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I with Caroline agree about stricter gun control and I certainly would not want them banned
"Hunting which involves killing for food I have nothing against"Maybe lost in the woods or something, we all need to survive. I think humans have come a looonng way since the time when hunting an animal was a necessity for survival but since then that necessity has definitely been eradicated. At least in the western societies with a super market with yummy veggie alternatives on nearly every corner. If you're going out killing animals only to satisfy your pallet I've no sympathy for you. There's almost definitely no more need for it.
If you're up for stricter gun control why don't you want guns to be banned? As you said, it's the person who was allowed to hold the gun who's doing the shooting. Is there a good reason to have guns like? If someone says hunting I don't like them.
Quote from: Karen W. on 19/07/2007 01:22:36I with Caroline agree about stricter gun control and I certainly would not want them banned If you're up for stricter gun control why don't you want guns to be banned? As you said, it's the person who was allowed to hold the gun who's doing the shooting. Is there a good reason to have guns like? If someone says hunting I don't like them.
I, and many others, will not thank you at all for forcing us all to become vegetarians (it may suite you, but many others not so)
Many domestic animals have only survived because they had economic value to humans (often as food value), and their wild cousins have in the meantime perished
If we lose the hunters, then we will also lose the game keepers that manage the species (or else we shall have to pay for those game keepers out of our taxes).
..We are not all vegetarians
..I also know what it is like not to have money to go to those markets for even vegetables so I know we are not all in the same boat money wise a lot of people here rely on hunting and meager income to be able to eat and feed their families.
And last but not least, hunting. I grew up in a hunting family, married a hunter, and my children love to hunt.
Yes, we can buy meat in the grocery store, but not venison. .
Sorry if this means you don't like me.
I typed out a massive reply to this and accidently lost it all earlier today so this is going to seem kind of half hearted
Did I force anyone to be a veg? I've read my post twice now and I don't see it.
Sorry guys if I'm coming off in a kind of holier than thou attitude. Vegitarianism is something I feel very strong about and the means of nutrition alot of people really makes me sick.
If you're going out killing animals only to satisfy your pallet I've no sympathy for you. There's almost definitely no more need for it.
Quote from: another_someone on 19/07/2007 01:56:11Many domestic animals have only survived because they had economic value to humans (often as food value), and their wild cousins have in the meantime perishedWhat animals are these and why would they have perished had they not been hunted?
Quote from: another_someone on 19/07/2007 01:56:11If we lose the hunters, then we will also lose the game keepers that manage the species (or else we shall have to pay for those game keepers out of our taxes).What kind of argument is that? Lets keep hunting for the sake of the gamekeepers? There's other jobs out there you know. For example, many dairy farmers are switching to oil seed rape for the fuel industry whcih I've heard is pretty profitable. There's worse things for your tax to go to like. I'd gladly pay more if I thought it would cripple the meat industry.
Many animals, such as pheasants, partridges, dear, are semi domesticated, insofar as there are people spending significant amounts of time and money to maintain the populations of these animals in order to keep them available to hunters. If we lose the hunters, then we will also lose the game keepers that manage the species (or else we shall have to pay for those game keepers out of our taxes).
Quote from: Karen w on 19/07/2007 01:56:11..I also know what it is like not to have money to go to those markets for even vegetables so I know we are not all in the same boat money wise a lot of people here rely on hunting and meager income to be able to eat and feed their families. Yeah, what your saying is some people have to eat meat. I'd be really surprised if many here were in that sort of poverty to be honest. A veggie diet hardly breaks the bank. Look at all the drop outs and crusty punks living in squats who live on vegan diets. I agree that eating meat out of necessity is fine, how could it not be, but nowdays that necessity hardly exists
I was going to type more but I've to catch a train. I'm going to a party tonight whoooo
I choose the food I eat because I like it
There is nothing wrong with eating meat!
You certainly can choose for your self without criticism
Also, mods, is it ok to continue the veggie discussion in this thread?
Quote from: Karen W. on 19/07/2007 20:15:33 I choose the food I eat because I like it Good for you. Are you totally apathetic about everything or is it just animal's lives you don't care about?Quote from: Karen W. on 19/07/2007 20:15:33There is nothing wrong with eating meat!Do you know how meat is processed? Look it up. If you already knew and you still think there's nothing wrong, then is it that you think animals are inferior to you or something? Are you aware that animals go through great anxiety and suffering to make it to your plate? I would like to avoid moralising as much as I can so I'll just say that it's pretty important to look at your life and how you live it. Like what causes are due to your actions. Where do your responsibilities come from you know. For example, someone might decide not to buy coca cola, McDonalds or Starbucks products because they find the actions of those corporation to be un ethical. I honestly don't see how the actions of any of the meat corporations are even slightly ethical.