 28/07/2006 16:40:52
Helena It is a delicious dish, I only wish I could find the old Scotch Broth, I haven't seen it for years. Have to see if it could be ordered on line or if they even make it anymore.Who Knows!

Loretta, glad you got a bit of sleep, I got an hour more then you friend!LOL Have a great day ladies.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 28/07/2006 17:45:39
I know...Karen...I am jealous...lol

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 28/07/2006 21:36:12


Good girls get to sleep 7hrs. LOL


Love you lots

Helena  xxx
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 28/07/2006 22:48:56
What???  7hrs...now I am jealous hehe

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 29/07/2006 02:27:46
Geese Helena, I'm Jealous TOO! Are you implying we are not Good girls???LOL
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 29/07/2006 08:26:01
Hey, exactly...hmmmm, maybe I need to learn some of the Greek language...I think I can recall baby moo?  Chara, okay, forgive me it has been a while....lol I will take my title of bad and be done with it...hehe

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 29/07/2006 10:27:04


Karen - not at all, but perhaps you could be even better ! LOL


Love you lots

Helena xxx



Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 29/07/2006 13:22:19
Karen, what should we do with our girl here...hmmmm....i guess love her anyways....but I will come up with a plan here...hehe  hey, remember I am a bad girl...we could send her knitting needles to work on booties for the penguins...lol

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 29/07/2006 13:39:10

Love you too.  

Promise to try and behave when it gets cooler. LOL


Love you lots

Helena  xxx





Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 29/07/2006 14:22:52
You are kidding right?  LOL  Behave when it is cooler...I have already warmed up...why would I do such a thing like that??  LOL  You are the one who better behave, I already told on you to Neilsy!  LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 29/07/2006 15:09:09

Well I did mean me, but since we're both warmed up
it would be a pity to waste it........

Let the games begin LOL....

Love you lots.

Helena  xxx





Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 29/07/2006 16:17:05
You girls are a crack up! where shall we begin, as I am free!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 29/07/2006 18:26:28



Hello Karen - great to have you joining in the fun.


Love you lots

Helena  xxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 29/07/2006 18:42:52
What are you girls meddling in on this fine day! Are you well friend?
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 29/07/2006 18:47:46


Hello Karen - Loretta's gone to restore her strength. LOL



Love you lots.

Helena xxx
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 30/07/2006 01:42:59
I wonder how she is restoring her strength! HUMMMM sounds interesting. I am going to go eat and will be back soon!

What do YOU think Love feels like? What are the mechanics? (trying to get back on topic for this thread!)......Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 30/07/2006 02:24:01
Restoring my strength for what?  I just made it in from work just a bit ago....and you did say, let the games begin...didn't you darling?  ;-)  Well, let's see how naughty you really are?  LOL  Are you so bad, that you could just for no reason put the fire, the spark into your marriage and willing to try anything that maybe suggested???  yes, I have a thought, but waiting on your response...Helena...did you fall on the floor?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 30/07/2006 02:25:57
Love feels like a cloud...one you see that keeps on floating...the mechanics...there are some cute ones and some aren't?  oh, you probably wasn't asking about that one???  Next....

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 30/07/2006 06:51:28
LOL!![:D] Loretta you are right, a soft cloud of Cotton Candy, sweet and sticky and hot from the  spinner! Yummm! Like a roller coaster that has your stomach all uneasy and your adrenilin up and excitement bounding around erraticly out of control!!! Love makes you feel like floating, my mind gets spacey and I am so distracted that I cannot think! Love makes me so dizzy and Giddy! I really don't understand how, but it does and it is absolutely wonderful when it comes round!!![:D][:D].....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 30/07/2006 07:36:28
Okay, Okay...I am starting to get a bit queasy looking at the post above mine...ick...lol By the way, did you just get stuck on the love thing...lol  leave the cotton candy alone!  ;-)

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 30/07/2006 17:28:29
I did, I cannot live without the sugar you know! I hate DIETING!!!Especially That kind of dieting!... But keep in mind I've seen some of those Mechanics, I have two sons here at home that someday soon may be out there! I wish No. 1 son , (He's  a good looking Mechanic,) would spread his wings and find a nice young girl and make beautiful babies for Grandma Here! Someday!
 LOretta, Don't you want to be a grandma someday, Or are you?


                             ..........Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 30/07/2006 17:56:14
lol  I thought as much!  Dieting...notice 3 letters in that nasty word...isn't there a rule about obsene language???  lol  Oh, yeah!  I can't wait until I am a grandma to pay those boys back with their oneryness...not one yet...the oldest and youngest tolerate kids, but do not want any until at least 30 or longer...but Michael...(posted pic in rogues gallery)he can't wait...he scares me!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 30/07/2006 18:26:27
Oooh, I did not see the pic, must go look, looking...........Wow Loretta, He is so handsome!! You should be very proud!!
  Hey did you look at your picture, It is comming up really blurred when I look at iy. All the others are good. Take a peak!!....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 30/07/2006 19:17:03


Loretta, good looking boy.


Love you lots.

Helena   xxx





Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 31/07/2006 00:56:39
Thanks Helena!  I guess I should post my kiddies pics...LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 31/07/2006 01:10:36
You should Loretta!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 31/07/2006 01:27:03
We seemed to have lost the topic on this thread and I am so sorry, I want to try to get it back to original post topic as memasa was kind enough to ask us to keep it serious!  So Please read page 1 and continue appropriately if you will. We can chat in Just chat!LOL What do you think? I feel like I have done a disservice here and gotton lost!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 31/07/2006 01:31:14
This is what love is about where you can talk about anything...anything that matters or doesn't matter...I just am not in love anymore...or almost?  LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: another_someone on 31/07/2006 01:32:05
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.
Oooh, I did not see the pic, must go look, looking...........Wow Loretta, He is so handsome!! You should be very proud!!
  Hey did you look at your picture, It is comming up really blurred when I look at iy. All the others are good. Take a peak!!....Karen



If you are talking about the studio shots – they are I assume deliberate soft focus – to cover up any skin blemishes, etc.  The photo of Lo and Michael I imagine was cut from a larger photo, and probably scanned in, so has very little detail left in it.

BTW, the piccy of Lo in Alaska seems to have gone AWOL.



George
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 31/07/2006 03:06:26
really George be back,looking...........
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 31/07/2006 03:19:23
George, I see lots of picturs of Lo and her trip on the boat, werent those the alaska pics.

Sweet cakes picture was always better of her son and now it is all weird and fuzzy, I think something is going on wih the thread, Perhaps it is getting to long and we need to start again. will wait and ask Neil Or Michael, as those older pics were always clear and now several are fuzzy and perhaps one missing! We should check into that!.....Thanks George.....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: another_someone on 31/07/2006 04:08:49
The pictures of Lo in the boat were in the North Atlantic (off Canada).

Th picture I was talking about was posted on 19th June at 12:21.

Not sure which pic you refer to as the sweet cakes picture.

There is nothing inherently with the size of the thread that I would imagine would have any effect on the picture itself, although clearly the size of the pictures would be effected.

You can look at the original pictures (i.e. the source from where the thread picks up the pictures from) at http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/moofire11/

There is no indication that the quality is any better there.

Interestingly, the pictures of Lo on the boat, and those hidden behind the concrete cow (I thought concrete cows were a speciality of Milton Keynes – so maybe it wasn't concrete) are in an area set up by Niel.



George
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 31/07/2006 05:47:38
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.

Oooh, I did not see the pic, must go look, looking...........Wow Loretta, He is so handsome!! You should be very proud!!
  Hey did you look at your picture, It is comming up really blurred when I look at iy. All the others are good. Take a peak!!....Karen




I answered this pics are small, re-edited and pics are not clear on photobucket...I will re-do them tomorrow morning or tonight...or sometime.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 26/07/2006 18:36:33


Mmmmmmm chocolate can't get enough of it.


Love you lots

Helena   xxxx



Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 27/07/2006 05:24:15
Bacon cream cheese and tomato on a bagel! (BLT on a bagel,w/cream cheese)
cinnimon and toast
Homemade noodles & scotch broth
pizza & rootbeer

Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 27/07/2006 06:16:16
Okay, I am hungry....thanks!  I just promised John I would eat no more pork..miss it already..scotch broth?  what is that?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 27/07/2006 06:57:45



Cinnamon apple pie with cream and a kiss.


Love you lots

Helena  xxxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 27/07/2006 07:12:42
Apple Struedel or Blueberry Cobbler
Torte or Souffle
Mousse or Pudding
Peach Cobbler or Apple Pie
Tarts or Fruit Pizza

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 27/07/2006 07:44:08
My grandma used to make this dish. She would use several cans of Campbells scotch broth, I cannot find it these days. You can make your own with some mutten, carrots, and it seemed like it had barley in it to. Make a nice thick soup like base as it will seem like lots of noodles being smothered by this broth.It was delish, but took hours to make and making the noodles during the day and letting them dry. YUMMMMMY! I will make a batch then write the recipe down as best I can. will try to make a mock one of hers.It is the only way I have ever been able to eat mutten. was very tiny chuncks in the cambells soup can!.....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 27/07/2006 12:55:47
Interesting combo...hmmmm?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 27/07/2006 19:29:46
It was delicious, and of coarse she was a cook . She owned many resturants as a kid. She always used that Scotch broth as a base then she would add her own things to that! Wonderful....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 27/07/2006 22:32:52



Karen - that sounds like a lovely heart warming dish.


Love you lots.

Helena  xxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 28/07/2006 05:46:02
I'm hungry, but too tired to cook...why can't I sleep??  AAGGHH!!  LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 28/07/2006 07:27:55
I'm sorry Loretta, I just can't imagine why you can't sleep. I am worried two, we are both mothers and I understand!get something to eat and try again! I wish I could make some for you, I'd come share a bowl with you!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 28/07/2006 12:58:46
I was too tired to eat last night...You are too sweet...I finally fell asleep and had 4 hours!!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 28/07/2006 16:40:52
Helena It is a delicious dish, I only wish I could find the old Scotch Broth, I haven't seen it for years. Have to see if it could be ordered on line or if they even make it anymore.Who Knows!

Loretta, glad you got a bit of sleep, I got an hour more then you friend!LOL Have a great day ladies.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 28/07/2006 17:45:39
I know...Karen...I am jealous...lol

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 28/07/2006 21:36:12


Good girls get to sleep 7hrs. LOL


Love you lots

Helena  xxx
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 28/07/2006 22:48:56
What???  7hrs...now I am jealous hehe

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 29/07/2006 02:27:46
Geese Helena, I'm Jealous TOO! Are you implying we are not Good girls???LOL
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 29/07/2006 08:26:01
Hey, exactly...hmmmm, maybe I need to learn some of the Greek language...I think I can recall baby moo?  Chara, okay, forgive me it has been a while....lol I will take my title of bad and be done with it...hehe

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 29/07/2006 10:27:04


Karen - not at all, but perhaps you could be even better ! LOL


Love you lots

Helena xxx



Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 29/07/2006 13:22:19
Karen, what should we do with our girl here...hmmmm....i guess love her anyways....but I will come up with a plan here...hehe  hey, remember I am a bad girl...we could send her knitting needles to work on booties for the penguins...lol

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 29/07/2006 13:39:10

Love you too.  

Promise to try and behave when it gets cooler. LOL


Love you lots

Helena  xxx





Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 29/07/2006 14:22:52
You are kidding right?  LOL  Behave when it is cooler...I have already warmed up...why would I do such a thing like that??  LOL  You are the one who better behave, I already told on you to Neilsy!  LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 29/07/2006 15:09:09

Well I did mean me, but since we're both warmed up
it would be a pity to waste it........

Let the games begin LOL....

Love you lots.

Helena  xxx





Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 29/07/2006 16:17:05
You girls are a crack up! where shall we begin, as I am free!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 29/07/2006 18:26:28



Hello Karen - great to have you joining in the fun.


Love you lots

Helena  xxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 29/07/2006 18:42:52
What are you girls meddling in on this fine day! Are you well friend?
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 29/07/2006 18:47:46


Hello Karen - Loretta's gone to restore her strength. LOL



Love you lots.

Helena xxx
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 30/07/2006 01:42:59
I wonder how she is restoring her strength! HUMMMM sounds interesting. I am going to go eat and will be back soon!

What do YOU think Love feels like? What are the mechanics? (trying to get back on topic for this thread!)......Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 30/07/2006 02:24:01
Restoring my strength for what?  I just made it in from work just a bit ago....and you did say, let the games begin...didn't you darling?  ;-)  Well, let's see how naughty you really are?  LOL  Are you so bad, that you could just for no reason put the fire, the spark into your marriage and willing to try anything that maybe suggested???  yes, I have a thought, but waiting on your response...Helena...did you fall on the floor?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 30/07/2006 02:25:57
Love feels like a cloud...one you see that keeps on floating...the mechanics...there are some cute ones and some aren't?  oh, you probably wasn't asking about that one???  Next....

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 30/07/2006 06:51:28
LOL!![:D] Loretta you are right, a soft cloud of Cotton Candy, sweet and sticky and hot from the  spinner! Yummm! Like a roller coaster that has your stomach all uneasy and your adrenilin up and excitement bounding around erraticly out of control!!! Love makes you feel like floating, my mind gets spacey and I am so distracted that I cannot think! Love makes me so dizzy and Giddy! I really don't understand how, but it does and it is absolutely wonderful when it comes round!!![:D][:D].....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 30/07/2006 07:36:28
Okay, Okay...I am starting to get a bit queasy looking at the post above mine...ick...lol By the way, did you just get stuck on the love thing...lol  leave the cotton candy alone!  ;-)

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 30/07/2006 17:28:29
I did, I cannot live without the sugar you know! I hate DIETING!!!Especially That kind of dieting!... But keep in mind I've seen some of those Mechanics, I have two sons here at home that someday soon may be out there! I wish No. 1 son , (He's  a good looking Mechanic,) would spread his wings and find a nice young girl and make beautiful babies for Grandma Here! Someday!
 LOretta, Don't you want to be a grandma someday, Or are you?


                             ..........Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 30/07/2006 17:56:14
lol  I thought as much!  Dieting...notice 3 letters in that nasty word...isn't there a rule about obsene language???  lol  Oh, yeah!  I can't wait until I am a grandma to pay those boys back with their oneryness...not one yet...the oldest and youngest tolerate kids, but do not want any until at least 30 or longer...but Michael...(posted pic in rogues gallery)he can't wait...he scares me!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 30/07/2006 18:26:27
Oooh, I did not see the pic, must go look, looking...........Wow Loretta, He is so handsome!! You should be very proud!!
  Hey did you look at your picture, It is comming up really blurred when I look at iy. All the others are good. Take a peak!!....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 30/07/2006 19:17:03


Loretta, good looking boy.


Love you lots.

Helena   xxx





Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 31/07/2006 00:56:39
Thanks Helena!  I guess I should post my kiddies pics...LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 31/07/2006 01:10:36
You should Loretta!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 31/07/2006 01:27:03
We seemed to have lost the topic on this thread and I am so sorry, I want to try to get it back to original post topic as memasa was kind enough to ask us to keep it serious!  So Please read page 1 and continue appropriately if you will. We can chat in Just chat!LOL What do you think? I feel like I have done a disservice here and gotton lost!
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 31/07/2006 01:31:14
This is what love is about where you can talk about anything...anything that matters or doesn't matter...I just am not in love anymore...or almost?  LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: another_someone on 31/07/2006 01:32:05
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.
Oooh, I did not see the pic, must go look, looking...........Wow Loretta, He is so handsome!! You should be very proud!!
  Hey did you look at your picture, It is comming up really blurred when I look at iy. All the others are good. Take a peak!!....Karen



If you are talking about the studio shots – they are I assume deliberate soft focus – to cover up any skin blemishes, etc.  The photo of Lo and Michael I imagine was cut from a larger photo, and probably scanned in, so has very little detail left in it.

BTW, the piccy of Lo in Alaska seems to have gone AWOL.



George
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 31/07/2006 03:06:26
really George be back,looking...........
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 31/07/2006 03:19:23
George, I see lots of picturs of Lo and her trip on the boat, werent those the alaska pics.

Sweet cakes picture was always better of her son and now it is all weird and fuzzy, I think something is going on wih the thread, Perhaps it is getting to long and we need to start again. will wait and ask Neil Or Michael, as those older pics were always clear and now several are fuzzy and perhaps one missing! We should check into that!.....Thanks George.....Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: another_someone on 31/07/2006 04:08:49
The pictures of Lo in the boat were in the North Atlantic (off Canada).

Th picture I was talking about was posted on 19th June at 12:21.

Not sure which pic you refer to as the sweet cakes picture.

There is nothing inherently with the size of the thread that I would imagine would have any effect on the picture itself, although clearly the size of the pictures would be effected.

You can look at the original pictures (i.e. the source from where the thread picks up the pictures from) at http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/moofire11/

There is no indication that the quality is any better there.

Interestingly, the pictures of Lo on the boat, and those hidden behind the concrete cow (I thought concrete cows were a speciality of Milton Keynes – so maybe it wasn't concrete) are in an area set up by Niel.



George
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 31/07/2006 05:47:38
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.

Oooh, I did not see the pic, must go look, looking...........Wow Loretta, He is so handsome!! You should be very proud!!
  Hey did you look at your picture, It is comming up really blurred when I look at iy. All the others are good. Take a peak!!....Karen




I answered this pics are small, re-edited and pics are not clear on photobucket...I will re-do them tomorrow morning or tonight...or sometime.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 31/07/2006 05:57:15
quote:
Originally posted by another_someone

quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.
Oooh, I did not see the pic, must go look, looking...........Wow Loretta, He is so handsome!! You should be very proud!!
  Hey did you look at your picture, It is comming up really blurred when I look at iy. All the others are good. Take a peak!!....Karen



If you are talking about the studio shots – they are I assume deliberate soft focus – to cover up any skin blemishes, etc.  The photo of Lo and Michael I imagine was cut from a larger photo, and probably scanned in, so has very little detail left in it.

BTW, the piccy of Lo in Alaska seems to have gone AWOL.



George




Okay, I will tell the truth, Greg, a friend of mine took the pics which look like studio shots..hehe..these pics of myself, with kids, etc...were taken in his garage his homemade studio with different backdrops..hehe..notice pics do not have an insigna on it?  Nobody covered up my blemishes...[:(]Which I will fuss at him about this as he probably has the know how...all I have is some makeup on...which covered up any blemishes and flaws..but my skin is very pale in them which means his lighting was not correct a studio would've corrected it before giving me the pics..darn him!  I didn't think about this stuff...lol  Lo and Michael pics were small 3x5, like all the others...

Yep, you are right the pic in Alaska...Prince Aleskya Resort where I hiked at is awol...I deleted it by accident from photobucket when I was deleting and readding pics...I will add it again...see Karen, slip of the finger...aagghh!!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 31/07/2006 06:00:25
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.

George, I see lots of picturs of Lo and her trip on the boat, werent those the alaska pics.

Sweet cakes picture was always better of her son and now it is all weird and fuzzy, I think something is going on wih the thread, Perhaps it is getting to long and we need to start again. will wait and ask Neil Or Michael, as those older pics were always clear and now several are fuzzy and perhaps one missing! We should check into that!.....Thanks George.....Karen




Are you talking about the boat in the Bahamas I was on that raced in the America's Cup and I was a primary grinder? I will look at them again...noticed they were fuzzy...geez..maybe I am fading as I am older...or maybe my personality???[}:)]I could come up with some other scenarios...hehe

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 31/07/2006 06:05:08
quote:
Originally posted by another_someone

The pictures of Lo in the boat were in the North Atlantic (off Canada).

Th picture I was talking about was posted on 19th June at 12:21.

Not sure which pic you refer to as the sweet cakes picture.

There is nothing inherently with the size of the thread that I would imagine would have any effect on the picture itself, although clearly the size of the pictures would be effected.


You can look at the original pictures (i.e. the source from where the thread picks up the pictures from) at http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e50/moofire11/

There is no indication that the quality is any better there.

Interestingly, the pictures of Lo on the boat, and those hidden behind the concrete cow (I thought concrete cows were a speciality of Milton Keynes – so maybe it wasn't concrete) are in an area set up by Niel.



George




Sorry George, I don't think I posted any sailboats from my Canada trips...hmmm, maybe I did?  I will research those pics...but then you may have seen my dear friend Catherine from Halifax in the pic with me...did you see that pic??

Yes, you are right, Neilsy set up the one with the cow from Prince Edward Island Airport for me...hmmmm, maybe I will post pics a different way then the shortcut...thinking about that...pics are clear on photobucket even when I open up the link George.  [:o)]

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 31/07/2006 06:06:16
Sweetcakes???  LOL  You have to be kidding Karen!  LOL  moi...non!  You are ruining my reputation darling!  LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 31/07/2006 07:50:42
Loretta, sweetcake is the girl up above your posts way up there, darker complection pretty like you, but has pics of hubby and son and daughter I think. Might just be sons can't remember!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 31/07/2006 08:28:58
Whew!  I was like...sweetcake??? where did that nickname come from...awww, thanks for the compliment..she does I know who you are talking about now...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 31/07/2006 09:01:16
Yeperoo, Her daughter too!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 31/07/2006 09:14:32
Love your words they are just grand!  yowsa!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 31/07/2006 10:08:24
Yep, just a california girl with some pretty silly habits, what can I say! Its just the way I am. I miss Neil! He was always up for a nice round of fun with us! I wonder what kind of trouble he has gotten himself into so far! He was on a role before he left....That boy needed a break real bad!!!LOL

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 31/07/2006 14:05:12
I understand...Me'za too!  LOL  Yeah, we will give him a break...he definitely needed that!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 31/07/2006 17:02:47
Go vote for the podcasts if you haven't yet today friends! Today is a new day!!!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 31/07/2006 17:46:51
Been there done that my friend again

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 31/07/2006 18:33:39



Done.


Love you lots.

Helena   xxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: another_someone on 31/07/2006 19:50:55
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.
Loretta you are right, a soft cloud of Cotton Candy, sweet and sticky and hot from the  spinner!


Your love is hot and sticky – what were you thinking of – or am I being too naughty. [}:)][8)]



George
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 31/07/2006 19:56:38
uh, yes, Karen, looking at this we also see hot from the spinner too...I think you need to be sent to your corner for a week of groundation...lol

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 31/07/2006 21:06:51



Ooh missed that one. LOL


Love you lots.

Helena  xxx



Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 31/07/2006 21:28:25
I tried to behave, but think George started this and must be reported to Neilsy too...who else should be told on to Neilsy..I know you want to Michael...but will probably catch you in another thread....

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 31/07/2006 22:50:57


Neilsy - you see how bad Loretta is,LOL she gets

everyone into trouble, LOL and needs to be punished.LOL


Love you lots

Helena  xxx




Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 31/07/2006 23:50:11
erm...excuse me...I just get put in the middle of these things...how can this happen to poor little innocent me???

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 01/08/2006 03:25:02
Okay George, you can of coarse take it like that! My reference being,

1. Cotton candy = Love!
2. Sticky and Sweet= clingy confusing jumbled and wonderful, Could be sticky too, LOL!
3. Hot from the spinner= Knocked of your feet fresh totaly dizzy from the emotions, head spinning tummy in knots LOL!!

Whats wrong, you guys don't like my analogy of falling head over heels in love with someone? Its pretty hot too! Passion has a way of being that way!! What can I say! I guess we all look at it differently huh? I would say those might be some of the mechanics of love.
I could go on....But I don't think Loretta could take it!!!! Love you guys, now you all be good!


Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: another_someone on 01/08/2006 04:05:12
But you have to remember we don't do cotton candy (I assume that is what we regard as candy floss) over here – very rarely seen it - considered bad diet to bring children up on [:D] – not that we don't have other ways of rotting our children's teeth that are just as good, it simply has not been one that is part of our culture.

But then, I suppose one might say that love, like candy floss, may be sweet, but is bad for one's health [:D]



George
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 01/08/2006 04:41:33
Okay, now I am being oversensitive here or is it "pick on Lo and go!"  hehe  You are right...too much sweets will rot your teeth...in this case will make you rotten!  LOL  Ick!  I am with you George! I can concur with your statement! We may have to form an alliance with all of these romantic peeps running around here!!!  aagghh!!!  Of course, you are loved too Karen...and Helena..uh huh...are you running ole girl?

What does love have to do with it anyway?  It is a runaway emotion and you have no control over it...it gets away from you like a wild stallion!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 01/08/2006 06:14:46
It sure does Loretta, So hold tight to those reins cause that old stallion fixing to take you for crazy ride Honey!!!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 01/08/2006 06:17:45
LOL  You are so Krazy Karen!  LOL  But do you mind if I just get on a little shetland?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 01/08/2006 07:28:50
NOT AT ALL LO, I HEAR THEY ARE A GOOD RIDE FOR SOMEONE WHO IS A BIT GUN SHY! THEY JUST GO ROUND AND ROUND.... LIKE AT THE FAIR, NO STALLIONS THERE! BUT DON"T FORGET, WHILE YOUR AT THE FAIR.... THE RACE TRACK IS JUST OVER THE FENCE AND I HEAR THEY ARE TAKING WAGERS! I BET THERE ARE SOME REAL STUDS OVER THERE!!!!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 01/08/2006 07:33:09
LOL  You are so funny....I am sure...I have lived without a stallion and probably for a longer time be without the little studs...lol  hey, pssstt...James is trying to sell some goods and advertising...you might want to lock him down...2 so far carotene and bilberry extract...get him Queenie!  LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 01/08/2006 08:04:57
Lo I got him, but the stupid button won't lock the topic!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 01/08/2006 08:37:52
yep you did!  ;-)

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 01/08/2006 08:39:31
He is a persistant little beggar is he not?

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 01/08/2006 08:42:00
yep

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 01/08/2006 09:27:29
Got my lock button to work and started locking then they all disappeared, I think Michael or george came to my recue, I sent Michael an email! Told him my lock button was not functioning!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 01/08/2006 14:38:54
Queenie, you must have your lock sceptor!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 01/08/2006 16:20:55
Lock sceptor?

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 02/08/2006 04:47:30
lol  I made it up...all you have to do Queenie is point and your peeps will jump at your command even if it is a "button"  ;-)

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 02/08/2006 06:24:58
Loretta you are so funny, You make my days so fun. Thank you as I really have needed that extra boost latey! I hope you are having fun too!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 02/08/2006 07:18:02
I don't know about funny as I am still not making any money at it???  ;-)  You make my days fun too...I am glad I could assist your majesty!  I live for phun!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 02/08/2006 07:48:24
Your a sweetheart! And a real Jewel in my crown!!!LOL You know You really should take up belly dancing, I think when I loose this next 50 Lbs, I am going to,too! Won't we be the pair. My husband would die of a heart attack if I decided to belly dance! Serves him right!! He is such a stiff! No Dancing, No fun, No dates , no movies no no no!!!!! So dang boring! He has grown old and grumpy! Ballroom dancing to! Loretta, can you Tango? I want to Tango! I want to learn to Jitterbug Like my grandma, and learn the Fox Trot and lots of other cool dances. Hubby will not do it, so I am going to find another dance partner and he can sit on his Lazy **** and just watch! I have sat too long! I dream about Dancing, always have. Have you ever taken lessons?

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 02/08/2006 08:25:11

Morning everyone.

Dancing? did someone mention dancing? Karen, I have the same problem
with hubby,  no rhythm at all and as stiff as a broomstick.


Love you lots

Helena  xxxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 02/08/2006 08:36:54
Yep, I told you he was a stiff. We have tons in common! I would do better dancing with a broom then my husband, at least the broom can follow. Should be leading but what can I say I am definitely a forward kind of gal when it comes to dancing with a broom. The women just must take the lead if you are to dance with such a stiff legged  broom!LOL

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 02/08/2006 09:07:23




So they didn't break the mould when my hubby was born, then.  LOL


Love you lots

Helena  xxx







Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 02/08/2006 09:26:18
Nope somebody screwed up and stole the mold and allowed it to be reproduced, Yikes! Lacking the dancing Gene, Disasterous! Send em back, I want a do over!!! Just Kidding! Wish he could dance though!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 02/08/2006 09:31:47



Yes, send them back as rejects LOL.


Love you lots.

Helena   xxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 02/08/2006 09:36:41
LOL!! Oh I really should go to bed, But I don't want to!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 02/08/2006 09:50:48


Yes, ask for 10m compensation.LOL  



Love you lots

Helena  xxx



Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 02/08/2006 10:41:09
OK WILL DO!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 02/08/2006 15:06:56
Yes, I have taken lessons and love to tango with someone who can do that..salsa too!  really love it...Denny could dance some, he wasn't the best but he wasn't the worst...learn to salsa...or cha cha...very fun...I will take up belly dancing just need some time off to do it...it maybe in the fall...we will see..

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 02/08/2006 15:57:39
Cool Loretta! I hope you do!!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 03/08/2006 02:05:53
I am...probably fall time...I will find some soon..

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 03/08/2006 05:01:56
I love all the seasons, But Christmas is very special, not the weather, cause it jut rains and rains.I love the Love, sorry lo, I just lost my head for a second!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 03/08/2006 05:54:37
Uh, huh...yepperdoodle you did...I think you like rubbing that "love stuff" in my virtual face..haha  Just kidding ya!  I know you are just the romantic peep!  I like fall and spring because of the rain...I could live in the rain...when the peeps here was depressed as we had about 2 weeks straight of rain...I was loving it everyday!  I drank my little fraps and wrote a bit...while sitting on my patio with frappaccino in hand...awww, that sounds so refreshing right now.  I wish it would rain!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 03/08/2006 08:23:10
I love the rain, but here in Humbolt county we are considered the county of liquid Sunshine! It can start raining as ealy as late Aug and rain through June and very gloomy. Usually we are spared a bit until oct. 30 through June! 8 months on end! Thats a bit much! I like nice weather also, Just not hot weather. I am comfortable about 75F to 86F Then it ok during the day , but not in the evening! Too hot!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 03/08/2006 08:24:15
I love a cozy fire and a good book or movie, hot chocolate and  someone warm!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: another_someone on 03/08/2006 13:13:03
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.

I love all the seasons, But Christmas is very special, not the weather, cause it jut rains and rains.I love the Love, sorry lo, I just lost my head for a second!

Karen



Christmas can be one of the most stressful times for many families.



George
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 03/08/2006 13:32:00

I agree, and I'm sorry for those families. I love the romance of Christamas I love the lights, the shopping, the planning, the carols, the decorations, and anything connected with Christmas - it's the little girl in me.

Love you lots.

Helena  xxx






Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 03/08/2006 16:58:36
Me too Helena! I even like to see all the grougchy shoppers who say they hate it! They must not hate it too bad, as they are out their doing the deed. You would think if someone felt that way, that they would simply just not participate!.....

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 03/08/2006 18:13:05


Yes I know, I could easily do my Christmas shoppng by mail order, but  it's not the same as doing it physically, and getting into the festive spirit.


Love you lots.

Helena   xxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 03/08/2006 20:20:26
I so agree and love that time of year. Would love to be in the snow at christmas that would be sweet!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 03/08/2006 20:44:32


Yes, I suppose getting cranky, wet and tired is all part of it.LOL


Love you lots

Helena   xxx
Title: Re: Love
Post by: another_someone on 03/08/2006 23:27:39
In terms of weather, my favourite winter was in Munich, where temperatures were low enough to dry out the air – you never got wet, and if you dressed appropriately for the weather, you did not get cold.

In the south of England, the day after you get snow, as likely as not you will get slush.

There were a few good years of cold winters, like '82, or going back to my childhood, '63; but not many.

I don't like shopping, and I don't like present buying.  The trouble is that for most people, unless you are particularly fortunate and spot something particularly unusual that you think will be just right for someone, but they would not have thought of it for themselves; you are buying for them something which if they would have wanted they would have bought for themselves.  Usually, when I give a present, I am absolutely terrified that I have misjudged what I have bought, and they really do not like or want it.  I know that I am equally impossible to buy presents for, and generally ask people not to buy me presents.

In general, I'd much rather buy presents opportunistically, rather than occasionally – in other words, I'd rather if I happen to see something by chance that I think would make a good present for someone, to buy it even if there is no occasion to buy it; rather than worry throughout the Christmas period (or around their birthday) that I cannot find anything appropriate for the occasion and the recipient.



George
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 04/08/2006 02:46:05
Thats a good policy and one I use all year round. I love to buy presents for people and I probably have bought the wrong things on occasion, but for the most part, I have usually done ok!But it is so fun to think about something cool that the person would like, cosidering their interests ect. I like to really think about it real good before I go hunting for the perfect gift!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 04/08/2006 03:34:10
I love the Christmas season...but hate the shopping and don't step foot in any door after Thanksgiving...gosh, I just forgot what it will be like without Denny here for Christmas?...I am in a bit of a shock after reading this thinking of the things we have done in the past...wow...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 04/08/2006 06:47:53
Sorry Lo, Didn't mean to cause you any pain! Be well ok?

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 04/08/2006 07:39:46
You didn't and it is better sooner than later... :-)  I know I am as slow as Christmas getting over someone but eventually I will.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 04/08/2006 08:59:22
Oh Loretta , I love you! Big Big HUGS HONEY!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 04/08/2006 15:06:13
You are too sweet Queenie Mod!  LOL  Love ya too and bigg hugzzzz to you too!!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mjhavok on 05/08/2006 03:55:57
I have never been in romantic love, I've had a few crushes and girlfriends but none I could truly say I loved.

Everyone say awwww.

Once I experience it I will judge if I want to work out why it happens lol.

STeven
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 05/08/2006 05:40:39
Awww, little Steven...how wonderful for you!!!  Good for you!!!  :-)

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/08/2006 06:31:29
Well, I hope you find your true love steven. That was my brothers name! Nice!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 05/08/2006 07:00:16
Awww, love...is it worth the heartbreak or is it heartache?  LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/08/2006 07:18:19
Loretta, I don't know what to think anymore! You trust someone with everything you have you give them everything you are and they just use you and hurt you! Why do people do that, Am I just naive, isn't anything precious anymore? Doesn't loving someone with everything you have count for anything? I'm sorry, I guess I am having a real bad night here!

  Did you get my email, The cute little hippo! I sent one to everyone! Was so touching!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/08/2006 08:16:04
WHERE THE HECK ARE YOU lORETTA?

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mjhavok on 05/08/2006 08:28:27
gotta love a cynic Karen :-D. Your brother has a great name :-D.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/08/2006 08:36:00
NOT MUCH OF A CINIC. I AM ONE OF THE MOST ROMANTIC TRUE LOVE BELIEVING GALS YOU WILL EVER MEET! JUST FEELING A BIT SHAKEN TONIGHT, PLEASE READ THE WHOLE THREAD! I LOVE,LOVE, MAY NOT UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PROCESS, BUT I KNOW ITS THERE AND IT EXISTS! YES I LOVED MY BROTHERS NAME. I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM FOR 12 YEARS, I MISS HIM VERY MUCH!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mjhavok on 05/08/2006 08:41:39
I have to go to work in about 1 hr 30 mins and now I am even sadder.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 05/08/2006 09:37:03


Morning everyone.

Welcome Steven.

Thanks for the hippo e-mail Karen- how cute was that.

Did you get my e-mail.


Love you lots.

Helena  xxx




Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/08/2006 09:55:39
Yep! Message recieved and replied Helena.

Steven, why are you sadder now then before?

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: another_someone on 05/08/2006 14:48:56
quote:
Originally posted by Grecian
Morning everyone.

Welcome Steven.

Thanks for the hippo e-mail Karen- how cute was that.

Did you get my e-mail.


Love you lots.

Helena  xxx




Yes, cute pics – but may I suggest that as a point of etiquette, when you forward other people's posts, you remove all of the headers.

Everyone receiving these posts is receiving with them a ready made mailing list that would be a gold mine for any spammer.  This is not just you – I know it has happened to lots of other people before, where they forward a mail, leaving the original headers; the person they forward it to also forwards it with even more headers attached, and very soon the copy of this email is wondering around the Internet with hundreds of email addresses attached, all waiting to be added to someone's database of email addresses.  The people whose email addresses you are forwarding in that way may not thank you for that.



George
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mjhavok on 05/08/2006 15:52:43
Karen - because you said you haven't seen your brother in 12 years.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: another_someone on 05/08/2006 16:45:45
quote:
Originally posted by Mjhavok
Karen - because you said you haven't seen your brother in 12 years.



Yes, I concur - I always think it sad when families fragment like that.



George
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/08/2006 18:30:16
Hey Steven,

 Please don't be sadder! I have excellent memories of my brother. He may not be around, but he will always live inside of me. That is what is so extrordinary about LOVE!ALL KINDS OF LOVE! He has been been in not so good shape. He has a care provider, but does not keep in touch or allow us knowledge of his whereabouts, He does not have his presence of mind. As a young adult he and his cosin were experimenting with PCP, he got ahold of some bad stuff, It took him away and although he does not use it now, or the last time I seen him, he is pretty much gone, a shell of the wonderful man he was! He loved playing the Guitar and singing, he had 2 Beautiful daughters  one died of sudden infant death syndrome and thats what put him over the edge and he turned to a drug to forget her! Now he has forgotten all of us, but his pain is gone! He is very gentle, and is so sweet. When I found him last timehe was walking on the streetI stopped him to see if I was right. He remembered me anh hugged me, but asked how that very nice lady was that he used to live with, (my mom) I had to tell him she had died and we could not find him as she wished to tell him that she would always love her baby boy! He got sad for a moment and then smiled and said, she was very nice, a good women, she was my friend, you know that Karen she was a good friend! I went with him home that day as he wanted to play me some music, he introduced me to his caregiver who had no clue he had family locally! He told me that timmy J. was on medication for for a physcological disorder! I said good bye many hours later and when I went back to visit him the man had taken him and moved away. The phone number was no longer in service and he never called us to let us know where they went! I guess this year is 12 years ago. I have gret memories of him and will always love him. He was a fragile sensitive soul and could not handle what life had given him and he was lost in another world! A world that we will never really understand!!

George, when I forward, I thought about that, how do I remove the old names?

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 05/08/2006 18:49:28


Karen - I'm so sorry, it's so sad when families are faced with such tragedies.



Love you lots

Helena   xxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 05/08/2006 19:22:04
Originally posted by Karen W.[/i]
 I don't know what to think anymore! You trust someone with everything you have you give them everything you are and they just use you and hurt you! Why do people do that, Am I just naive, isn't anything precious anymore? Doesn't loving someone with everything you have count for anything? I'm sorry, I guess I am having a real bad night here!

Karen.
---------------------------------------------------------

Chocolate, where's that chocolate, people, I don't care which type  milk, plain (dark) filled or unfilled, pralines, anything, but not white.
Yes I'm upset, and when this this Greek temperament is fired up then I want chocolate and lots of it.

Love you lots

Helena   xxxx



Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/08/2006 19:32:13
Me too Helena, Had a rough day with Hubby Yesterday, and then that terrible post!!And I did eat Chocolate and cashews and Drank applejuice!! That part was not so bad! I really wanted to move out! Geesh sometimes I cannot believe my Husband! Trying real hard to remember how much I loved him and why! Patience is a virtue right? I'm running out of patience, this train is definitely on the wrong track!!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 05/08/2006 19:35:06


I know the feeling Karen.


Love you lots.

Helena   xxx



Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 06/08/2006 01:54:05
Okay, before I respond about what I have read...I will read other sections and come back to you...hmmm, Karen, sorry I am here love...your shoulder to lean on or cry on...haven't had a chance to get in my emails yet...but will...but your story is sad about your brother and glad you have pleasant memories of him...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/08/2006 02:15:48
Going to eat chinese food, be back in a few!!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 06/08/2006 03:21:02
Are you back?  I am now...love...awwww, what a wonderful...?  I almost slipped here...Ooopss!!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mjhavok on 06/08/2006 03:47:54
Sorry to hear about that Karen. PCP is so destructive I'm glad we don't see much of it in the UK, well I don't see it anyway. I hope he is ok.

I am jealous that you are getting chinese food though :-(.

Steven
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 06/08/2006 04:34:01
Me too...I am very jealous...I will have an order of moo goo gai pan...for my hamburger ick!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mjhavok on 06/08/2006 05:17:37
I want Kung Po Chicken and Egg Fried Rice :-(
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/08/2006 05:19:43
Dinner was so good!! I did really well. I did not over eat!  YAAAY!!  I feel good.
 Steven, I would have shared if I could have! You would all be so welcome!! Maybe someday all of us friends can get together and visit!!!
 Loretta, You hungry! I meant to tellyou to put a splash of soy sauce on your Chicken avocado Stir fry after you have it over your bed of rice. It brings out the avocado and chicken flavor, It is so.......good! I have a sweet and sour pork recipe  that is marvelous also. Serve dover rice or chinese noodles, it is a preference thing. I am a rice girl, but love the noodles also!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/08/2006 05:26:20
MMMMMMMMM! egg fried rice. I hardly ever get that, but Oh how I love it!!!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 06/08/2006 05:46:34
mmmmm, Karen, it sounds so good, I can't wait to try it...love rice...I could eat it everyday...but then wearing it does not look good on my hips...lol  Steven, I love Egg Fried Rice...I had a greasy hamburger as I didn't have a lunch today...ick...with fries!  I did not do well today

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/08/2006 06:58:29
Yep,  you have to watch out for the rice! But is sure is good!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 06/08/2006 07:22:25
mmmmm, mmmmm, good...recognize that lingo?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mjhavok on 06/08/2006 08:29:59
I have never ever tried avocado. What does it taste like?

Steven
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 06/08/2006 08:41:51
oh, my Steven!  Guacamole...delicious darling!  Advocado slices on salad..mmmmm, very tasty...hard to describe the taste...it is not tangy, it is not salty, it is kind of bland, but it is good!!!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/08/2006 08:52:43
A bit like a Piece of heaven, soft and tender mild and oh so good! I love avocados! My Favorite breakfast is  a bagel, with Italin herbs, cream cheese, tomato's bacon and avocado slices!!!!! UMMMMMM! so good!!! Make a Bagel BLT with avacodo! Cream cheese on both pieces of Bagel!! I'm sure its fattening, Bagels are killer, but if you don't over do it should be ok! You must try one. Slice it with a paring knife all the way around the seed. then slightly twist it and pull it apart. Then set your knife blade onto the seed and rock it slightly appling pressure to seed, juet enought to inset blade, then carefully turn blade with seed attached to remove seed. Then make lenghtwise slices and peel individual peelings from back of avocado. If you don't use it, keep the seed in it and this helps keep it from turning brown.store in fridge with seed in it, you can also salt it to keep it from turning brown, lemon juice also. Enjoy!!

I had better go to bed. you all be good on here and I will see you ina couple hours!  Love you guys ......

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mjhavok on 06/08/2006 08:54:35
Ok Karen,

I might buy an avocado today just to taste it.

Goodnight.

Steven
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 06/08/2006 08:54:50


Morning peeps.

..........and a creamy texture.

Steven pls tell me you've had some sleep last night.


Love you lots.

Helena  xxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/08/2006 09:09:41
Morning Helena, I am finishing up for the night, love to you all, Helena talk to you and Loretta and steven in a few hours!....

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 06/08/2006 09:12:58


O.K. Karen speak later.

Sweet dreams.


Love you lots

Helena  xxx
Title: Re: Love
Post by: another_someone on 14/08/2006 18:43:40
Going back to the original question – one of my own personal theories is that love is a type of addiction, and as such, people who have an 'addictive personality' (i.e. have a greater propensity for becoming addicted to alcohol, tobacco, or other drugs), are also more like to fall in love.

Any takers for this?



George
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/08/2006 15:56:21
It certainly could have some bearing, although I know many people who have fallen in love and really don't have  addictive personalities. Although I believe we are all like that to an extent! Some more pronounced then others. I do believe that love is so natural. For most people it starts out with that close bond established by a primary caregiver. We all need that love. For some of it it needs to be intense and crazy, wild and romantic, for others it needs to be softer and more reserved and tame, but for whatever reason weather its self love or the love of a lover or friend, It is an entegral part of who we are, no matter how, who,or why we love, we just need love Thats all, just love!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mjhavok on 15/08/2006 19:09:03
I know I don't have an addictive personality.

- off 2 get some coffee

- Steven
Title: Re: Love
Post by: another_someone on 15/08/2006 21:54:02
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.
although I know many people who have fallen in love and really don't have  addictive personalities.


By an 'addictive personality', I don't mean that they are necessarily addicted to something, but rather that if they are exposed to an addictive substance, they are more likely to become addicted to the substance than another person.



George
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 15/08/2006 22:42:27
quote:
Originally posted by another_someone

Going back to the original question – one of my own personal theories is that love is a type of addiction, and as such, people who have an 'addictive personality' (i.e. have a greater propensity for becoming addicted to alcohol, tobacco, or other drugs), are also more like to fall in love.

Any takers for this?



George




This is fascinating !...would you care to elaborate ?....Would you consider people who are vulnerable and gullible in the same group.

Personally I don't subscribe to it ...What I mean is,It's not your theory I don't subscribe to (I'm all ears) but that I am one of those people who have fallen in love very very easily on more than one occasion...but I consider myself in every other aspect someone with a low propensity to addiction.

tried smoking....found I could take it or leave it.....chose to leave it...

same with alcohol...not bothered !

Yes..shock horror have tried recreational drugs....no joy there (to try and help me sleep)

....perhaps I have just not found my addiction yet !....perhaps evertyone here is capable of becoming addicted to something !



Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Love
Post by: another_someone on 16/08/2006 00:41:33
quote:
Originally posted by neilep
Would you consider people who are vulnerable and gullible in the same group.



Trying to work out what this means within the context of my hypothesis.

quote:

Personally I don't subscribe to it ...What I mean is,It's not your theory I don't subscribe to (I'm all ears) but that I am one of those people who have fallen in love very very easily on more than one occasion...but I consider myself in every other aspect someone with a low propensity to addiction.

tried smoking....found I could take it or leave it.....chose to leave it...

same with alcohol...not bothered !

Yes..shock horror have tried recreational drugs....no joy there (to try and help me sleep)

....perhaps I have just not found my addiction yet !....perhaps evertyone here is capable of becoming addicted to something !



I think the current tendency is to believe that some people have a stronger propensity for getting addicted to anything, and that this trait is not substance specific (although there may be other variables that might make the application of that addiction more likely to be triggered by a particular substance).

That you say you have fallen in love very easily on more than one occasion leaves to to ask, possibly somewhat indelicately, did you also fall out of love as easily?  That you could fall in love easily is one thing, but could you give up that love as easily as you could give up tobacco?

quote:

This is fascinating !...would you care to elaborate ?



OK, I'll go through the thought process that lead to this conclusion.

If one accepts the premise that there is such a thing as an addictive personality type, and that this is an inheritable trait (what I understand is that this is the current thinking on the matter), then why should this be so?

For an inheritable trait to survive, then it would imply that there are some situations in which that trait may be of benefit to the species.  Since, on the most obvious level, addictive personality types are at a disadvantage, so in what context might it be an advantage.

Clearly, it is possible to argue that even deleterious genetic traits will continue to survive within a species, but they will only survive at a very low level (we don't see a massive number of haemophiliacs being born, yet we do seem to see a large number of people with a propensity for addiction being born – why so?).

Clearly, the human genome was not evolved to deal with concentrated opiates, or regular supplies of concentrated alcohol – so it is clear that addiction to these substances is just an unfortunate modern manifestation of something that historically must have had some other purpose.
So the question is, what primitive (in the sense of being common throughout human history, from the earliest days) human behaviour might be similar to addiction, and yet may be beneficial to the species?

The answer that came to mind was love.  In its most obsessive form, love can show many of the manifestations of any addiction.  Ofcourse, love can come in both sexual and platonic forms, and I am still undecided the degree to which each of these fit the requirements.  Sexual love has the added benefit the sexual act releases endorphins, which can themselves lead to addiction (this is also a case that excessive exercise can cause the release of endorphins, and can also be addictive).



George
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 16/08/2006 02:15:40
quote:
Originally posted by another_someone

quote:
Originally posted by neilep
Would you consider people who are vulnerable and gullible in the same group.



Trying to work out what this means within the context of my hypothesis.

It was just a question that perhaps a similar theory could be presented that the gullible and vulnerable may also have a propensity to addiction...along with people who easily fall in love.....as they may easily succumb to dependency on drugs and succumb to love also.
quote:

Personally I don't subscribe to it ...What I mean is,It's not your theory I don't subscribe to (I'm all ears) but that I am one of those people who have fallen in love very very easily on more than one occasion...but I consider myself in every other aspect someone with a low propensity to addiction.

tried smoking....found I could take it or leave it.....chose to leave it...

same with alcohol...not bothered !

Yes..shock horror have tried recreational drugs....no joy there (to try and help me sleep)

....perhaps I have just not found my addiction yet !....perhaps evertyone here is capable of becoming addicted to something !



I think the current tendency is to believe that some people have a stronger propensity for getting addicted to anything, and that this trait is not substance specific (although there may be other variables that might make the application of that addiction more likely to be triggered by a particular substance).

I am sure the tendency that some people have a stronger propensity to addiction has always been there. Perhaps nowadays it's just being recognised. Certainly I can well believe that there may be extraneous factors intrinsic to the onset of an addiction.

That you say you have fallen in love very easily on more than one occasion leaves to to ask, possibly somewhat indelicately, did you also fall out of love as easily?  That you could fall in love easily is one thing, but could you give up that love as easily as you could give up tobacco?

I do not need to answer that...it's besides the point ! Your premise is that people who become addicted to substances  may be prone to falling in love easier than others who are not addicted to substances. Since I am not dependent on any substance (save food and water) it's not a moot point....save for the fact that I am not addicted ..which in itself my be statistical anomaly then !


quote:

This is fascinating !...would you care to elaborate ?



OK, I'll go through the thought process that lead to this conclusion.

If one accepts the premise that there is such a thing as an addictive personality type, and that this is an inheritable trait (what I understand is that this is the current thinking on the matter), then why should this be so?

What happens when this current thinking goes out of fashion ? When you say addictive personality types , do you specifically mean drugs ?..Before a junkie has his/her first fix are they addicted ?..I am just wondering what is it that triggers the addiction in the addictive personalty save the psychological or biological dependency after they have had their first few hits. Of course there are other types of addictions ...food...dancing..Internet forums..adrenalin junkies etc I wonder if a person can go through life without their propensity to addiction ever materialising

For an inheritable trait to survive, then it would imply that there are some situations in which that trait may be of benefit to the species.  Since, on the most obvious level, addictive personality types are at a disadvantage, so in what context might it be an advantage.

We all have inheritable traits, many are so subtle that they can barely be recognised until a very specific event occurs for the trait to be displayed. I agree that addictive personality types may be vulnerable to disadvantage.


Clearly, it is possible to argue that even deleterious genetic traits will continue to survive within a species, but they will only survive at a very low level (we don't see a massive number of haemophiliacs being born, yet we do seem to see a large number of people with a propensity for addiction being born – why so?).

Clearly, the human genome was not evolved to deal with concentrated opiates, or regular supplies of concentrated alcohol – so it is clear that addiction to these substances is just an unfortunate modern manifestation of something that historically must have had some other purpose.

I'm not disagreeing..I find this fascinating George...But would not the fact that for thousands of years people have been getting drunk and getting high have an effect on the human genome ?..I don't know...but I expect the answer is no then.
So the question is, what primitive (in the sense of being common throughout human history, from the earliest days) human behaviour might be similar to addiction, and yet may be beneficial to the species?

The answer that came to mind was love.  In its most obsessive form, love can show many of the manifestations of any addiction.  Ofcourse, love can come in both sexual and platonic forms, and I am still undecided the degree to which each of these fit the requirements.  Sexual love has the added benefit the sexual act releases endorphins, which can themselves lead to addiction (this is also a case that excessive exercise can cause the release of endorphins, and can also be addictive).

Do you think the same might apply to people with a proclivity for the darker side of things ?..people who enjoy the sadistic qualities of life ?...who may dwell on hate !..or to confuse the issue the Love of hate !! ?


Thank you George ...very interesting stuff.



George




Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 16/08/2006 04:21:38
I have been in love twice and the first time it took a long time to get there. The second time was so much different, I knew so quickly and it was full on up in your face kind of love. Intense erotic incredible and totally totally enraptured and it put me hopelessly head over teakettle in love! I don't believe it is ever easy to fall out of love. It happens but I think it takes a really long time and even then there are feelings that you are hopelessly left to drag around with you untill you are emotionally ready to let it go!
Sometimes I think that that takes something more drastic to happen to let go!!


Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: another_someone on 16/08/2006 11:31:20
quote:
Originally posted by neilep
It was just a question that perhaps a similar theory could be presented that the gullible and vulnerable may also have a propensity to addiction...along with people who easily fall in love.....as they may easily succumb to dependency on drugs and succumb to love also.



People who are gullible or vulnerable may be more likely to try dangerous things, but I am not sure that this is the same as having an addictive personality (the only indirect argument would be that someone who is not vulnerable to trying an addictive situation or substance may be protected against their own addictive personality trait, but that is not the same as the trait not being there).

quote:
quote:

That you say you have fallen in love very easily on more than one occasion leaves to to ask, possibly somewhat indelicately, did you also fall out of love as easily?  That you could fall in love easily is one thing, but could you give up that love as easily as you could give up tobacco?


I do not need to answer that...it's besides the point ! Your premise is that people who become addicted to substances  may be prone to falling in love easier than others who are not addicted to substances. Since I am not dependent on any substance (save food and water) it's not a moot point....save for the fact that I am not addicted ..which in itself my be statistical anomaly then !


Ofcourse, the question is indelicate, and you are under no obligation to respond to it.

Possibly you are right that the statement that people who are more prone to addiction are more likely to fall in love was badly phrased, since the nature of an addictive personality is not the probability that someone will try something (in that respect, it may be a closer analogy to your suggestion of gullibility), but rather the difficulty someone faces in giving up something.  In that respect, I should have said that someone with an addictive personality was likely to be less fickle in love (i.e. once in love, are less likely to fall out of love), since this would draw the closer analogy with an addictive personality.

quote:
quote:

If one accepts the premise that there is such a thing as an addictive personality type, and that this is an inheritable trait (what I understand is that this is the current thinking on the matter), then why should this be so?



What happens when this current thinking goes out of fashion ?



One cannot say what would happen when one's knowledge of a situation changes since one can only work with knowledge that one has, not with knowledge that is yet to come.

quote:

When you say addictive personality types , do you specifically mean drugs ?



Although drugs, including tobacco and alcohol, are the simplest to study, the trait covers all addiction, including gambling and addiction to exercise.

quote:

Before a junkie has his/her first fix are they addicted ?



No, an addictive personality type is not the same as an addiction.

The point about an addictive personality type is that someone who is not exposed to an addictive stimuli is no more an addict whether they are or are not an addictive personality type; but someone who is exposed to an addictive stimuli and is an addictive personality type will quicker and more easily become addicted to that stimuli than someone who does not have an addictive personality type.

quote:

.I'm not disagreeing..I find this fascinating George...But would not the fact that for thousands of years people have been getting drunk and getting high have an effect on the human genome ?..I don't know...but I expect the answer is no then



The question is not inevitably no, but even if this is the case, would such an addiction to such substances amount to an adaptive advantage – I cannot see it?

Certainly, there are genetic traits, which even if the are ancient in origin, can vary in propensity over relatively short periods of time.  Thalassemia  and sickle cell anaemia can alter frequency in the population quite rapidly since they offer adaptive advantages to malaria, and because they leave traces in the bone, archaeologists can use them to measure how much stress the population was under from malaria.

quote:

Do you think the same might apply to people with a proclivity for the darker side of things ?..people who enjoy the sadistic qualities of life ?...who may dwell on hate !..or to confuse the issue the Love of hate !! ?



I do think that the passions of love and hate can have a common root, and those who can love the most intensely very possibly can hate the most intensely; but I don't actually believe that hate and sadism are at all the same thing (sadism is not personal – a sadist usually is not particular about whom he is sadistic towards, whereas hate is a very personal thing, being directed very specifically to a single person, or a particular group of people).  Ofcourse, this is not to say that someone with a propensity towards sadism may not use a hatred as a justification for the expression of that sadistic tendency, but I don't believe that the hatred is the actual cause of the sadistic tendency.




George
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mjhavok on 16/08/2006 22:41:40
Love

What is it?

The most natural ainkiller that there is.

The last diary entry of William S. Burroughs.

Not sure if I have the quote exact but it was along those lines.

- Steven

Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mirage on 17/08/2006 22:08:06
I like to believe that love is something that cannot be explained, or even an attempted explaination.

I feel that people put too much thought into the things that should be left unexplained, untainted! I don't care much to know if it's chemical reactions. I do love science but there are times I feel it brings up unnecessary logic and ideals.
Love is something to be experienced not analysed.

But that's just me.

Sorry if someone else has written something similar already but 9 pages are a lot to read especially while at work.

Some days it's not even worth knawing at the straps
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mjhavok on 18/08/2006 01:39:20
I want everything explained. Scratch that. I want to understand how everything works.

- Steven
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 18/08/2006 03:31:22
Love is a many splendored thing ! *le sigh*

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 18/08/2006 03:55:50
Don't ask me...I will skew your view at this point.... :-P

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 18/08/2006 04:06:23
...when two lovers meet on a crowded street and the world stood still.....AHHHH! I love love!!!!


Loretta, so glad to see you! are you alright friend??? Hows your Heart tonight? Love to you.....


Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 18/08/2006 06:47:09
Karen, let's say I am glad to be at work right now...blah...my mood is blah...ick...Denny is at my house...I am thinking about if I should go home or crash at a friend's house as she has given me her key and told me I should come over....but I don't want to intrude on her life...I am just b----- out...you know the word aagghh...crudola!  I am a villian in this mix...Magnum is upset with me...mom has called me twice and said I am not being nice to Denny...geez, get a grip...They think I should go back with him...but that non-communication for 4 days, insecurity crud, and much more thing kicked my behind....I was doing fine and almost fainted when I saw him at my job had no earthly clue he was in town or he was going to the wedding...I have thought until my brain is literally hurting...I thought I was completely over him...yeah, right...I have cried in front of him, behind his back...but hate that sometimes we make choices we regret...even though I still have feelings for him, I don't regret my choice!  I know it was right even though everyone else does not think so...I am not even sure how long he is going to be here...he won't say...if he doesn't go, I will rent an apartment so he can live with my mom and child since they think I am a villian...It is so cold going into my house...ewwww...it is an awkward feeling...seeing him for the first time in 7 or 8 months was weird too...??  One of my co-workers thought I would be glad to see him as he told her it was a surprise I was in town...(they did not know we were broke up)I was so stunned she said I turned white as a sheet....?

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 18/08/2006 08:04:09
Well sounds like a week for shocks!![:0] Loretta you are the only one who knows whats best for you!![;)] Remember that Honey!![:)] "To thine on self be true."[^]
 LOve to you and have a safe trip!!![:)]


Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: another_someone on 18/08/2006 09:00:45
quote:
Originally posted by Mjhavok

I want everything explained. Scratch that. I want to understand how everything works.

- Steven



Yes, I can go along with that - it is just the natural curiosity of a child that we have never grown out of.



George
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 20/08/2006 16:34:34
Good Morning George, or good afternoon to you! Have a great day!
  Steven did you ever try the avocado, Friend??? Sprinkle a little tiny bit of salt on it. it is wonderfull. I like them plain or with a bit of salt or garlic. Yummmmm!


Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: cranial_implant on 20/08/2006 17:56:02
I love to mix avocado with a little garlic, salt and a very very finely diced onion and then spread it on toast or make it into a sandwich. I love it. But, they are fattening !

My head is not what it used to be.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 20/08/2006 18:24:37
Actually, I used to think that, but The doctor told me that the type of fat in avocodos was the good kind and it would be beneficial to my heart and cholesterol to eat one a day! I had no problem with that, I do not have high cholesterol, but also do not intend to get it!! I will have to try your idea as I love them. Try a blt on a bagel with avacodos...spread cream cheese on the bagel!!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 21/08/2006 00:50:24
You are right Karen, I am staying true to myself...aagghh!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2006 16:00:04
Love ya Loretta, We are pluggin for you!!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: neilep on 21/08/2006 16:13:39
Yes LO...I would love to plug you too !!...errhhmm  (clears throat)!!..I mean I am plugging for you also !! [:)]

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 22/08/2006 03:35:05
Come on Girl Chin Up I need you here! We can cry in each others buckets!!!Or on the shoulders. I prefer the buckets because lately there has been aenough to fill one up!! Oh Lo I amso sorry and want you to come back and help me zop thes ad guys with your sceptor!!LOL

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 22/08/2006 03:49:18
You are so funny!  I was out with my mother today celebrating all 71 years of her young self motivating her for her 1st vacation this year...yes, she has agreed...I am going to put her on a schedule every 3 months again!  I will help you save the forum from those bad ol' villians of cyberspace...LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 22/08/2006 03:50:17
Neil you are so KRAZY!!!  LOL  Thanks for your support...or I think?  LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: otis01 on 23/08/2006 16:10:07
Love is a clue. Its a clue to the possibility of what we all have the potential to feel all the time about everyone and everything.
 The first "romantic" love is quite often the most intense experience of love each person has. It wasn't a delusion or illusion. It was untainted Love. It was Love experienced for what it is, experienced by who you are; a silent, witnessing soul.

 It was not clouded by the mind-- not clouded by guilt, fears, suspicions, anxiety, questions. Not judged by your mind, who has been hurt. That first Love was simply witnessed and experienced and not judged constantly by your mind: a mind soon clouded with pain and suffering.
 
 That love is hard to find twice; because we have months, years, even decades of fear and hurt built up, creating artificial prison walls that make it hard for us to let our Love out. And let Love in.

 Love is real. It comes from the only place that matters- Nowhere. The mystery of Love will never be revealed until it is finally revealed. Then, I think we'll see the reason for the mystery is so we continue the search until the Truth is revealed. From that perspective, I imagine we will see the mystery was never really a mystery, nor did it matter.  

 Let go of all judgement, all fears, all guilt, all jealousy, all envy, all thought... Simply let go of the addiction to thought itself- Then you will find what is left. What you were born with. What you are. Silence. And ultimately-Love.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 23/08/2006 20:39:15
Love is what we make of it or not....blah!  LOL :-P

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 23/08/2006 20:54:48



Nice thought though.


Love you lots

Helena  xxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 23/08/2006 21:41:05
Oh, drats!  Just when I have a good 5 seconds to dampen the spirits...here comes pinky romance...lol  I should've known you could sense me over on this section...now where is Queenie Mod...I expect her 2 pence worth!  LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 23/08/2006 21:48:05
Here you go, just to make you romantic peeps feel much betta...Loving you, it's so easy to say I love you...LOL  Okay, Otis, I admit...it was a pretty good post...and a GREAT BIG WELCOME!!!  ;-)  Don't let me dampen your spirits...I just have an issue going on in my own life and used to love romance...right now..I am sick of seeing bears, flowers, bracelets, books, stationary, perfumes, around my house...I just broke up with someone a few months ago and they refuse to let go...so romance these peeps away..I will try to do my best to behave and then maybe....maybe....maybeeee...NOT!  LOL  Just having some fun with you!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 23/08/2006 22:11:10


I believe in love, for other people, yes a teenager I've had crushes on boys, but I have never been able to 'let go' and give myself 100%to anyone, maybe I don't know how to, or perhaps I'm just not capable, don't know, it just never happened.


Love you lots

Helena  xxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 23/08/2006 22:37:48
I can agree with you there Helena!  It only happens temporarily for me...and I am just sick and tired of the "notion" why go through the motions...?  What is the purpose?  Maybe someone can explain it to me...it is great when you are in love and I would've appreciated these gifts Denny has showered on me..but I feel like he is trying to buy his way back in my heart and it is not romantic...the gesture is a different feeling, it has a cheapened feel..I don't care how expensive the gifts are...it is the heart that matters...uh, oh...I am going over the edge here...I must jump out of this post...LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: otis01 on 23/08/2006 23:13:15
Moonfire:

  You didn't dampen my spirits, rather you only further prove that Love is very real and here everyday, even in difficult times. You see that your relationship "failed" or Love wasn't there, maybe never existed, (exactly what you believe right now I am not sure). But this is a narrow perspective. Love actually won. The Love that won was the Love for yourself. Realization that a relationship won't work, for any reason, is a realization born out of Love. Making a decision FOR YOURSELF to do what is best FOR YOURSELF is motivated by pure Love FOR YOURSELF. You should not torment yourself about making a decision born out of Love, even when EVERYONE around you dissagrees.

Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mjhavok on 23/08/2006 23:25:28
As long as life is a hot sexy blonde bitch and then you die. I'm cool with it :-D

-Steven
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 23/08/2006 23:27:14
Otis, I am in love..hehe exactly my sentiments.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: otis01 on 23/08/2006 16:10:07
Love is a clue. Its a clue to the possibility of what we all have the potential to feel all the time about everyone and everything.
 The first "romantic" love is quite often the most intense experience of love each person has. It wasn't a delusion or illusion. It was untainted Love. It was Love experienced for what it is, experienced by who you are; a silent, witnessing soul.

 It was not clouded by the mind-- not clouded by guilt, fears, suspicions, anxiety, questions. Not judged by your mind, who has been hurt. That first Love was simply witnessed and experienced and not judged constantly by your mind: a mind soon clouded with pain and suffering.
 
 That love is hard to find twice; because we have months, years, even decades of fear and hurt built up, creating artificial prison walls that make it hard for us to let our Love out. And let Love in.

 Love is real. It comes from the only place that matters- Nowhere. The mystery of Love will never be revealed until it is finally revealed. Then, I think we'll see the reason for the mystery is so we continue the search until the Truth is revealed. From that perspective, I imagine we will see the mystery was never really a mystery, nor did it matter.  

 Let go of all judgement, all fears, all guilt, all jealousy, all envy, all thought... Simply let go of the addiction to thought itself- Then you will find what is left. What you were born with. What you are. Silence. And ultimately-Love.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: otis01 on 23/08/2006 16:10:07
Love is a clue. Its a clue to the possibility of what we all have the potential to feel all the time about everyone and everything.
 The first "romantic" love is quite often the most intense experience of love each person has. It wasn't a delusion or illusion. It was untainted Love. It was Love experienced for what it is, experienced by who you are; a silent, witnessing soul.

 It was not clouded by the mind-- not clouded by guilt, fears, suspicions, anxiety, questions. Not judged by your mind, who has been hurt. That first Love was simply witnessed and experienced and not judged constantly by your mind: a mind soon clouded with pain and suffering.
 
 That love is hard to find twice; because we have months, years, even decades of fear and hurt built up, creating artificial prison walls that make it hard for us to let our Love out. And let Love in.

 Love is real. It comes from the only place that matters- Nowhere. The mystery of Love will never be revealed until it is finally revealed. Then, I think we'll see the reason for the mystery is so we continue the search until the Truth is revealed. From that perspective, I imagine we will see the mystery was never really a mystery, nor did it matter.  

 Let go of all judgement, all fears, all guilt, all jealousy, all envy, all thought... Simply let go of the addiction to thought itself- Then you will find what is left. What you were born with. What you are. Silence. And ultimately-Love.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 23/08/2006 20:39:15
Love is what we make of it or not....blah!  LOL :-P

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 23/08/2006 20:54:48



Nice thought though.


Love you lots

Helena  xxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 23/08/2006 21:41:05
Oh, drats!  Just when I have a good 5 seconds to dampen the spirits...here comes pinky romance...lol  I should've known you could sense me over on this section...now where is Queenie Mod...I expect her 2 pence worth!  LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 23/08/2006 21:48:05
Here you go, just to make you romantic peeps feel much betta...Loving you, it's so easy to say I love you...LOL  Okay, Otis, I admit...it was a pretty good post...and a GREAT BIG WELCOME!!!  ;-)  Don't let me dampen your spirits...I just have an issue going on in my own life and used to love romance...right now..I am sick of seeing bears, flowers, bracelets, books, stationary, perfumes, around my house...I just broke up with someone a few months ago and they refuse to let go...so romance these peeps away..I will try to do my best to behave and then maybe....maybe....maybeeee...NOT!  LOL  Just having some fun with you!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 23/08/2006 22:11:10


I believe in love, for other people, yes a teenager I've had crushes on boys, but I have never been able to 'let go' and give myself 100%to anyone, maybe I don't know how to, or perhaps I'm just not capable, don't know, it just never happened.


Love you lots

Helena  xxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 23/08/2006 22:37:48
I can agree with you there Helena!  It only happens temporarily for me...and I am just sick and tired of the "notion" why go through the motions...?  What is the purpose?  Maybe someone can explain it to me...it is great when you are in love and I would've appreciated these gifts Denny has showered on me..but I feel like he is trying to buy his way back in my heart and it is not romantic...the gesture is a different feeling, it has a cheapened feel..I don't care how expensive the gifts are...it is the heart that matters...uh, oh...I am going over the edge here...I must jump out of this post...LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: otis01 on 23/08/2006 23:13:15
Moonfire:

  You didn't dampen my spirits, rather you only further prove that Love is very real and here everyday, even in difficult times. You see that your relationship "failed" or Love wasn't there, maybe never existed, (exactly what you believe right now I am not sure). But this is a narrow perspective. Love actually won. The Love that won was the Love for yourself. Realization that a relationship won't work, for any reason, is a realization born out of Love. Making a decision FOR YOURSELF to do what is best FOR YOURSELF is motivated by pure Love FOR YOURSELF. You should not torment yourself about making a decision born out of Love, even when EVERYONE around you dissagrees.

Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mjhavok on 23/08/2006 23:25:28
As long as life is a hot sexy blonde bitch and then you die. I'm cool with it :-D

-Steven
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 23/08/2006 23:27:14
Otis, I am in love..hehe exactly my sentiments.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: otis01 on 23/08/2006 16:10:07
Love is a clue. Its a clue to the possibility of what we all have the potential to feel all the time about everyone and everything.
 The first "romantic" love is quite often the most intense experience of love each person has. It wasn't a delusion or illusion. It was untainted Love. It was Love experienced for what it is, experienced by who you are; a silent, witnessing soul.

 It was not clouded by the mind-- not clouded by guilt, fears, suspicions, anxiety, questions. Not judged by your mind, who has been hurt. That first Love was simply witnessed and experienced and not judged constantly by your mind: a mind soon clouded with pain and suffering.
 
 That love is hard to find twice; because we have months, years, even decades of fear and hurt built up, creating artificial prison walls that make it hard for us to let our Love out. And let Love in.

 Love is real. It comes from the only place that matters- Nowhere. The mystery of Love will never be revealed until it is finally revealed. Then, I think we'll see the reason for the mystery is so we continue the search until the Truth is revealed. From that perspective, I imagine we will see the mystery was never really a mystery, nor did it matter.  

 Let go of all judgement, all fears, all guilt, all jealousy, all envy, all thought... Simply let go of the addiction to thought itself- Then you will find what is left. What you were born with. What you are. Silence. And ultimately-Love.
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 23/08/2006 20:39:15
Love is what we make of it or not....blah!  LOL :-P

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 23/08/2006 20:54:48



Nice thought though.


Love you lots

Helena  xxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 23/08/2006 21:41:05
Oh, drats!  Just when I have a good 5 seconds to dampen the spirits...here comes pinky romance...lol  I should've known you could sense me over on this section...now where is Queenie Mod...I expect her 2 pence worth!  LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 23/08/2006 21:48:05
Here you go, just to make you romantic peeps feel much betta...Loving you, it's so easy to say I love you...LOL  Okay, Otis, I admit...it was a pretty good post...and a GREAT BIG WELCOME!!!  ;-)  Don't let me dampen your spirits...I just have an issue going on in my own life and used to love romance...right now..I am sick of seeing bears, flowers, bracelets, books, stationary, perfumes, around my house...I just broke up with someone a few months ago and they refuse to let go...so romance these peeps away..I will try to do my best to behave and then maybe....maybe....maybeeee...NOT!  LOL  Just having some fun with you!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 23/08/2006 22:11:10


I believe in love, for other people, yes a teenager I've had crushes on boys, but I have never been able to 'let go' and give myself 100%to anyone, maybe I don't know how to, or perhaps I'm just not capable, don't know, it just never happened.


Love you lots

Helena  xxx


Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 23/08/2006 22:37:48
I can agree with you there Helena!  It only happens temporarily for me...and I am just sick and tired of the "notion" why go through the motions...?  What is the purpose?  Maybe someone can explain it to me...it is great when you are in love and I would've appreciated these gifts Denny has showered on me..but I feel like he is trying to buy his way back in my heart and it is not romantic...the gesture is a different feeling, it has a cheapened feel..I don't care how expensive the gifts are...it is the heart that matters...uh, oh...I am going over the edge here...I must jump out of this post...LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: otis01 on 23/08/2006 23:13:15
Moonfire:

  You didn't dampen my spirits, rather you only further prove that Love is very real and here everyday, even in difficult times. You see that your relationship "failed" or Love wasn't there, maybe never existed, (exactly what you believe right now I am not sure). But this is a narrow perspective. Love actually won. The Love that won was the Love for yourself. Realization that a relationship won't work, for any reason, is a realization born out of Love. Making a decision FOR YOURSELF to do what is best FOR YOURSELF is motivated by pure Love FOR YOURSELF. You should not torment yourself about making a decision born out of Love, even when EVERYONE around you dissagrees.

Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mjhavok on 23/08/2006 23:25:28
As long as life is a hot sexy blonde bitch and then you die. I'm cool with it :-D

-Steven
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 23/08/2006 23:27:14
Otis, I am in love..hehe exactly my sentiments.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: olam on 26/08/2006 07:40:16
tyat is good but did you belive it

creativity brings life
Title: Re: Love
Post by: olam on 26/08/2006 07:41:42
just be cool and ready to fly when love fall

creativity brings life
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 26/08/2006 07:48:01
;-) I will let you think I did...hehe

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: olam on 26/08/2006 09:58:28
you did wat?


creativity brings life
Title: Re: Love
Post by: olam on 26/08/2006 10:03:23
fall?
moonfire, be carefull you might not like where you may injured ok babe?


creativity brings life
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 27/08/2006 06:26:31
LOL Fall in Love could be taken as an injury to the heart one must be careful....thanks for the advice and I will keep it in the back of my mind if I get near it again...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: olam on 27/08/2006 09:33:56
ok
that is why  ilove you

creativity brings life
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 27/08/2006 18:36:04
Yep same love i have for you too...I am sure!!!!  Virtual love...aww, so sweet, so nice, and so crazy

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 28/08/2006 01:23:42
Olam, Is life hard for you at this time? are you doing well? My thoughts are with you constantly and hope you heard my words well and understood what I said to  you my friend, as they will never change and they will remain true always!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: olam on 28/08/2006 03:34:42
yesooooooooo karen no body can take you away from me due to your sweet words you spread away so that all the brids will countinue to sing it out all the flower will dance to it love you.i will countinue folow ur foot steep

creativity brings life
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 28/08/2006 04:15:33
LOL  Karen, get back from the muffler...please!  LOL  Olam is the romantic one, isn't he?  Saying this without trying to smile...okay, okay...I lied...I am laughing...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 28/08/2006 05:33:50
He is wonderful!  I am just having some fun with him!  We all love him!  LOL  rest my friend Olam!  LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 28/08/2006 05:39:22
I know Loretta, he loves you all too! We both do! You guys are the best!!! what you say helps us both so much!!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 28/08/2006 06:04:26
I only want you both to smile which is most important!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 28/08/2006 06:09:37
I love you LOretta and I am so worried and scared.. I am greatful for you all here. Can't stop crying though you know what I mean!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 28/08/2006 06:17:29
I love ya too girl!  I understand...but you must remember you are strong and no matter what you are going to have to face...you have to face it head on!  It is not easy when you have to face tough decisions...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 28/08/2006 06:45:34
I don't know if He can face them alone either!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 28/08/2006 07:13:04
I know...but you can both come up with a solution in your own worlds....you can and you will

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Grecian on 28/08/2006 08:57:12




Yes you can, just be strong Karen.



Love you lots

Helena  xxx



Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 01/09/2006 04:54:41
Well Look who the cat drug in! Where have you been!!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 01/09/2006 05:01:31
Hi Helena Darling!!!  Missed you girl!!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 01/09/2006 06:58:20
We both posted to helena post from the 28th3 days ago Loretta thats why I said iguess i am the one the cat drug in!! Whoops!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 01/09/2006 07:00:37
LOL  I see....but thought I would follow suit and stir her in some trouble...oops, I meant stir up some trouble for her...hehe  Oh, Carolyn, where are you???  hehe

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 01/09/2006 07:20:41
That could work... where is carolyn... I will be back as I have to go outside to the car... will be about 15 minutes don't panic unless I don't come back!! Im gonna try not too!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Carolyn on 01/09/2006 13:27:30
I'm here now, but you all are gone.  I got stuck fininshing paperwork and missed all the fun.[^]

Carolyn
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 01/09/2006 13:44:59
awww, you sure did!  Ewww, found a bad combo...me and paperwork, carolyn and paperwork...oh, wrong part of forum...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 01/09/2006 17:25:24
Yeperoo You missed and we missed you too!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 03/09/2006 16:21:58
LOL  I see...someone check me into the hospital...oh, I would love to wear the coat with my arms strapped to body please....

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 03/09/2006 19:26:11
Loretta how is it today ? Did deny leave yet? Am worried about you and would like to call today if you are all right with that....

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 04/09/2006 01:36:48
You can call...no problem...he will be leaving  he says tomorrow..we will see...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 04/09/2006 02:39:26
oKEY DOKEY , i WILL CALL IN A FEW MINUTESIT IS 6:44PM MY TIME, WHAT ABOUT YOU TWO HRS MORE EH!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 04/09/2006 03:44:45
cool I am with you on that one...lol

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 04/09/2006 04:52:44
Nice to tal Loretta lovely to hear your voice!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 04/09/2006 05:10:29
Same here...likewise!  You are such a wonderful person!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 04/09/2006 05:33:14
MOI, Your the best Loretta, thanks so much for watching out for my heart!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 04/09/2006 05:58:23
No problem....that is what friends are for....as you are trying to watch out for mine too...oh, maybe my company will be gone tomorrow...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Carolyn on 04/09/2006 06:42:37
You two sweety pies are sending me into sugar shock.
[:)]
Carolyn
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 04/09/2006 06:50:33
sweety pies...ew...LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 04/09/2006 10:45:10
Carolyn, You are too Funny! Loretta I hope you company HIts the road Jack>>>>LOL Sorry it has been so long and hard for you! I hope you have fun for your time off tomorrow Loretta!
  Sugare Pie Honey bunch.....how I love my baby..! OH...I can't Help myself...I love you and nobody else...Sugar pie  honey bunch...How I love my baby I cant help myself ohhh I love you and nobody else do do do do do do ta ta ta ta ta ta

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 04/09/2006 14:26:00
I am singing another song...not the one you heard last night..but Hit the road jack and don'tcha come back no more, no more..LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 04/09/2006 14:27:27
Hey, you need to go to the misbehaving forum section..you are sumpin else girl...lol bad queen mod, bad!  LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Carolyn on 04/09/2006 14:30:26
Hey, we sang that song when Ashley went off to college.  Good thing she appreciates my sense of humor.  HAHA.  So am I correct in assuming he's leaving today?  Maybe things can get back to normal now.  Have a wondermous day.

Carolyn
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 04/09/2006 14:36:22
You are so funny...LOL  He said maybe yesterday and I am thinking positive!!!  Oh, geez, would that be a positive thing to say? Hmmm...

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mirage on 04/09/2006 17:21:41
I sometimes wished I had been called Jack or even Percy

Some days it's not even worth knawing at the straps
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 04/09/2006 20:15:43
Whyy for Dan Is a very nice name. Is it just dan, or Daniel?

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mirage on 04/09/2006 20:35:57
Whoosh I'm afraid.

It's Daniel really but most people just call me Dan, or other names which are rude so I will not be posting those. I do like my name but then you come across other people and their names sound better. However I would never change my name, it's part of me and I like to fantasise being able to land in a pit of lions and them not eating me, then we sit down and have a tea party with cucumber sandwiches and talk politics while the martians fly around outside

Some days it's not even worth knawing at the straps
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 04/09/2006 20:54:47
I like that name Daniel, Its very nice , I don't here it much these days! I named my Youngest son Nathaniel and struggled choosing as I liked Daniel also!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mirage on 04/09/2006 22:23:30
I like Nathaniel, especially after watching 6ft under, I think Nate is a cool name. I do like Daniel, I can't remember what other names my parents had considered. In the end they thought I was a Daniel, I think I was just me but it's an endless debate in my household

Some days it's not even worth knawing at the straps
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 04/09/2006 22:44:10
Its a good strong Name. Hey I just ate really Good Chinese food! Best I have eaten all week. Feel much better today! Human again I believe!!!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mirage on 05/09/2006 16:42:18
Mmmm chinese food. I like the Chinese and Japanese, hot girls [;)]

Some days it's not even worth knawing at the straps
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/09/2006 18:52:13
You Like all Girls , What the heck are you thinking anyways!!!lol

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mirage on 05/09/2006 19:03:11
That's true, but I've always had a thing for asian girls.

A reason why I want to go to Japan and China, and now Singapore [:D] [;)]

-------------------------
Flying Monkey Slayer says:

Some days it's not even worth knawing at the straps
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/09/2006 19:40:43
Doesn't sound like you are missing out on too much in this world!!!LOL
Haave fun in your travels!LOL

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mirage on 05/09/2006 19:41:41
I need to make some serious money before I can do that though. Oh well, they'll have to cope without me for the time being [;)]

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Flying Monkey Slayer says:

Some days it's not even worth knawing at the straps
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/09/2006 20:14:49
Well that means I will enjoy the pleasure of your company here for a while Then!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Mirage on 05/09/2006 20:16:55
But of course hun.

I would never leave the board anyway, I'm rooted now [;)] [:)]

-------------------------
Flying Monkey Slayer says:

Some days it's not even worth knawing at the straps
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/09/2006 03:08:01
Good for you and all of us... Welcome aboard again!!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 06/09/2006 04:50:54
Well, I definitely am not bored!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/09/2006 07:09:33
Good , I am glad it is never boring with LO and Karen & Carolyn and Neil and Michael and DAN, etc etc etc!!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 06/09/2006 07:11:16
No doubt...LOL

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/09/2006 07:13:49
HOW was your day?

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 06/09/2006 07:22:16
It was pretty interesting...but overall okay

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/09/2006 07:48:45
Mine was great!

 Tonight the pits, will talk to you soon. Everything fine but have some odd thoughts will let you know!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 06/09/2006 14:42:55
I know...thinking about some ideas for you..

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/09/2006 16:05:01
Thoughts are about something else all together!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 06/09/2006 19:27:45
yep!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 07/09/2006 02:44:21
Loretta, You too!

Karen
Title: Re: Love
Post by: thayo on 07/09/2006 03:40:53
mine: not too go.....d, life kept going, the sun shined, the moon brightened, some droplets of rain i experienced and people around me did their normal stuffs as if every thing was okay with everybody. whao.. can somebody deduce some secrets of life from that.............lol: one's presence only acclaim a little respect for one, when one is not there a subtle forgetness sets in, also if one is opportuned to put somethings right one should,because a book of life's philosophy made me understand that it is a priviledge because if one resists it some one else does.life is whao....... lots of love to my favourites

lets keep trying the untried since the birth of science innovations have been like  toy but their impacts have rocked the world
Title: Re: Love
Post by: moonfire on 07/09/2006 04:01:02
Poor Thayo...things will get better...don't let the rain or people dampen your spirits!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 07/09/2006 09:12:10
Cheer up buttercup!

Karen
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 06/08/2007 20:24:44
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Post by: Karen W. on 06/08/2007 20:33:39
You are so cute... It is the best thing ever! You have lots of time for lots of memories and love.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 06/08/2007 21:21:01
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/08/2007 23:49:11
Concentrate real hard on your work so you can continue to think about her after school.  Just say, "if I don't pay attention I won't be able to  see or be around Kayla cause I will have to be doing double duty on school work after school, because I didn't do it at school. I was too busy thinking about kayla, and I just thunk myself out of time with her!"

That ought to do it! The thought of no time at all!
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 07/08/2007 01:28:18
Did we dig up this post from page 54? Or was it started today?

For the last time, I'm not jealous.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 07/08/2007 01:53:05
This is an old thread!
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 07/08/2007 02:05:13
Dug up probably by kraner, or you, no doubt. For obvious reasons.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 07/08/2007 06:32:27
Did we dig up this post from page 54? Or was it started today?

For the last time, I'm not jealous.

Who would you be jealous of.. Ryan and Kayla?? I don't get it!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 07/08/2007 06:34:22
Dug up probably by kraner, or you, no doubt. For obvious reasons.

LOL I did not dig it up, it was on when I got up! LOL...By the way what do you mean by "the obvious reasons"??? Do you mean Ryan and kayla again..?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 07/08/2007 14:06:55
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Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 07/08/2007 20:33:13
I probably couldn't get anyone, i never tried so i wouldn't know.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 07/08/2007 20:35:24
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Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 07/08/2007 20:41:58
Hm, maybe.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 07/08/2007 20:43:49
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 07/08/2007 22:55:40
When the time is right, you will know it, when the person is right you will also feel it.. as simple as that!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 08/08/2007 01:47:32
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/08/2007 08:48:59
Good Love heals a lot of things and gives hope when hope is hard to find.. I hope you both find it .. You both are very young it will come .. what you have now may or may not last forever but enjoy it while you have it and if it lasts just remember how lucky you are to be blessed with each others love... sometimes love slips away so fast that it leaves you spinning in circles and useless. I still don't understand it.. I don't think I ever will again..
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 08/08/2007 13:35:15
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Title: Love
Post by: kdlynn on 08/08/2007 15:17:01
smokey the bear went swimming with you? was it boring because all he talked about was forest fire prevention?
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 08/08/2007 15:23:35
Smokey is our friend's nick name.

We are going swimming tomorrow :). I hope. LoL. I will at least see her tomorrow. I hope smokey don't touch her like he was touching all the other girls in the pool yesterday. His girlfriend got really pissed. LoL. I don't know what I am going to do to him if he touches her like that...

okay, one: Smoke has a girlfriend?

two:He was touching girls? That doesn't seem like Smoke...

three: patotoes?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 08/08/2007 15:31:42
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Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 08/08/2007 15:34:24
This is disturbing news, i must contact the Council.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 08/08/2007 15:35:58
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Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 08/08/2007 15:42:41
What was the point quoting that?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 08/08/2007 15:44:56
That's why now leave this alone so Karen can see what I typed before.. LoL.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 08/08/2007 21:42:55
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 09/08/2007 01:15:32
We are going swimming tomorrow :). I hope. LoL. I will at least see her tomorrow. I hope smokey don't touch her like he was touching all the other girls in the pool yesterday. His girlfriend got really pissed. LoL. I don't know what I am going to do to him if he touches her like that...

Just so you have a better chance of seeing it Karen. LoL

Ryan How old is smoke? If you feel he is touching little girls inappropriately then laughing is not the thing to do. someone needs to intervene, a responsible adult needs to be told and you may have to do that... That all depends on what exactly he was doing and how he was doing it.. The child's parent should know and be aware to watch over the child...Remember the 5 B's...Responsibility begins with stepping up to the plate when you know something is wrong  it is no different then standing by and snickering when someone is being abusive or bigoted toward someone else and we look on and do nothing.. There are things you can do or say to stop the behavior instead of condoning it!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 09/08/2007 01:16:49
He is 14 or 15. Alright Karen I'll do that next time. Thanks Karen!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 09/08/2007 01:24:00
He is 14 or 15. Alright Karen I'll do that next time. Thanks Karen!

Don't get hurt be diplomatic guide the girl away or get a responsible adult! and explain what was happening..

Your welcome ..
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 09/08/2007 01:30:39
Karen what would I do without you? LoL.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 09/08/2007 01:33:28
You would jump for joy!!!! LOL
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 09/08/2007 13:29:54
You just help me out a bunch. LoL. And same with everyone else on here!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 09/08/2007 17:50:46
That is a nice thing to say..Thanks.. we like your participation. You should pose some questions about how different types of guitars work in the general science section..You know like what is the little bridge inside the guitar used for what is its purpose.. then wait for an answer! LOL Spread your wings some more.. they don't have to be complicated questions simple and sweet will do.. I am at simple stage myself...
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 09/08/2007 19:49:21
Oh see there you go again Karen. LoL. Yeah I'll have to do that. LoL.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 09/08/2007 21:12:49
Yep I will wait with anticipation for your question!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 12/08/2007 02:24:30
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Title: Love
Post by: neilep on 12/08/2007 04:30:09
I probably couldn't get anyone, i never tried so i wouldn't know.

This upset me !! [:(]

ewe know..I don't think I've ever responded to a post by Ben before ! (it is  ' Ben ' isn't it !?)

I used to think EXACTLY the same !!....but I promise ewe ..that YOU will !!...one day !!......just be yourself and never be afraid to be as nervous as hell !!.......YOU are your biggest obstacle and as soon as you start to be yourself then one day it'll just all fall into place !!


*I've probably read far too much into what ewe said...*



*note to self: Stop being so analytical*
*note to self about note to self: Hmmmmm...what do I mean by that ?*
*note to self about note to selfs:.....Time for my medication !!...and perhaps a bed-bath by nursey !..YAYYYYYYYYYY !!*
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 12/08/2007 04:32:23
Yes it is Ben.LoL.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 12/08/2007 08:18:59
Yeah..Um..IDK..LoL..Ijust feel werid And SOON!!lol

You should not feel weird! I am in approximately 18 days on Aug. 30th, I will be 47 years old...HEE HEE HEE..I did not think I would make it! LOL...anyway at my age I am learning from the ground up in science I still don't fully understand gravity so all the things the kids learn I do too! LOL..No need to be embarrassed.. I lioke the learning you will too!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 12/08/2007 13:55:05
LoL. Jezze Karen you are OLD. LoL. My B-day is the 3rd!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 12/08/2007 16:04:34
LoL. Jezze Karen you are OLD. LoL. My B-day is the 3rd!

3rd of August??? happy birthday late or happy birthday early if it is Sept. 3rd!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 13/08/2007 12:32:03
Karen English Lesson! August third is past and I said IS so that means its coming. So, its September. LoL.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 13/08/2007 16:54:28
English Lesson eh?? Well sounds like you will be having a jolly nice birthday!4 days after mine! LOL
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 13/08/2007 18:30:49
HAHA..Birthday week.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 13/08/2007 19:35:06
Yep!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 13/08/2007 20:36:11
I'm almost 14! LoL.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 14/08/2007 00:40:30
Yayyyy! Nice age..year and a 1/2 to your Driving permit.. is it the same as california? 15 and 1/2?
Title: Love
Post by: kdlynn on 14/08/2007 01:56:41
yeah it is. it used to be sixteen for your permit here and that's why half of us wanted to move to california. lol
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 14/08/2007 02:53:34
LOL that is what I thought. Glad they changed it!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 14/08/2007 14:31:23
And now they are talking about not being able to get your licences until you are 18. Its pretty stupid if you ask me. I'll be in my second year of college when I'm 18. :P its true though.

Michigan kids can start driving at 14!!
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 14/08/2007 15:09:47
I probably couldn't get anyone, i never tried so i wouldn't know.

This upset me !! [:(]

ewe know..I don't think I've ever responded to a post by Ben before ! (it is  ' Ben ' isn't it !?)

I used to think EXACTLY the same !!....but I promise ewe ..that YOU will !!...one day !!......just be yourself and never be afraid to be as nervous as hell !!.......YOU are your biggest obstacle and as soon as you start to be yourself then one day it'll just all fall into place !!


*I've probably read far too much into what ewe said...*



*note to self: Stop being so analytical*
*note to self about note to self: Hmmmmm...what do I mean by that ?*
*note to self about note to selfs:.....Time for my medication !!...and perhaps a bed-bath by nursey !..YAYYYYYYYYYY !!*


My own worst enemy eh? WAIT, how did you know? ...No it must be coincidence.

Time for me to read deeper into what you were saying!

Hmmmm, so your saying i shouldn't even try? Okay, i won't then.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/08/2007 00:56:25
No, I think he is saying just be yourself and the right person will come along.. when the time is right!
Title: Love
Post by: neilep on 15/08/2007 01:30:55
I'm the youngest here..I'm eight !
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 15/08/2007 01:31:55
Neil Neil Neil. LoL. A bit young to be having 3 kids. Isn't it like not possible at that age?
Title: Love
Post by: neilep on 15/08/2007 01:36:25
Neil Neil Neil. LoL. A bit young to be having 3 kids. Isn't it like not possible at that age?

Actually, I have four bra...erhm kids.....one of them is 'offsite' fleeing the sick !!.....

LOL..I suppose I was an early starter.... [;D]

...of course it's probable that I may have been born on Feb 29th !... [;)]
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 15/08/2007 01:37:38
I thought you said 3. Oh well. LoL. hahahaha..
Title: Love
Post by: neilep on 15/08/2007 01:41:06
I did mention that three were sick earlier today in another thread !!....but*le sigh* it's really four....2, 5, 11 & 13...arrrgghhhhhhhhh !!!!! *pulls out hair*
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 15/08/2007 01:58:16
I thought you said ALL three. LoL. OH well. hahahaha. I'm 13! LoL. Are you my daddy Neil?
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/08/2007 02:10:04
I'm the youngest here..I'm eight !

YES THE BABY OF THE FAMILY ALRIGHT!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/08/2007 02:16:00
I did mention that three were sick earlier today in another thread !!....but*le sigh* it's really four....2, 5, 11 & 13...arrrgghhhhhhhhh !!!!! *pulls out hair*
Neily Stop pulling your hair out, LOL You can't afford to spare anymore! HEE HEE HEE!
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 15/08/2007 14:28:58
No, I think he is saying just be yourself and the right person will come along.. when the time is right!

Yeah, you would say that.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/08/2007 14:51:56
Sorry How do you know what I would say? LOL LOL!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 15/08/2007 14:52:55
Man he is like Neil. Neil summons Ben knows. LoL.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/08/2007 14:53:46
LOL LOL Yeah right!LOL!
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 15/08/2007 14:54:29
Knowledge is power.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/08/2007 15:38:42
ok!
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 16/08/2007 16:13:57
Hi everyone.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 16/08/2007 16:21:09
Hi.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 16/08/2007 21:22:11
I'm tired today.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 16/08/2007 22:02:09
You had a big day planed what happened?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 16/08/2007 22:09:29
IDK. LoL.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 17/08/2007 02:28:47
AMP eh?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 17/08/2007 02:31:03
Amplifier!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 17/08/2007 02:43:34
sorry!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 17/08/2007 13:06:53
HAHA I'll get the information on it soon.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 18/08/2007 00:22:20
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 18/08/2007 01:32:09
A few, I am no expert. Usually that is pretty young but I have seen some go from kinergarten to 5o years and one die before the other very happy together, but I would hesitate to ever offer a guess. Ryan I thought at one time I would be married to bob for my whole life... We are still married but not happy and both doing our own thing.. His thing is way different then mine ..but I won't go into that.. There is no hurry Ryan.. When its right it will just be right.. For the time in our life for me at least it was the right thing.. If I had it to do again I would choose differently, but then I would not have my present children and I would never trade them for anything...well at least nothing short of my Alfa Romero!!!! LOL..Just kidding you know!! HEE HEE! Me luvs me kids a lot, just like you mom and dad luvs you... no matter what that never changes..
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 18/08/2007 01:33:32
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Post by: Karen W. on 18/08/2007 01:52:36
Thats the best any of us can do.. Just remember sometimes the punches hurt real real bad..
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 18/08/2007 02:03:46
Yeah I already know that.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 18/08/2007 02:10:57
Yeah.. well don't forget it!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 18/08/2007 02:11:43
Yeah.. well don't forget it!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 18/08/2007 02:15:43
YeaH!!! Hugs Ryan.. LOL
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 18/08/2007 02:17:42
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 18/08/2007 02:19:42
HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS!!! Everyone needs hugs!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 18/08/2007 02:22:00
Tell me about it!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 18/08/2007 12:01:59
Tell me about it!

OK, EVERYONE NEEDS HUGS... HUGS.... HUGS.... HUGS!!!!!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 18/08/2007 12:50:42
Karen was is in a hug giving mood last night.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 19/08/2007 04:25:54
Karen is in a hug giving mood morning noon and night every night 365 days a year.. LOL I now not how many minutes seconds etc.. LOL..HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS HUGS! LOL After hugs... I am a Jabberbox!!!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 19/08/2007 16:23:17
HAHA..NO your not a jabberbox. My sister is. She never shuts up.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 19/08/2007 17:31:59
Neither do I as I type I am talking to you.. Silence is not golden. It only serves to make me crazy and gives me too much time to think about and over anylize things said and read! LOL
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 19/08/2007 19:20:03
HAHA so true.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 19/08/2007 20:18:55
Yeah I like things going on around me!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 19/08/2007 21:28:17
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Post by: Karen W. on 19/08/2007 21:31:58
nice!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 19/08/2007 21:35:49
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Post by: Karen W. on 19/08/2007 22:29:01
Nice have a nice visit!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 20/08/2007 00:44:17
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Post by: Karen W. on 20/08/2007 00:52:53
LOL sounds like a nice friend. Who is State? A pal from school?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 20/08/2007 00:54:43
Yep! He is a sophomore. We have always been great friends! And since I discovered music. We are more friends! He just don't want a piano for his band yet..LoL.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 20/08/2007 01:10:22
Well you will have to convince him of the errors of his ways ! LOL Sell it to him, the idea and benefits of a piano in his band the romance, and the beautiful sounds that compliment the instuments! LOL You can do it!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 20/08/2007 01:12:40
Yeah I'm sure that ones I learn something he really likes, I'm sure sooner or later he will break down and ask me. So I don't start a band and beat his :P LoL
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 20/08/2007 01:14:48
 Thats a good idea too! It is nice your friend and you have the same hobbies interest love for music!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 20/08/2007 01:15:51
Yep! He lives 2 miles away so he rides the fourwheeler over almost EVERYDAY.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 20/08/2007 01:23:35
Sounds fun.. I need to start my scooter and try to ride it again.. maybe my physical therapist can get me back up to par so I can ride it again. it was fun!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 20/08/2007 01:29:30
Scooter..What kind of scooter. And any kind are fun!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 20/08/2007 01:45:15
I have a little chinese jobber called a Rocketta, it is a 4 stroke, 49.cc electric start gas powered scooter. Yellow and black! It is fun!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 20/08/2007 01:46:01
Sweet!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 20/08/2007 01:46:27
I have a picture of me on it a long time ago before I lost my weight.. at least I think I have it, may have lost it on old hard drive!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 20/08/2007 01:48:04
I hate when hard drives fail. Its terrible.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 20/08/2007 01:50:13
Yes it is! A pain in the tush..
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 20/08/2007 01:51:32
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Post by: Karen W. on 20/08/2007 01:56:28
I know you do. How is she today? Glad to be home?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 20/08/2007 02:02:28
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 20/08/2007 02:16:57
Good.. I am glad. How old is Kayla..?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 20/08/2007 02:26:45
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Post by: Karen W. on 20/08/2007 02:29:27
You guys are so young! LOL Oh to be young again! LOL!!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 20/08/2007 02:30:44
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Post by: Simulated on 20/08/2007 02:31:23
talkto you later!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 20/08/2007 02:33:30
Night Ryan Sleep well!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 20/08/2007 20:44:29
Yeah I slept good. Just shouldn't have slept in that late!
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 21/08/2007 00:17:53
Yes were are rather young.

Too young.
Title: Love
Post by: johnbrandy on 21/08/2007 00:34:19
In my view, Love is difficult to define. I believe it is an emotion. Yet I sense it is more. It also seem to be an impulse, not casually connected with thought processes. The instinct for love may be, in part biological. Perhaps the brain is in some way hardwired for Love, and, as some suggest, a belief in God . If true, this does not, of necessity mean , that Love or God originates in the brain. To me this suggest that the brain is predisposed to experience love and a understanding of God. Brain development is effected by culture, rearing, and life experience. Yet there are many examples of individuals that transcend a culture and rearing that teaches hate and learned to love their so called enemies. Their life experience revealed the innate impulse for universal Love. I believe that Love is fundamentally universal. Personal Love is "usually" based on physical attraction, initially. What does it mean to Love your spouse, children, siblings, and close relatives and perhaps a few close friends  and largely disregard everyone else. I am not suggesting we accept everyone with open arms. This is potentially dangerous. What I am suggesting is to recognize the capacity for achieving genuine enlightened self-awareness in our Loving relationships. Truly striving, committing to learn, listen and reflect. There is so much to learn from these relationships, and eventually this awareness, this matured Love will  invariable grow and encompass the world at large. Loving is an act, a process of learning that requires commitment and awareness. It is innate, yet it must be cultivated.   
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 21/08/2007 01:25:43
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Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2007 03:43:45
Yeah I slept good. Just shouldn't have slept in that late!

Glad you slept!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 21/08/2007 03:58:39
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Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2007 04:00:39
Glad you are here now!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 21/08/2007 04:02:27
Yeah I am too. Looooong day!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2007 04:03:49
I miss you guys when everyone is gone!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 21/08/2007 04:06:26
You don't know how much I missed you guys.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2007 04:11:53
Well That is nice to know Probably similar to me!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 21/08/2007 04:16:27
Probably more. HAHA
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2007 04:18:20
AHHH that is nice that you miss us.. we miss you too young man!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 21/08/2007 04:22:38
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Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2007 04:33:50
yes I am sure you do! I don't have anyone to miss.. my kids.. you guys!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 21/08/2007 04:35:19
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Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2007 04:37:46
It will be ok Ryan. I remember how nice it was to miss someone like that..Its normal Ryan. Its OK!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 21/08/2007 04:38:54
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Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2007 04:42:39
 Yep.. Counting hours is not good..But we have all done it! LOL Sorry you miss her!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 21/08/2007 04:43:51
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Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2007 05:11:06
OHhh She will get over it  or you will! LOL!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 21/08/2007 12:53:48
Yep. That's what I hope happens. HAha
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2007 15:06:10
LOL don't sweat the little things Ryan..They will work out!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 21/08/2007 15:06:48
OK.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2007 15:28:13
Ryan do either of your parents share a love of music?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 21/08/2007 15:32:37
Nope. They just listen to it. I'm an odd ball. Out of my mom and dad's sides of the family I'm the only one that can play like any intruments. Its weird. There are a few like my uncle and my mom's cousin that I ain't related to that are good at music though.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2007 15:35:20
Well That is really great. It sounds like your mom and dad encourage you and support you in it!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 21/08/2007 15:38:44
Yep! Dad thinks its great. Dad and I were outside inthe garage listening to this one song. He goes that's a rocking song. He goes to town. 30 minutes later when he gets home I go dad listen to this. HAHA
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2007 15:49:11
GOOD>> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE GOOD PALS> LWAYS REMEMBER THAT! IT is important! A good Dad is a wonderful thing Ryan.. I missed that growing up. My husband has his faults but he has been a wonderful father to his kids and he loves them, I could never deny that. He is good with kids not as good as MOI! LOL But he is good and wants to be a grandfather. I don't see it happening for many years though!
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Post by: Simulated on 21/08/2007 16:49:20
The only thing I don't like is. I spent 10 hours cleaning and forgot to fold the clothes so he goes enough computer (I was only on it for an hour) and get those clothes folder. You can get back on tomorrow. HAHA
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Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2007 18:49:07
I am sorry. It will be fine.. Just listen to your Dad. I know you don't like it! Perhaps he is concerned ?You'll be fine young man. have a nice break!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 21/08/2007 19:02:26
My heads itchy...

Yup probably just.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 21/08/2007 21:56:45
Well wash your hair,it should feel better then!LOL
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 22/08/2007 01:39:12
Yeah my head got SOAKED at soccer again today.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 22/08/2007 02:55:53
Still raining? Wow!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 22/08/2007 03:07:05
Its supposed to be raining all week. WE just got 2 hours of rain today (during soccer no less lol)
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 22/08/2007 03:09:36
 Mother nature sure has her timing down good.. eh?
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Post by: Simulated on 22/08/2007 03:11:58
Yeah it does! LoL.
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Post by: Karen W. on 22/08/2007 03:15:54
See you later, need to eat!
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Post by: Simulated on 22/08/2007 03:16:16
So I heard!
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Post by: Karen W. on 22/08/2007 04:52:59
SO YOU DID EH??? LOL LOL !
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 22/08/2007 19:26:56
Yeah I did. LoL.
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Post by: Karen W. on 22/08/2007 19:39:51
LOL LOL!! Afternoon Ryan!
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Post by: Simulated on 23/08/2007 00:19:17
Evening Karen!
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Post by: Karen W. on 23/08/2007 00:24:48
evening to you afternoon to me! THANKS RYAN!
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Post by: Simulated on 23/08/2007 00:27:46
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Post by: Karen W. on 23/08/2007 00:46:48
Its in diary I am fine.Glad you are talking!
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Post by: Simulated on 23/08/2007 00:49:19
OK i'll go check that out!
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Post by: Karen W. on 23/08/2007 00:57:37
ok.
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Post by: Simulated on 23/08/2007 17:02:36
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Post by: Karen W. on 23/08/2007 17:13:10
good!
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Post by: Simulated on 23/08/2007 17:24:00
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Post by: Karen W. on 23/08/2007 17:24:26
nice.
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Post by: Simulated on 23/08/2007 17:30:23
Oh Yeah!
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Post by: Karen W. on 23/08/2007 17:54:46
lol.
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Post by: Simulated on 23/08/2007 17:57:07
I'm hungry. And all we have is hot dogs!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 23/08/2007 18:29:10
Good grief do I have to come make you lunch? LOL!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 23/08/2007 18:30:02
do you eat sour kraut? Or Beans?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 23/08/2007 18:31:00
HAHA..Nah Sour Kruat can be good but I through that up alot. And yummy beans. LoL.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 23/08/2007 18:32:52
You cut your hot dogs up and mix them into your sour kraut, brown them up together and serve! You can add seasoning to your taste!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 23/08/2007 18:33:51
Do the same with the beans except grate some cheese over the top! My mom called both dishes hobo delight! LOL she loved hot dogs!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 23/08/2007 18:38:36
HAHA, but I already had 2 hot dogs today. LoL.

Hey Karen, how do you get rid of a nasty smell. Or basement smells TERRRIBLE.
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Post by: Karen W. on 23/08/2007 18:58:32
Is the basement damp? There may be mold. Temporarily open several boxes of baking soda and open them and place them around. Is your basement finished or unfinished. If it is finished check the dark areas and walls low and see if there is spotted mildew. Sometimes if there is no heat or fresh air circulation it gets smelly! If you have a window you could open which would allow air circulation this will help. a bleach solution would help the mildew is it is just wall surface mildew from being cold and damp! Old things smell also!If you have old clothing stored I recommend washing and drying it and storing them in space bags or vacuumn sealed bags. protects against odor and dampness mildew and such.
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Post by: Simulated on 23/08/2007 23:13:01
Defienly its a 40 year old unfinished basement. HAHA. Mom brought home a big old mop and we spent an hour moping the floor. It smells better. We are going to do it again tomorrow.

THanks for the info!
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Post by: Karen W. on 23/08/2007 23:54:54
if you vaccumn seal things then store them in plastic bins it keeps them safe and mildew free aswell as dust free. They smell nice and fresh after you open them years later! Cleaning the floors ans walls will go a long way to freshing. Do you have basement windows, as even if you just keep it cracked a tiny bit it will help ventilate as well as keep air circulating and mildew will be less. Moving air is important disease and things build up and can cause health problems with too much dust!
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Post by: neilep on 24/08/2007 00:34:10
Hmmmmmmm...Hot Dogs !!


(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.madcitydog.com%2FStella_and_Henry_Hot_Dogs_2.JPG&hash=6a7291ed8ec095205d17727629256e5a)
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 24/08/2007 01:38:50
HA HA HA HA LOL Dude made me choke laughing! HEE HEE.. Cute Dogs! LOL
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 24/08/2007 02:11:06
HAHA. Neil you have to much time.
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Post by: Simulated on 27/08/2007 16:37:19
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Post by: neilep on 27/08/2007 16:54:56
Lots if people do kiss before they leave to go to work...I myself have my wifey and four kids line up at the door for me to receive ' goodbye luff and joy' from each and every one....and also next doors family too..and their pets !

The thing is...once you're in a marriage it IS rare for all those sweet little niceties to be maintained......but this is not a bad thing...it can be a good thing................

....you mention that you do not know what is going to happen once you leave.....but what a happily married couple do know is that they love each other........it's an unconditional knowledge that you and your spouse do in fact love each other very much.....which is nice.

Often, if wifey is there then we'll have a kiss...else..a ' feel '...LOL !!...or...if she's attending stuff then it's impractical to seek her out...a quick shout and off I go.....she may be hanging the washing in the garden...or ..if she's going out..I may be doing stuff too....

It does get to a point that after a while...a goodbye kiss is not needed, expected or required......but the love is known !!
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Post by: Simulated on 27/08/2007 17:05:09
I see. LOl
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Post by: neilep on 27/08/2007 17:15:45
Fact is Ryan....for the most time....when a relationship is all new it's exciting and you can rarely keep your hands off each other !!...if not that then you're always thinking about your partner....how wonderful and new this is..how exciting it is to feel like this...

...after a while.....the uniqueness of these new emotions dampen down a little as you become more familiar with each other and more comfortable with how each person is.

Don;t misunderstand me....lots of people DO have their little kisses when they separate each day...and there is nothing wrong with that..but it seems ..for the majority....a simple...."see you later...love you" is sufficient !!
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Post by: Karen W. on 28/08/2007 17:57:52
Great advice Kind Sir! Ryan you'd do well to remember that!
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Post by: Simulated on 28/08/2007 23:35:51
Oh I see...HAHA thanks neil!
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Post by: Karen W. on 28/08/2007 23:49:52
LOL LOL.. How are you Yong man? How was school! Sorry I missed your fisrt day..
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Post by: Simulated on 28/08/2007 23:51:01
I'm starting to get a headache from all the starring at the paper. I'll answer taht in the diary.
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Post by: Karen W. on 28/08/2007 23:52:29
OK!
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Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 29/08/2007 17:53:33
Why's this topic still going? I'm surprised...

Anyway......crap, I just realized I have nothing to talk about relating to the subject.

ESRB is evil and unjust. They can all rot.
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Post by: Karen W. on 29/08/2007 18:22:58
What is ESRB???

I see it here in your quote, "In the beginning, there was no ESRB, and it was good. No great. Absolutley spectabulous!!" I still don't understand it!
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Post by: Simulated on 29/08/2007 23:58:17
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Post by: Karen W. on 30/08/2007 02:00:48
ohhhhh ok!
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Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 30/08/2007 17:43:17
There once was a game called Bioshock. Bioshock was an excellent game. So I reserved  it for five dollars, waited three months in anxiety. One day before release, ESRB changed the rating, making me unable to get the game. They made me waste my time and money.

Usually, once all the reasons for the rating are decided, no more are added. Not this time. My friend has played through the game, and doesn't think the rating is right! My mom says I can get any game I want, as long as it doesn't have Sexual Themes, or anything like that.

ESRB screwed twice now.

Spacewar. Spacewar was the first video game, created by two guys. It was two bars, and a dot. Funnest game ever. Gaming back then was about gaming, you could buy a game not worrying about any rating except the one the gaming magazine gave it on greatness. You didn't flip the game over to see the rating, you flipped it over to see the price.


I long for those days....*cue violin*
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Post by: Karen W. on 30/08/2007 17:46:38
You sound so much older then you are! LOL
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Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 30/08/2007 17:51:38
Don't let it fool you, I'm just pissed is all. [;)]
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Post by: Karen W. on 30/08/2007 17:56:01
Nothing you say fools me! I can read you like a book!!! LOL...An open Book!
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 31/08/2007 14:06:28
The last paragraph was more or less quoted.
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Post by: Simulated on 31/08/2007 14:08:28
Yeah that's ben..I can too at times. LoL.
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Post by: Simulated on 31/08/2007 16:38:55
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Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 31/08/2007 17:24:41
2 days you whiner. Suck it up. Sheesh.
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Post by: Simulated on 31/08/2007 22:46:43
Fine..bye
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Post by: Simulated on 02/09/2007 04:30:19
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Post by: Karen W. on 04/09/2007 04:43:00
I spent some more time with Kayla tonight :) and I will probably be with her monday. At the county fair. And that's by birthday. How ironic.


I made it home in time to say!!! It's NOT midnight YET!!!!
Happy Birthday Ryan....!!!! YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 04/09/2007 17:43:06
Heh. [:)]
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Post by: Karen W. on 04/09/2007 17:44:51
hi Ben!
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 04/09/2007 17:47:11
Hi.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/09/2007 06:15:14
What you doing? Are you keeping busy and working hard?
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/09/2007 06:15:36
Have you found a job?
Title: Love
Post by: kdlynn on 05/09/2007 06:16:52
a job?! he's fourteen....
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/09/2007 06:30:08
LOL...Fourteen year olds work to. Mine all did! From babysitting to dairy farming they spent their money buying music junk food etc.
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Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 05/09/2007 17:49:35
a job?! he's fourteen....

Yep, hired by Spec Ops to hunt dragons with helicopters. They admitted they could use my skills.
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Post by: Karen W. on 05/09/2007 19:16:24
Good luck hunting those dragons! I hope you catch them all!
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Post by: Simulated on 05/09/2007 23:49:17
I spent some more time with Kayla tonight :) and I will probably be with her monday. At the county fair. And that's by birthday. How ironic.


I made it home in time to say!!! It's NOT midnight YET!!!!
Happy Birthday Ryan....!!!! YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Thank Karen. LoL.
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Post by: Simulated on 05/09/2007 23:50:37
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Post by: Simulated on 06/09/2007 01:37:15
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Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 06/09/2007 01:58:08
Sounds great, pity it won't last...
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Post by: Karen W. on 06/09/2007 02:01:48
Sounds like you had a lot of fun Ryan.. I am glad you had a nice time with Kayla and all your friends!

The fair is always fun!
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Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 06/09/2007 02:03:32
Sounds like you had a lot of fun Ryan.. I am glad you had a nice time with Kayla and all your friends!

The fair is always fun!

Actually, it's all Kayla's friends, not Kraners.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/09/2007 02:08:39
Well that is how one makes friends! After all one friend introduces you to one you hang out and there friends sometimes become yours and so on and so fourth! LOL
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/09/2007 02:08:54
How are you Ben?
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 06/09/2007 02:10:21
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeh.

Eric better pay up. After Sept. 6, I'll get the files from someone else.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/09/2007 02:17:11
What kinda files are you after this time Young man!
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 06/09/2007 02:19:15
Very important files.

Entertainment files.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/09/2007 02:21:41
ooooh more game codes etc!
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 06/09/2007 02:25:32
Yes, games. But that takes away the aura of it.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/09/2007 02:40:38
How.. doesn't it depend on the games?
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Post by: Simulated on 06/09/2007 10:31:06
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Post by: Simulated on 06/09/2007 11:39:59
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Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 06/09/2007 14:35:38
Actually that made no sense.
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Post by: Karen W. on 06/09/2007 16:41:15
Karen. Are we just werird? me and kayla. We like don't even talk until the last hour.

and something I think I might have noticed. During that Car ride. You know how two poeple are going out they think they have to sit side by side and hold hands and kiss and stuff. I see it now as I wanna do all the because I love her and no other reason. You know? IF that made sence.

I never experienced that Ryan .. You know the holding hands kissing thing.. especially at your age. I never ever dated or had a date until I was 19 years old my husband was my first kiss ...last kiss first everything.. I never dated anyone else and I felt the need to be close like that, but he did not! He was not a lovey dovey person and I thought that was normal, what did I know he was my first date!

It sounds normal to me Ryan I had the want to be close like that but it just was not reciprocated..

You both have plenty of time, so just enjoy each others company for now and have fun.. do fun things....yada yada yada.. You know I have already said that! LOL
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Post by: Simulated on 07/09/2007 01:27:19
Haha thank ya Karen.
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Post by: Karen W. on 07/09/2007 02:39:25
Your welcome Ryan!
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Post by: Simulated on 07/09/2007 22:10:15
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/09/2007 01:11:14
Well did you go?
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Post by: Simulated on 08/09/2007 01:14:12
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/09/2007 01:16:14
No I was looking at the date stamp on the forum clock it did not say today, but I forgot The Uk it is already tomorrow am. LOL
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Post by: Simulated on 08/09/2007 01:26:13
HAHA
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 08/09/2007 01:28:06
Yeah that thing always throws me off!
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Post by: Simulated on 08/09/2007 06:21:52
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/09/2007 06:23:13
I know you do! It will be fine.. Kayla will be there tomorrow.
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Post by: Simulated on 08/09/2007 06:25:06
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/09/2007 06:31:22
Its ok Ryan she is still there in your heart and there will be plenty more time! You have a whole lifetime don't rush it goes way too fast anyway!
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Post by: Simulated on 08/09/2007 16:39:38
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/09/2007 16:41:01
I am glad you have her in your heart.
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Post by: Simulated on 08/09/2007 16:44:27
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/09/2007 17:41:04
YAYYYYYYY!
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Post by: Simulated on 08/09/2007 18:36:49
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Post by: Karen W. on 09/09/2007 01:47:49
I have a lot of things I want to say to you regaurding this, but please give me a couple days.. so I will feel better and have some clearer thoughts for you. I know what I want to say to you, but today is not a day my head is not working right and I had to take some more medication  so I am a bit fuzzy.. make it simple stuff eh??
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Post by: Simulated on 09/09/2007 02:35:53
Will do keeping it simple. I'll wait!
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Post by: Karen W. on 09/09/2007 03:45:49
Thanks ryan.. sLeep well tonight!
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Post by: Simulated on 09/09/2007 14:30:07
I did.
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Post by: Karen W. on 09/09/2007 23:15:04
I am glad you did. How was your day. I have slept a lot today and went out and picked up something the dog chewed up. listened to Bob fix the plumbing and putting my two scents in and sleeping some more.

Did you talk to Kayla yet today?

I hope your day was good. have you got your amp cranked up and blowing the walls in yet today?
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Post by: Karen W. on 10/09/2007 01:19:00
Hi YA YOU!!
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Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 10/09/2007 17:45:21
I am glad you did. How was your day. I have slept a lot today and went out and picked up something the dog chewed up. listened to Bob fix the plumbing and putting my two scents in and sleeping some more.

Did you talk to Kayla yet today?

I hope your day was good. have you got your amp cranked up and blowing the walls in yet today?

*Chuckle*
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Post by: Karen W. on 10/09/2007 17:46:17
Hi Ben!
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Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 10/09/2007 17:47:00
Hello.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 10/09/2007 17:48:04
How are you today?
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 10/09/2007 17:49:51
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeh.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 10/09/2007 17:51:18
UHHHHHHHHHYEPPPPP! LOL
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Post by: moonfire on 13/09/2007 06:37:09
Love what happened? Has love no longer turned into mushy, ooshy, stuff?
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 13/09/2007 15:36:40
I think Ryan is in love right now!
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Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 13/09/2007 17:40:42
For a short while anyway.
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Post by: Karen W. on 13/09/2007 21:35:19
Who is to say!
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Post by: moonfire on 14/09/2007 03:43:27
hehe, go Ryan! Love is a splendor thing when you find it...don't let go and get ready to ride the rollercoaster! hehe
Title: Love
Post by: i am bored on 14/09/2007 12:06:19
i havent talked to or seen brianna in three weeks, she really ticked her mom off
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 14/09/2007 13:12:44
For a short while anyway.

Hey Ben Have you seen Ryan at school? He has not been on . I am a little worried. I know he is probably busy as heck, but would you ask him to give me a holler and let me know if things are alright?
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Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 14/09/2007 17:33:33
Bah, his dad is strict is all. Nothing to worry about.
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Post by: Karen W. on 14/09/2007 17:34:40
OK.. I am glad he is not sick or anything!

How are you today?
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 14/09/2007 17:36:16
Good.
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Post by: Karen W. on 14/09/2007 17:37:44
Yayyyy! I am glad.What are you doing this morning besides using your imagination?
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 14/09/2007 17:40:16
Did you see the Bear pictures I took from Oregon in the pictures of ourselves!

He was reaching out for food but he looked as if he was waving at us! LOL The kids were feeding them through the fence and the bears would sit up and try to catch the food!
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Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 14/09/2007 17:49:50
Nothing besides my imagination Karen.
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Post by: Karen W. on 14/09/2007 17:55:43
OK.. I hope you have a good afternoon.. I have to get ready to go to the doctor.. have fun today!

I hope you imagine some fun and lots of smiles!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 15/09/2007 13:24:59
For a short while anyway.

Hey Ben Have you seen Ryan at school? He has not been on . I am a little worried. I know he is probably busy as heck, but would you ask him to give me a holler and let me know if things are alright?

Yep I have one B+ I'm not aloud on the computer. Even though I have a 3.788 GPA. LoL. Now I"m going to get back to reading the rest of the thread.

OK.. I am glad he is not sick or anything!

How are you today?

Actually I have a cold. Had it all week. Stinks.
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Post by: Simulated on 15/09/2007 13:25:53
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Post by: Karen W. on 17/09/2007 03:45:34
For a short while anyway.

Hey Ben Have you seen Ryan at school? He has not been on . I am a little worried. I know he is probably busy as heck, but would you ask him to give me a holler and let me know if things are alright?

Yep I have one B+ I'm not aloud on the computer. Even though I have a 3.788 GPA. LoL. Now I"m going to get back to reading the rest of the thread.

OK.. I am glad he is not sick or anything!

How are you today?

Actually I have a cold. Had it all week. Stinks.

Sorry you have been sick we have missed you lots! Glad you made it on a bit Sorry I was not...Hope your weekend was good. Maybe I will get to talk to you next weekend. I hope you are able to get your grades up young man! :)

Go abandoning us here! LOL LOL!
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Post by: Karen W. on 17/09/2007 03:46:24
Yeah its been like a week since I've talked to Kayla and 2 since I've been with her. God I hope nothing happened to her last week.

You will be ok. Good thoughts!
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Post by: Simulated on 20/09/2007 11:05:24
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Post by: Karen W. on 20/09/2007 13:25:08
Me sorry too Ryan.. Hope things go smoothly for you and you feel better soon.  I am glad you had fun.. you should think of better places to hang out!
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Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 20/09/2007 17:47:59
Yeah its been like a week since I've talked to Kayla and 2 since I've been with her. God I hope nothing happened to her last week.

You will be ok. Good thoughts!

I was with her on Sunday. At the Canal Days. Its like a weekend where all the people come to get drunk and stuff. LoL. Don't worry we didn't do none of that. It was a good day Sunday. We spent four hours just sitting there, walking around, talking to people it was nice. The only bad part was my hands were frezzing until she held them. LoL, but they were still cold. I'm sick this week too. And sorry I'm getting a 3.788 and not a 4.0. LoL

Thats why people get g/fs and b/fs...hand warmers!

Course you can buy those at the store, but these are cheaper and all you gotta do is pretend to love em. Till they see through the deception and leave...sigh. Always flaws.
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Post by: Karen W. on 20/09/2007 18:45:22
People who pretend to love others just to fulfill their own physical needs, need to be.. well... I am not a good judge of that right now! It has happened to much...for me, and thousands of other people who trust too much and listen to their heart more then they should over their own good common sense!
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Post by: Simulated on 22/09/2007 00:15:23
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Post by: Karen W. on 22/09/2007 00:17:50
People like that are many in society today.. I guess there have always been people who play with peoples affections... It is really cruel and mean...
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Post by: Simulated on 22/09/2007 00:18:58
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Post by: Karen W. on 22/09/2007 00:32:10
 Well I am happy for you.. Young love..
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Post by: Simulated on 22/09/2007 00:35:09
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Post by: Karen W. on 22/09/2007 00:41:11
Well I think you have a lot of time to improve on that score although it is good for you..
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Post by: Simulated on 22/09/2007 00:43:36
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Post by: Karen W. on 22/09/2007 00:59:23
 I hope that is true for you Ryan.. Lots of nice thoughts for your future no matter who you spend it with!
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Post by: Simulated on 22/09/2007 01:28:35
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 22/09/2007 01:40:59
I don't know Ryan... I keep asking myself that about my heart to..  I love so much it hurts and I can't turn it off I tried.. but it doesn't work... I think that is something I will never understand.. I am someone who falls with their whole heart and soul and It never stops no matter what the other person does to you or how bad they treat you.. I don't get it myself..

Its kinda like a child that is abused badly by a parent but the child has made such an incredible bond with parent that the parent in the child's eyes can do no wrong... and the child still holds on to that love that is in their heart even in the face of the reality of the abuse...Children love unconditionally as they have not experienced the world  or had the hurts and disappointments that one has as they mature and grow older.We all strive for that unconditional love, but as older adults we put limits on how we offer up our love. We put conditions up, actually sabotaging ourselves at times with unreal expectations of what love really is and how we give and receive that love.

I know you are a young man But When I was young I was abused and experienced this same kinda of bond like I spoke of.. As an adult I fell in love actually I was 18, first date, first holding of hands, first kiss, first everything and to this day the only date kiss hand holding, first everything, I have ever been involved with and I am 47 years old.  I thought I was so in love  and we were such good friends we were married and have been for 27 years together for 29 years.  I thought our marriage was just the way it was supposed to be because I knew no other way! It was not a great marriage. No communication amongst a lot of other things. He made me feel stupid all the time and worthless. Kids house the chores the yard work maintenances repairs fixing of broken electronics everything was my job.. I was never allowed to call a repair man. Little did I know, It was me that needed to be fixed.. I took the blame for everything that went wrong.. I still do. I can't help it! It is still the scared child inside of me. Even though I know the difference my brain doesn't. It's habit I guess.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 22/09/2007 01:47:38
I bonded with him and knew no other love. He was gentle, and after being repeatedly abused by my stepfather, I thought I had met the greatest man on earth! We clicked and got along good, very seldom having words but even less having affection I thought that was the way it should be.. as my man experience had not been good!

I tried for years to do more fun things, be the wonderful wife, fix his meals, rub his feet after work, do whatever he wanted to help him relax.. usually he wanted me to go clean something the less talk and interaction the better.. It got to where if I really needed to talk to him about lack of affection the kids or just love.. or the stars,a rainbow,or whatever. I had to do it once we were in the car driving down the road, because then he couldn't bail out and had to talk or at least listen to resolve whatever was happening.  I hated it! More and more we grew apart because of lack of affection, communication, sadness and loneliness. You can live in the same house for 29 years and be the loneliest person on the planet!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 22/09/2007 02:02:12
He was not mean like physically hitting me or things like that. My husband was a gentle man and is.. as of late has scared me a couple times, but his heart was not with me. It was elsewhere. No matter how much I loved him and do to an extent now, it just isn't right. There was never passion or the right kind of love, or repect for that matter. He always had other partners besides me.  Some how I knew for years and didn't face it.. I loved him more then anything.. but he didn't love me. Then one day he admitted it and my life fell apart. Everything from my childhood came up and slapped me in the face and I shut down for two years,,, I won't go into detail but it took a long time to stand up again. And still like that infant or child that clings to the parent or loved one even in the face of the truth holding on.. I still could not accept it and he wanted to stay he was afraid to leave I would say please go then he would say he didn't want to.. and if he did, then I got so upset that he was going to go that it was a cycle, and it has taken years to get where I am. I still have had new surprises, he is here again wanting to stay and take care of me but at this juncture I have finally come to a point of saying goodbye to him. As I cannot continue with the stress of his life on mine. It is killing me. Ryan I will always love him no matter what he did or said.. but It's not like you just wake up one day and theres no love.. Its just that I finally seen I was the only one ever in love... Love takes two people .. at least the right kind of love.. I missed the boat! I could love him for a life time and I will BUT..it will never change the way he feels towards me. He is a good father loves his children so much, but does not love me.

Now, I do know what it is like to really fall in love and have.. but sometimes in life timing and our own present situations take priority and we cant erase our pasts our obligations and it just makes things impossible. Not that love stops, it Does not.. It changes, it stays in your heart and continues to grow and hopefully That love will be there for always... I am too old for all this love stuff. You are young You do have your whole life ahead of you...Enjoy it and love every minute of really being in love and loving someone and having them love you so much your hearts feel they  will burst!   

Hugs to you Ryan Your a great kid.. Love never stops if you keep it safe in your heart and cherish the memories and always remember!! Sometimes that is all we have or need. Love is wonderful, and Yet sometimes it can still just break your heart!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 22/09/2007 02:04:45
Sorry Ryan It has been an emotional day today and I am really sorry I rambled so!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 23/09/2007 02:02:56
ITs fine.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 23/09/2007 02:35:31
Good! Better be.. LOL! Teach you to ask me a serious question like that, won't it? LOL
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 23/09/2007 02:37:01
Haha. That's true.

I'm sure i'll get some more complicated/serious questions before i'm done with this site.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 23/09/2007 02:48:30
that was a difficult question.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 23/09/2007 14:29:16
Yes I know it was. s
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 23/09/2007 14:50:10
No Worries.. LOL We all ask them sometimes, doesn't mean we always get the right answer some answers will only come to you through years of experience!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 23/09/2007 15:25:31
I see
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 23/09/2007 15:32:44
Yeah right.. You see.. Where did you disappear too! LOL
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 23/09/2007 23:02:52
Today was a weird day.
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 25/09/2007 17:55:07
Same here.
Title: Love
Post by: kdlynn on 26/09/2007 00:15:16
actually today WAS weird...
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 26/09/2007 17:32:53
Sheesh so many people had a weird day at once.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 26/09/2007 23:10:38
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Title: Love
Post by: kdlynn on 27/09/2007 02:27:40
well now we're all curious...
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 27/09/2007 11:21:11
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 27/09/2007 15:48:50
How are things going this afternoon?
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 27/09/2007 17:52:01
Well you can't know. Cuz I ain't supposed to know.

He told the same thing to me. I understand though.

People who pry are n00bs.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 27/09/2007 18:18:05
Hi Ben. How are you?
Title: Love
Post by: kdlynn on 28/09/2007 00:56:01
i was just kidding
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 28/09/2007 00:59:55
You did not do anything wrong. You were just concerned as was I when I saw his post too.. It is OK.
Title: Love
Post by: Titanscape on 28/09/2007 07:47:19
Love from the heart, or an emotion? Can you want it from oneself?

You can lead a horse to water, but cannot make it drink right?

Action of the will and or moves the will.

Mysteriously motivated. Patriotism moves me. Appeals. I love Hungarianness.

There is pornea, "I feel love for that sexy girl, what a dear wonderul creature.", phileo, "love mum," agape, the divine benevolent love, stachy, I think, comradery,...

Patriotism for people of common fathers, influences me.

I love life sometimes, another's warmth generating heart.

In Hungarian, magyarul, my pen friend boasts, there are many words for love, unlike English. English, like, fancy, passion, love, charity, care, otherwise, we must say, romantic love, comradery, sexual love, patriotism, hold dear, in love...

In Hungarian, there is szerelem... words for love being in love...
Title: Love
Post by: stormwarning on 28/09/2007 09:45:30
Love is a chemical imbalance, that in many cases leads to insanity.
I've had two bouts of this insanity, luckily this was cured by divorce.
There are reports every day in the press about persons causing mayhem,suicide, harm and even murder. When they have had to answer for their crime, It has often been blamed on a chemical imbalance or temporary insanity because they were/are In Love.
I do admire those who find true love and companionship and can endure a long term relationship as my grandparents did and still be IN Love after 60yrs until the day they died.

Can Obsession, Infatuation and emotional self delusion be termed as Love?

Being IN Love and Loving someone are two separate emotions that are sometimes easily confused.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 28/09/2007 11:07:11
Those are very nice posts Titanscape and stormwarning! Thanks for posting in this thread.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 28/09/2007 11:30:08
Those are very nice posts Titanscape and stormwarning! Thanks for posting in this thread.

Si
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 28/09/2007 11:33:41
Hi Ryan!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 28/09/2007 11:38:11
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Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 28/09/2007 11:44:11
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 28/09/2007 11:48:52
LOL!  I knew that was coming.. Congratulations Young man and how is love today?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 28/09/2007 11:50:23
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 28/09/2007 11:51:55
It is friday do you have school Today Young man?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 28/09/2007 11:53:08
Yes I've got school and Practice. But School don't start for another hour.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 28/09/2007 12:28:37
Yes I've got school and Practice. But School don't start for another hour.

OH Yeah, I forgot what time it is it is 4 :30 Am here. LOL
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 28/09/2007 22:38:41
Yeah Karen..haha
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 29/09/2007 03:28:39
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 29/09/2007 03:30:30
Its nice ryan I like to listen and it is wonderful to hear! Thanks for sharing with me..
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 29/09/2007 13:15:20
Yeah I just sort of rambled on last night and didn't make no sence didn't i. haha 
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 29/09/2007 18:28:18
Yeah I just sort of rambled on last night and didn't make no sence didn't i. haha 

Nope not at all. You were great company. It was nice!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 29/09/2007 19:08:18
hehe i sort of liked last night. it was cool.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 29/09/2007 19:43:19
I always enjoy your company Ryan!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 30/09/2007 23:46:49
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 01/10/2007 03:41:49
Nope I am not much into counting things! LOL You have 3050 posts! LOL
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 01/10/2007 14:21:38
And in those ten pages are some posts by me! But they aren't most encouraging for relationships...

Hooray! A fourth of the year! If you lucky, you'll last till three-fourths.

If your very very very
very lucky.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 01/10/2007 14:28:18
Ok then
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 01/10/2007 14:29:10
*sigh* The worst part is going to be telling you I told you so.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 01/10/2007 15:53:01
*sigh* The worst part is going to be telling you I told you so.

Don't be a pessimist thats part of why you are so easy to read sometimes... Smile Ben I loves you too and am glad you have posted in this thread over the past ten Pages also!

 You care about your buddy even though you both protest to much..LOL

How are you??
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 01/10/2007 15:55:24
*sigh* The worst part is going to be telling you I told you so.

It won't be the worst part as you don't need to say a thing...IF and I say IF it happened He would already know!!! He wouldn't need any reminder cause being in love and loosing it is reminder enough everyday that nothing is ever written in stone least not love.
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 01/10/2007 17:47:22
bah i couldn't say it anyway, even I'm not heartless enough to rub a breakup in my friends face.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 01/10/2007 20:39:03
I know your not... Thats why I said you care about your buddy even though you both protest too much! LOL Hugs Ben!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 02/10/2007 00:58:15
Hi Ryan how did it go with your project?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 02/10/2007 01:02:23
IDk
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 02/10/2007 01:07:01
OH Sorry you don't know. How was your day today? Are you doing ok?
Title: Love
Post by: i am bored on 02/10/2007 03:17:21
i think me and Brianna's family has a truce YAY!!!!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 02/10/2007 13:06:50


is Briana your girlfriend nic!
Title: Love
Post by: Hadrian on 02/10/2007 14:25:48
I LUV you all.......................LOL  [::)] [;D] [::)]  [^] [^]
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 02/10/2007 14:33:14
We luv you too Hadrian!
Title: Love
Post by: Hadrian on 02/10/2007 14:34:28
thanks ........... never get to much LUV.........  [:I] [:X] [:I]
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 02/10/2007 14:42:45
I WUV YOU! I WUV YOU! I WUV YOU! Thank you Hadrian very much.. You made my day! Friends are supposed to love each other...

 [:)] [:)] [:X]
Title: Love
Post by: Hadrian on 02/10/2007 14:57:07
LOVE LOVE LOVE  [;D] [;D] [;D]
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 02/10/2007 15:03:20
ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE DO DO DO DO DO

All you need is LOVE.. LOVE..... LOVE IS ALL YOU NEED!
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 02/10/2007 17:47:53
i think me and Brianna's family has a truce YAY!!!!

Scanning sentence. Conclusion: Brianna is his girlfriend.
Title: Love
Post by: Carolyn on 02/10/2007 18:55:23
i think me and Brianna's family has a truce YAY!!!!

Scanning sentence. Conclusion: Brianna is his girlfriend.

I think you'd be right.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 02/10/2007 22:49:15
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 03/10/2007 00:55:17
Well have you planned something fun.. Make her something with your own two hands!Write her a song Ryan!
Title: Love
Post by: i am bored on 03/10/2007 01:57:41


is Briana your girlfriend nic!
yes she is and here she is (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi211.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fbb231%2Fnic_525%2Fbri.jpg&hash=9dd065f7d1d89f1afe0349c371c277c7)
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 03/10/2007 17:57:26
i think me and Brianna's family has a truce YAY!!!!

Scanning sentence. Conclusion: Brianna is his girlfriend.

Der haha.

Karen I might see Kayla on Thursday. God its been forever.

Quit're whining! Sheesh, thursday wasn't so long ago.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 03/10/2007 18:07:19


is Briana your girlfriend nic!
yes she is and here she is (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi211.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fbb231%2Fnic_525%2Fbri.jpg&hash=9dd065f7d1d89f1afe0349c371c277c7)

Nice Nic She is very cute.. beautiful young lady!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 03/10/2007 18:08:41
i think me and Brianna's family has a truce YAY!!!!

Scanning sentence. Conclusion: Brianna is his girlfriend.

Der haha.

Karen I might see Kayla on Thursday. God its been forever.

Quit're whining! Sheesh, thursday wasn't so long ago.

Just a few days..! LOL
Title: Love
Post by: i am bored on 04/10/2007 00:07:10


is Briana your girlfriend nic!
yes she is and here she is (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi211.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fbb231%2Fnic_525%2Fbri.jpg&hash=9dd065f7d1d89f1afe0349c371c277c7)

Nice Nic She is very cute.. beautiful young lady!
thank ewe
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 04/10/2007 17:37:47
...
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 06/10/2007 00:17:35
sure
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/10/2007 02:17:59
Ryan whats up Young man???
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 06/10/2007 13:54:09
Um idk
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/10/2007 13:57:25
Hey Ryan Is there something wrong? Has something happened you sound so down. Are you missing Kayla?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 06/10/2007 13:59:30
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/10/2007 14:05:01
I am sorry! what happened!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 06/10/2007 14:06:44
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/10/2007 14:26:31
Sorry Ryan.. Things will get better .. thats what I am told.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 06/10/2007 14:27:06
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 06/10/2007 23:38:57
Hang tight keep busy make something cool!
Title: Love
Post by: i am bored on 07/10/2007 03:37:52
I'm not going to see Brianna for two weeks shes heading for north Carolina
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 07/10/2007 04:14:48
Vacation??
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 07/10/2007 14:38:01
Hang tight keep busy make something cool!

Like a new video for the sims 2 and/or amazing houses!
Title: Love
Post by: i am bored on 07/10/2007 15:17:59
Vacation??
yup
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 07/10/2007 18:46:22
Hang tight keep busy make something cool!


Like a new video for the sims 2 and/or amazing houses!

Make an amazing house.. I want one! A new one somewhere else!! LOL two story BIG roomy lots of rooms lots of light and Lots of great storage! in the country! Lots of trees ok Ryan!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 07/10/2007 18:46:41
Vacation??
yup

thats nice!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 08/10/2007 11:21:26
haha Karen stop doing that..why not a three or a a four story? its possible lol. ok i'll do that just for karen lol
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 08/10/2007 12:27:34
No more then two Ryan otherwise I get sick... I have a little trouble with heights.. makes me quesy and dizzy and shake in my shoes! LOL
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 08/10/2007 12:32:08
OH yeah and a big pond and an in ground oh natural swimming pool!Pool must look like a lovely place in the woods ferns large boulders ect all around the pool natural look not marbly looking ...Somewhere I have a picture!
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 08/10/2007 17:29:59
*sigh*
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 08/10/2007 17:39:56
Can't you see the bodies burning? Desolate and full of yearning, dying from anticipation, choking from intoxication!

I want you to, from behind us empty walls!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 08/10/2007 19:16:08
Ok this weekend Karen. and yes ben lol its good stuff
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 08/10/2007 20:04:16
Can't you see the bodies burning? Desolate and full of yearning, dying from anticipation, choking from intoxication!

I want you to, from behind us empty walls!

nice lines Ben! Good Job!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 08/10/2007 20:04:38
Ok this weekend Karen. and yes ben lol its good stuff

OK Nice ryan!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 08/10/2007 23:15:15
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 08/10/2007 23:40:18
You always talk about your love for kayla here ..appropriately so!
Title: Love
Post by: kdlynn on 08/10/2007 23:53:14
you talk about kayla just about everywhere... lol
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 08/10/2007 23:56:12
yepperoo!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 09/10/2007 00:20:20
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 09/10/2007 01:38:22
Me too where was that??
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 09/10/2007 01:42:22
Must have been the diary somewhere?
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 09/10/2007 01:47:33
Must have been the diary somewhere?

Well we are both lost together buit at least we had the same dream.. that must be a good sign it really happened! LOL
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 10/10/2007 17:24:51
I'm getting confused. I thought I talked about Kayla in here and everything else everywhere else lol. Oh well. Ben needs a gf lol
hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaano.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 10/10/2007 18:57:19
*smiles*
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 11/10/2007 16:43:20
You just want Jessica off your back.
I feel insulted!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 11/10/2007 18:49:31
Who wants jessica off their back and who is Jessica?? Why are you insulted and who are you talking too!
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 12/10/2007 14:33:26
Ryan and Kayla were going out for two months, when Kayla's friend, Jessica, admitted she liked Ryan.
Needless to say, they friendship of Kayla and Jessica dissolved.
Now Jessica won't leave Ryan alone, sooooo he want me to go out with her to get her off Ryan's back.
I thought we were friends! Am I just here to beat off the OCD's?!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 12/10/2007 14:43:50
Yeah That is not a good idea.. Its best for him to just tell the truth!
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 12/10/2007 17:23:07
*nervous laugh*
About telling the truth? We may have a roadblock.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 12/10/2007 17:24:10
*nervous laugh*
About telling the truth? We may have a roadblock.

Why???
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 12/10/2007 17:25:15
Right, Kraner may or may not have devised an evil scheme that involves lying to Jessica.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 12/10/2007 20:15:47
OH.. I hate lies.. even when they are trying to protect some one you love.. they always back fire!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 13/10/2007 23:50:39
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Post by: kdlynn on 13/10/2007 23:52:10
do you mean except? expect doesn't really fit there...
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 13/10/2007 23:54:38
yeah that's what i meant to say. its close to the same spelling lol
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 14/10/2007 05:05:35
I do that all the time!
Yeah she hates me now..I think..haha..I"m so mean. Anyways! I was with Kayla last night.

But Karen I think i have a problem

I said maybe a total of 20 words to her..and never held her hand or nothing. expect for when i hugged her goodbye. and she says she don't care, but i know she does.

Well what problem is that?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 14/10/2007 14:22:38
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Post by: Karen W. on 14/10/2007 14:53:59
Well you don't want to be just a hug machine! Well I know you do, but aside for that part of physical attraction you need to keep up your mental attraction and always be aware of the other aspects that make up your significant other, girlfriend , friend, or partner. LOL!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 15/10/2007 01:15:47
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Post by: Karen W. on 15/10/2007 01:49:52
yeah i still can't talk..

and

how the hell can people be like that. there is this pesron that i know. and right now. her bf jsut broke up with her..and a few days ago she thought they were just as happy as ever, but they made out and he wnet byebye its ugh

I don't understand that either Ryan..

I have been thinking about that a lot. And there is no way for me to explain that to you. There Just has to be more then just physical attraction and there has to be more then undying love cause  even with all that.. sometimes timing and other circumstances prevent us from holding on to what makes are hearts sing..makes us truly happy.  That is what hurts so deeply when you give your heart and yourself to somebody, and they tell you how much they love you then they just turn it off and I will never understand that and never give my heart to some again ever,, It's too hard for me..  I have done that two times in my life and I won't ever again make it three. I can't take it... It has about destroyed me.

You need to think about fun and lots of good times and laughs.. You are so Young and you and Kayla will go through so much change.. remember how young you are and you both have to grow up too!

Its hard Ryan. I really don't get it either I never will....I am sorry you are feeling the way you are... so sorry..


Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 15/10/2007 01:59:18
I'll reread that cuz my minds just jumping right now
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/10/2007 02:03:00
Sorry Its really not advice.. its just confusion..  thats all.!  I am in a weird spot right now and feeling horrible about relationships.. I don't want one.. I thought I would never see the day that I would ever feel like this.. but by George here I am.. and it is an ugly place to be...
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 15/10/2007 02:03:53
haha..ok..i'm gonna go byeb y
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/10/2007 02:06:15
bye
Title: Love
Post by: i am bored on 15/10/2007 02:06:34
yay briannas home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/10/2007 02:08:53
*smiles*
Title: Love
Post by: Carolyn on 15/10/2007 02:18:14
yay briannas home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

Yippee!!
Title: Love
Post by: kdlynn on 15/10/2007 02:19:56
... already?
Title: Love
Post by: i am bored on 15/10/2007 02:36:48
yupp and i have found sombebody (or sombodies) who have a worse sense of direction than my mom
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/10/2007 02:44:09
Well she not alone in that! LOL!
Title: Love
Post by: i am bored on 15/10/2007 12:07:37
still you and moms combined sense of direction is awesome next to greg and shellys (brianna's parents)
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 15/10/2007 14:35:18
yeah i still can't talk..

and

how the hell can people be like that. there is this pesron that i know. and right now. her bf jsut broke up with her..and a few days ago she thought they were just as happy as ever, but they made out and he wnet byebye its ugh
Right, still don't understand a single word.
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Post by: Simulated on 15/10/2007 16:39:32
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Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 15/10/2007 16:40:45
Oh i understand now, yeah, sometimes that happens to me to
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/10/2007 17:36:33
still you and moms combined sense of direction is awesome next to greg and shellys (brianna's parents)

That is sweet of you to say but you have never met me.. and I get turned around in my own house! LOL
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/10/2007 17:45:05
yeah i still can't talk..

and

how the hell can people be like that. there is this pesron that i know. and right now. her bf jsut broke up with her..and a few days ago she thought they were just as happy as ever, but they made out and he wnet byebye its ugh

I don't understand that either Ryan..

I have been thinking about that a lot. And there is no way for me to explain that to you. There Just has to be more then just physical attraction and there has to be more then undying love cause  even with all that.. sometimes timing and other circumstances prevent us from holding on to what makes are hearts sing..makes us truly happy.  That is what hurts so deeply when you give your heart and yourself to somebody, and they tell you how much they love you then they just turn it off and I will never understand that and never give my heart to some again ever,, It's too hard for me..  I have done that two times in my life and I won't ever again make it three. I can't take it... It has about destroyed me.

You need to think about fun and lots of good times and laughs.. You are so Young and you and Kayla will go through so much change.. remember how young you are and you both have to grow up too!

Its hard Ryan. I really don't get it either I never will....I am sorry you are feeling the way you are... so sorry..




Well, whever I'm with people I sometimes know what to say, but then I have to say oh what if it don't go the way I want it to. And sometimes I don't know what to say..Its just ugh

Sounds like your worring about your "what if thoughts" I know lots of people who do that who say they live in the "DAY" never worring about "what if's"

I do not understand people like that as they really do not face reality! just saying that they take things one day at a time and not think abouty what might happen, is so not true, Their actions speak louder then their words. These are people who have tons of plans things set out ahead of them expectations.. (as we all do) It is just impossible to not think about those things but what is more important is that we don't overreact to things that have not even happened yet or may never happen. Oh nevermind I am rambling nonsense today!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 15/10/2007 23:03:29
Nah its fine..
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/10/2007 23:04:52
How was school today?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 15/10/2007 23:07:41
Oh I think it went rather well
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/10/2007 23:09:45
good I am glad... how is your dinner have you eat?? LOL I am starving have eaten nothing all day and my tummy is hungry but feels sick every time I smell the food.. Oh well.. I wish they would adjust meds.. maybe tomorrow..
What are you doing tomorrow?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 15/10/2007 23:13:35
yeah i have..pizza its purdy good..oh well eat..and more of what i did today
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/10/2007 23:15:40
what else did you do?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 15/10/2007 23:17:40
Um nothing much at all actually
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/10/2007 23:19:14
Wanna go on a trip?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 15/10/2007 23:23:10
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/10/2007 23:33:37
Where would you go if you could go somewhere?
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 15/10/2007 23:44:51
I want to go somewhere but I don't care where anymore.. I just want to go...maybe very soon.. very soon..
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 16/10/2007 00:45:47
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 16/10/2007 00:47:46
yeah. i understand
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 16/10/2007 00:48:31
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 16/10/2007 00:49:21
i know
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 16/10/2007 00:50:51
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 16/10/2007 00:51:53
oh.nice
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 16/10/2007 00:54:09
Yup
well
i'm
going
to
get
going
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 16/10/2007 00:55:01
ok
goodbye
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 16/10/2007 23:22:06
Yeah I'm back
Title: Love
Post by: Hadrian on 16/10/2007 23:24:12
thanks  [^] [^] [^] [^]
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 16/10/2007 23:27:27
Um what am I missing here?
Title: Love
Post by: Hadrian on 16/10/2007 23:31:46
me of course silly .........................LOL  [;D]
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 17/10/2007 00:14:35
Yeah I'm back

Nice to see you Ryan!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 17/10/2007 00:15:15
thanks  [^] [^] [^] [^]

Nice to see you back to Hadrian! LOL!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 17/10/2007 00:15:49
me of course silly .........................LOL  [;D]

Yes your right we miss you A lot!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 17/10/2007 00:33:38
me of course silly .........................LOL  [;D]

Um ok haha
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 17/10/2007 00:34:22
Your back!!!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 17/10/2007 00:35:19
Yup
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 17/10/2007 00:37:51
YAYYYYYYYYYYY!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 17/10/2007 00:38:25
hahah
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 17/10/2007 00:39:36
What did you do today?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 17/10/2007 00:41:01
I went to school what else does a 14 year old do lol..homeowkr an then sat here
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 17/10/2007 00:42:23
Ok...Sorry. Thought maybe you did something else too.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 17/10/2007 00:44:02
haha no i really didn't have no time
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 17/10/2007 00:47:03
Thats too bad.. I stopped in town on the way home at the art store for some painting canvases! I also stopped and bought some groceries.. and a few christmas presents.. wore my butt out! LOL!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 17/10/2007 00:48:05
haha CHIRSTMAS!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 17/10/2007 00:49:42
Yes Christmas is only a 9 weeks away as the crow flies!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 17/10/2007 00:50:32
really?
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 17/10/2007 00:52:47
YEPPEROO!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 17/10/2007 12:04:06
That's Crazy.

Karen do you a station named WGN?
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 18/10/2007 01:59:15
That's Crazy.

Karen do you a station named WGN?

Used to with the satelite dish, but it isn't hooked up right now as the bonehead weed eater person cut it in half with the weed eater! LOL
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 18/10/2007 12:16:28
Oh. Well get it up and running for thanksgiving! Cuz I'm gonna be on it! Lol. Well I might be. Our band is going to chicago to march in their parade. And it'll be on that station. I ain't sure if we will be on there though.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 18/10/2007 14:14:44
Thats very cool Ryan! I will try to get it back up!
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 18/10/2007 16:37:11
Oh. Well get it up and running for thanksgiving! Cuz I'm gonna be on it! Lol. Well I might be. Our band is going to chicago to march in their parade. And it'll be on that station. I ain't sure if we will be on there though.
You gots plenty of time.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 18/10/2007 16:43:52
A month and a few days..
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 18/10/2007 16:44:41
Like i said
The e/spans will not rule! I still stand against it!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 18/10/2007 16:52:53
So a month and 1/2 boys? I hope it all works out great!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 18/10/2007 22:22:25
Yep Yup
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 19/10/2007 01:34:46
Well that should be fun!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 19/10/2007 01:39:18
Yeah! He'll be right becide me lol me in the tenor sax and him in the bass clarinet..
maybe or the row in front of me
lol
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 19/10/2007 01:40:44
Good you boys will have lots of fun!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 19/10/2007 01:42:25
Yep I know
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 19/10/2007 02:06:52
Let me know the lineup!
Title: Love
Post by: Mirage on 19/10/2007 02:28:59
I love lamp
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 19/10/2007 03:02:14
You love lamp! uh OH!! lol!
Title: Love
Post by: Carolyn on 19/10/2007 03:46:01
I love Benjamin.
Title: Love
Post by: Mirage on 19/10/2007 03:47:49
Franklin!!
Title: Love
Post by: Carolyn on 19/10/2007 03:50:43
Franklin!!

Nope, not that one.  This one's much cuter.  He's a real animal!
Title: Love
Post by: Mirage on 19/10/2007 03:52:58
A little woofer is   it!
Title: Love
Post by: Carolyn on 19/10/2007 04:01:03
A little woofer is   it!

Yep...he's my boy.  I just luff him soooo much.  He's injured right now.  He fought for my honor yesterday and got hurt.
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 19/10/2007 14:29:28
Nngh! Out from me demon! I will cleanse you with the healing waters!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 19/10/2007 18:09:22
Nice....
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 19/10/2007 21:24:29
Let me know the lineup!

Will do
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 19/10/2007 22:25:57
Good deal Ryan!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 19/10/2007 22:26:57
um hum
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 28/10/2007 02:30:28
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Post by: Karen W. on 28/10/2007 17:08:10
HI Ryan. Sounds like you had a terrific time.. I am glad you and Bob enjoyed your evening and I hope things were very nice!

I am sorr y about this person Smokey. It is a silly childish thing when someone starts insulting someone because their phuysical anatomy may be different from their own. Sorry I was in that department for years!!

Hey Karen... when is that watermelon gonna be ripe!

 Hey lead bottoms here clear a path!...Watch out it might rub off.. don't touch her!

 OH GAWWWWWWD it used to make me crazy.. Then their were the ones who were only concerned because they cared and wanted you healthy.. but they felt the need to grind it in as if you did not know you were fat! LOL...over and over and over....

Ryan there are a lot of adults even till out there that like to make comments about fat people or people with different bodies or characteristics then themselves and it makes me sick to be around them.... Their jokes are crud and their humor stinks... but they claim they are only laughing with you not at you... and yet it is not them that is crying... It's unusually the other person who may look as though they are laughing but they're not.. down inside they are hurting and crying...

Anyway sorry for your friend. Wish people were nicer to him.

Glad your day was great! *smiles*
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 28/10/2007 22:10:35
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Post by: Karen W. on 28/10/2007 23:01:03
Part to clarified things that sounds terrible.. I hate racism and racial remarks from anyone! I am sorry that there was a fight..

 I am sorry thats how your time had to be shared..

Well you two have fun this week too!
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Post by: Simulated on 29/10/2007 00:03:44
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Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 29/10/2007 16:45:44
Hehe. Yeah and for some reason I miss her so much. LoL.
Can't imagine why.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 29/10/2007 17:35:36
*smiles*
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 31/10/2007 22:06:39
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Post by: Karen W. on 31/10/2007 23:57:05
I am sorry she got hurt Ryan... I hope that she heals quickly! It took my shiner a while to heal, but you can't see it at all now. Sorry she had to have stitches. And you are right she will always be pretty because you look at her inside not just at her shell.  You see her inner beauty! That is great!

I hope things go good for you both. Bob sounds like a tough little cookie! *smiles* Hugs Ryan!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 01/11/2007 12:44:52
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Post by: Karen W. on 01/11/2007 20:45:57
You are so funny! Just make sure you go easy.. Those bruises and things make us feel icky regardless of what you guys say! LOL It's a girl thing sometimes.. LOL

Hope your weekend is good!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 01/11/2007 21:41:46
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Post by: Karen W. on 01/11/2007 23:29:55
OH I Am sorry, all will be well! It will be alright! Sounds like you might be too, Have you finished your painting yet or did you get it started!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 01/11/2007 23:43:34
Painting? haha.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 02/11/2007 00:19:09
You said you had to help with some painting on thursday and friday.. something like that! Was you wasn't it?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 02/11/2007 23:18:20
I don't recall.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 03/11/2007 00:42:45
OHHHH Okie dokie! LOL a bit pre-occupied eh??? LOL
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 03/11/2007 01:36:17
Idk. But i did say Eh alot today
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 03/11/2007 04:25:13
LOL some days we do that. I don't mean that phrase necessarily, but you know.. We will repeat something or another several times!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 03/11/2007 18:49:16
haha. yeah's
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 03/11/2007 19:28:56
You sound so happy today.. I am glad you sound happy!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 03/11/2007 20:26:07
Oh well i just feel terrible now. I did make 10 bucks though
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 04/11/2007 07:15:03
Oh well i just feel terrible now. I did make 10 bucks though

Whats wrong I though all was well!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 04/11/2007 13:06:28
Nah. My back is hurting. To much wood. Atleast today is going to be easy. We've got 3/4 a truckload ready to be loaded and about 4 tall trees that we down/we cut down to make the path that are really nice..
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 04/11/2007 19:27:23
I am sorry your back is hurting. I know how you feel mine too the last few days, but I have no excuse it just started hurting.LOL

 Sounds like a lot of wood. I still have 8 or ten 25 foot trees about two foot in diameter lying in my yard... waiting to be cut up into fire wood!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 04/11/2007 21:24:49
Haha just give me a few I'll get some picutres on here.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 04/11/2007 21:41:03
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2 racks. 18 foot each. Front one ain't so full cuz its not very good stacking wood and dad don't want it to fall on a dog

(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi155.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs319%2FKraneDiggity%2FPICT1980.jpg&hash=e6cd14a3296e083e10e49b10e1edbfac)

(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi155.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs319%2FKraneDiggity%2FPICT1979.jpg&hash=9cf8081a42e1316f371d9a0d1fa6bd61)

Dog it would fall on :P :)

(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi155.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs319%2FKraneDiggity%2FPICT1977.jpg&hash=1849837bb34731d508faf98bdeaa2343)

6 foot tall by 20 rack. Lots of wood.

Plus we have some in the garden which is behind that rack.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/11/2007 00:20:51
nice wood!..cute whittle doggie.. whats his name?
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 05/11/2007 17:22:24
Her name is Ember.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/11/2007 18:03:06
Ember is a cute name and a cute doggie!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 05/11/2007 22:13:39
No ben that's her moms name. That's lilly. but most the time we cna't tells the differece too
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/11/2007 22:25:35
Well Lilly is cute!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 05/11/2007 22:52:36
They both are
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/11/2007 23:08:33
Yes thats what it sounds like and looks like.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 05/11/2007 23:18:50
Haha yuppers
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/11/2007 23:25:19
YUPPERS.....! YAYYYYYYY i like that!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 05/11/2007 23:27:37
Yeah its killiing me
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/11/2007 23:34:44
What is killing you?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 05/11/2007 23:39:55
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/11/2007 23:42:29
I know how that feels.. I am sorry that is so hard! Sorry I made you sad..
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 05/11/2007 23:44:11
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 05/11/2007 23:45:32
Sounds like a full schedule
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 06/11/2007 17:37:49
Not being with Kayla. Its been A week and 2 days, but it feels like forever. Even with us talking on the computer. It don't even make a dent. I'd give anything for a few hours to sit there with here cuddling, nudging, wispering cute funny stuff in here ear. Oh man how i miss her face, voice, and touch. its so ughness
I think I'm coming down with your flu. Oh wait, no I'm not...than what could possibly be making feel like vomiting?

Ha ha, just kiddin ya kraner. I'm sure I would know what you were talking about if any girls even looked at me.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 06/11/2007 21:29:21
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Post by: kdlynn on 07/11/2007 02:55:17
ben... talk to girls. they usually talk back. girls are just shy. especially around your age.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 07/11/2007 12:20:03
Sorry to change that Kadie, but

Ben talk to them like a normal guy. DOn't make them think you are loopy. not loppy loopy. haha.
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 07/11/2007 17:53:15
ben... talk to girls. they usually talk back. girls are just shy. especially around your age.
The equivalent super power of being able to talk to girls is stopping time.
Sorry to change that Kadie, butss

Ben talk to them like a normal guy. DOn't make them think you are loopy. not loppy loopy. haha.
If the playground incident didn't happen, then I would have been invisable for the whole night.
Yeah ok ben.

And yeah

They look at you all the time. Some say oh he's messed up, some say he's cute, some say they wanna be with him. and they just don't know how to says it to yhou.
98% say, he's messed up though. 1% say they "wanna be with him."
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 07/11/2007 18:42:20
Ben.. You are young and If I were you I would not worry to much about how girls behave at this age. You are a very nice young man and when its right the right girl will come along and you will know it and things will be fine. Just talk to girls the same way you do anyone else... And when it is right she will find you or you will find her.. I have found it more true that the right one comes along when you least are expecting it or looking for it. Don't worry... All will be good .. YOU ARE A TERRIFIC YOUNG MAN!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 07/11/2007 21:52:20
yup
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 08/11/2007 02:04:07
*smiles* Hi Ryan!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 08/11/2007 12:34:57
Hello Karen
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 08/11/2007 12:37:07
HEE HEE HEE HEE LOL! Hi Ryan Glad to see you!
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 08/11/2007 17:28:30
Hello Karen
Quote
yup
Ryan kraner. The man of many words
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 08/11/2007 19:24:56
Hello Ben. How are you doing? Was school good today?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 08/11/2007 21:23:03
Yeah it was alright. I conversed with people in the morning. It was purdy cool? lol
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 08/11/2007 21:23:58
LOL yes you did! LOL!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 08/11/2007 21:27:34
Yeah just started saying Hello Good Morning how are you to random people pudry great
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 08/11/2007 21:31:33
Yes it is! especially when people are nice back!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 08/11/2007 21:32:53
Yup they all weres
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 08/11/2007 21:35:16
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Post by: Karen W. on 08/11/2007 21:35:55
Very nice... That makes ones day better! And feels good to be happy despite other things.. Yayyyyyyyy for you!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 08/11/2007 21:41:00
How well does a realationship work if you talk over the computer and get together and talk just enough and do all the other parts of the realtionship?

Well I have had friends and relatives that started mailing each other snail mail, then on line then they met and they have been together for over twenty years now and have 5 children and are the happiest couple I have ever met.. this I know has happened several times with people I know and all the relationships are now over 15 years.. They tell me They took the time to understand the person first and got to know them inside before they met them physically and they said that they have never experienced anything like it before, and most all had been in previous relations that did not work or were failing at the time they met their now permanent partners..
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 08/11/2007 21:43:03
Oh i think i see
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 08/11/2007 21:46:09
I personally know no one's who's relationship experience sucked! So far and I know around 6 couples now.. they have done fantastically! My cousin is extremely happy and as are the others.. every relationship has problems Ryan but if you fall in love with the person and know what they are like inside , then the physical things seem to work them selves right in... I think when two people love each other they do things to please the other because it then benefits both in the relationship! being loved, supported snuggled and wonderfully happy is an amazing thing!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 09/11/2007 00:35:52
Yah Yah Yah. I see.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 09/11/2007 02:14:22
sorry night Ryan..
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 09/11/2007 12:34:23
It wasn't a sorry night. It was a good one haha
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 10/11/2007 21:29:23
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Post by: Karen W. on 10/11/2007 21:45:19
nice have fun.. enjoy your time....
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 10/11/2007 22:09:42
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Post by: Karen W. on 10/11/2007 22:51:08
Good, I am glad you will be nice gentleman... I have no doubts!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 10/11/2007 22:58:35
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Post by: Karen W. on 10/11/2007 23:11:51
Good.. I hope you have fun.. Ryan have a great weekend if I don't see ya! OK!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 10/11/2007 23:12:51
ok!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 11/11/2007 12:53:07
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Post by: Karen W. on 11/11/2007 21:25:33
Cool, I just saw transformers My son Brought it home.. It was well done! I have an old bumble bee in my trailer full of kids toys! LOL
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 11/11/2007 22:42:41
Haha. It was a great movie. I liked it!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 12/11/2007 00:09:32
Yes it was well made.. LOL.. some cool effects!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 12/11/2007 00:12:19
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Post by: Karen W. on 12/11/2007 00:14:03
Cool.. it was pretty cool watching them transform... The semi was good too1
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 12/11/2007 00:16:39
Semi! Yeah I loved when she insulted the car and he went and changed into the new camaro. Sexy!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 12/11/2007 00:30:13
Yeah that was cool.. The camaro was the first car I test drove as a teenager for my first car purchase! It was sexy and luffly! LOL!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 12/11/2007 00:31:21
Yeah i've got on in the drive way! You've seen a pictre
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 12/11/2007 00:36:04
Yes I remember the picture! a nice car!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 12/11/2007 00:38:54
Very very!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 12/11/2007 00:55:22
Cool!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 12/11/2007 01:09:23
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 12/11/2007 01:47:32
I am so glad you are smiling and happy!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 12/11/2007 12:23:20
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Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 12/11/2007 14:29:47
Transformers was a good moive. And Kayla and I had fun. Nothing wrong, atleast I don't think that was wrong?. And her hair smelt good! And I'm wearing the shirt I was wearing last night when she was leaning on me. Smells good! haha

To bad you coudln't have been there Ben. I tried calling and IMing you, but you just woudln't answer.
Yeah, I was stuck at Wiltsy's. *sigh*
Glad you had fun though.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 12/11/2007 21:59:56
Its ok BEn
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 13/11/2007 02:13:42
Yeah yeah I do... I am glad for you!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 13/11/2007 12:08:12
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Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 13/11/2007 17:28:02
:) Me love her!!
Really? Gee, never noticed before.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 13/11/2007 19:51:05
:) Me love her!!

Yep I know you do!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 14/11/2007 00:33:02
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 14/11/2007 00:44:17
Hugs You Ryan and sends big smiles to you!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 14/11/2007 00:45:28
Yup Yup Yup
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 14/11/2007 00:48:05
Smiles..HEE HEE HEE!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 21/02/2008 01:58:24
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 21/02/2008 02:01:41
Oh Ryan... I wish so too sometimes we all wish that. Life is weird how things change!
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 21/02/2008 17:27:22
Transformers was a good moive. And Kayla and I had fun. Nothing wrong, atleast I don't think that was wrong?. And her hair smelt good! And I'm wearing the shirt I was wearing last night when she was leaning on me. Smells good! haha

To bad you coudln't have been there Ben. I tried calling and IMing you, but you just woudln't answer.

Ugh why can't thinks be like they were back then?
No sweat man, she's probably out on her balcony saying
"Kraner, kraner. Where art thou kraner?"
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 24/03/2008 19:41:28
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 24/03/2008 21:08:46
OH I love hearing your enthusiasm. Thats great! Just a bit more!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 24/03/2008 22:18:52
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 25/03/2008 00:38:13
you will make it! The summer will be good or you!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 25/03/2008 01:55:45
Yeah. I sure hope so.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 25/03/2008 04:52:47
Me too Ryan.. I am hoping summer will go on forever this year!
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 25/03/2008 15:41:07
Hooray for summer.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 25/03/2008 16:57:32
I second that!
Title: Love
Post by: iko on 25/03/2008 17:16:43
Hooray for summer.

We all seem to crave for some anti-depression vitamin D!
(...the sunlight vitamin!)

Cheers,

ikoD

(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpojogo.com%2Fattachments%2F275-11_2006-12-21_15-08-22_Marine_iguana-0640.jpg&hash=4d6908c24e5e2c2fd771ea38c3098659)


http://www.vitamindcouncil.org

Title: Love
Post by: Carolyn on 26/03/2008 01:52:19
YAYYY.  Next week I'll be spending lots of time at the beach!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 26/03/2008 02:14:01
Hooray for summer.

We all seem to crave for some anti-depression vitamin D!
(...the sunlight vitamin!)

Cheers,

ikoD

(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpojogo.com%2Fattachments%2F275-11_2006-12-21_15-08-22_Marine_iguana-0640.jpg&hash=4d6908c24e5e2c2fd771ea38c3098659)


http://www.vitamindcouncil.org



Yes we do!!

Hey Iko is that a sand dino or a rock...
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 26/03/2008 02:15:01
YAYYY.  Next week I'll be spending lots of time at the beach!

Hope you have tons of fun!
Title: Love
Post by: Carolyn on 26/03/2008 02:25:47
Thanks.  I live at the beach but rarely go.  Two of mycousins are coming in town for spring break, one of which used to be my roommate and introduced me to my husband....but....I forgive her and still love her. [;)]
Title: Love
Post by: i am bored on 26/03/2008 03:54:11
all i do during the summer is go to Josh's, talk on the phone, go to karate, eat, and then have an all night gaming session. i dont go to the beach often because mom is scared that i will be caught up in rip currents, eaten by sharks, stung by jellyfish, that kind of stuff.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 26/03/2008 08:03:43
use your common since at tbhe beacch,, exercise caution and don,t turn your back without being aware.... The beach is awsome and deserves a great eal of respect!
Title: Love
Post by: iko on 26/03/2008 18:07:14
Hooray for summer.

We all seem to crave for some anti-depression vitamin D!
(...the sunlight vitamin!)

Cheers,

ikoD

(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpojogo.com%2Fattachments%2F275-11_2006-12-21_15-08-22_Marine_iguana-0640.jpg&hash=4d6908c24e5e2c2fd771ea38c3098659)


http://www.vitamindcouncil.org



Yes we do!!

Hey Iko is that a sand dino or a rock...

Hi Karen,
(howyoudoin'?)

http://pojogo.com/attachments/275-11_2006-12-21_15-08-22_Marine_iguana-0640.jpg

the beachy beast should be an iguana,
a sunlight-bound tropical reptile...
750000 imported to USA, most vitamin D
deficient! (see Michael Holick video)

ikoD

Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 26/03/2008 20:12:55
Well I can't get the job cuz you needa be 16.

So?
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 26/03/2008 21:23:05
Hooray for summer.

We all seem to crave for some anti-depression vitamin D!
(...the sunlight vitamin!)

Cheers,

ikoD

(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpojogo.com%2Fattachments%2F275-11_2006-12-21_15-08-22_Marine_iguana-0640.jpg&hash=4d6908c24e5e2c2fd771ea38c3098659)


http://www.vitamindcouncil.org



Yes we do!!

Hey Iko is that a sand dino or a rock...

Hi Karen,
(howyoudoin'?)

http://pojogo.com/attachments/275-11_2006-12-21_15-08-22_Marine_iguana-0640.jpg

the beachy beast should be an iguana,
a sunlight-bound tropical reptile...
750000 imported to USA, most vitamin D
deficient! (see Michael Holick video)

ikoD



hi Iko. I am still coughing my head off....more when i sit or lay on my left side.. i feel fine then the coughing begins and
i cough up lots of icky stuff...accompanpanied by pain in my lung areas when beathing in and out especially bad when coughing.

the coughing is so rough I get dizzy,, have only had ne bout with passing out since he stopped one of the meds.. was causing too low of blood pressure... so so far so good since then in that department.

Still have the nausea but no vomiting... mosatly dry heaves.... have some energy but upon exertion it drops rapidly and I get sick.. if I push it.
 anyway.. the iguana is cool... I will check the video out on the big screen today.. thanks ...for
the links!
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 26/03/2008 21:31:07
Well I can't get the job cuz you needa be 16.

So?

what about a paper route.... that was something my kids and I did for awhile because of the age difference....

I am sorry that you can't get the job you had wanted... maybe some yardwork or regular aintenience for a couple homes.. yard wise..line up two or three aweek so you cut or mow  on a diffewrent day sobyou have a steady flow of income for the week or the month..
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 26/03/2008 21:32:30
I live out tin the middleof no where. Ha.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 26/03/2008 21:57:06
So that means not much hance of work close by eh?  Sorry... where were you going to ride to work before? is there something else you can do ib that area?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 26/03/2008 22:24:58
8 miles to the school.

I might be able to clean my mothers work, if this replacement of hers doesn't want to do it anymore. 50 bucks every 6 weeks. :)
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 27/03/2008 01:53:45
Every six weeks... you should get that every few days or is it a weekly job and only a couple hours?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 27/03/2008 01:54:19
I only clean for 3=4 hours every six weeks
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 27/03/2008 01:57:53
Oh so thats pretty good pay!
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 27/03/2008 10:36:58
Yes. But the job is taken, for now.
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 27/03/2008 12:15:26
Kraner must love to work if he's posting about jobs in the Love topic.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 27/03/2008 13:30:34
He needs a job for spending money.. for movies etc.. Wooing can be a big expense sometimes.....! LOL..
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 27/03/2008 21:13:33
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Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 27/03/2008 21:57:10
Yep every young person needs a little pocket money.. we all worked as kids.. I started at age 10. Babysitting and yard work picking berries we harvested and maintained yearly.. I worked 7 days a week year round..every other day in the summer as far as the berries..Made 300.00 on the weekends on the berries and had customers clear into Oregon  who would come down and park with their RV's and can their berries in the driveway fresh out of the garden.. so they could take them home across the border!LOL It was canned then and legal no longer fresh..

I babysit 5 days a week for 8 hours a night after school starting at 10 years old. I took care of three little girls while both parents worked as cooks at a big Ramada inn.
They were good kids... I always had pocket money but had to buy my own school clothes and extras like records snacks.. stuff that was not a necessity.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 27/03/2008 21:58:28


You have given her a lot.. but their is nothing wrong with wanting to go to a movie or things like that on occasion.. Its cool.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 27/03/2008 22:07:58
Yeah I've onlye got like 1,200 in the bank and like um 50 in my room?

yup
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 27/03/2008 22:11:30
Yeah I've onlye got like 1,200 in the bank and like um 50 in my room?

yup

Your doing fine! LOL!

Hey Ryan.. do you want to go to college, and if so where?
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 27/03/2008 23:04:26
Karen view my list
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 27/03/2008 23:57:02
OH Yeah I did view it and forgot....LOL..
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 28/03/2008 12:53:29
Yeah I haven't got her anything sides my bear, a card, and myy love :), and a few of my problems..ha, but she gives me her love and her problems also ha so its all good.

And yeah I just need work?
That's what relationships are made of...problems! Kidding, they're made of bears.
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 28/03/2008 16:33:22
Bear Hugs! *smiles*
Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 28/03/2008 16:36:51
Bear Hugs! *smiles*
Sure, okay.
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 28/03/2008 20:52:02
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Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 20/09/2008 03:37:24
Heyy Karen, If you can anytime can you go back and do like I did and edit out the quotes like you did that last time.. thanks very much
Title: Love
Post by: Karen W. on 21/09/2008 09:51:40
I removed quotes that were referred to your deletes..
Title: Love
Post by: Simulated on 21/09/2008 13:23:42
Thanks very much Karen. :) Huggs ha
Just wondering but could you do bens quotes also?
Title: Love
Post by: thelastman on 21/09/2008 14:54:28
Hello everyone.  I think there is a mechanics of love.  All brain functions are mechanical in terms of neural assemblies, neurotransmitters, synapses, emergence, and dynamics.  We just don't know the dynamics yet.  I'm confident though that when someone feels love, distinct and similar neural patterns emerge and a definite "love state" begins to form in the brain.  I wouldn't be surprised if this state is a "standard" organization in the human brain shared by humans in general and would one day be replicated or simulated without external stimuli (like Total Recall).  The same could be said about every other human mental exercise; we just don't like to think of it that way.  It's still though all a matter of biology and chemistry, dynamics, and emergence. 

I believe one day we will be able to describe love mathematically in terms of the neural dynamics that accompany it.

Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 23/09/2008 14:18:03
This thread just can't stay off the front page can it?
Title: Love
Post by: Don_1 on 23/09/2008 14:39:48
Love is an acronym

Location
Of
Volcanic
Enema

Title: Love
Post by: Nobody's Confidant on 24/09/2008 14:19:09
SAtAlItE hAckErs!!1!!1!!!1