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Title: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 09/01/2019 12:46:47
Is that why politics likes to keep all the best scientific ideas under wraps?


In history, its usually the religious factions that kept a hold on science.... right?
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 09/01/2019 12:56:19
Is that why politics likes to keep all the best scientific ideas under wraps?
Like what?
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 09/01/2019 12:58:44
Like the obvious. Stealth technology. Is the world a game of faith or a way to prove Disneyland right?
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 09/01/2019 13:00:38
When I say Disneyland, I refer to our tendency to agree with the storyline of something the church is not involved in.
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 09/01/2019 13:03:51
None of that made much sense.
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 09/01/2019 13:09:40
If Science can do A + B = C, and there's a lot of equations there over time, yet most of us don't have the time to do that math because we're mom and dad "capitalists" who don't need to know how everything works..... no one wants to be made a fool of, right?


How good is your grip on science compared to everything else?
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 09/01/2019 13:19:26
I get paid to do science.
None of what you have posted makes much sense.
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 09/01/2019 13:25:12
You've given your own game away.

What makes sense to you is what you get paid for.

Anything I say is going to destroy that, because I'm not your employer right now.

What I say though shouldn't be "that bad".....yet an idea to consider.....

It seems to me you are at the verge of "all or nothing"?
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 09/01/2019 13:26:58
If science theory isn't all or nothing, what is it doing?


As an independent theorist, who funds his own research, you have to be all-in....after many failures....
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 09/01/2019 13:56:45
None of that made much sense.

Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 09/01/2019 14:06:13
Being true to the topic, are we being political? No. Are we being a step ahead? No. So your answer is no? Somehow I think you're more interested in "yes", right?
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 09/01/2019 14:08:35
I'm trying to walk again after years of abuse on my ankles:




My point is, science is a process, a means to an end that has to be deinfed as a "prize" that makes it worthwhile.....otherwise, why?
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: Kryptid on 09/01/2019 16:51:44
Bored Chemist is right, your sentences are difficult to understand. This seems to be a chronic problem. You should try to word them more carefully.

Stealth technology was kept a secret because of the military advantage it provided.
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 11/01/2019 07:32:43
Bored Chemist is right, your sentences are difficult to understand. This seems to be a chronic problem. You should try to word them more carefully.

Stealth technology was kept a secret because of the military advantage it provided.


Posting a question as a "new theory" is an oxymoron on its own....if its a new theory, as a question there's a lot of uncertainty on two fronts.


My point is, and you made it well also, if the cutting edge of science is in fact related to stealth technology, how easy is it to speak about cutting edge science?
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 11/01/2019 07:38:12
...if I can add..., "cutting edge science that works, has tech applications we have yet to realise".
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 11/01/2019 07:51:17
Many of the great discoveries of last century in science as technology came through in the context of the veil of war, in that it was some time before the public realised how in fact the science behind something worked. Einstein presented his ideas as theories, and many sought ways to prove or disprove his theories. Can that type of "new theory" process work again today, or are we so very protective of taking a technological advantage that the best scientific ideas are closely guarded secrets until a domination of the technological applications of that new science can be established first before released to the public?
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 11/01/2019 07:54:02
So, regarding my topic, if science can be a step ahead, we would know about the theory first, and if it can't its because of people and politics preventing that from happening owing to security concerns and those tech issues.
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 11/01/2019 07:57:00
Centuries ago it was about faith, whether a science accorded with a belief system, a way of managing the people peacefully. In the absence of faith today, there's the idea of Disneyland. I'm not suggesting that faith and Disneyland are the same thing, I'm suggesting that there are blocks that keep science, real science, at bay. And if that is true, what does anyone think about that?
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 11/01/2019 08:08:53
To provide my angle here, I think the time of trying to be first with a technology to dominate by keeping the science a secret is over. If anything, the amount of work an agency could put into developing a science and technology, to then present an apparent "lead" will always be counter-productive owing to people adapting "very" quickly in this new communication-immediate world, and back-engineering. In fact, evidence exists that economies that try to be the fastest and first to develop a technology always suffer financially for their efforts....because those efforts are always quickly superseded by savvy back-engineering.
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 11/01/2019 08:35:36
I really think science should be like football.

I think in the future all the new ideas in science on the new gravity-understood platform will be.....it will be a transparent game of rules and playing within those rules, the world over, for our own safety, to prevent global conflict.
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 11/01/2019 09:26:28
Anciently, football was taken very seriously:

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/meso-american-baseball

How today we can use science and technology as a game of speed and strategy everyone plays without blowing our planet up would be up to us.
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 11/01/2019 09:28:49
In looking at that future, of science being in step with humanity, we're beyond this planet and using the gravitational technology to not die, number 1, and demonstrate we can last the longest in not dying, number 2, and number 3, to provide something inspirational to humanity to keep the game going.
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 11/01/2019 09:33:41
I really think science should be like football.
Full of overpaid prima donnas following rules set in 1863.
Well, it's an unorthodox suggestion.
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 11/01/2019 09:42:13
We're on the same page; thought about that, but managing a football side is knowing how to play the game....puts science in the cockpit though....more risk with science and tech in a global match I'm thinking. Some would say that's what we do already yet the public never hears about that game.
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 11/01/2019 09:45:28
Football has rules of play, and yet the players can develop "new moves" upon the basic rule of the platform of the game. In football, we don't want a brawl.
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 11/01/2019 09:54:55
We are at our best when we know what to operate on:


Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 11/01/2019 10:04:52
Can science be denied a try because the public can't see it, because its too important for national security?

Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: opportunity on 11/01/2019 10:39:07
US football is different.

A lot of rules, not as free-flowing.

Good at umpiring if umpiring is transparent globally:



(watch on youtube click...tzz)
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: Kryptid on 11/01/2019 17:14:13
In looking at that future, of science being in step with humanity, we're beyond this planet and using the gravitational technology to not die, number 1, and demonstrate we can last the longest in not dying, number 2, and number 3, to provide something inspirational to humanity to keep the game going.

What gravitational technology?
Title: Re: Can science as theory be a step ahead of people, of politics?
Post by: Bored chemist on 11/01/2019 17:34:41
Opportunity seems to have mistaken this for a blog.